Fakhar Zaman's brilliant 193 in vain as South Africa [341/6] defeat Pakistan [324/9] by 17 runs

[imshally81]

Tough day for both keepers in the middle...

 

[Hasan123]

Where did I say anything about quotas?

Do you seriously think than the likes of Ngidi and Phehlukwayo deserve their places in a SAF odi XI?

53 wickets in 27 ODIs. How does he not deserve his place in ODIs? ) )

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Danish is good....back this guy....

Just ask the opposition not to bowl anything that bounces above his waist

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Not a 341 wicket? More like 270 wicket.

Seems like a 350 + wicket. Even RVD was hitting it around. Wanderers can produce absolute belters. We have seen that since 2006 when Sa chased a record 434 here.

 

[Rayyman]

Asif should be given confidence because we know he has the ability to single handedly chase this down

110* off 70 balls please

 

[Zeshan547]

1. Haris Shoail
2. Sarjeel for odis as well

Nah those two are not good enough to get in this Legendary XI. Atleast that's what our thick tank and Stats gru selector thinks

 

[tauseef_mahmood]

Asif should be given confidence because we know he has the ability to single handedly chase this down

and how do we know it? has he done it ever?

 

[Thanos]

Shadab bats at 6 for Pakistan... Really..Since when did this happen ?

Just what I observed too. 4 wickets down and Shadab is there to bat. How come management hopes this batting line to score 300+ regularly when 300+ score is common nowadays.

 

[imshally81]

Oh lucky

 

[Ab Fan]

Good win for SA. But this remains the weakest SA team of the last 30 years.

If they play their best XI, they will be a top 3 team alongside India and England and ahead of Australia. The best XI is:-

Quinton de kock
Aiden Markram
Van der dussen(c)
AB de Villiers
JP Malan
David Miller
Chris Morris
Wian Mulder
Kagiso Rabada
Anrich Nortje
Lungi Ngidi

 

[Markhor]

Where did I say anything about quotas?

Do you seriously think than the likes of Ngidi and Phehlukwayo deserve their places in a SAF odi XI?

You're implying they're playing because of quotas, yet Phehlukwayo has better numbers than our Faheem with bat and ball. He's a better bat than Pretorius while their bowling numbers are fairly similar. Ngidi averages 22 with the ball in ODIs so what exactly is the issue with them ?

I've no problem with criticising quotas, but it's pretty obvious what your bias is when you repeatedly single black players out for poor performances yet keep mum when white players don't.

Heino Kuhn was one of the poorest Test openers I've seen to tour England in 2017, yet I didn't see folks like yourself note his skin colour.

 

[Titan24]

1. Haris Shoail
2. Sarjeel for odis as well

Haris is one of the most talented batsmen in Pak surely but, his fitness, overall motivation to be best version of himself is what has been disappointing. He still can play some mini gems but, cant score the match winning 100s with his current attitude towards his career.

Sharjeel can come in if he performs in T20s and shows some work towards his fitness.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

and how do we know it? has he done it ever?

He’s done it a few times in street cricket

 

[imshally81]

Thanks God.. Nortje leaving for IPL

 

[Zaz]

Asif Ali is a specialist batsman who doesn’t bat

Baffling really

 

[naseem]

Bounce is troubling

 

[jnaveen1980]

Fakar can use this as a net session for the next match.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Asif Dhoni being held back to finish the chase at the end.

 

[Local.Dada]

SA and Aussie pacers are so much more athletic in the field. In SC be it both India and Pakistan a guy who bowls fast is usually useless with anything else be it bat or fielding.

Look at Nortje attempt that caught and bowled in his full follow through.

 

[tauseef_mahmood]

they are not even trying ..........

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Fakhar seems to have gain some weight.

 

[Zaz]

Why is asif picked if he cant be trusted to bat better than shadab??

 

[tauseef_mahmood]

This is so frustrating . that they just give up. after one or two wicket.

 

[Bigboii]

Fakhar seems to have gain some weight.

Nah... I don't think so looks the same to me

 

[Titan24]

Just ask the opposition not to bowl anything that bounces above his waist

To be honest its tough to come in and adjust to bounce in SA. While he is a professional and he should be better prepared but, I have seen much bigger names failing.

 

[imshally81]

they are not even trying ..........

Because they know... Asif is next
.

