Tendu is a hardworking , struggling cricketer. He is not a genius like Lara to unfurl wizard like strokes. So Tendu's runs are not going to be attractive. By hook or crook he is getting runs. We have to bite the bullet and watch his batting. As long as the runs come it doesn't matter. Infact if i need to take TV breaks i do it when Tendulkar is on strike.
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You have clearly only started watching cricket in the last few years if you think Sachin does not have a variety of strokes or was ever interesting to watch.
If you are talking only about current form you are right but whats interesting is many of his slow grafting innings are resulting in more team victories than when he used to have a very high strike rate in tests. So whatever matters for the team is more important than elegant strokes.
Looks like sachin can never win either ways. If he scores at a higher rate, well its not a match winning innings as team loses, he is selfish, cant see the team through, etc.
If he is cautious, does not want to expose the tail, does what the team wants, well he is boring and clearly over the hill
Karthik said afterwards that there was a nick.12thMan said:
From Cricinfo - Facing the press at the end of the day, he looked shattered. "I think I batted very well" he said, in a completely resigned tone. Even the umpire escaped criticism (despite the snickometer showing no nick): "there was a small nick, there is no doubt about that".
http://content-eap.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/story/306170.html
This is a weird one. There appeared to be no nick based on either snicko or super-slow motion replay.
indiafan said:You have clearly only started watching cricket in the last few years if you think Sachin does not have a variety of strokes or was ever interesting to watch.
If you are talking only about current form you are right but whats interesting is many of his slow grafting innings are resulting in more team victories than when he used to have a very high strike rate in tests. So whatever matters for the team is more important than elegant strokes.
Looks like sachin can never win either ways. If he scores at a higher rate, well its not a match winning innings as team loses, he is selfish, cant see the team through, etc.
If he is cautious, does not want to expose the tail, does what the team wants, well he is boring and clearly over the hill
I am tired of this repeated supporting theory "Sachin can never win either ways". Come on dude. Do people criticize Dravid like they do against Sachin? Was Sachin criticized 3 or 4 years back? No. I am only talking about current form. Lara till the end of his career showed the ability to pull off absolute blinder of an innings. Kaneria will attest to that claim. Tendulkar was a dominating force until very early 2000. After that he is reduced to just a run machine. You don't watch his innings with awe. It's just another praveen amre type of innings. Laborious, hardworking innings.
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jackal786 said:
Well if you are talking about recent form, I agree with you. I misinterpreted your post as questioning his talents. I believe Sachin still has the ability to play a blinder of an innings and this can be seen in the first class local matches he plays but is intentionaly curbing it for some reason of his own.
I always believed Lara was under much lesser pressure than sachin throughout his career because he was a West Indian and not an Indian and never needed to curb his natural instincts.
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If it had been taken then India would probably be 6 down for around 300 and England would have a very good chance of bowling them out for about 370, which arguably would not even be a par score on this pitch. So maybe that claim isn't so far from the truth.
Tendulkar's innings was rubbish. Some of the posts on here genuinely amuse me. It wasnt 'gutty, gutsy, fighting it out for the country, methodical, eating up time'...sorry it was just rubbish. Nothing to it whatsoever. It was like watching a tailender apply himself, except Kumble would have scored more runs off 150 balls than Tendulkar did.
He takes blows because he has dropped down a few classes in batting, and he isn't good enough against short pitched bowling anymore - it is not done for the reason that, as some seem to suggest, to make the Indian batting lineup look tough. IT WAS A RUBBISH INNINGS. 40 off 150 balls would be a barely acceptable effort on a minefield from the so-called world's best player, but this is a belter.
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Yes I agree Yesterday he did not play in his typical style as we all know .. rather cautious and the intent is to Hang in there and make sure to put up big score rather than go for flashy strokes, and get out early.
His innings yesterday was to hang in there.. which he did. Currently the runs is that matters
His innings yesterday was to hang in there.. which he did. Currently the runs is that matters
In whole England is getting more luck favoured test match....Whippy said:
Taking a wicket of a player who is not palying well is not a big deal! That to because of ur team mistake he survived.
