FM Bilawal Bhutto Zardari's visit to India to attend the SCO meeting

[Bewal Express]

Tbh youve been making these nonsense posts for many years. Usually come up with grand theories that have no subtance.

Pakistan is sure in a bad place but its no where near as doom and gloom as you guys paint out. It is a basket cade at times but spend a few days in PK and you will realise that there is more than meets the eye when it comes to the economic issues.

I think after elections and the return of a PTI govt and a recalibrated establishment things will pick up again.

There will be no pickup and the PTI is not returning as long as we are under an undeclared Martial Law supported by the mafia. The economic destruction will not be repaired for years to come and as long as we don't have a democratic govt, there will be no investment. The Generals are sold, and nothing will change there mind, bar sanctions from the West, but that's not happening because they are fully supportive of the coup.

 

[Rajdeep]

Emblematic of the Modi government as a whole. More focused on PR than any actual substance.

This was a response to Bhutto's comment on PM Modi few weeks back where he said - "Osama bin Laden is dead. But the butcher of Gujarat lives and he is the Prime Minister of India.". It was pre-meditated by Jaishankar to humiliate him in PC and did exactly that. BJP is not a coward like Congress and don't take criticism on our beloved PM/Nation lightly, especially from someone in Pakistan.

 

[Major]

its interesting to see how the media is spinning it.

In Pakistan we have the Anti State party PTI that is now insulting its countrys own FM because they are not in govt. Their paid PTI trolls on twitter are sprouting garbage.

While in India, if one hasnt watched the full video of the meetings, their news channel are spining off things and photoshoping hand shakes etc which is just hilarious

 

[Varun]

This was a response to Bhutto's comment on PM Modi few weeks back where he said - "Osama bin Laden is dead. But the butcher of Gujarat lives and he is the Prime Minister of India.". It was pre-meditated by Jaishankar to humiliate him in PC and did exactly that. BJP is not a coward like Congress and don't take criticism on our beloved PM/Nation lightly, especially from someone in Pakistan.

Yeah, Congress was the one who split Pakistan into two, got us nuclear weapons, made India food-sufficient and laid the foundations for a democracy that got your beloved into power.

 

[Bewal Express]

its interesting to see how the media is spinning it.

In Pakistan we have the Anti State party PTI that is now insulting its countrys own FM because they are not in govt. Their paid PTI trolls on twitter are sprouting garbage.

While in India, if one hasnt watched the full video of the meetings, their news channel are spining off things and photoshoping hand shakes etc which is just hilarious

Your clown is out of his depth. He is absolute disgrace and his incompetence has brought the whole country humiliation. But we told you this a year ago, this govt is the most useless govt PK has ever had. Not a single success in a year of terrible failure.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan made a big error of judgement when they started the trend of abusing Modi and his government.

Modi BJP RSS their election or governance isn't Pakistan's issue. They are matters that are internal to India and for Indians to look into.

Pakistan thinks it is some kind of Muslim super power and reserves the right to poke its nose into India. That's not how international diplomacy works. You don't poke your noses into other countries. That's basic diplomacy. Ofcourse Pakistan doesn't believe that. Over decades Indian response to such Pakistani comments have been measured. But now its clear that the government will give it back in the same coin.

Whosoever advised Imran to start ranting against Modi government needs to be taught diplomacy. Imran Khan's rants didn't affect anyone. Hardly any country supported him. But he has affectively burnt all bridges with India. India isn't going to engage with pakistan on any issue.

The current government sees no reason to engage with pakistan. And they have popular support among the people. So they have no compulsion to change course.

 

[MenInG]

PTI Chairman Imran Khan on Saturday strongly criticised Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari for their foreign trips amid the country’s current “crises”.

PM Shehbaz is currently in the UK for the coronation of King Charles III while FM Bilawal visited India on Thursday to attend the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation’s Council of Foreign Ministers.

Imran took aim at the two while addressing a PTI rally from inside his vehicle in Lahore held to show support and solidarity with the Supreme Court, Constitution and Chief Justice of Pakistan Umar Ata Bandial.

“Pakistan is being humiliated in the world. How the Indian foreign minister’s behaviour was when Bilawal went to India is a basis for shame for all of us. We ask the question, Bilawal you are touring the entire world but first tell that before going do you ask anyone that you’re spending the country’s money on a trip so what will be the benefit or loss from it?”