 

[Hasan123]

Good win for SA. But this remains the weakest SA team of the last 30 years.

If they play their best XI, they will be a top 3 team alongside India and England and ahead of Australia. The best XI is:-

Quinton de kock
Aiden Markram
Van der dussen(c)
AB de Villiers
JP Malan
David Miller
Chris Morris
Wian Mulder
Kagiso Rabada
Anrich Nortje
Lungi Ngidi

Andile has earned his place in ODIs. AB is never coming back.

Quinton De Kock
JP Malan
Markham . Bavuma will play whilst he is captain though.
Rassie
Miller
Wian Mulder/Kyle Verreynne
Andile Phehlukwayo
Rabada
Norje
Ngidi/Sipamla
Shamsi/A
Mahraj

That can be a good ODI team. PP is full of doom and gloom.

 

[Rayyman]

Why is asif picked if he cant be trusted to bat better than shadab??

Instead of playing a specialist slogger, they could have easily played a specialist batsman like Haider or Abdullah.

 

[Markhor]

For those who kept saying pitch is belter, 300 is par and PAK can chase this down.

There was always going to be a big difference between our guys bowling on this wicket, and Rabada, Nortje and Ngidi bowling on it.

We just don't have tall, hit the deck hard bowlers who can thrive in these conditions. Our guys tend to be skiddy and kiss the seam. That's why Shahnawaz Dhani must be groomed, he bowls a hard length and has a good bouncer. Sadly also very inexperienced.

 

[Titan24]

One off them needs to be aggressive while other can rotate

 

[naseem]

Just imagine if AB still played and there was no quotas....with Malan.....Pretorius...Morris back

 

[Greenstorm]

Fauji fighting it out !

 

[Rayyman]

For those who kept saying pitch is belter, 300 is par and PAK can chase this down.

There was always going to be a big difference between our guys bowling on this wicket, and Rabada, Nortje and Ngidi bowling on it.

We just don't have tall, hit the deck hard bowlers who can thrive in these conditions. Our guys tend to be skiddy and kiss the seam. That's why Shahnawaz Dhani must be groomed, he bowls a hard length and has a good bouncer. Sadly also very inexperienced.

Dhani is a swing bowler, Arshad hits the deck hard

 

[MRSN]

This is so bad that it is sad. I would get ban for using words against Misbah but thus guy should be thrown out of Pak setup as soon as possible.

 

[Local.Dada]

There are some bowlers like Hassan Ali, Rubel Hossein Woakes etc who look slower than their speed guns and then there are bowlers like Lungi and even Faheem actually who look a few miles quicker than their actual speed.

 

[Titan24]

2000 ODI runs for Fakhar.

 

[Local.Dada]

This is so bad that it is sad. I would get ban for using words against Misbah but thus guy should be thrown out of Pak setup as soon as possible.

What exactly will coaching set up change accomplish? Good players like Azam,Shaheen are doing what they do regardless and Misbah can’t bat for the rest. I don’t see any exciting talent being mishandled here.

 

[Rayyman]

Fauji fighting it out !

We were right about Nortje

 

[naseem]

Play shadab as batsman and Qadir as bowler...give danish a go if haider is unfit

 

[imshally81]

Where is the spinner? :fakhar

 

[TheNightWatchman]

I get giving respect to Nortje but ngidi should be taken advantage of before Rabada gets back on

 

[Rayyman]

What exactly will coaching set up change accomplish? Good players like Azam,Shaheen are doing what they do regardless and Misbah can’t bat for the rest. I don’t see any exciting talent being mishandled here.

Tbf Saud and Haris are unfit. They would have played over Danish/Asif easily.

 

[Titan24]

Hopefully Pak goes with its better strength team in the next match with Haider and Hassan back in and maybe Qadir as well

 

[imshally81]

Welcome boundary by Fakhar

 

[Greenstorm]

This quota commentator is so annoying.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

India have Pant to bat at number 5.
England have stokes
Australia have Maxwell.
South Africa have Miller

Meanwhile.. Pakistan have Don Shadab Khan..
You cannot make this stuff up.. What is happening [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

 

[Mesozoic]

Ngidi and Phehlukwayo continue spilling it all over and going at more than 6 RPO

 

[Local.Dada]

Every time I see Zaman, the CT final hurts even more how did we let this guy play an innings of a lifetime

 

[Hasan123]

Shadab batting at 6 and bowling most of his overs despite bowling poorly. Shadab is not getting dropped anytime soon.

