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England vs India | 5th Test | Oval | July 31-Aug 04 | Match Discussion

Who will win the 5th Test at the Oval?

  • India

    Votes: 8 61.5%

  • England

    Votes: 6 46.2%
  • Total voters
    13
Indians will cry. Indians are losers. Indians should quit. England will chase this easy.

Jaiswal is trash. I back gill. Gill will come good.

- by saqib.rai.saigol
 
So tomorrow would be the final day,
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Hours of play - Day 4.
Morning session: 1100 - 1300
Lunch: 1300 - 1340
Afternoon session: 1340 - 1555
Tea: 1555 - 1615
Evening session: 1615 - 1830
Plus 30 mins extra to complete the 98 overs
 
India are slight favourites.

However, with two full days remaining, this Test could still go either way. Might not go into a 5th day for the first time in this series.
 

Crawley falls late as India take upper hand​


Zak Crawley was dismissed from the penultimate ball of day three after England had started to make steady progress in pursuit of an imposing 374 to win the fifth Test against India at The Oval.

The opener was bowled by Mohammed Siraj for 14 as the hosts reached 50-1 at the close, needing a further 324 runs to win, with Ben Duckett unbeaten on 34 to conclude another gripping day.

Despite Crawley's departure, England will be boosted by the much-improved batting conditions after they spent most of the day in the field as India racked up 396 under brighter skies.

The pitch flattened and offered far less seam movement, with Yashasvi Jaiswal's sublime 118 the highlight for the tourists.

There was also a surprising maiden Test fifty for Akash Deep, who added 107 for the third wicket with Jaiswal as England started poorly, unable to take the wicket of the nightwatchman until the final 10 minutes before lunch.

Deep was put down on 21, one of six dropped catches in the innings for England as their makeshift bowling line-up - without the injured Chris Woakes - toiled admirably but were again let down in the field.

Gus Atkinson pinned captain Shubman Gill lbw for 12 with the first ball after lunch as England improved, but Ravindra Jadeja continued his fine form with 53 and Washington Sundar, with India nine down, blitzed four sixes in a 39-ball fifty to give India the upper hand.

Josh Tongue claimed the final three wickets, having also dismissed Jaiswal earlier, to finish with 5-125 for his wholehearted efforts.

It is fitting that England have another sizeable chase having began the series by chasing 371 at Headingley to ignite a fiery series. Should they win it would be the highest Test chase at The Oval, beating England's 263-9 against Australia in 1902, though there is rain forecast for Sunday.

Source: BBC
 
Ahmed216 said:
Why do you think Atkinson did not play before? Was he injured?
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Because he was unfit. He had just one game? DOn't go by what Aktinson did here. He would have been thrashed in the other matches. Just check his LOI stat against India. Both in ODI and T20 he was destroyed. Pitch helped him a lot . Carse is unlucky not to play on this pitch.
 
Rajdeep said:
@TheSultan bhai left? Maybe gone to prepare for Ashes

:rabada2
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Great preparation for the Ashes. England have tried to set themselves a challenging target.

They may lose 6-7 wickets, hopefully by the time they land down under they could improve to win by 6-6 wickets.

Practice makes perfect
 
Nikhil_cric said:
No. His rehab took longer and he hadn't built up his workload so he also missed the 4th Test to pay a 2nd XI game for Surrey to get some overs under his belt
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Being fast bowler in bazball era is the most thankless job. BEcause they bat fast giving very little rest to their fast bowlers. They get overworked match after match. Eventually they break down.
 
sweep_shot said:
England only have themselves to blame. They dropped 6-7 catches I believe.
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It will be the deciding factor. The bowlers being 1 seamer down did very well. England would be chasing 250 without the dropped catches, and they’d be red hot favourites to achieve that total & win the series 3-1. Chasing 370 is many times harder than 250. India will win.
 
James said:
It will be the deciding factor. The bowlers being 1 seamer down did very well. England would be chasing 250 without the dropped catches, and they’d be red hot favourites to achieve that total & win the series 3-1. Chasing 370 is many times harder than 250. India will win.
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One of the reason India's Gabba win was signiciant not just because collective experience of 5 Indian bowlers was just 3 matches against hazlewood/Starc/cummins/Lyon. but also India was one bowler down within 7 overs of his spell. Atleast woakes bowled 18 overs. India miraculously won it. Sometimes when a player is down others step up. Same happened at the SCG last year. India lost Bumrah very early. India somehow took a lead with 3 bowlers after scoring only 195.
 