Imran questioned what benefit was gained from the trip to India with the kind of language that the Indian foreign minister used.

India’s Minister for External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, in his remarks at the SCO meet, had said terrorism in all its forms, including cross-border terrorism, must be stopped, usually a reference to Pakistan.

“We firmly believe that there can be no justification for terrorism and it must be stopped in all its forms and manifestations, including cross-border terrorism.” Later, he had alleged that Pakistan backed terrorists in Kashmir and Bilawal’s position was “found out and called out”.

Not holding back his words for the latter, Imran pointedly remarked against Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar’s manners. “Don’t you have any culture or etiquette that a guest comes to your country — either don’t invite them but to invite and then humiliate them like this reflects [poorly] on India. This arrogance of yours I’m seeing, remember it is God’s law that the powerful do not always remain so and the weak do not always remain so as well.”

Turning to the prime minister, Imran asked him what he was doing in the UK.

“Do you have the time for that? Don’t you know that two days back six soldiers were martyred and seven teachers in Parachinar were shot? Inflation is at historic [levels]. How could you leave the country and go there (UK) in such conditions?”

PM Shehbaz earlier today deplored how the PTI tried to make Pakistan’s participation in the SCO meeting controversial, terming it as “deeply troubling”.

“It shouldn’t be surprising though as Imran Niazi has had no qualms about imperilling the country’s vital foreign policy interests in the past too,” the premier said. “This is what they did in power.”

He added that the conduct of interstate relations for the PTI was merely “a plaything”.

Meanwhile, Imran criticised the state of the country, saying that inflation was three times higher than the time the PTI was removed from power and people’s purchasing power was diminished.

He said Pakistan would rise up and the PTI would establish the rule of law and make a great country, but, elections were needed before that.

Imran said the time had come for the nation to venture forth, saying that he was taking to the streets too despite the threat to his life. The PTI chief said a senior military officer, who he has referred to as “Dirty Harry” on multiple occasions before, would be responsible if anything happened to him.

He added that he would be holding protest rallies from next week till May 14, saying that he would not rest until elections were held.

The former premier thanked the people for coming out and attending the rally in support of the Supreme Court, Constitution and chief justice.

 

[Bewal Express]

There are rumours that Billo was setup for the humiliation after AZ tried to play both sides in the SC election case. Although it seems far fetched, but we thought that about Bajwa and the mafia families and that turned out to be true, we thought that about Bajwa and Haqqani and they traitors worked together to get American support for the soft coup.

 

[DRsohail]

its interesting to see how the media is spinning it.

In Pakistan we have the Anti State party PTI that is now insulting its countrys own FM because they are not in govt. Their paid PTI trolls on twitter are sprouting garbage.

While in India, if one hasnt watched the full video of the meetings, their news channel are spining off things and photoshoping hand shakes etc which is just hilarious

I can understand your pain, we dont consider billo our FM and we have the right to criticize him. sarrho awr sarrho [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]. muna...q brigade hahahha.

 

[DRsohail]

There are rumours that Billo was setup for the humiliation after AZ tried to play both sides in the SC election case. Although it seems far fetched, but we thought that about Bajwa and the mafia families and that turned out to be true, we thought that about Bajwa and Haqqani and they traitors worked together to get American support for the soft coup.

Enjoy replies from munfiq in commnst section lol.

 

[DRsohail]

Pakistan made a big error of judgement when they started the trend of abusing Modi and his government.

Modi BJP RSS their election or governance isn't Pakistan's issue. They are matters that are internal to India and for Indians to look into.

Pakistan thinks it is some kind of Muslim super power and reserves the right to poke its nose into India. That's not how international diplomacy works. You don't poke your noses into other countries. That's basic diplomacy. Ofcourse Pakistan doesn't believe that. Over decades Indian response to such Pakistani comments have been measured. But now its clear that the government will give it back in the same coin.

Whosoever advised Imran to start ranting against Modi government needs to be taught diplomacy. Imran Khan's rants didn't affect anyone. Hardly any country supported him. But he has affectively burnt all bridges with India. India isn't going to engage with pakistan on any issue.

The current government sees no reason to engage with pakistan. And they have popular support among the people. So they have no compulsion to change course.

The bigges error was to send Billo the so called FM(has ohting to do with common people in Pakistan) to India.

