England vs India | 4th Test | Manchester | July 23-27 | Pre-Match Discussion

[Cricket Warrior]

After a thrilling 22-run win in the 3rd Test, England have taken a 2-1 lead in the five-match series against India. The action now shifts to Old Trafford, Manchester, where the 4th Test will be played from July 23 to 27. England will be eager to carry their momentum and secure the series with a game to spare, while India will be desperate to bounce back and push the contest into a decider.

The Manchester pitch is expected to offer assistance to seamers, which could influence both teams' bowling combinations. England's pace attack has been impressive, but they may consider rotation to manage workloads. India, on the other hand, might reassess their batting order and explore changes in the bowling department to counter England's dominance. However, it will be interesting to see whether they rest Bumrah as part of their rotation policy or play him in a second consecutive Test.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumrah should play. There is a week gap here.

Siraj can be rested but the series is on line so let’s see. India don’t have any other option so stay with same team.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah should play. There is a week gap here.

Siraj can be rested but the series is on line so let’s see. India don’t have any other option so stay with same team.

Bumrah said 1,3 and 5

 

[Vikram1989]

Bumrah should play. There is a week gap here.

Siraj can be rested but the series is on line so let’s see. India don’t have any other option so stay with same team.

Nair should go and sai in.Nair does not have any technique to survive or score at 3 .no need to play himfor charity.
Kuldeep should play instead of siraj as pitches are becoming quite slow in second innings . we need wicket taking options against eng ftb and lower order. Again our dropped catches and lower order runs are the culprit. Manchester may be a batting track.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nasser said India should have been 3-0. Blamed the poor fielding and losing of crucial moments. As an English fan sahred "We won just 4 sessions in the sereis but we are leading 2-1". That is how it is. Hope this young team shows some maturity in the next game instead of playing T20.

 

[sindhiboy]

India have been the better team this series so far and deserved to be leading 2-1, they crumbled under pressure in key moments.

Big news for India is their main player, bashir, is out of the series, he was serving up pies and over a 100 runs every innings for India. Atkinson is probably gonna come back as well.
Now that England's bowling will be at full strength, they will not give India the chances they did in these first 3 tests.
I will be surprised if India come back from now. Gill ignited the England team, they are gonna continue playing with the same intensity.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India have been the better team this series so far and deserved to be leading 2-1, they crumbled under pressure in key moments.

Big news for India is their main player, bashir, is out of the series, he was serving up pies and over a 100 runs every innings for India. Atkinson is probably gonna come back as well.
Now that England's bowling will be at full strength, they will not give India the chances they did in these first 3 tests.
I will be surprised if India come back from now. Gill ignited the England team, they are gonna continue playing with the same intensity.

Indian bowling is not a well oiled unit they are not used to slope and different conditions. These guys have slogged in county for long know how to bowl. Also they are stronger and fitter. Still India outbowled them and outbatted them that too without Bumrah in one match



BOWLING

England 55 wickets 42.60 avge 69.5 strike rate
India 55 wickets 36.85 avge 56.1 strike rate

BATTING

England 1945 runs 35.36 avge 5 centuries 7 fifties
India 2295 runs 40.98 avge 8 centuries 8 fifties

If you striclty look at top 7 batting performance both teams

TOP 7 BATTING

England 1730 runs 44.35 avge 5 centuries 6 fifties
India 2161 runs 55.41 avge 8 centuries 8 fifties


It is utterly bizzarre to be 1-2 down despite outbowling and outbatting them.

The real difference is taill They average 13.43 India 7.88


And another difference Extras

In the final test England conceded 30 extras. India conceded 63 extras

 

[Vikram1989]

I see last 3 matches at manchester are run feasts.its really interesting to see what type of pitch will be served. Indian team should be more assertive than waiting for mistakes/last minute .

 

[jnaveen1980]

I see last 3 matches at manchester are run feasts.its really interesting to see what type of pitch will be served. Indian team should be more assertive than waiting for mistakes/last minute .

New captain, new coach combo will take a while. Gill has not captained anywhere except IPL. So he has to learn to deal with ups and downs. He has to make sure his batting doesn't get impacted by captaincy.

 

[sweep_shot]

India have been the better team this series so far and deserved to be leading 2-1, they crumbled under pressure in key moments.

Big news for India is their main player, bashir, is out of the series, he was serving up pies and over a 100 runs every innings for India. Atkinson is probably gonna come back as well.
Now that England's bowling will be at full strength, they will not give India the chances they did in these first 3 tests.
I will be surprised if India come back from now. Gill ignited the England team, they are gonna continue playing with the same intensity.

Disagree. England have been the better team and that's why they are leading 2-1.

Actually, England should've been 2-0 now instead of 2-1. They botched it up during 2nd Test.

 

[sweep_shot]

Hoping and rooting for a 3-1 English lead.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Stokes lauds Archer as gut feeling delivers dividends

England captain full of praise for returning fast bowler in crucial Lord's victory over India, six years to the day of 2019 Cricket World Cup Super Over heroics.