James said:
It will be the deciding factor. The bowlers being 1 seamer down did very well. England would be chasing 250 without the dropped catches, and they’d be red hot favourites to achieve that total & win the series 3-1. Chasing 370 is many times harder than 250. India will win.
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Yup.

England should've won the series 4-1 or 4-0, to be honest.

They could've saved the 2nd Test with some sensible batting and should've won the 4th Test.

Anyway, this game is not done yet. Hoping for England to chase it down.
 
sweep_shot said:
England only have themselves to blame. They dropped 6-7 catches I believe.
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And again England or Aus have never beaten full strength India since 2018

Never

Lucky for them Gambo is an idiot and never gets selections right.

The last time Aus bean India in Aus India missed 2 key players.
Lmao
 
kron said:
What about India dropping 9 catches in first test?
Nothing was said then

India should have been up 3 -0 honestly

In rwality

Max 3-1 but last test was a hard fought draw so nha

3-0
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It is always fun to watch fans of these lower ranked teams giving advice to elite teams like England how to bowl, how to field, how to do captaincy. "They should have done this. they should have done that" . They are where they are with their strategies and plans. Last thing they need is "wisdom" from these fans.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It is always fun to watch fans of these lower ranked teams giving advice to elite teams like England how to bowl, how to field, how to do captaincy. "They should have done this. they should have done that" . They are where they are with their strategies and plans. Last thing they need is "wisdom" from these fans.
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They have a right to know how minnows are thinking and discard it.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yup.

England should've won the series 4-1 or 4-0, to be honest.

They could've saved the 2nd Test with some sensible batting and should've won the 4th Test.

Anyway, this game is not done yet. Hoping for England to chase it down.
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I think India deserved to win the second test since they were ahead from day 1. However, Gill's declaration was extremely pathetic, a defensive one, knowing very well that it would rain on Day 5. It did, but fortunately for India, it did not disrupt the game long enough to affect the match's outcome.

450 was more than enough, yet Gill waited for the lead to go beyond 600+, which was unnecessary imo.
 
Credit where it is due.

India has been quite competitive in this series. Every single test has gone to day 5. They could have won the first test. Should NOT have lost the third test (Jaiswal played a really poor shot, which started the rot). And even in this test, they are in with a shout.

2-2 will be a fair result imo
 
AZulfi said:
I think India deserved to win the second test since they were ahead from day 1. However, Gill's declaration was extremely pathetic, a defensive one, knowing very well that it would rain on Day 5. It did, but fortunately for India, it did not disrupt the game long enough to affect the match's outcome.

450 was more than enough, yet Gill waited for the lead to go beyond 600+, which was unnecessary imo.
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Gill wanted the Bazballers to play for a draw, which they are incapable of. Just mind games. Otherwise 420-430 would have been enough.
 
Jaiswal huffing and puffing for his century after 90 was quite disgusting. Kl and pant messed the third test with that perspective. Some one from management team should be really hard on these antics .They should let players know that team is important and winning is only objective.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It is always fun to watch fans of these lower ranked teams giving advice to elite teams like England how to bowl, how to field, how to do captaincy. "They should have done this. they should have done that" . They are where they are with their strategies and plans. Last thing they need is "wisdom" from these fans.
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I still maitain

Neither Australia nor England have beaten full strength India home or away since 2018

Never have

We always had key injuries or we were missing players in crucial games. Always
 
kron said:
Tongue is a good bowler. Very good.
Carse is pretty good too.

Jamie smith is a generational talent
Root is one of the best ever

Archer is a good bowler when fit
Stokes is the best AR of our era along with Jadeja. Both fighters. Slight edge to stokes cause I like fast bowlers more. Personal bias.

Duckett is a top opener of modern era

Crawley plays a good foil.

I am always right. This is a top English side and they would pummel all the great 90s teams inclusive in bazz ball pitches

India with a rookie side and some top talents did quite well and Infact could have been ahead in the series. So credit to the young boys for stepping up vs these bazz balling beasts.

Atkinson is no slouch either on seaming tracks. Good prospect. Although he isn’t rapid like tongue.