 

[DRsohail]

Your clown is out of his depth. He is absolute disgrace and his incompetence has brought the whole country humiliation. But we told you this a year ago, this govt is the most useless govt PK has ever had. Not a single success in a year of terrible failure.

He thinks we have been paid by PTI hahahhahha kitnay gireega .

 

[Bewal Express]

I can understand your pain, we dont consider billo our FM and we have the right to criticize him. sarrho awr sarrho [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]. muna...q brigade hahahha.

Billo has been paid to go on holiday. The clown is Bajwas special project and the project badly failed but its PK that got hurt. It took IK to take the mouthy little Ind to task with a reminder of how you treat guests

 

[DRsohail]

Billo has been paid to go on holiday. The clown is Bajwas special project and the project badly failed but its PK that got hurt. It took IK to take the mouthy little Ind to task with a reminder of how you treat guests

I enjoyed it , I dont care, billo does not reprsent me.

 

[Major]

Pakistan made a big error of judgement when they started the trend of abusing Modi and his government.

Modi BJP RSS their election or governance isn't Pakistan's issue. They are matters that are internal to India and for Indians to look into.

Pakistan thinks it is some kind of Muslim super power and reserves the right to poke its nose into India. That's not how international diplomacy works. You don't poke your noses into other countries. That's basic diplomacy. Ofcourse Pakistan doesn't believe that. Over decades Indian response to such Pakistani comments have been measured. But now its clear that the government will give it back in the same coin.

Whosoever advised Imran to start ranting against Modi government needs to be taught diplomacy. Imran Khan's rants didn't affect anyone. Hardly any country supported him. But he has affectively burnt all bridges with India. India isn't going to engage with pakistan on any issue.

The current government sees no reason to engage with pakistan. And they have popular support among the people. So they have no compulsion to change course.

I find it interesting that you use the word internal alot yet terrorism cannot be controlled by you guys shouldnt you terror issue be internal where are your forces?

Why should pakistan deal with your terror problem, isnt that internal?

 

[Energy]

I find it interesting that you use the word internal alot yet terrorism cannot be controlled by you guys shouldnt you terror issue be internal where are your forces?

Why should pakistan deal with your terror problem, isnt that internal?

He will say India is clean and all the terrorism that's happening, it's becsuse of Pakistan. This rhetoric is very popular in their media and its likely that a billion guys believe it religiously.

 

[Romali_rotti]

He will say India is clean and all the terrorism that's happening, it's becsuse of Pakistan. This rhetoric is very popular in their media and its likely that a billion guys believe it religiously.

Well when ppl like Osama Bin Laden and Masood Azar etc were found/living in Pakistan, you don't have much credibility.

 

[Energy]

Well when ppl like Osama Bin Laden and Masood Azar etc were found/living in Pakistan, you don't have much credibility.

That's where you're wrong. And if you keep harping about it then you're kind of being thick on purpose, and that's resonating with the majority residing in and out of India.

If you hear what Bilawal said closely, he acknowledged that from 2008 to 2014 Pakistan was in a mess. And we have done astonishingly well to get out of it. Pakistan has also successfully come out of 2 FATF grey lists to prove that we have moved forward.

Beating around the bush for falana falana happened in this year and falana falana happened in that year is a good electoral strategy, but not a counter terrorism one.

Pakistan has enough credibility on the terrorism front now. It's only the Indian media that keeps inventing stories. You don't see the global press reports on Pakistan and terrorism now.

India is ranked below Pakistan and Taliban ruled Afghanistan in media freedom so we know what your news sources are telling you. And the billions living there.

 

[saeedhk]

No he should point out anything he says which is wrong.

In your life you will have many issues but does that mean you will not criticize something when you see is wrong?

When my kids are dying of hunger and are infected with polio, I will put all my energies towards uplifting them instead of wasting time to score some brownie points.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The bigges error was to send Billo the so called FM(has ohting to do with common people in Pakistan) to India.

He did two mistakes in India.

1) No non pakistani was allowed to his PC.

2) In his PC someone asked about the G20 event in Kashmir, his reply was " Waqt aane pe aisa jawab denge...." To make such threatening remarks about a G20 event is stupidity.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's where you're wrong. And if you keep harping about it then you're kind of being thick on purpose, and that's resonating with the majority residing in and out of India.

