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Azhar
Shan (hafeez with 2 lives in the 1st innings and a duck in the second wont be anywhere near my 11)
Younis
Babar
Misbah *
Shafiq
Sarfraz +
Hasan Ali (if Rahat bowls bad again in the second innings, otherwise happy with Rahat)
Wahab
Amir
Yasir

I would add Usama Mir for the next series or even the upcoming ODIs, he has impressed us all including Arthur
 
Vote for 2nd Test: M. Hafeez, Shan Masood or Babar Azam and Sami Aslam?

Just pick one combination! In other words do you go in with the same openers, or do you bring in Babar Azam and untested but talented Sami Aslam?

Babar Azam has done well enough in the ongoing A tour to be promoted to the national team. In fact, He should've been picked for the international team. On the other hand, Sami Aslam is one of the few upcoming batsman who has been rated highly by just about everyone.

Do you go with M. Hafeez who has yet to cross a score of 50 in the last 6 innings (including practice matches). His highest score is 40 so far. And Shan Masood should be the face of mediocrity as his domestic record suggests.

I know I would at the least bring Babar Azam in the place of Hafeez without thinking twice.
 
I don't want a repeat of nasir jamshed, neither of this two are ready for forgien tests yet
 
Babar shouldnt open in Tests but he can play in the middle order with Azhar opening. Sami should make his debut in UAE, wont survive here.
 
Hafeez and Azhar opening is the best for business. I don't think Sami is ready. Would rather debut Babar that too at 5 or 6 and not hold the results against him too much since debuting outside your comfort zone is always tough.

Also I'm going to play Rizwan as well. yk is trash these days. At least Rizu will show intent vs pace.

Time for promoting Shafiq has come. His days playing below inferior batsmen like YK and Mibah are done, he is 30 ffs nor 12 years old to be hiding in the lower order.

So,

1) Hafeez
2) Azhar
3) Shafiq
4) Misbah*
5) Babar
6) Rizwan
7) Sarfraz +
8) Yasir
9) Amir
10) Hasan
11) Wahab

Stronger tail this time. Yasir has done good, Hasan can bat, Amir is improving somewhat. We got dis.
 
Highly doubt Hasan is going to be called into the squad let alone the playing eleven.
 
Suggestion: England playing XI for second Test

For second Test @ old Trafford Manchester, expecting a bit more seaming condition and lively track, following is my suggested playing XI.

Moeen out & Root will do part time spin
Anderson In & Finn out
Stokes In & Moeen out

COOK
HALES
ROOT
VINCE
BALLANCE
BAIRSTOW
STOKES
WOAKES
BROAD
ANDERSON
BALL

If any solid batsman available, may replace Vince but no idea who is in radar of selectors.
 
Stokes and Anderson in; Moeen and Ball out.

Finn should get another game. He has more pedigree than Ball and should be allowed another chance to find his form. If not, Ball can replace him for the remaining two Tests.
 
Yeah Stokes in for Moen as Moen will be rubbish vs Pak batsmen and Stokes is a better bat too.
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes and Anderson in; Moeen and Ball out.

Finn should get another game. He has more pedigree than Ball and should be allowed another chance to find his form. If not, Ball can replace him for the remaining two Tests.
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I am unsure about Finn fitness. He was struggling with knee
 
What will the XIs be for the next match.

As it say in the title what do you guy think will be the Staring 11 for the next match for both teams.

England have some serious question marks hanging over half the team.

Hales- not a test opener.
Vince- hasn't been able to replace James Taylor.
M Ali- Terrible shot to get out in 2nd innings.
Finn- did he do anything in this match?
Bairstow- could be played as a batsman- dropping too many catches.

1-Cook
2-Hales
3-root
4-Vince
5-ballance
6-Bairstow
7-Stokes
8-Woakes
9-rashid
10-broad
11-Anderson.

Pakistan will most likely go for the same 11.
 
England will be a much stronger side with the comeback of Anderson and Stokes.

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What changes and improvements would you like to see from Pakistan for the 2nd test?

Firstly, congratulations to everyone. A victory is a victory; and what a feeling it is.

This was a box office test match no doubt. Rebirth of Aamer, Yasir Shah's old school leg spin, Asad's Moyo esque batting and Bearded Misbah's 100 was a delight to see.