If U assume ur team has taken the catch of tendulkar (as per ur view a rubbish inning by him), u must also account the misjudgment given to dinesh and Ganguly( those two playing so fluently..., English media also wont count this).. In this case we would have surely get an 500+ first inning total meantime England bowlers would have been sent all over the park...
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Whippy said:
So Sachin's inning yesterday was like tailender applying himself?
It wasn't tough to figure out Sachin is batting as per the game plan of holding one end up, allowing others strokeplayers to play around him.
For heaven's sake stop comparing this Sachin with the one that played in 90s. Injuries, age has taken a toll over him and all of us do accept it. If you really like watching player epitomizing grit and resolve then current Sachin is a player for you. He is a perfect example of how to play when most circumstances are against you. It must be amusing for you that even with this approach he's managing to get MOMs and MOS awards.
Seems some of people here are watching too much of 20-20 cricket.
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MIB said:
... and why not? He's a big wicket ... playing the role of "the wall" on this tour!
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I think the argument is based on a false premise: that the english media are hyping the miss to say that if the catch had been taken they would win the match.
They are making a big deal out of the dropped catch because they have woken up to Prior's poor keeping. Such defects were easy to overlooked when he was getting easy runs against the windies and the team was winning, but now many are calling for the return of Read.
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Clearly you dont visit PP that often
Usually not the actual match commenties that are taking place.
Personally I would have nothing against MOYO making a slow century if it was for the betterment of Pakistan.
Yes people like to see score quick hundred but sometimes it doesn't work like that. Tendulker said at his last tour match at Chelmsford he wasn't going to play the hook shot. So banging it in short he either took it on his body or let ot go. MOYO did something very similar at Lords in 2006 as well.
I wish we took the attitude against S.Africa and we may have even come out with a draw out of that series.
95.2 Anderson to Laxman, FOUR!!, touch short of good length delivery outside the off stump, steep bounce on that occasion, Laxman stands tall and stabs it to extra cover for four, excellent timing on that occasion, he has this God gifted timing with him!!!
seems Laxman will overtake sachin
seems Laxman will overtake sachin
dinakar said:seems players have been strictly warned their verbal game, because it is quite silent out there in the middlebit more noise is allowed I guess
Yup, Atherton mentioned that Vaughan and Moores spoke to Prior before the match started and told him to calm down.
Seems like it has a knock on effect on his performance as well.
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Prior has been awful behind the stumps
VVS Laxman* 50(67)No no this is just normal. Prior is worse than Geraint Jones at keeping. When he got called up to the team i said he would be the new Gojo but luckily for him he bullied the West Indies with the bat and looked good. Truth is he is only in the side because Moores loves him.dinakar said:
I repeat - Chris Read!
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How much longer will he be persisted with? If he's in the team for his batting then I expect he will be found out in S.L. Murali will just toy with him. I can't believe Nixon was shown the door. Read was a bad enough decision but Nixon hadn't put a step wrong.Rob H said:
Now I remember this....
Prior to dhoni when he is in middle “Yuvraj is batting excellently in the nets mate”
simillarly to Karthick " “Dhoni won’t have played that shot mate”
In a single match HERO becomes ZERO
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Expecting Dhoni to Prior "If you could keep as well as you can talk, you’d have been in the team for the next Test Series instead of Chris Read
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Prior to dhoni when he is in middle “Yuvraj is batting excellently in the nets mate”
simillarly to Karthick " “Dhoni won’t have played that shot mate”
In a single match HERO becomes ZERO
) ) )Expecting Dhoni to Prior "If you could keep as well as you can talk, you’d have been in the team for the next Test Series instead of Chris Read
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Prior has had a stinker thus far in this game. Hes truning out to be all mouth and no action in this series!
Monty Panesar is into the attack for the first time today
109.1 Panesar to Dhoni, FOUR!!, Panesar starts off with a lowish full toss on the stumps, Dhoni gets right behind the line of the ball and smacks it straight down the ground, back past Panesar for four, that is his way of saying welcome!!!