England Test captain Ben Stokes says a look back to his side's 2019 Cricket World Cup success was the catalyst for throwing Jofra Archer the ball to turn the tide in England's vital victory over India on Monday at Lord's.

Playing in his first Test since 2021, Archer showed no signs of the numerous injuries that have hampered him, claiming combined match figures of 5/105 through a mix of hostility, intimdation and tactical nous.

And it seemed fitting for the 30-year-old to deliver again, six years to the day from his Super Over heroics in England's 2019 ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Final victory over New Zealand.

After being belted down the ground by an advancing Rishabh Pant, an attempt to set the tone of the day in the visitors' favour, Archer hit back by beating the wicket-keeper/batter's defences for just nine.

He then followed up with a sharp return catch to dismiss Washington Sundar (0), a player with a penchant for fourth innings heroics, to curtail the India heist.

In the press conference after victory, Stokes said he had a feeling Archer would be the man to make the difference early.

"Part of the reason I went with Jof this morning (was the Cricket World Cup 2019 Final), six years ago now to the day.

"He played a major role and I had a feeling he'd do something special and crack the game open. (I had) a bit of discussion, Brydon (Carse) had an amazing spell (on day four), but I had a gut feeling that Jof's going to do something in his first game back."

It's been a long road back for Archer, who has been troubled by a series of back and elbow problems from 2021 to 2024, and continuing his rehabilitation gradually through domestic action and white-ball cricket over the last 12 months.

Speaking to Sky Sports after play, Archer felt the hard work off the field made the victory even sweeter.

"A lot of rehab, a lot of training but it's moments like this that make everything worth it," Archer said.

"I feel the hardest part is playing cricket for the last year and a half, and then still having training, talking about workloads, and 'bowl today, don't bowl tomorrow', stuff like that.

"That would probably be the hardest part, because some days you think that you're ready, but you never know if you're ready or not until you do it. But the safer way is the best way. So I'm not too fussed. This surely, surely is worth it."

His first wicket of the Test, in which he found a Yashasvi Jaiswal outside edge claimed by Harry Brook, sparked celebrations for a vocal Lord's crowd and teammates eager to catch the impassioned fast bowler.

Archer picks up two wickets for england during the Champions Trophy in 2025

The emotion seeped out of Archer in his celebrations across the Test, and the fast bowler admitted there was extra motivation to perform.

"It was a long journey. I can't tell you the amount keyboard warriors that I had to put up with for the last three to four years as well.

"I told myself that I was gonna try my best not to be (emotional) and when he (Jaiswal) nicked it, and it went to Brooky.

"The joy, the whole crowd, the Long Room yesterday, I've never seen it like that ever in my life. So it's just moments like this that made the rehab all so much worth it."

With England adding a further 12 World Test Championship points and going 2-1 up in the five Test series, the attention of the two teams turns to Manchester, with the fourth Test beginning on July 23.

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[BunnyRabbit]

Atkinson and Cook should come in Woakes and Bashir.

 

[Vikram1989]

New captain, new coach combo will take a while. Gill has not captained anywhere except IPL. So he has to learn to deal with ups and downs. He has to make sure his batting doesn't get impacted by captaincy.

Previously there used to be a situation analysis or strategy analysis for the captians , coaches to analyse the situation and reason out their decisions. Am not sure are they happening now at franchise or country level.Atleast present coach and captain combo is better than earlier one.

 

[BouncerGuy]

India should drop Nair and bring any other guy in. He will not be as bad as Nair has been.

Also Arshdeep should get a game.

 

[mominsaigol]

India should drop Nair and bring any other guy in. He will not be as bad as Nair has been.

Also Arshdeep should get a game.

Think he will, the shan masood experiment is likely over

 

[Romali_rotti]

India should drop Nair and bring any other guy in. He will not be as bad as Nair has been.

Also Arshdeep should get a game.

I would drop Nair and prompt Reddy to go up the order and take his place...

 

[mominsaigol]

I would drop Nair and prompt Reddy to go up the order and take his place...

Jamie Smith has been avg 103 in this series. Even more then Gill who's avg 101. What do you have to say for yourself.

Let's see you talk your way out of this one.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Bumrah should play so England can wrap up the series

indian top 3 bar Rahul are a big issue

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Old Trafford always takes Spin so I presume either jack Leach or liam Dawson will come in for Bashir. Or could Stokes and Maccullum Thrown in Farhan Ahmed in the deep end. 17 year old younger brother of Rihan, he's without doubt the most talented young spinner in county cricket. Starring for both his County side and The England Lions. His selection to the full Mens side is only a matter of time.

 

[Devadwal]

Dropped Nair and play Sai / Jurel . Arshdeep has to be play

Bumrah, Arshdeep and Siraj/ akashdeep are likely Pacers.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Jamie Smith has been avg 103 in this series. Even more then Gill who's avg 101. What do you have to say for yourself.

Let's see you talk your way out of this one.

What do I have to say ?

Well what I have said for a while now kid: Jamie Smith is the only replacement for AG

 

[mominsaigol]

What do I have to say ?