From a neutral's perspective, crowd was well supportive towards Aamer and good cricket. Pakistan PR (ie Misbah's celebration, team's celebration, dedication to Edhi) was icing on the cake. Style and Swag.

However, let's analyse this game. And, evidently; short term and long term issues remain. Likely Pak won't make any changes; but what changes would you like to see for the 2nd test? Would you make any tactical changes? Personally, i'd like to see Azhar Ali bowl, and assist Yasir Shah.

Discuss.
 
I think we need to bat a tad more aggressively in the next Test. Azhar Ali needs a good game next Test if we are to avoid defeat.
 
I think we need to drop Hafeez and bring in Babar Azam. Azhar to open with Babar at one down.
 
Depends on the pitch...there is supposedly a case for playing two spinners...and if not two spinners, then certainly azhar needs to practice bowling in the nets.
Hard call to leave anyone out tbh....all the pacers have done their job in bits. we might just see an unchanged side.
 
there is rain expected in the next game.. i think it gonna be a washout
 
Opening combo needs to be changed, also Azhar needs to improve his batting at number 3 as well.

Also our seamers will need to bowl better with new ball at old trafford.
 
I don't think team will change. Don't think they change it after winning this test. Batting is suspect especially the openers. Hafeez is an walking wicket.

Btw. next match Hafeez can bowl(If I am not wrong)

Stokes and Anderson will come in next for Ball and Finn, so it will be even more difficult to dimiss England.
 
Same team. Babar should join the team after the third Test when the A tour ends
 
The bowling shouldn't be changed, though a right-arm pacer can be handy for English leftis (& Yasir).

In batting, MoHa should stay in the team, but he should bat down the order; at least at 3, if not 5.

Ideally, they should drop one of YK or Shaan for Babar; but I don't think changing winning combination would be accepted. May be, IF THE WICKET IS BROWN, PAK can play Iftekhar in place of Shaan.
 
MMHS said:
The bowling shouldn't be changed, though a right-arm pacer can be handy for English leftis (& Yasir).

In batting, MoHa should stay in the team, but he should bat down the order; at least at 3, if not 5.

Ideally, they should drop one of YK or Shaan for Babar; but I don't think changing winning combination would be accepted. May be, IF THE WICKET IS BROWN, PAK can play Iftekhar in place of Shaan.
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only "injury" is going to allow changes in this team.
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes and Anderson in; Moeen and Ball out.

Finn should get another game. He has more pedigree than Ball and should be allowed another chance to find his form. If not, Ball can replace him for the remaining two Tests.
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I don't think it'll work like that, Ball's just had one test. It's unfair to drop someone after one test, in which he was not the worst performer anyway. It's got to be Finn who's dropped, for me. Ball has won the call-up and deserves at least three or four opportunities to show what he's got.
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes and Anderson in; Moeen and Ball out.

Finn should get another game. He has more pedigree than Ball and should be allowed another chance to find his form. If not, Ball can replace him for the remaining two Tests.
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They are not going to drop Moeen. It's Finn who will be dropped for Stokes.
 
Not much change, though I'd be tempted to swap out Riaz for Imran. Would get better control, more variety with a right armer.

England I think need to drop Moeen for Stokes, Finn for Anderson and Ball for Rashid.
 
Finisher said:
As it say in the title what do you guy think will be the Staring 11 for the next match for both teams.

England have some serious question marks hanging over half the team.

Hales- not a test opener.
Vince- hasn't been able to replace James Taylor.
M Ali- Terrible shot to get out in 2nd innings.
Finn- did he do anything in this match?
Bairstow- could be played as a batsman- dropping too many catches.

1-Cook
2-Hales
3-root
4-Vince
5-ballance
6-Bairstow
7-Stokes
8-Woakes
9-rashid
10-broad
11-Anderson.

Pakistan will most likely go for the same 11.
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exactly the same as i expect these changes below and still they bat down deep...

anderson in for finn
stokes in for ball (as woakes turned out to be a frontline bowler)
rashid in for moeen (as moeen doesnt bring that much into the batting)...

as far as pak problems in the upcoming matches will be to face swing from both ends with anderson and woakes. also facing a frontline spinner in rashid...moreover when pak bowl, they will find some hard time removing bairstow, stokes and woakes with the old ball... these three lower order batsmen will make some good 150 runs collectively which will be the difference eventually i reckon
 
Pakistan should go with the same line up or at max bring in some one else for Masood.. Though I don't think there is any suitable replacement for him atm?