If you hear what Bilawal said closely, he acknowledged that from 2008 to 2014 Pakistan was in a mess. And we have done astonishingly well to get out of it. Pakistan has also successfully come out of 2 FATF grey lists to prove that we have moved forward.

Beating around the bush for falana falana happened in this year and falana falana happened in that year is a good electoral strategy, but not a counter terrorism one.

Pakistan has enough credibility on the terrorism front now. It's only the Indian media that keeps inventing stories. You don't see the global press reports on Pakistan and terrorism now.

India is ranked below Pakistan and Taliban ruled Afghanistan in media freedom so we know what your news sources are telling you. And the billions living there.

We know how credible a ford foundation (previously restricted in India) Soros Organisation OSF(Shut down in India) Omdiyar network (Restricted activities in India) funded NGOs ranking is.

Pakistan continues to be monitored by the APG of FATF as per the statement of FATF president in March 2023.

Terrorist organisations are again openly collecting money in Pakistan. A terrorist leader like Syed Salahuddin was seen hob nobing in public few weeks back.

 

[uppercut]

I find it interesting that you use the word internal alot yet terrorism cannot be controlled by you guys shouldnt you terror issue be internal where are your forces?

Why should pakistan deal with your terror problem, isnt that internal?

Person X comes and hurls a grenade through the window of person Y. Person Y is unable to spot the grenade or throw it out before it explodes. The grenade takes a few minutes before it explodes and causes serious damage to Y's house and lands him in hospital.

In your opinion .... Who is responsible for the loss of Y's property and his injuries ?

 

[shortbread]

The whole Bilawal India visit issue is a welcome distraction from the myriad of challenges in front of this coalition govt. In some ways the government has succeeded, people are more worried about their neighbours arrogance than one's own house being on fire! WAKE UP

 

[Romali_rotti]

That's where you're wrong. And if you keep harping about it then you're kind of being thick on purpose, and that's resonating with the majority residing in and out of India.

If you hear what Bilawal said closely, he acknowledged that from 2008 to 2014 Pakistan was in a mess. And we have done astonishingly well to get out of it. Pakistan has also successfully come out of 2 FATF grey lists to prove that we have moved forward.

Beating around the bush for falana falana happened in this year and falana falana happened in that year is a good electoral strategy, but not a counter terrorism one.

Pakistan has enough credibility on the terrorism front now. It's only the Indian media that keeps inventing stories. You don't see the global press reports on Pakistan and terrorism now.

India is ranked below Pakistan and Taliban ruled Afghanistan in media freedom so we know what your news sources are telling you. And the billions living there.

Pakistan and credibility only goes hand in hand for Pakistanis only.

Rest of the world doesn't see it that way, no one takes Pakistan seriously in the international forum.

Feel free to reply back with your typical: You are wrong, Pakistan is on its way, Pakistan is better than India blah blah, India is a fascist state etc, I would not expect anything better from you...

 

[NishanKonar]

Pakistan and credibility only goes hand in hand for Pakistanis only.

Rest of the world doesn't see it that way, no one takes Pakistan seriously in the international forum.

Feel free to reply back with your typical: You are wrong, Pakistan is on its way, Pakistan is better than India blah blah, India is a fascist state etc, I would not expect anything better from you...

Pakistan's international credibility is so high that even their iron brother Chinese Foreign Minister came to Pakistan and sternly lectured them to stop messing around and get their act together

 

[Major]

Person X comes and hurls a grenade through the window of person Y. Person Y is unable to spot the grenade or throw it out before it explodes. The grenade takes a few minutes before it explodes and causes serious damage to Y's house and lands him in hospital.

In your opinion .... Who is responsible for the loss of Y's property and his injuries ?

First of all thats a stupid analogy.

To do a terorist attack you need by pass the security of india and its border control. Throwing a grenade is simple as tossing one through he window. Pakistan is not launching missiles on India.

Point is if everything is Indias internal issue and no one should speak than terrorism is also Indias internal issue, if your countrys internal defence and border patrol is that bad, why blame us. WHy not sort out your internal security issue. You guys cant handle terrorist and yet cry.

 

[Bewal Express]

Well when ppl like Osama Bin Laden and Masood Azar etc were found/living in Pakistan, you don't have much credibility.