Well what I have said for a while now kid: Jamie Smith is the only replacement for AG

Ofcourse he is? He is a generational talent and a goat keeper who will be viewed in the same tier as gilly once he retires.

Although gilly's final century will always put him > anyone in odi.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Ofcourse he is? He is a generational talent and a goat keeper who will be viewed in the same tier as gilly once he retires.

Although gilly's final century will always put him > anyone in odi.

I see,

 

[BDfanforever]

Can't really blame Ind tails after their heroics. The real difference is that Gill has made a lot of useless runs this series. If you take just one of his innings away, he becomes 35 avg player.

 

[RidiculousMan]

If India wants to win. They need to play this.

1. KL
2. Jaiswal
3. Sudarshan
4. Gill
5. Karun
6. Pant
7. Ready / Jadeja
8. Kuldeep
9. Arshdeep
10. Bumrah
11. Siraj

I'm giving Bumrah one last chance

 

[followed]

India the zimbabwe's record before this match
11 matches
Lost -8
Won-2
Draw-1
No matter how much delusional arrogant Indian clown players and fans try to make their team look good

India is a mediocre team with mediocre players.
After this test the lead should be 3-1

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Old Trafford always takes Spin so I presume either jack Leach or liam Dawson will come in for Bashir. Or could Stokes and Maccullum Thrown in Farhan Ahmed in the deep end. 17 year old younger brother of Rihan, he's without doubt the most talented young spinner in county cricket. Starring for both his County side and The England Lions. His selection to the full Mens side is only a matter of time.

Selecting Farhan at this stage would be risky even for Stokes and Mccullum. I am thinking they will go for Dawson. Leach is out of the picture.

 

[Rajdeep]

Can't really blame Ind tails after their heroics. The real difference is that Gill has made a lot of useless runs this series. If you take just one of his innings away, he becomes 35 avg player.

India won the second test on which Gill scored those runs. How exactly they were useless?

 

[mominsaigol]

If India wants to win. They need to play this.

1. KL
2. Jaiswal
3. Sudarshan
4. Gill
5. Karun
6. Pant
7. Ready / Jadeja
8. Kuldeep
9. Arshdeep
10. Bumrah
11. Siraj

I'm giving Bumrah one last chance

Bumrah wont play the 4th test. He shot himself in the foot when he stated 1-3-5 before the toss of the 2nd test.

He will pull the same antic for the 4th test aka trying to make england guess as to whether he will play or not bit it wont matter.

England will keep the same batting lineup for all 5 tests.

 

[Romali_rotti]

India can bounce back in the next match, get rid of Nair and move Reddy to no.3. Reddy has a solid technique and plays straight will come good imo.

I don't know much about this Sudharshan kid, might as well give him a go in place of Nair.

Stay with the same bowlers, Indians somehow would need to win the toss and bat. ENG has been lucky with the toss so far winning all 3 of them, their only mistake was that they sent India to bat first on the second test and as a result they lost the match....

 

[mominsaigol]

India can bounce back in the next match, get rid of Nair and move Reddy to no.3. Reddy has a solid technique and plays straight will come good imo.

I don't know much about this Sudharshan kid, might as well give him a go in place of Nair.

Stay with the same bowlers, Indians somehow would need to win the toss and bat. ENG has been lucky with the toss so far winning all 3 of them, their only mistake was that they sent India to bat first on the second test and as a result they lost the match....

You want a 24 avg fc batter and 28 avg test batter to play at no 3 which is the 2nd hardest position to play in after opening?

. Nair still avg 42 in test and 48 in fc despite 3 failures in a row now. Hilarious take.

Said has played 1 game batting at no 3. Despite a weaker fc avg then nair he is the most suitable replacement as he is still leagues and leagues > reddy as a batter.

I have not seen Sai bat much, but I do know he cant possibly worse then a 24 avg batsmen who Mr Rahim > Gilly now wants to give him the iconic no 3 position that the great dravid once occupied.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You want a 24 avg fc batter and 28 avg test batter to play at no 3 which is the 2nd hardest position to play in after opening?

. Nair still avg 42 in test and 48 in fc despite 3 failures in a row now. Hilarious take.

Said has played 1 game batting at no 3. Despite a weaker fc avg then nair he is the most suitable replacement as he is still leagues and leagues > reddy as a batter.

I have not seen Sai bat much, but I do know he cant possibly worse then a 24 avg batsmen who Mr Rahim > Gilly now wants to give him the iconic no 3 position that the great dravid once occupied.

Reddy's 100 vs Aus in Melbourne is worth more than Karun Nair's entire career. Kid will come good, needs to be persisted lad is only 22 and can bowl, so the other bowlers can take a breather..

Nair offers just about zero at this point, much rather lose with Reddy than win with Nair.

Mushy will always be ahead of AG, Nangin all the way

 

[RidiculousMan]

Bumrah wont play the 4th test. He shot himself in the foot when he stated 1-3-5 before the toss of the 2nd test.

He will pull the same antic for the 4th test aka trying to make england guess as to whether he will play or not bit it wont matter.

England will keep the same batting lineup for all 5 tests.