109.1 Panesar to Dhoni, FOUR!!, Panesar starts off with a lowish full toss on the stumps, Dhoni gets right behind the line of the ball and smacks it straight down the ground, back past Panesar for four, that is his way of saying welcome!!!
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India 389/5 now.. they should be aiming for 500+
England need a wicket to open tail and maybe bowl india out for 450-70
England need a wicket to open tail and maybe bowl india out for 450-70
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Looks like Dhoni is in cow lashing mode today! (Excuse the pun lol)
112.4 Anderson to Tendulkar, FOUR!!, full again, angling into the right hander this time, Tendulkar comes on the frontfoot, shows the full face of the bat and drives it straight down the ground, that is a beautiful shot, trademark Tendulkar straight drive!!!
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England need to try and run thru the tail here and maybe 450 all out would be a good comeback! Dhoni is key to india getting 500 here now...
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One of the worst 1st innings knocks at The Oval in recent memory comes to an end.
Time to rip out the last few wickets if we want to stay in the game.
Time to rip out the last few wickets if we want to stay in the game.
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Still no hundreds by an indianbatsmen in the series here... then again they wont care if they win the series.
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Close call. A good over from Anderson.
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Well we have well and trully ****ed this game up.
To make matters worse, Prior seems hell bent on doing a Kamran Akmal impression.
To make matters worse, Prior seems hell bent on doing a Kamran Akmal impression.
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Still in 1st session, We are scoring at 5.10 R/Over .. 429/6 ...Good run rate ....
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Feel bad for SRT even though he was slow, some of his shots were just divine, looked very much like the shots of the old SRT.. Too badd he missed out, hopefully he will turn it into big ones in OZ..
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Thanks for the welcome back message. Started a new internship at the UNFPA......working 6 days a week now so have less time to come here.
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I think all 3 results are still possible but 9 games out of 10 this would be a draw or an Indian win. There's just that 1/10 where something special could happen...and we have done it before.
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I'm not going to jump the gun too early .. but i would like to see this ENGLAND team WHIPPed 
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Whippy said:
I wouldn't say we are out of it at all.
But when we bat we cannot afford to mope around. We have to get on with it and score at a good run rate and get as close to India as possible, followed by a second innings Indian collapse.
India had the luck in the 1st Test and that was very crucial.
that is the positive I would take.. usually Indian innings are one man heroics, one day it is Tendulkar then the next day it is Dravid then someone else. contrasting, in this series we see an equal contribution from everyone and collectively making a good total.. I feel this will be (or should be) the pattern for future.. after Sachin and Dravid retire we won't be having a "Batting Idol" and at the moment no one seems to be elevated to that status..Amjid Javed said:
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Dhoni races to 41 .... He will be the key on how quickly we could score runs ...
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what score is it now
128.6 Tremlett to Dhoni, FOUR!!, Dhoni goes berserk, short of length delivery outside the off stump, Dhoni goes on the backfoot and smashes it to extra cover for four, another cut shot and this time infront of the square region, excellent over this for the Indians, Tremlett taken to the cleaners!!!
128.5 Tremlett to Dhoni, FOUR!!, short of length delivery outside the off stump, slanting into the right hander, Dhoni goes on the backfoot and cracks it to deep backward point for four, that went racing away again, he has put on his skating shoes!!! he is on fire!!!
128.5 Tremlett to Dhoni, FOUR!!, short of length delivery outside the off stump, slanting into the right hander, Dhoni goes on the backfoot and cracks it to deep backward point for four, that went racing away again, he has put on his skating shoes!!! he is on fire!!!
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Dhoni on fire here....
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BBC Live text...
Vaughan looks as if he's just been told that he can't go and play golf with his mates because he's got to pick up his mother-in-law from the airport. []
Vaughan looks as if he's just been told that he can't go and play golf with his mates because he's got to pick up his mother-in-law from the airport. [
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The way I see it, we have kicked ass for years at home so in these last 2 tests, it's about time someone started kicking our ases.
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