So says a man whose spy was caught red handed supporting terrorists in Balochistan

 

[MenInG]

The Foreign Office (FO) said on Sunday that insinuations associating Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari’s remarks on India’s decision to hold G20 meetings in occupied Kashmir with a threat of violence were “not only mischievous but highly irresponsible”.

India assumed the year-long presidency of the G20 in December last year. It is set to host a leaders’ summit in early September.

Last month, the neighbouring country released a full calendar of events leading up to the summit, which included G20 and Youth 20 meetings in occupied Kashmir’s Srinagar and in Leh, in the region of Ladakh, in April and May.

Pakistan has “vehemently condemned” India’s move, saying such a move was “self-serving” on New Delhi’s part.

FM Bilawal, during his two-day visit to India for the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation’s (SCO) Council of Foreign Ministers (CFM) moot, had also condemned New Delhi’s decision to hold G-20 meetings in the disputed territory.

Responding to questions regarding the matter in a media talk after the SCO meeting, FM Bilawal had said: “Obviously we condemn it and at the time we will give such a response that it will be remembered.”

He had said holding the meetings in the disputed territory showed India’s “pettiness” and was “a show of arrogance to the world that to hell with international law, UNSC resolutions and bilateral agreements, India will hold its events in Kashmir”.

FM Bilawal had further stated that India would soon find that “they will be unable to achieve 110 per cent attendance because other people will not compromise on their morals”.

Subsequently, Indian news outlets such as the Hindustan Times and India Today had reported Bilawal’s remarks as a “veiled threat to India”.

In a statement issued today, FO spokesperson Mumtaz Zahra Baloch said that the foreign minister had on his visit to India emphasised the “critical importance of relevant UN Security Council resolutions” for a peaceful settlement of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute.

“Clearly, he based his case on international law,” she noted.

Baloch said that the Foreign Ministry had already “articulated Pakistan’s position on the G-20 Tourism Working Group meeting in IIOJK in its press release of 11 April 2023”.

“Any insinuation, associating foreign minister’s remarks with a threat of violence, is not only mischievous but highly irresponsible. It is an attempt to shift focus from the Foreign Minister’s key message of conflict resolution through dialogue and in accordance with international law and UN security council resolutions,” the FO stressed.

The spokesperson added that “journalistic norms must be respected while reporting on sensitive inter-state matters”.

DAWN

 

[uppercut]

First of all thats a stupid analogy.

To do a terorist attack you need by pass the security of india and its border control. Throwing a grenade is simple as tossing one through he window. Pakistan is not launching missiles on India.
.

Or better yet... stop sending the terrorists across the border right? So in my example you are laying the blame on cops for not catching the guy who was in possession of a grenade?

 

[ahsan17]

Or better yet... stop sending the terrorists across the border right? So in my example you are laying the blame on cops for not catching the guy who was in possession of a grenade?

Might make sense to ask your government to not support BLA, TTP etc as well.

 

[uppercut]

Might make sense to ask your government to not support BLA, TTP etc as well.

Lets assume for the sake of discussion that India supports these militant entities ... my question to you is: when did this start ( rough time frame ) and what was the reason in your opinion ?

 

[ahsan17]

Lets assume for the sake of discussion that India supports these militant entities ... my question to you is: when did this start ( rough time frame ) and what was the reason in your opinion ?

The first question is quite irrelevant, but I will answer it just for the sake of it.

BLA, or Baloch separatists in general has been going on for decades. Can't pinpoint exact timeline but likely from 60s or 70s. TTP from mid 2000s.

Reasons are quite obvious. Why does any country support terrorists in an enemy country?

 

[uppercut]

The first question is quite irrelevant, but I will answer it just for the sake of it.

BLA, or Baloch separatists in general has been going on for decades. Can't pinpoint exact timeline but likely from 60s or 70s. TTP from mid 2000s.

Reasons are quite obvious. Why does any country support terrorists in an enemy country?

ok ... so approx when did the 2 countries become enemies ( according to you). Was it Pakistan that first took the step ( of declaring Ind as an enemy state ) or was it India ( that declared Pak as an enemy first) ?

And when did this happen ... perhaps 1947 or much later (according to you ofcourse ) ?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

ok ... so approx when did the 2 countries become enemies ( according to you). Was it Pakistan that first took the step ( of declaring Ind as an enemy state ) or was it India ( that declared Pak as an enemy first) ?