He will be playing the next Test because it's too important for India. If they lose. They will lose the series.

Besides there's a 10 day gap now. They will cite that as sufficient enough rest for Bumrah.

 

[mominsaigol]

Reddy's 100 vs Aus in Melbourne is worth more than Karun Nair's entire career. Kid will come good, needs to be persisted lad is only 22 and can bowl, so the other bowlers can take a breather..

Nair offers just about zero at this point, much rather lose with Reddy than win with Nair.

Mushy will always be ahead of AG, Nangin all the way

Their is a huge difference between a 24-28 avg player scoring a 100 lower down the order vs a 24-28 avg player scoring at no 3 woth a very high likelihood that he will probs be forced to play against the new ball which he is unequipped for unless he has already settled well at the crease for 40-50 runs before the 2nd new ball is taken.

By this logic Karun Nair has a 300? Something Reddy will never achieve or wont achieve for a while? What kind of logic is this.

You replace a no 3 for a no 3 unless you are completely out of options and are facing a talent crises like Australia is atm hence green having to bat at 3 and khawaja still opening despite being a walking corpse.

Sai is a no 3. His record is worse then karun but it is 100x > Reddy in fc. Karun failing does warrant a drop i agree but you

A) Replace him for Sai (1st option)

B) Bring gill back at no 3 as gill is a FTB in test and will perform at any number if the pitch is flat and will likely fail 7 out of 10x at any number if the pitch is has something in it. With everyone else moving one or 2 spots > excluding pant who has to stay at the same no cause he is a keeper.

Thankfully Ghambir despite being an incompetent coach isnt that stupid to believe a 24 avg batter will replace his fortunes.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Their is a huge difference between a 24-28 avg player scoring a 100 lower down the order vs a 24-28 avg player scoring at no 3 woth a very high likelihood that he will probs be forced to play against the new ball which he is unequipped for unless he has already settled well at the crease for 40-50 runs before the 2nd new ball is taken.

By this logic Karun Nair has a 300? Something Reddy will never achieve or wont achieve for a while? What kind of logic is this.

You always persist with promising young talent, don't write the the player off that easy, yeah there will be growing pains, gotta show patience and persist till its sure the prospect is a failure.

Reddy all day over >>>> Nair....

 

[mominsaigol]

You always persist with promising young talent, don't write the the player off that easy, yeah there will be growing pains, gotta show patience and persist till its sure the prospect is a failure.

Reddy all day over >>>> Nair....

Promising Young Talent? This guy has 0 List A centuries and a joke List A record, a joke local t20 record, a joke odi record and a joke test record barring one good innings?

No one is repeat no one views him as a Promising young Top order batsmen. They view him as a promising young allrounder.

His stats as a batsmen alone are clown worthy, his overall stats as an allrounder are good hence why he made it into the team.

Giving him no 3 is hilarious. Also wdym by young?

Aren't jaiswal, Gill, Sai still young? Sai is only 1 year older then reddy and unlike reddy he is an actual young top order batsmen while reddy is a young lower order allrounder.

 

[Ball Blazer]

England Men name squad for 4th Rothesay Test against India, Liam Dawson added

The England Men’s selection panel has added Hampshire spinner Liam Dawson to the squad for the Rothesay Fourth Test match against India at Emirates Old Trafford.

The slow left-armer replaces Somerset spinner Shoaib Bashir, who sustained a broken finger during England’s third Test victory over India at Lord’s.

The 35-year-old Dawson last played Test cricket for England in July 2017 and will be looking to add to his three caps. He has been a consistent performer for Hampshire over several years and was named PCA Player of the Year in 2023 and 2024, respectively.

England Men's National Selector, Luke Wright, said: "Liam Dawson deserves his call-up. He has been in outstanding form in the County Championship and consistently puts in strong performances for Hampshire."

Seam bowlers Sam Cook and Jamie Overton have returned to their respective counties to play in the County Championship.

England Men's squad for 4th Rothesay Test
Ben Stokes (Durham) – Captain
Jofra Archer (Sussex)
Gus Atkinson (Surrey)
Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire)
Harry Brook (Yorkshire)
Brydon Carse (Durham)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Liam Dawson (Hampshire)
Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Joe Root (Yorkshire)
Jamie Smith (Surrey)
Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire)
Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)

Source: https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/4305825

 

[mominsaigol]

England Men name squad for 4th Rothesay Test against India, Liam Dawson added

The England Men’s selection panel has added Hampshire spinner Liam Dawson to the squad for the Rothesay Fourth Test match against India at Emirates Old Trafford.

The slow left-armer replaces Somerset spinner Shoaib Bashir, who sustained a broken finger during England’s third Test victory over India at Lord’s.

The 35-year-old Dawson last played Test cricket for England in July 2017 and will be looking to add to his three caps. He has been a consistent performer for Hampshire over several years and was named PCA Player of the Year in 2023 and 2024, respectively.

England Men's National Selector, Luke Wright, said: "Liam Dawson deserves his call-up. He has been in outstanding form in the County Championship and consistently puts in strong performances for Hampshire."