England should bring in Stokes and Anderson.. don't think they will drop Moeen for next one maybe if he fails in next test also then they would probably replace him.
 
No change for us

as useless as Hafeez/Shan are, don't think anyone else is going to do better

Bowling will be the same too after today's performance, Riaz Shah Rahat Amir

England will go with

7 Stokes
8 Woakes
9 Broad
10 Anderson
11 Finn/Rashid

their bowling will improve, but don't think there will be much of a difference in their batting with Stokes coming in for Ali
 
Would be shocked if Rashid didn't at least get called up to the squad to give the England batsmen a leggie to face in the nets with Matt Parkinson probably also acting as a net bowler.
 
Well, given this could be Hafeez's last test match, I would urge him to tear in to Anderson and Broad. He doesn't have the pedigree to be successful, but if he comes off, Pakistan will win this series.
I hate his presence in the test team but I feel a soft spot for him after this test match because he took a good catch and was generous to acknowledge the attention of fans.
A more mundane reason would be his chancy 40 in the first innings
 
Changes for 2nd Test?

A great victory today, just fantastic:)

There are people who say that a winning combo should not be disturbed but there are also people who look for improvement despite a good win.

Openers are a big worry, especially with Jimmy coming back for poms. Do we have any other opener than Sami Aslam in the team? I do not want to expose him against Jimmy and Co but he can be no worse than Masood and Hafeez so maybe take the risk?

I know Misbah will not open with Azhar Ali, but it would have been nice to call up Babar Azam, let Azhar open and play Younis one down and Babar at 4. Babar can also bowl a bit. But that is maybe to much of changings?

Rahat and Riaz are also a worry, they just leak too many runs allthough Rahat took 3 important wickets in second innings . Sohail Khan can also bat so he could be an option. Imran Khan is also good with new ball.

Some tough decisions ahead for team management?
 
No changes for now.

For England, Andersen and Stokes should come in for Finn and Vince (?) or maybe Moeen?
 
Knowing Misbah he will never change a winning team.

But I would certainly get mr consistent IK in. We can not allow Eng to score at 6 again and wait for Yasir. I would have promoted Azhar as well, but knowing Pak that isnt going to happen, yet.
 
Azhar should open instead of Hafeez. Get Mohamed Rizwan in at #3 as he plays pacers well. Also Wahab should be replaced by IK Jr or SK.
 
I will say don't change anything,Wahab will be dangerous with his pace and bounce.
Hafeez is a good backfoot player and may score quick 50 which we will desperately need.



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Yaasir said:
Azhar should open instead of Hafeez. Get Mohamed Rizwan in at #3 as he plays pacers well. Also Wahab should be replaced by IK Jr or SK.
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I wouldn't drop wahab for the bounciest pitch in england tbh
 
Since it's nearly impossible that Misbah will drop Hafeez, move him down to 5-6 and he will actually score a couple of 50s.
 
The only possible change I see is IK coming for Rahat. I know Rahat took 3 wickets in the second innings but he was a four an over bowler so Misbah might want a bit more control in the second test. The batting, who do you bring in? Sami Aslam wont replace the openers yet.
 
Idk about England but Pakistan should go with an unchanged XI unless someone gets injured.
 
PakHammer said:
The only possible change I see is IK coming for Rahat. I know Rahat took 3 wickets in the second innings but he was a four an over bowler so Misbah might want a bit more control in the second test. The batting, who do you bring in? Sami Aslam wont replace the openers yet.
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The ot pitch should seam around for rahat at James anderson's hunting ground

It won't probably won't spin much though
 
Azhar has to be dropped , and Sami Aslam be played .

If the pitch is dry go with another spinner
 
We (England) are about to step up a couple of gears.

Jimmy Anderson will obviously replace Jake Ball, and Ben Stokes will replace Steven Finn.

It's important for Pakistan not to remain prisoners of their original selection.

We were all told that Babar Azam was playing in England with the A team to keep him active and exposed to English conditions in case he was required during this series. It is therefore insanity to refuse to consider him on the basis that he isn't in the squad.

Babar Azam really should replace Shan Masood. There is no hope for him.