Overton got some wheels

Indian quicks all bowled quick except akashdeep.
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Who says that? :ROFLMAO:
 
AZulfi said:
India are slight favourites.

However, with two full days remaining, this Test could still go either way. Might not go into a 5th day for the first time in this series.
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India definitely ahead.

However, time is of no relevance here. The game will be decided tomorrow. No chance for a 5th day
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It is always fun to watch fans of these lower ranked teams giving advice to elite teams like England how to bowl, how to field, how to do captaincy. "They should have done this. they should have done that" . They are where they are with their strategies and plans. Last thing they need is "wisdom" from these fans.
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Got a crazy idea
Open always with akashdeep and siraj or siraj and prasidh

First Change bumrah and yudhvir sing
You don’t know how brutal this attack would be

Bumrah is better off first change cause then siraj will step up if he opens up which he struggles with if bumrah takes charge.
 
RKhan_Cricket said:
First of all injury king Bumrah is not ATG for that he has to play a lot of tests.
Jadeja: Good test player
Washington: yes Definitely future ATG
Pant: yes
GILL : No he doens't have that ATG aura.
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Bumrah has 220 test wickets at avg of 19.5. Most of these games were vs top teams and he has dominated them enough. He has completed 3 tours to Australia, England and South Africa each. That is exactly what greats with 80-90 tests achieve. If we conclude purely based on his bowl avg, he is literally a GOAT. But since you pointed out that he has this workload issues due to back problems, he can’t be rated as highly as his bowl avg suggests. I would put him in same league as Michael Holding and Andy Roberts.

Jadeja is a good test player overseas. But a player career includes both home and away. He is literally a top tier ATG at home. As an overall player, he has case to be an ATG. But for now, I have contend with a term like borderline.

Gill is captaining this team at age of 25 and just hit 4 tons and scored 750 runs. He is a bit of FTB as of now but the hundred he got at Manchester was a high quality one. The series was almost done when he came to bat and guess what as of today, we are still alive in the series. Much of the credit goes to that ton he got at Manchester.
 
Ab Fan said:
Bumrah has 220 test wickets at avg of 19.5. Most of these games were vs top teams and he has dominated them enough. He has completed 3 tours to Australia, England and South Africa each. That is exactly what greats with 80-90 tests achieve. If we conclude purely based on his bowl avg, he is literally a GOAT. But since you pointed out that he has this workload issues due to back problems, he can’t be rated as highly as his bowl avg suggests. I would put him in same league as Michael Holding and Andy Roberts.

Jadeja is a good test player overseas. But a player career included both home and away. He is literally a top tier ATG at home. As an overall player, he has case to be an ATG. But for now, I have contend with a term like borderline.

Gill is captaining this team at age of 25 and just hit 4 tons and scored 750 runs. He is a bit of FTB as of now but the hundred he got at Manchester was a high quality one. The series was almost done when he came to bat and guess what as of today, we are still alive in the series. Much of the credit goes to that ton he got at Manchester.
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19.83
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It is always fun to watch fans of these lower ranked teams giving advice to elite teams like England how to bowl, how to field, how to do captaincy. "They should have done this. they should have done that" . They are where they are with their strategies and plans. Last thing they need is "wisdom" from these fans.
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You mean fans of lower ranked teams don't understand the game? What kind of logic is that?
By that logic not one in a billion understood the game in 90's India
 
Ahmed216 said:
You mean fans of lower ranked teams don't understand the game? What kind of logic is that?
By that logic not one in a billion understood the game in 90's India
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Well i am talking about the fans who has this condescending tone like ENglish management doesn't know anything about cricket only they know about it. Are you one of them? If not that was not for you.
 
Ab Fan said:
Bumrah has 220 test wickets at avg of 19.5. Most of these games were vs top teams and he has dominated them enough. He has completed 3 tours to Australia, England and South Africa each. That is exactly what greats with 80-90 tests achieve. If we conclude purely based on his bowl avg, he is literally a GOAT. But since you pointed out that he has this workload issues due to back problems, he can’t be rated as highly as his bowl avg suggests. I would put him in same league as Michael Holding and Andy Roberts.

Jadeja is a good test player overseas. But a player career includes both home and away. He is literally a top tier ATG at home. As an overall player, he has case to be an ATG. But for now, I have contend with a term like borderline.