And when did this happen ... perhaps 1947 or much later (according to you ofcourse ) ?

Why does it matter who did what first.

India funds BLA and TTP and then cry about Pakistan sending terrorists into India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Might make sense to ask your government to not support BLA, TTP etc as well.

Earlier pskistanis would say that India is using consulates in Afghanistan to fund BLA or TTP. Now those consulates don't exist.

Btw where does the BLA leadership live? India or UK and Europe?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why does it matter who did what first.

India funds BLA and TTP and then cry about Pakistan sending terrorists into India.

Earlier pskistanis would say that India is using consulates in Afghanistan to fund BLA or TTP. Now those consulates don't exist.

Btw where does the BLA leadership live? India or UK and Europe?

 

[uppercut]

Why does it matter who did what first.

Because Iam sincerely trying to get to the root cause of this problem !!

And its important because even at the country level things dont just happen out of the blue. The USA did not just one day said we will go drop nukes on Japan. Its important to understand the sequence of events that lead up to that event to get a clear picture from a Pakistani perspective. So therefore go ahead and explain away the sequence of events that have lead us to this situation today wherein there is practically no bilateral relationship between the 2 countries.

 

[Major]

Or better yet... stop sending the terrorists across the border right? So in my example you are laying the blame on cops for not catching the guy who was in possession of a grenade?

once someone enters your country thats your internal issue. Your analogy is stupid and makes 0 sense. Cops are not border control they are not outside ones house all the time. Border control is.

India cant deal with terrorism they are terrified it and want Pakistan to interfere in that. However, in other issues they dont want us to interfere or comment due to internal matter.

People that die in India through terrorism is internal matter. They should whine the day we launch a missile on them. We had an internal matter with Abhinandan once he crossed the borders. We shot his plane made a mockery of him and than sent him back to where he crawled out

 

[uppercut]

once someone enters your country thats your internal issue. Your analogy is stupid and makes 0 sense. Cops are not border control they are not outside ones house all the time. Border control is.

So essentially you don't see any issues in Pakistan training, arming and funding militants and sending them to India ? You dont think that is the root cause ?


So if cops are not responsible for security of a Town who is ?

India cant deal with terrorism they are terrified it and want Pakistan to interfere in that. However, in other issues they dont want us to interfere or comment due to internal matter.

People that die in India through terrorism is internal matter. They should whine the day we launch a missile on them. We had an internal matter with Abhinandan once he crossed the borders. We shot his plane made a mockery of him and than sent him back to where he crawled out

And India's stance is that if Pakistan didn't support/fund/train militants there wouldn't be any issues to begin with.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lol, I see this thread is still being directed according to RSS agenda. Wake me up when we get back to discussing Billo, maybe I'll have some thoughts then.

 

[Major]

So essentially you don't see any issues in Pakistan training, arming and funding militants and sending them to India ? You dont think that is the root cause ?


So if cops are not responsible for security of a Town who is ?





And India's stance is that if Pakistan didn't support/fund/train militants there wouldn't be any issues to begin with.

Your analogy is flawed this is the third time im explaining to you.

If teorrism in India is Pakistans issue, than plz accept here that no issue is internal.

Basically you guys are in a catch 22 situation. When it benefits you or something that can damage you, you guys claim that issue as internal, when you guys cant deal with that issue and whine about country helping then you say its not internal but the country should do something.

Sorry you cant pick and choose. Every issue for Indians is internal, deal with terrorism. Maybe improve your border control and security.

also 4th time repeating, your analogy is poor and doesnt work, you may repeat it the 4th time but still its a flawed analogy as explained ealier.

 

[uppercut]

Your analogy is flawed this is the third time im explaining to you.

If teorrism in India is Pakistans issue, than plz accept here that no issue is internal

Give me examples of some issues other than Terrorism that according to you are not internal.

Sorry you cant pick and choose. Every issue for Indians is internal, deal with terrorism. Maybe improve your border control and security.

so according to you there is no onus on Pakistan to do anything in this regard ? They can continue to arm and train militants as they wish ? Am I interpreting your response correctly ?

also 4th time repeating, your analogy is poor and doesnt work, you may repeat it the 4th time but still its a flawed analogy as explained ealier.