I'd like to see Hasan Ali replace Rahat Ali too. The tail is too long and you need the variation provided by a right-arm quick bowler.

We all know what Misbah is like - there will be no changes. And the batting will fail, and 1-0 will become 1-1.
 
I think it's possible Lords will be Pak's only Test win, but if Azhar Ali doesn't perform then Pakistan is in trouble because England WILL get better

There is no way in hell Babar makes his Test debut in England after Pakistan won the first Test, even if I really think he could do as well as Shaan Masood.
 
A right armer and a change at the top are paramount. Yasir's performance in this test match was unexpected and out of the blue without which Pakistan might have lost considering that their one dimensional pace attack was average and leaky for most of the game, one of Sohail or Imran need to be included for Manchester.
 
It's our norm that we dont change team if we win the match, though a very weird one :) But i seriously want 2 changes, or at least one change. Bring Sami Aslam or Rizwan instead of Hafeez, this should be a change.

If talking about bowling, IK should play.

But nothing is going to happen.
 
hopefully team is not relax mood now and in high spirit to do better for rest of series.

givs us atleast one more win from rest of 3 matches
 
Keep the same 11, we have a tour game after this test so we can give Sami Aslam, Rizwan etc a chance
 
What would you change for the 2nd Test at OT?

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I'm wondering if Pakistan will make a change or two for the 2nd Test.

Myself I would have a right-arm quickie come in for Rahat. I know he got 3 players out in the 2nd innings but was wayward in his 1st spell and is a horrible fielder and tailender to boot.

Wahab at least showed he can bowl with aggression but his batting has deteriorated so much so he's become a liability lower down.

The other issue are the openers. And unless we get Babar Azam or someone else from the Pak A squad in now, I can't see them changing the top 2 for the OT Test.

Maybe having Azhar Ali open may help but I don't know how permanent that option could be...

Anyway what's your thoughts guys/gals?
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Same team will play :-)

Unless there is an unforeseen injury resulting in a change.

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I might even play Zulifi with the anticipated dryness of the OT pitch.

Playing 3 pacers might not be a wise decision.
 
Lol At some of the suggestions

You want to changed winning combination with untested players lol
 
I personally want Azhar to open, with Asad at 3 and Rizwan slotting in at 6. I want Shan dropped but it's unfair to drop him after one game on the tour...
 
A winning team will not be changed.

However, I would love to see Azhar Ali bowl more often. I also think Babar as a late order batsmen would be handy; lets not forget he can ball as well.
 
I would try and bring in IK for rahat but would be happy to play the same team. Azhar is overdue a big score.

But worried about Anderson. Somehow we need to get big runs on the board. I expect eng to win the next one.
 
If Pak want to experiment with batting positions, it should be done in WI series
Not in middle of important away series vs England
Why u want to disturb batting position of players (specially Asad) when they are set in their roles.
 
England should drop Vince and Finn and go with...
Cook, Hales, Root, Ballance, Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes, Ali, Broad, Ball, Anderson
 
#GreenRoars said:
It's our norm that we dont change team if we win the match, though a very weird one :) But i seriously want 2 changes, or at least one change. Bring Sami Aslam or Rizwan instead of Hafeez, this should be a change.

If talking about bowling, IK should play.

But nothing is going to happen.
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These are best pacers we have, Imran and Sohail are not better than Rahat or Amir. Wahab is best reverse swing bowler and will keep giving you terror spells, which is very important variety. It will be stupid of Pakistan to change bowling, it's not the problem.

Problem is top order, and it's so bad that nothing can be done. Max they can do is change one opener with Sami but even that is throwing the dice.

Next wicket will have more pace in nip in first day, it will be greener. Winning toss is very important. If Pakistan keep winning tosses that give us very good chance to win test. Pakistan has its own strength and variety in attack. Winning toss means we are allowed to exploit conditions first, like we did in last game. If next game is green mambas, well Amir and Rahat can have England 4/5 down by Lunch, that is hard recovery point. Both teams are pretty equally match, if you loss behind too much, it's hard to catch up. Plus Pakistan will always bowl better in second innings with Yasir and reverse swing.