Seam bowlers Sam Cook and Jamie Overton have returned to their respective counties to play in the County Championship.

England Men's squad for 4th Rothesay Test
Ben Stokes (Durham) – Captain
Jofra Archer (Sussex)
Gus Atkinson (Surrey)
Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire)
Harry Brook (Yorkshire)
Brydon Carse (Durham)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Liam Dawson (Hampshire)
Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Joe Root (Yorkshire)
Jamie Smith (Surrey)
Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire)
Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)

Source: https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/4305825

I knew they were never going to drop Crawley.

The top 7 are booked

 

[Romali_rotti]

Promising Young Talent? This guy has 0 List A centuries and a joke List A record, a joke local t20 record, a joke odi record and a joke test record barring one good innings?

No one is repeat no one views him as a Promising young Top order batsmen. They view him as a promising young allrounder.

His stats as a batsmen alone are clown worthy, his overall stats as an allrounder are good hence why he made it into the team.

Giving him no 3 is hilarious. Also wdym by young?

Aren't jaiswal, Gill, Sai still young? Sai is only 1 year older then reddy and unlike reddy he is an actual young top order batsmen while reddy is a young lower order allrounder.

The 100 in Aus at the G showed Reddy’s talent, gotta persist with the kid, I don't give 2 hoots about his FC record, he showed he can play at the biggest stage and No to Nair.

I don't know much about Sudhashan to comment, I would bring him in and let him bat where Reddy is batting now and Reddy bat where Nair is at.

Nothing hilarious about giving Reddy a go at no.3, this is a young side that is finding their identity, experiment all the way I say

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Even if you wanna go that route, I would rather ask Jadeja to bat at three cos he seems to be in form and as we have seen he has the technique to play against the new ball too. He is coming down in the order as a result of which he isn’t even able to play a complete innings, either he goes not out or gets out while slogging cos he is batting with tailenders.

Sai would be the apt replacement though.

India can bounce back in the next match, get rid of Nair and move Reddy to no.3. Reddy has a solid technique and plays straight will come good imo.

I don't know much about this Sudharshan kid, might as well give him a go in place of Nair.

Stay with the same bowlers, Indians somehow would need to win the toss and bat. ENG has been lucky with the toss so far winning all 3 of them, their only mistake was that they sent India to bat first on the second test and as a result they lost the match....

 

[Romali_rotti]

Even if you wanna go that route, I would rather ask Jadeja to bat at three cos he seems to be in form and as we have seen he has the technique to play against the new ball too. He is coming down in the order as a result of which he isn’t even able to play a complete innings, either he goes not out or gets out while slogging cos he is batting with tailenders.

Sai would be the apt replacement though.

Keep Jadeja where he is, solid insurance with him there. Experiment no 3 with Reddy, Laxman only came into his own after coming in at 4 vs Aus till then he was just an avg player against top teams.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag @Rajdeep @Devadwal @Sachin fan @uppercut your team will lose again LOL. FTB Gill won't cross 50.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Keep Jadeja where he is, solid insurance with him there. Experiment no 3 with Reddy, Laxman only came into his own after coming in at 4 vs Aus till then he was just an avg player against top teams.

Wont happen bro, Sai Sudarshan is a solid prospect and he is technically stronger than Gill let alone Reddy.

Indian TM has high hopes from him, if you are looking for a Laxman, then Sai is someone who can get there, not Reddy.

One thing I would want Indian TM to do is to ask Reddy to bat with aggression, he isn’t someone who can block it out.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Wont happen bro, Sai Sudarshan is a solid prospect and he is technically stronger than Gill let alone Reddy.

Indian TM has high hopes from him, if you are looking for a Laxman, then Sai is someone who can get there, not Reddy.

One thing I would want Indian TM to do is to ask Reddy to bat with aggression, he isn’t someone who can block it out.

Sai is another useless hype by @mominsaigol he will get his dreams shattered.

 

[mominsaigol]

The 100 in Aus at the G showed Reddy’s talent, gotta persist with the kid, I don't give 2 hoots about his FC record, he showed he can play at the biggest stage and No to Nair.

I don't know much about Sudhashan to comment, I would bring him in and let him bat where Reddy is batting now and Reddy bat where Nair is at.

Nothing hilarious about giving Reddy a go at no.3, this is a young side that is finding their identity, experiment all the way I say

Lmao, So Jamie Smith an actual wk batter who has immense talent and has the potential to reach the heights of Gilly which QDK did reach in Odi barring that 2007 century is a stretch and you decided to troll with rahim

Yet here you are doing upping the hypothetical Ante to 100 .

What hypocrisy is this?

 

[mominsaigol]

Sai is another useless hype by @mominsaigol he will get his dreams shattered.

I dont even hype sai.

 

[Mobashir]

Nasser said India should have been 3-0. Blamed the poor fielding and losing of crucial moments. As an English fan sahred "We won just 4 sessions in the sereis but we are leading 2-1". That is how it is. Hope this young team shows some maturity in the next game instead of playing T20.