 

[MRSN]

What exactly will coaching set up change accomplish? Good players like Azam,Shaheen are doing what they do regardless and Misbah can’t bat for the rest. I don’t see any exciting talent being mishandled here.

Misbah is the reason we are playing Danish instead of Haider and Shadab instead of Qadir. He is also the resson why free riders like Asif keeps getting picked because he was his young age buddy. Also it is sad to see a player like Shadab being promoted ahead of a regular player. This all is due to pathetic decision making of Misbah in this single match and I don't need to list hundreds of other blunders he has made in the past..

 

[Mamoon]

India have Pant to bat at number 5.
England have stokes
Australia have Maxwell.
South Africa have Miller

Meanwhile.. Pakistan have Don Shadab Khan..
You cannot make this stuff up.. What is happening [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

Pakistan me talent bohat hai.

 

[naseem]

Pak should look it as t20....200 odd in last 20.....

 

[Rayyman]

India have Pant to bat at number 5.
England have stokes
Australia have Maxwell.
South Africa have Miller

Meanwhile.. Pakistan have Don Shadab Khan..
You cannot make this stuff up.. What is happening [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

Rizwan would have batted at 5 if Saud wasn’t injured

 

[MRSN]

Hopefully Pak goes with its better strength team in the next match with Haider and Hassan back in and maybe Qadir as well

We all know stubborn Misbah will go with unchanged side.

 

[Ab Fan]

Andile has earned his place in ODIs. AB is never coming back.

Quinton De Kock
JP Malan
Markham . Bavuma will play whilst he is captain though.
Rassie
Miller
Wian Mulder/Kyle Verreynne
Andile Phehlukwayo
Rabada
Norje
Ngidi/Sipamla
Shamsi/A
Mahraj

That can be a good ODI team. PP is full of doom and gloom.

It is a decent mid ranked ODI team. But what I am saying is that if they play their best XI, they would be a top 3 ranked team. Morris is a very good death over bowler and a top bowling all-rounder and I think he is certainly better than Phelukwayo.

Rabada, Nortje and Ngidi are very good but Shamsi is also an average ODI bowler. Bavuma is also an average player and nothing more than a poor man's Rahane.

 

[Ahmed216]

India have Pant to bat at number 5.
England have stokes
Australia have Maxwell.
South Africa have Miller

Meanwhile.. Pakistan have Don Shadab Khan..
You cannot make this stuff up.. What is happening [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

He's batting at 6. U have made this stuff up

 

[Rayyman]

He's batting at 6. U have made this stuff up

Shadab is only batting #6 because there was a little collapse

 

[Ami]

India have Pant to bat at number 5.
England have stokes
Australia have Maxwell.
South Africa have Miller

Meanwhile.. Pakistan have Don Shadab Khan..
You cannot make this stuff up.. What is happening [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

Pakistan have been looking for nos 5 and 6 for god knows how long, whether its T20 Or Odis...let me go thru the list for you...ifti, talat, asif, khushdil, dont forget the legends themselves - malik and hafeez.
So, I wouldnt get cynical with bare cupboard and try anyone that can hold a bat.

 

[Hasan123]

Shaun Pollock asking Ramiz about other options in the squad. Let's see how clued up Ramiz is .

 

[naseem]

Shadab ko khilana hai to batsman khilao....Asif ko maat khilao fir

 

[Mesozoic]

What is Fakhar doing ?

 

[Local.Dada]

Shaun Pollock asking Ramiz about other options in the squad. Let's see how clued up Ramiz is .

The way he said Danish Aziz doesn’t look the part at all, who else you got, was pretty condescending.

Now feeling bad for the kid (assuming he is one)

 

[Markhor]

We don't have hit the deck hard bowlers, inatead we have hit the deck hard batsmen.

This is literally a net practice now.

 

[Hasan123]

It is a decent mid ranked ODI team. But what I am saying is that if they play their best XI, they would be a top 3 ranked team. Morris is a very good death over bowler and a top bowling all-rounder and I think he is certainly better than Phelukwayo.

Rabada, Nortje and Ngidi are very good but Shamsi is also an average ODI bowler. Bavuma is also an average player and nothing more than a poor man's Rahane.