You seem to be hung up on border security control. Ok. how about we say the person Y in my example lives in a gated community with security guards and they weren't able to stop X from causing dame to Y. I suppose based on your responses so far it appears that the fault lies with the security guards and not X or whoever motivated/funded X to cause harm to Y ?

 

[Major]

Give me examples of some issues other than Terrorism that according to you are not internal.



so according to you there is no onus on Pakistan to do anything in this regard ? They can continue to arm and train militants as they wish ? Am I interpreting your response correctly ?




You seem to be hung up on border security control. Ok. how about we say the person Y in my example lives in a gated community with security guards and they weren't able to stop X from causing dame to Y. I suppose based on your responses so far it appears that the fault lies with the security guards and not X or whoever motivated/funded X to cause harm to Y ?

You keep trying hard with analogies that do not make sense.

Border control is indias internal issue not ours. We look at our own border control. After 9/11 US became strict on border controls, they dont go around whining about countries and took responsibilit them selves.

If India is gonna use the internal matters card, than same applies when a terrorist decides to blow up a few Indians. Deal with it.

Terrorism isnt internal because India cant handle it and failed against it, but everything else is internal , the hypocrisy.

Maybe India's security should be handled by Pakistan if they cant deal with it

 

[uppercut]

You keep trying hard with analogies that do not make sense.

Border control is indias internal issue not ours. We look at our own border control. After 9/11 US became strict on border controls, they dont go around whining about countries and took responsibilit them selves.

They also invaded a few countries killed thousands of innocent people who had nothing to do with 9/11 ( War on Iraq!) and created more enemies, including drone bombing within Pakistani territories and ofcourse fishing out OBL without informing Pakistani military. So India should take the same route in your opinion ?

If India is gonna use the internal matters card, than same applies when a terrorist decides to blow up a few Indians. Deal with it.

Terrorism isnt internal because India cant handle it and failed against it, but everything else is internal , the hypocrisy.

Maybe India's security should be handled by Pakistan if they cant deal with it

meaning Pakistan is going to continue sponsoring militants and it is completely upto India to stop it ? Pakistan has no responsibility/onus to stop them ? Is this what you are saying ?

 

[DRsohail]

He did two mistakes in India.

1) No non pakistani was allowed to his PC.

2) In his PC someone asked about the G20 event in Kashmir, his reply was " Waqt aane pe aisa jawab denge...." To make such threatening remarks about a G20 event is stupidity.

He is not considered FM , He has no business to be an FM, zabrdasti ka tole, and he is falling apart.

 

[Major]

They also invaded a few countries killed thousands of innocent people who had nothing to do with 9/11 ( War on Iraq!) and created more enemies, including drone bombing within Pakistani territories and ofcourse fishing out OBL without informing Pakistani military. So India should take the same route in your opinion ?




meaning Pakistan is going to continue sponsoring militants and it is completely upto India to stop it ? Pakistan has no responsibility/onus to stop them ? Is this what you are saying ?

can india really do an invasion? When we made a fool out of Abhiundone.

Anything happening inside India is there internal issue, deal them internally. Or India is a failed state as it cant do border controls.

 

[uppercut]

can india really do an invasion? When we made a fool out of Abhiundone.

I see ... so the report that said your ministers were shaking in their boots when India issued an ultimatum to release him was a fake news ?

Anything happening inside India is there internal issue, deal them internally. Or India is a failed state as it cant do border controls.

So once again asking since you are avoiding answering that. ... Pakistan is doing no wrong in your opinion by allowing militant organizations to flourish within its territories ?

 

[daytrader]

"I'm Good Host If...": S Jaishankar On Talks With Pak Minister Bilawal Bhutto
S Jaishankar referred to Rahul Gandhi's meeting with the Chinese ambassador to India during the Doklam crisis. He attacked the government, suggesting that new territory had been lost to China's salami slicing.

Mysuru (Karnataka): External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on Saturday took a jibe at Congress leader Rahul Gandhi and said that he was taking classes on China from the Chinese ambassador.
Speaking on 'Foreign Policy of the Modi Government,' he said, "I would have offered to take classes on China from Rahul Gandhi but I discovered he was taking classes on China from the Chinese ambassador," responding to the Congress leader's criticism of Prime Minister Narendra Modi government's handling of relations with China.