Yes India should have been 3-0 up here and won 5-0 in Australia.
Indian fans and players are both delusional. It's normal Washington says these kind of things when the fans are like you.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lmao, So Jamie Smith an actual wk batter who has immense talent and has the potential to reach the heights of Gilly which QDK did reach in Odi barring that 2007 century is a stretch and you decided to troll with rahim

Yet here you are doing upping the hypothetical Ante to 100 .

What hypocrisy is this?

I don't agree kid Mushy rahim though, that boy all over Jamie Smith and AG .

 

[Mobashir]

Indian bowling is not a well oiled unit they are not used to slope and different conditions. These guys have slogged in county for long know how to bowl. Also they are stronger and fitter. Still India outbowled them and outbatted them that too without Bumrah in one match



BOWLING

England 55 wickets 42.60 avge 69.5 strike rate
India 55 wickets 36.85 avge 56.1 strike rate

BATTING

England 1945 runs 35.36 avge 5 centuries 7 fifties
India 2295 runs 40.98 avge 8 centuries 8 fifties

If you striclty look at top 7 batting performance both teams

TOP 7 BATTING

England 1730 runs 44.35 avge 5 centuries 6 fifties
India 2161 runs 55.41 avge 8 centuries 8 fifties


It is utterly bizzarre to be 1-2 down despite outbowling and outbatting them.

The real difference is taill They average 13.43 India 7.88


And another difference Extras

In the final test England conceded 30 extras. India conceded 63 extras

Posting stats without understanding the game prooves nothing.

The only reason India won the second test and are not 2-0 down is because England didn't wanted to draw a match and instead went for chasing 600+ in about 100 overs.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Nasser Hussain's analysis on India's chances of comeback:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944800280656204105

 

[RKhan_Cricket]

India won the second test on which Gill scored those runs. How exactly they were useless?

Bro, come on—I love these Gill-type classy players too. We barely have guys like him anymore, especially with T20s now being the main focus for most cricketers. But let’s be real: Gill can pile up 1000 runs on flat decks without breaking a sweat. We’ve all seen that.

The second Test wasn’t about stroke play only—it was also about patience. Who could survive longer, face more overs, and still score? That’s not Bazball's game because they refuse to play defensively and thats how they gave their wickets in 1st innings But that pitch, especially in the 4th innings on fifth day, was offering enough for bowlers, and it played into India’s hands.

Now here’s the problem: the moment the ball moves, even a little—Gill goes missing. That’s been his pattern right from the start of his career. You noticed one thing?Ahmedabad, Delhi in the Windies series, Guwahati, Kolkata for South Africa series—these venues are picked for a reason. Because even against spin, he struggles when it’s not flat.

Honestly, he’s a flat-track bully right now. And you’ll see this in the remaining Tests too. It doesn’t take a minefield to get him out—even a 5% tricky pitch sends him back to the dressing room.

Same goes for Jaiswal to an extent.

There’s only one Indian batter right now who genuinely scares the opposition, who makes me nervous for the other team—and that’s Pant. He’s fearless, chaos in human form.

So my advice? Don’t put all your hopes on Gill becoming something he’s not. Let him be Gill, and you won’t be disappointed. But if you expect him to be the next Sehwag, Dravid, or Kohli, you’re setting yourself up for heartbreak."**

 

[Romali_rotti]

Wont happen bro, Sai Sudarshan is a solid prospect and he is technically stronger than Gill let alone Reddy.

Indian TM has high hopes from him, if you are looking for a Laxman, then Sai is someone who can get there, not Reddy.

One thing I would want Indian TM to do is to ask Reddy to bat with aggression, he isn’t someone who can block it out.

Sudarshan might be more talented than Reddy, but as of now Reddy has earned a stripe with his 100 at the G vs Boland, Starc, Cummins and co so he deserves preference.

We will see how it all pans out, next test, gotta win the toss and bat first to have a shot at making it 2-2...

 

[Ab Fan]

It is not a bad idea to play Jadeja at 3 but it is a short term one. Jadeja is a selfish batter and he can bat for as long as he want if you play him at 3. There is literally no scope of staying not out at 3, which Jadeja has mastered.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sudarshan might be more talented than Reddy, but as of now Reddy has earned a stripe with his 100 at the G vs Boland, Starc, Cummins and co so he deserves preference.

We will see how it all pans out, next test, gotta win the toss and bat first to have a shot at making it 2-2...

Thing with Reddy is that is bowling is non existent and the ton was a good one but may have been a one off. If you have two all rounders like Jaddu and Washington then you can drop him and add firepower elsewhere.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Thing with Reddy is that is bowling is non existent and the ton was a good one but may have been a one off. If you have two all rounders like Jaddu and Washington then you can drop him and add firepower elsewhere.

I like Wash, play him, it wasn't the bowlers that lost the last match it was the top order bats.

Drop Nair bring in Sudharshan and keep the same side, replace Pant with Jurel if he is not fit.