It can compete for the top 4 and beat top teams at home. They beat Australia 3-0 last year.

Morris has not done much in ODIs when he has played and Andile Phehlukwayo has done well with the ball in ODIs. Those are the facts.

Shamsi can be replaced by Mahraj but I think Shamsi will come good. Well Bavuma has started his ODI career well and is captain . So he is not going anywhere.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

He's batting at 6. U have made this stuff up

Shadab is only batting #6 because there was a little collapse

Ah did not count Danish Aziz on the scorecard.
Still it is too high. I have never seen Shadab scoring a lot in ODIs. Has he changed some technique or something ?
Or has he scored some centuries in QEA ?

 

[Ahmed216]

No team can ever chase big totals if their batsmen look to score only through 4's and 6's

 

[King_Kohli]

Hopefully Pak goes with its better strength team in the next match with Haider and Hassan back in and maybe Qadir as well

Next match is easy for you guys.
SA playing with B team.
All key players are leaving for IPL.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

What is Fakhar doing ?

Taking the game deep.

 

[Rayyman]

Ah did not count Danish Aziz on the scorecard.
Still it is too high. I have never seen Shadab scoring a lot in ODIs. Has he changed some technique or something ?
Or has he scored some centuries in QEA ?

No, but Nawaz averaged 50+ in the QEA this year...

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Pakistan have been looking for nos 5 and 6 for god knows how long, whether its T20 Or Odis...let me go thru the list for you...ifti, talat, asif, khushdil, dont forget the legends themselves - malik and hafeez.
So, I wouldnt get cynical with bare cupboard and try anyone that can hold a bat.

Hmm.. Khushdil was promised to be the next finisher but he failed.
Well, 5 and 6 and tricky positions. Pick on decent batter, with solid technique.. and give him a long rope. Shadab/Asif surely are not the answer.

 

[Mamoon]

Sensational stuff by this pair. Kohli and Dhoni must be jealous.

 

[Hasan123]

Fakhar should look to take Shamsi on. SA have 5 main bowling options. Need to try and put 1 of them under pressure.

 

[Ahmed216]

Ah did not count Danish Aziz on the scorecard.
Still it is too high. I have never seen Shadab scoring a lot in ODIs. Has he changed some technique or something ?
Or has he scored some centuries in QEA ?

He should not be in the team. He's no good ...even if set he cannot accelerate. And yes we are playing 2 batsmen short . Danish and asif both average 20 in FC cricket

 

[Indiafan]

Should pick one or two bowlers to target here. Definitely the spinner

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

He should not be in the team. He's no good ...even if set he cannot accelerate. And yes we are playing 2 batsmen short . Danish and asif both average 20 in FC cricket

hmm.. have to say. Appalling team selection and combinations from Babar and Misbah.
Surely Haider Ali can come in at 5 and do much better then these guys.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I just dont understand the logic here.

How on earth can Misbah Pick Asif Ali when he got Haider Ali and Mohammad Hafeez available?

Mind boggling stuff.

 

[Titan24]

Next match is easy for you guys.
SA playing with B team.
All key players are leaving for IPL.

Pak’s middle after order after Babar (Rizwan, Danish, Asif or Haider) has combined experience of less than 60 matches so even on paper Pak isn’t exactly that strong. Also in international cricket rarely any match against a decent side like SA is easy as its not just about the names rather the pressure at this level.

 

[Ab Fan]

It can compete for the top 4 and beat top teams at home. They beat Australia 3-0 last year.

Morris has not done much in ODIs when he has played and Andile Phehlukwayo has done well with the ball in ODIs. Those are the facts.

Shamsi can be replaced by Mahraj but I think Shamsi will come good. Well Bavuma has started his ODI career well and is captain . So he is not going anywhere.

It is currently struggling to beat Pakistan over a series at home and you think they will beat top teams at home consistently.

Their World Cup performance was farcical in 2019 and a home series loss to Sri Lanka is more humiliating than anything else. Bavuma, Van der dussen and Miller are in 30s and this is not a good sign for them.

 

[Local.Dada]

Should pick one or two bowlers to target here. Definitely the spinner

Pakistan team and WI team are most dangerous when they have nothing to lose. That’s why teams don’t take them lightly despite their low rankings which might also be he reason why they don’t get easy wins if you look at it that way.

 

[imshally81]

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