In batting Hafeez, Shan are big problems but there is no solution in next 4 days... You cannot have Babar or any opener from A team, that's wishful thinking... The only adjustment they can do is let Azhar open and play Hafeez at one or lower down. Hafeez still can give you runs down the order but cannot play new ball. But Pakistan is not know for making bold moves specially in batting,all players are very insecure and selfish, they worry about their spot a lot, who can blame them with the talent they possess.



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1. James Anderson at Old Trafford

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Anderson's best bowling performance at Old Trafford came 8 years ago from 23rd to 26th May 2008.

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2. Stuart Broad at Old Trafford

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Broad's best bowling performance at Old Trafford came 2 years ago against India from 7th to 9th August 2014.

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Both Anderson's aswell as Broad's overall bowling statistics at Old Trafford aren't as good as they have been at many other places. Furthermore its summer so juicy pitches are very difficult to prepare. Also England do not have a Bowler like Harmison these days with neither that sort of bounce nor pace which destroyed us 10 years ago.



This is a Golden Oppurtunity for Pakistan.


If Hafeez, Younis, Amir & Yasir fire than we certainly can beat England at Old Trafford. If we can do that InshaAllah for which we have to play our A+ test cricket than last Test wicket of Oval will also suit us.


This is an Oppurtunity of Lifetime for Pakistan Cricket Team to beat England in England in a Test Series and if we can do that that It will be our biggest Achievement in Test Cricket in last 69 years and it will make Misbah our greatest ever Captain inshaAllah.
It won't be easy but it is certainly possible.


# Go Green Team Go
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
1. James Anderson at Old Trafford

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Anderson's best bowling performance at Old Trafford came 8 years ago from 23rd to 26th May 2008.

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2. Stuart Broad at Old Trafford

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Broad's best bowling performance at Old Trafford came 2 years ago against India from 7th to 9th August 2014.

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Both Anderson's aswell as Broad's overall bowling statistics at Old Trafford aren't as good as they have been at many other places. Furthermore its summer so juicy pitches are very difficult to prepare. Also England do not have a Bowler like Harmison these days with neither that sort of bounce nor pace which destroyed us 10 years ago.



This is a Golden Oppurtunity for Pakistan.


If Hafeez, Younis, Amir & Yasir fire than we certainly can beat England at Old Trafford. If we can do that InshaAllah for which we have to play our A+ test cricket than last Test wicket of Oval will also suit us.


This is an Oppurtunity of Lifetime for Pakistan Cricket Team to beat England in England in a Test Series and if we can do that that It will be our biggest Achievement in Test Cricket in last 69 years and it will make Misbah our greatest ever Captain inshaAllah.
It won't be easy but it is certainly possible.


# Go Green Team Go
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Thanks once again for digging this up!! - Did they play Australia or SA at old traford, in last two years?

Toss is very important for Pakistan, weather wicket is green or on flatter side, it gives us 20/30% advantage to exploit conditions... And we can take advantage of our strong bowling unit.

I bet if we win every toss in next three games, we will definitely win one more test if not more. Teams are pretty evenly balance, toss win by touring team like us help us long to compete... Type of wicket does not matter, we have all basis covered[emoji317][emoji317][emoji317]


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#GreenRoars said:
It's our norm that we dont change team if we win the match, though a very weird one :) But i seriously want 2 changes, or at least one change. Bring Sami Aslam or Rizwan instead of Hafeez, this should be a change.

If talking about bowling, IK should play.

But nothing is going to happen.
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Yar Roary who will you drop for IK in the bowling department ?? Yasir won us the game, Amir can't be dropped - too good a player, That Riaz spell was unbelievable and Rahat got those three important scalps in the beginning.

We can't play IK as of now :(


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yasir said:
Thanks once again for digging this up!! - Did they play Australia or SA at old traford, in last two years?

Toss is very important for Pakistan, weather wicket is green or on flatter side, it gives us 20/30% advantage to exploit conditions... And we can take advantage of our strong bowling unit.

I bet if we win every toss in next three games, we will definitely win one more test if not more. Teams are pretty evenly balance, toss win by touring team like us help us long to compete... Type of wicket does not matter, we have all basis covered[emoji317][emoji317][emoji317]


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JazaakAllah. You're Welcome.

Yes they have against Australia only. Both weren't productive at all.


1. James Anderson

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2. Stuart Broad

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And Yes Bhaee it was a drawn game.

Australia batted first and posted 500 plus with Clarke scoring 187.

http://m.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/566934.html
 
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