Will come down to the toss whoever wins the toss and bats first has a major advantage imo cuz...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Old Trafford is traditionally a fast bouncy pitch. If this is still true, England will be strong favourites. Indian batters will be dealing with throat balls throughout the test. Batsmen like Pant may well be exposed for their lack of technique. It wont be an IPL, close your eyes and swing deck.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Old Trafford is traditionally a fast bouncy pitch. If this is still true, England will be strong favourites. Indian batters will be dealing with throat balls throughout the test. Batsmen like Pant may well be exposed for their lack of technique. It wont be an IPL, close your eyes and swing deck.

Pant has built his career in Aus where pitches are way more pacy and bouncy than in England. Atleast make an effort in trolling.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Can't really blame Ind tails after their heroics. The real difference is that Gill has made a lot of useless runs this series. If you take just one of his innings away, he becomes 35 avg player.

He has 3 centuries. He failed only in this test. He was the second highest run getter against England in India as well. Helped us win a tricky chase.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Old Trafford is traditionally a fast bouncy pitch. If this is still true, England will be strong favourites. Indian batters will be dealing with throat balls throughout the test. Batsmen like Pant may well be exposed for their lack of technique. It wont be an IPL, close your eyes and swing deck.

I don't think Pant will be fit to play bro.

If he does play and the wicket is bouncy it will suit his style which mirror Adam Gilchrist's game, hooks, pulls and cuts.

Pants 100 in SA facing Rabada, Jansen and co on a seaming deck along with his success in Aus shows he can handle the pace and bounce. His issue is, he has Afridi type moments which ruins his innings...

 

[jnaveen1980]

Jaiswal is increasingly playing rush of blood shots as if he has a point to prove. HE butchered ENgland in India with calculated manner under Dravid. Here he is being overly in T20 mode. Coach has to course correct his attitude.

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't think Pant will be fit to play bro.

If he does play and the wicket is bouncy it will suit his style which mirror Adam Gilchrist's game, hooks, pulls and cuts.

Pants 100 in SA facing Rabada, Jansen and co on a seaming deck along with his success in Aus shows he can handle the pace and bounce. His issue is, he has Afridi type moments which ruins his innings...

Pant is Gilly, Reddy is a no 3 24 Averaging prodigy and Rahim is the greatest wk batter of all time.

My oh my you've made quite a name for yourself.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Pant is Gilly, Reddy is a no 3 24 Averaging prodigy and Rahim is the greatest wk batter of all time.

My oh my you've made quite a name for yourself.

How many times do I have to tell you kid.

Rahim >>>> ,Jamie Smith .

 

[jnaveen1980]

Old Trafford is traditionally a fast bouncy pitch. If this is still true, England will be strong favourites. Indian batters will be dealing with throat balls throughout the test. Batsmen like Pant may well be exposed for their lack of technique. It wont be an IPL, close your eyes and swing deck.

Ya Pant is poor against pace and bounce. but Joe Root, Harry brook are experts against pace and bounce. Do you even watch cricket?

 

[mominsaigol]

How many times do I have to tell you kid.

Rahim >>>> ,Jamie Smith .

Reddy is also a no 3 bro. We should give Ghambir your suggestions.

Infact lets make you the head coach of India and chief selector as well

 

[jnaveen1980]

Posting stats without understanding the game prooves nothing.

The only reason India won the second test and are not 2-0 down is because England didn't wanted to draw a match and instead went for chasing 600+ in about 100 overs.

Nonsense. They didn't go for draws. They all got out defending except Jamie smith. You guys are clutching at straws inventing excuses after excuses trying to run down India. Honestly don't care. That is what we expect your bird brain analysis. Stick with hyping Saim Ayub, Babar azam, Mohammad rizwan.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes India should have been 3-0 up here and won 5-0 in Australia.
Indian fans and players are both delusional. It's normal Washington says these kind of things when the fans are like you.

Nasser is delusional? lol Anyone who has semblance of cricketing brain would see that way. I honestly don't expect that from everyone. So you can keep your opinion to yourself on how you view this. We know how you view. Not inerested knowing that

 

[mominsaigol]

Nonsense. They didn't go for draws. They all got out defending except Jamie smith. You guys are clutching at straws inventing excuses after excuses trying to run down India. Honestly don't care. That is what we expect your bird brain analysis. Stick with hyping Saim Ayub, Babar azam, Mohammad rizwan.

Lol jnaveen sahib exposing his true colors.

An indian is an indian at the end of the day. The fake nice Intellgient and Unbiased stats guru persona drops eventually and they all get exposed as trolls

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pant has built his career in Aus where pitches are way more pacy and bouncy than in England. Atleast make an effort in trolling.

Sure a 95mph Archer was bowling too. Perth is prob the nearest IF Old Trafford is its usual pitch. How many 100's does Pants have in Perth?

Its an opinion, you're on a forum to read others view. Its nearly 24 hrs since you bottled it, stop crying now.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Reddy is also a no 3 bro. We should give Ghambir your suggestions.

Infact lets make you the head coach of India and chief selector as well

Nah kid you the expert.

Much rather you be the batting coach for team India, you got my support.

You are one of those rare ones that can turn a few of the talented Indian bats into Legside Rizwans.

 

[mominsaigol]

Nah kid you the expert.

Much rather you be the batting coach for team India, you got my support.