Gill is captaining this team at age of 25 and just hit 4 tons and scored 750 runs. He is a bit of FTB as of now but the hundred he got at Manchester was a high quality one. The series was almost done when he came to bat and guess what as of today, we are still alive in the series. Much of the credit goes to that ton he got at Manchester.
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585 of those 754 runs came during the first two tests. Bradman’s record series aggregate of 974 was under threat. However in 6 innings since then Gill has managed just 169 runs @ 28.17
 
AZulfi said:
585 of those 754 runs came during the first two tests. Bradman’s record series aggregate of 974 was under threat. However in 6 innings since then Gill has managed just 169 runs @ 28.17
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Gill averaged 35 before this England tour, he was always a ftb, failed in pressure moments. The knock at Old Trafford shows some progress. Also India playing just one series in SENA(NZ 2026) in next 2 years will certainly help.
 
AZulfi said:
585 of those 754 runs came during the first two tests. Bradman’s record series aggregate of 974 was under threat. However in 6 innings since then Gill has managed just 169 runs @ 28.17
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Including a run out where he was looking good. That woakes dismissal to keeper was a nothing ball. Keeper standing up messed up his mind. We are judging the pitch based on his score not the other way around. Pitch was good bat on mostly. It was just error in judgement. It can happen. He scored 430 runs with a false shot percentage of 3.5%. They started recording this since 2006. No century came at such a low false percentage ever since they started recording.
 
Today is the day every Indian cries, although its nothing new as it is in their genes to cry.

England is winning. Now I challenge every indian to make me shed tears. Win or lose, I am immovable and emotionally unbreakable.

But today yall gonna cry as England take this series 3-1
 
AZulfi said:
585 of those 754 runs came during the first two tests. Bradman’s record series aggregate of 974 was under threat. However in 6 innings since then Gill has managed just 169 runs @ 28.17
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Despite scoring 585 runs in first two tests, result was 1-1. It tells us maybe that it is necessary to score big on a flat track if you want your team to win matches. That’s the ultimate goal. Impact is clearly visible, he needed to score 400+ runs in one test match to win his team a test in this series.
 
Ab Fan said:
Despite scoring 585 runs in first two tests, result was 1-1. It tells us maybe that it is necessary to score big on a flat track if you want your team to win matches. That’s the ultimate goal. Impact is clearly visible, he needed to score 400+ runs in one test match to win his team a test in this series.
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He has been the best batter for india and has outperformed everyone. He was never going to defeat the don but have sone respect.

Far superior to the fraud jadeja
 
Gill has found some success with flat tracks in England and a different position. He averages a whopping 31 against Aus, NZ, RSA, plus WI so far.
 
Mohammed Siraj's yorker to Zak Crawley truly defines his work ethic. Completed 100 wickets in Tests in away games after making his Test Debut in 2020 in Australia.

A true big-hearted cricketer of this generation. DSP Sahab

:kp
 
Ahmed216 said:
You mean fans of lower ranked teams don't understand the game? What kind of logic is that?
By that logic not one in a billion understood the game in 90's India
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Classic Indian logic. LMAO. :yk

I wonder if JNaveen has played any hard ball cricket in his whole life. He seems like an armchair critic.
 
mominsaigol said:
He has been the best batter for india and has outperformed everyone. He was never going to defeat the don but have sone respect.

Far superior to the fraud jadeja
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Jadega is one of the best all-rounder of this generation. Looks like IND already has Sundar lined up to replace him.
 
BDfanforever said:
Jadega is one of the best all-rounder of this generation. Looks like IMD already has Sundar lined up to replace him.
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Both are doing an excellent job for team India otherwise surely India would have dropped one and played a pure batsman in that.

These GenZ like dont understand cricket well and are here to troll only. Veterans like you and me should not bother responding to these trolls.
 
Ab Fan said:
Bumrah has 220 test wickets at avg of 19.5. Most of these games were vs top teams and he has dominated them enough. He has completed 3 tours to Australia, England and South Africa each. That is exactly what greats with 80-90 tests achieve. If we conclude purely based on his bowl avg, he is literally a GOAT. But since you pointed out that he has this workload issues due to back problems, he can’t be rated as highly as his bowl avg suggests. I would put him in same league as Michael Holding and Andy Roberts.

