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First Test between India and England ends in a nail-biting draw

Junaids said:
Definitely!

But there's a serious point here. I have said consistently that if England had picked Pietersen and Panesar they would win easily like they did last time they toured India.

But even without them, they are not going to be the pushovers that Australia and South Africa were. The very fact that we produce bowlers like Swann and Panesar and before them Emburey and Edmonds and even Batty means that our own batters get used to playing decent spin at home.
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Do you just not understand that because a player did well in particular conditions some years ago it doesn't mean that he will continue to do well for eternity? Especially considering the said player has his life in a mess and is failing to perform even at domestic level?

Not just Panesar but with a lot of players.

KP I think may still have made runs if he was involved in Tests but Panesar not being in the team is his own doing and certainly there is no case for him
 
MMHS said:
You are exposing yourself - I won't be surprised if some Indian goes under your skin here. You should have checked his stats (Yes, out side home) first.
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not that I agree with Junaids opinion here but isnt Jadeja's record outside Indian (and i guess WI) mediocre to the hilt?
 
Slog said:
not that I agree with Junaids opinion here but isnt Jadeja's record outside Indian (and i guess WI) mediocre to the hilt?
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It's not about record - it's about role. He bowls with outstanding accuracy that chokes the run. Under pressure, he'll not lose his guard (accuracy), but look at the English spinners - even on Rank turner, they they bolted it against BD batsmen.
 
Slog said:
yea but I guess you can make a case that if he was still involved in FC's and not made a pariah by ECB he had utility

But no such case for Panesar or someone like Salman Butt (who he calls Pakistan's GOAT opener)
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For the record, I don't call Salman Butt Pakistan's GOAT opener. I call him Pakistan's GOAT batsman in Australia! :) :) :)

I definitely think that there are some players whose techniques are adapted to certain conditions and who will do well there.

Think of Ijaz Ahmed in Australia or Terry Alderman in England - and Alderman took forty-odd wickets in 1989 in England as soon as he returned from a 3 year ban.

The comments about Panesar are harsh - if you've read George Dobell's article you will know that he has the most serious mental illness of all. But all the same, even if he can't get through a home season, I'm pretty certain that he could do well in Indian conditions. Darren Fletcher has an equally serious physical disease, and he's the captain of Scotland in football.

As for Pietersen, yes, I'm absolutely certain that he'd be doing well in this series.
 
England's W/L ratio against top 7 test sides (No Ban, Zim, Win) in the last five years:

With KP: 0.545
Without KP: 1.363

England's average per wicket and run rate against top 7 sides over the last five years:

With KP: 29.74 @ 2.89
Without KP: 36.19 @ 3.34

I think England are doing OK.
 
Big Mac said:
England's W/L ratio against top 7 test sides (No Ban, Zim, Win) in the last five years:

With KP: 0.545
Without KP: 1.363

England's average per wicket and run rate against top 7 sides over the last five years:

With KP: 29.74 @ 2.89
Without KP: 36.19 @ 3.34

I think England are doing OK.
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actually kp is the most overrated batsman in cricket history. he has played 2 wonderful knocks and most people think he is an atg or aomething else.
 
Rahane gone india 4 down. I want england to win and show how much this indian team is overrated
 
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sajeebmcj said:
actually kp is the most overrated batsman in cricket history. he has played 2 wonderful knocks and most people think he is an atg or aomething else.
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That's very harsh. On form KP was incredibly difficult to bowl to and as would have got into most sides of his generation.

But while we're speaking of overrated, does this generation of Indian batsmen even know how to play spin? Some of these dismissals are ridiculous.
 
-=Umair=- said:
Rahane gone india 4 down. I want england to win and show how much this indian team is overrated
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Who said we're overrated? We're the biggest chokers ever, and can't play modern day spin bowling for nuts.
 
Big Mac said:
That's very harsh. On form KP was incredibly difficult to bowl to and as would have got into most sides of his generation.

But while we're speaking of overrated, does this generation of Indian batsmen even know how to play spin? Some of these dismissals are ridiculous.
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he was a very attacking batsman. he couldn't play attritional cricket. that's why when he was on song, he was difficult to bowl and played some awesome shot. i love watching his batting. but people overrate him.
he played only his peak years. he played only for 8 years. you can't compare with other batsman whose career were or is 12-15 years.
i think he was a 40-45 averaging batsman.
whether he is good or bad, his batting was exciting to watch.
 
So this is India batting last on their wickets :))

What I would give to see them lose it from here.
 
India don't deserve to draw this, hope England get it done.

Well and truly have outplayed the Indians.
 
Surprised to see no over by over analysis of Ashwin's bowling.

Call me disappointed.

Loving the constant appealing by the English :)))

Keep it up lads!
 
INDIA should go with 6 batsmen in the next match. Badly missing Rahul and Rohit. Those two would make this team much stronger.
 
England miscalculated the declaration BIG TIME

Cook and his defensive captaincy strikes again. There was a genuine chance to win if they had an extra 10-12 overs.

Though tbf if England were offered a draw in the first test before it started they and the fans would have taken it with both hands.
 
Aman said:
India don't deserve to draw this, hope England get it done.

Well and truly have outplayed the Indians.
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Given the way India batted in the 1st innings against scoreboard pressure, we surely deserve to draw this.
 