You are one of those rare ones that can turn a few of the talented Indian bats into Legside Rizwans.

With you as chief selector and head coach, I wouldnt be surprised if you hired me as a batting coach. Mere lyei to pay check hai, Tumharei lyei tabai

 

[Romali_rotti]

With you as chief selector and head coach, I wouldnt be surprised if you hired me as a batting coach. Mere lyei to pay check hai, Tumharei lyei tabai

If I was the selector you would be hired, guaranteed

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't think Pant will be fit to play bro.

If he does play and the wicket is bouncy it will suit his style which mirror Adam Gilchrist's game, hooks, pulls and cuts.

Pants 100 in SA facing Rabada, Jansen and co on a seaming deck along with his success in Aus shows he can handle the pace and bounce. His issue is, he has Afridi type moments which ruins his innings...

Imo he has good hand eye co-ordination but once this fades his technique will be exposed. His feet movement is avg and will eventually struggle badly. His hundred in SA was in capetown, not the quickest or bouncy wicket.

I think India needs proper batsmen with techniques going forward, mixing up sloggers with test players will never see India win the Test Championship. Just my view.

 

[mominsaigol]

If I was the selector you would be hired, guaranteed

Do i get to bat at no 3

 

[Romali_rotti]

Do i get to bat at no 3

Nah you would be the water boy

 

[Romali_rotti]

Imo he has good hand eye co-ordination but once this fades his technique will be exposed. His feet movement is avg and will eventually struggle badly. His hundred in SA was in capetown, not the quickest or bouncy wicket.

I think India needs proper batsmen with techniques going forward, mixing up sloggers with test players will never see India win the Test Championship. Just my view.

Ok fair enough, thing is he does have a solid technique, it's his brian fade that's the issue imo..

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ok fair enough, thing is he does have a solid technique, it's his brian fade that's the issue imo..

Gill 607 runs
Pant 425 runs
Jamie smith 415 runs
KL Rahul 375 runs
Jadeja 327 runs

4 out of top 5 run getters are Indians. SOmehow Indian batsmen have to learn batting technique from pakistan batting wizards.

 

[mominsaigol]

Nah you would be the water boy

I refuse your job offer then.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Most wickets for the series

Siraj 13 wickets 32.00 avge
Bumrah 12 wickets 21.00 avge
Akash Deep 11 wickets 28 avge
Stokes 11 wickets 29.45 avge
Tongue 11 wickets 33.63 avge

 

[RamLakhan]

I think India will not drop Karun Nair and he may play this entire series, because No.3 is a crucial position... If he fails in everything, they may drop him eventually & completely (his chapter will be closed in international cricket). Looking at the way they persisted till 3rd test, I think they will extend it to next tests as well... (OR maybe they will drop him now, because they retained him probably because India won the 2nd match, and they didn't want to change the winning combination much)

Sai Sudarshan may also be under pressure if he is brought in now... He should now justify the replacement immediately. So lets give Sai Sudarshan the next series (maybe against WI at home). They should have decided between Sai & Nair before the 2nd test... Now that they have persisted with Nair, they should complete the cycle. Otherwise it is going to affect both of them.

Karun Nair stays in the team (for future) only if he scores at least 1 century in the remaining 4 innings. That is the minimum requirement he has to meet for getting these many opportunities... We should not be satisfied even if he scores an insignificant/supportive 60 or 70 finally at some point. We should drop him from next series (from the squad).

On the other hand, I want Jadeja to be promoted to No.5 and let Pant take it easy at No.6... (AND if Pant is injured - not sure about his finger injury, and if Jurel replaces him, then definitely Jadeja should come up at No.5) Jadeja (if people have observed) is the most consistent Indian Batsman in tests better than even our top order batsmen! He is proving his worth in almost all conditions (new ball, old ball, seam, swing, pace, bounce, etc, batted well on turners also in the past, now he has excelled in overseas playing better than at home! And its a big sample now - like 3 years)

Jadeja needs some time and he is a kind of accumulator and puts out only the bad balls away, his defence is tight. So if he plays bit higher who knows he may start to contribute even more... Maybe start scoring centuries and become a full-fledged batsman! Since he is not a natural attacker like Pant, he may serve well at No.5. Pant can handle No.6 more effectively (like he did in Gabba and many other heroics), he can attack better and also bat well with the tail. Let Jadeja be a pivot at No.5, helping other batsmen by holding one end and also he is good in running between the wickets, he can rotate strike and accumulate runs through 1s, 2s when the going gets tough... I think its time India swap No.5 & No.6 in this series itself and its going to help...

Finally India may not make much changes may be they will bring in Arshdeep/Prasidh in place of Bumrah (as its already fixed that Bumrah will not play), rest of the team would be same. They would have thought of dropping 1 out of Nitish/Sundar, but since both of them did well in this match, they may retain both...

The more important thing to do now is, Coach should talk to our top order batsmen (everyone) and ask them to be more disciplined and not throw away their wickets... Look to play session by session and look at the match context (especially chasing milestones).

Bowling is alright, in fact it is better than England... (with or without Bumrah)