Jadeja is a good test player overseas. But a player career includes both home and away. He is literally a top tier ATG at home. As an overall player, he has case to be an ATG. But for now, I have contend with a term like borderline.

Gill is captaining this team at age of 25 and just hit 4 tons and scored 750 runs. He is a bit of FTB as of now but the hundred he got at Manchester was a high quality one. The series was almost done when he came to bat and guess what as of today, we are still alive in the series. Much of the credit goes to that ton he got at Manchester.
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Agree with your few points but my summary in short is:
Bumrah : his ceiling is GOAT-level, but his sample size is still small to place him among the top 5 pacers ever. Let’s see if he can maintain this for 5 more years. Also his average with time will go up in 20's due to age, injury concerns and his action.
Jadeja: Jadeja is a monster at home, arguably one of the most effective players in those conditions. But the term “ATG” implies global dominance, and while Jadeja has improved overseas (notably in Australia and England), he’s not consistently decisive with either bat or ball away from subcontinent. Has he ever won anything outside of home that too on his own? Except that 4th test draw.
Gill : Gill’s hundred at Manchester was definitely classy. But being captain at 25 and scoring 4 tons doesn’t necessarily elevate him to elite just yet. FTB tag still holds some weight until he starts dominating in tough overseas conditions consistently.
This century helped revive the series, yes—but if we’re using one knock to cement a legacy, it’s premature. Gill’s story is still in Act 2, let’s not write the conclusion yet.
You are acting like a typical Asian fan — gets overly hyped after just one series and starts throwing around GOAT and ATG tags like candy. Calm down, legacies aren't built off recency bias."
 
RKhan_Cricket said:
Agree with your few points but my summary in short is:
Bumrah : his ceiling is GOAT-level, but his sample size is still small to place him among the top 5 pacers ever. Let’s see if he can maintain this for 5 more years. Also his average with time will go up in 20's due to age, injury concerns and his action.
Jadeja: Jadeja is a monster at home, arguably one of the most effective players in those conditions. But the term “ATG” implies global dominance, and while Jadeja has improved overseas (notably in Australia and England), he’s not consistently decisive with either bat or ball away from subcontinent. Has he ever won anything outside of home that too on his own? Except that 4th test draw.
Gill : Gill’s hundred at Manchester was definitely classy. But being captain at 25 and scoring 4 tons doesn’t necessarily elevate him to elite just yet. FTB tag still holds some weight until he starts dominating in tough overseas conditions consistently.
This century helped revive the series, yes—but if we’re using one knock to cement a legacy, it’s premature. Gill’s story is still in Act 2, let’s not write the conclusion yet.
You are acting like a typical Asian fan — gets overly hyped after just one series and starts throwing around GOAT and ATG tags like candy. Calm down, legacies aren't built off recency bias."
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Bumrah is not an ATG-material. He never was.

4-5 years of purple patch doesn't mean one is an ATG.

Real ATGs don't sit out games. They play all games like McGrath, Wasim etc. used to do.

Bumrah is in the same category as Shaun Tait and Shane Bond. They are brittle like Dollar store toys. They are not ATG-types. :inti
 
Ab Fan said:
Both are doing an excellent job for team India otherwise surely India would have dropped one and played a pure batsman in that.

These GenZ like dont understand cricket well and are here to troll only. Veterans like you and me should not bother responding to these trolls.
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Gen Z's are easily the smartest generation. We are the reason the Internet is shaped the way it is today
 
sweep_shot said:
Agree. I think Jadeja is overrated if you consider all factors.

He is primarily a home track bully. The reason why he is doing well in England is because English bowling and fielding have been terrible.
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His bowling is bad in every den excluding India.

He is a decent batter though
 
mominsaigol said:
His bowling is bad in every den excluding India.

He is a decent batter though
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Yes. As a bowler, he is a home track bully (more specifically a spin track bully).

I think England made his batting look good with atrocious fielding and poor bowling. For example, he was dropped on 0 during 4th Test; he went on to score a century.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yes. As a bowler, he is a home track bully (more specifically a spin track bully).

I think England made his batting look good with atrocious fielding and poor bowling. For example, he was dropped on 0 during 4th Test; he went on to score a century.
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I still think Jadeja is a good batter.

I never said anything about Jadeja's batting only bowling in SENA dens which he has once again proven himself to be rubbish at.
 
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