Aman said:
Should have declared 10 overs earlier. Think you would have definitely rolled them if you had 10 or more overs left.
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Cook is always too conservative. It has been a while since we had an attacking skipper - probably Nasser.
 
street cricketer said:
India missing Rohit?:uakmal
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With all the criticism he gets, he played very well against new zealand.

Imagine this lineup:

Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Rohit
Ashwin
Saha
Jadeja
Bhuvi
Shami.

Batting till no. 10. Our tail would be no less than England's.
 
Sidilicious said:
270 odd in 60 overs is a possibility. If Pujara had reviewed and with Kohli's positivity, you never know.
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If and buts.

If England had declared 10-15 overs earlier they could have played with much more aggression in the final part at 4.5-5 runs per over and 8 wickets in hand so it would have evened out
 
Good to see Moeen coming round the wicket, much more dangerous angle because the batsmen have to play at everything now.
 
HitWicket said:
His bat was behind his bat. No matter how little that one turned it was never hitting the bat.
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I'm assuming you are saying his bat was behind his front pad. Yeah, that's how batsmen were taught to defend off the frontfoot until DRS made it obsolete and batsmen started defending with bat right in front of the pad.

Hameed still plays the old school way though. Nasser was even mentioning it in commentary.
 
King Kong said:
I am being very realistic here. 260 runs in 60 overs wouldn't be impossible.
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Again you are assuming that England would have batted at the same rate if they had taken decision of declaring earlier
 
Slog said:
If and buts.

If England had declared 10-15 overs earlier they could have played with much more aggression in the final part at 4.5-5 runs per over and 8 wickets in hand so it would have evened out
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Pot calling the kettle black?

You are using the ifs too, and are calling on my mine!!

Had England declared giving India 370 to score off 60, India would have gone for it. Would have surely given India a chance back in the game.
 
street cricketer said:
I'm assuming you are saying his bat was behind his front pad. Yeah, that's how batsmen were taught to defend off the frontfoot until DRS made it obsolete and batsmen started defending with bat right in front of the pad.

Hameed still plays the old school way though. Nasser was even mentioning it in commentary.
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It wasn't just behind his front pad in terms of its line though, it was physically blocked by the pad.
 
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King Kong said:
With all the criticism he gets, he played very well against new zealand.

Imagine this lineup:

Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Rohit
Ashwin
Saha
Jadeja
Bhuvi
Shami.

Batting till no. 10. Our tail would be no less than England's.
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Rohit wouldn't have survived here. He doesn't have a good defensive technique. I know he did well in the NZ series, but think Karun Nair is the one and not Rohit.
 
Slog said:
Again you are assuming that England would have batted at the same rate if they had taken decision of declaring earlier
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You didn't watch how England batted today. They tried to attack after the first hour, but couldn't just score much. Indian bowlers did well in restricting flow of runs.
 
HitWicket said:
It wasn't just behind his front pad in terms of its line though, it was physically blocked by the pad.
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If you look carefully, the bat was next to the pad. Its the angle at what the ball arrives that it appears that he not playing a shot.
 
Sidilicious said:
Pot calling the kettle black?

You are using the ifs too, and are calling on my mine!!

Had England declared giving India 370 to score off 60, India would have gone for it. Would have surely given India a chance back in the game.
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I was just playing your game to show the ridiculousness of your conjecture :facepalm:
 
HitWicket said:
It wasn't just behind his front pad in terms of its line though, it was physically blocked by the pad.
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He is missing the turn. He was trying to smother it.

Ashwin always plays spin off backfoot. He is poor if it's pitched up. In any case, even if he was using some clever way to beat the system, you can't really tell someone isn't offering a shot when he is bringing his bat down in the line of the ball. That would be very controversial.
 
Slog said:
Again you are assuming that England would have batted at the same rate if they had taken decision of declaring earlier
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Wouldn't exactly have been that easy to score much faster with 5 fielders on the boundary and spinners bowling negative lines.
 
King Kong said:
You didn't watch how England batted today. They tried to attack after the first hour, but couldn't just score much. Indian bowlers did well in restricting flow of runs.
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Cook didn't really try till the end. Stokes did. And Root got out trying

But my point is that with batting going till number 11 literally they could have done it if they weren't so defensive
 
Slog said:
I was just playing your game to show the ridiculousness of your conjecture :facepalm:
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Again, if my premise is absurd, that doesnt say much about your either.

I am using the same analogy. Had england declared 10 overs earlier - what would happened?

There are lots of permutations and combinations, and the possibilities I enlisted are part of it.
 
Cook helped us bigtime.First the late declaration, then not bowling his best bowler enough
 
This is probably the best chance for England to win in this series, especially after scoring 550. Great batting by Indian players.
 
Pitching it too far outside off, need to be bowling it on 4th stump and get lbw and bowled into the equation.
 
King Kong said:
MOM.. Who should get it?

My choice is Vijay.
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No home player should get the MOM if a foreign team is drawing a game at your home. A draw at home should be taken as a soft defeat hence the MOM should be from the visiting team.
 
5 down!

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Horrible Test for STB.
 
20 overs would have been more than enough overs to win the Test from here.
 
Should completely surround the batsmen and appeal for everything.

Build up as much pressure on the batsmen as possible.
 
Just picturing this being a draw than Botham saying, "England have the mental edge over India. I expect England to win this series from here". This is what he did when we played them in the UAE after the 1st test was drawn. We know where that got him :yk2
 
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