Mr Jaishankar referred to Rahul Gandhi's meeting with the Chinese ambassador to India during the Doklam crisis. He attacked the government, suggesting that new territory had been lost to China's salami slicing.

"I know everything in politics is political. I accept that. But I think on certain issues, we have a collective responsibility to at least behave in a way that we do not weaken our (India's) collective position abroad to do what we have seen in the last three years in China," Mr Jaishankar said, adding, "often very misleading narratives are put in."

...
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/rah...kars-swipe-4013260#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

 

[Major]

I see ... so the report that said your ministers were shaking in their boots when India issued an ultimatum to release him was a fake news ?



So once again asking since you are avoiding answering that. ... Pakistan is doing no wrong in your opinion by allowing militant organizations to flourish within its territories ?

Can India do an invasion?

Plz dont discuss Indias internal issues. If you cant handle ur issues we not here to help you.

I live in Pakistan there are not militant camps here.

 

[IamIndian]

Can India do an invasion?

Plz dont discuss Indias internal issues. If you cant handle ur issues we not here to help you.

I live in Pakistan there are not militant camps here.

Good joke... lol.. Why then has Pakistan been placed on the grey list?

 

[Abstraction1]

its interesting to see how the media is spinning it.

In Pakistan we have the Anti State party PTI that is now insulting its countrys own FM because they are not in govt. Their paid PTI trolls on twitter are sprouting garbage.

While in India, if one hasnt watched the full video of the meetings, their news channel are spining off things and photoshoping hand shakes etc which is just hilarious

The cope on this guy. It must be mentally exhausting trying to pretend PDM are competent.

I also had a good chuckle at "anti-state party". Cheers

 

[Bewal Express]

The cope on this guy. It must be mentally exhausting trying to pretend PDM are competent.

I also had a good chuckle at "anti-state party". Cheers

I saw the anti state party stuff. This anti state party is demonstrating to protect the CJP and the constitution. [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] if the PTI is anti state where does it leave the parties that disobeyed a SC order and threatened the judges

 

[uppercut]

Can India do an invasion?

Yes they can if necessary as was done back in 1971. But they wont as we are generally not a war mongering country and dont take the war route unless there are no other options

Plz dont discuss Indias internal issues. If you cant handle ur issues we not here to help you.

I live in Pakistan there are not militant camps here.

JeM, LeT etc are not founded and headquartered in Pakistan ?

 

[Romali_rotti]

So says a man whose spy was caught red handed supporting terrorists in Balochistan

This is why I keep saying, you Pakistanis just don't get it.

Osama Bin Laden was an international declared terrorists, found living in Pakistan under the protection of your military.

Masood Azhar is also an international declared terrorists.

Kulbhushan Yadav is not an international declared terrorists, just because Pakistanis claim he is,, means nothing in the international arena.

There is a reason why no one takes your country seriously.....

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is why I keep saying, you Pakistanis just don't get it.

Osama Bin Laden was an international declared terrorists, found living in Pakistan under the protection of your military.

Masood Azhar is also an international declared terrorists.

Kulbhushan Yadav is not an international declared terrorists, just because Pakistanis claim he is,, means nothing in the international arena.

There is a reason why no one takes your country seriously.....

Come on bro, only those who live in snake villages in Gujrat believe this.

Indian terrorism has been taking place in Kashmir for decades. India has financed terrorists in Pakistan since 2008 murdering thousands. Heck your government are extremist terrorists. Its only an argument for blind/deaf to believe or for the snake charmers of India.

India does take Pakistan seriously because of the nuclear power Pak has and the ability to down and capture pilots who like to attack trees.

Bilowal arrived in India, ate from Indian hospitality, made your foreign minister (who is about 4ft) to close his hands as if Bilo was entering the temple of Ram. Yet India wont play a game/sport of bat/stick and ball?

Time for both sides to grow up as there are bigger issues now, such a world war looming.

 

[RexRex]

This is why I keep saying, you Pakistanis just don't get it.

Osama Bin Laden was an international declared terrorists, found living in Pakistan under the protection of your military.

Masood Azhar is also an international declared terrorists.

Kulbhushan Yadav is not an international declared terrorists, just because Pakistanis claim he is,, means nothing in the international arena.

There is a reason why no one takes your country seriously.....

I think Pakistanis should realise that the stain of terrorism on their country's reputation is not going to go away. It will never go away. It is their cross to bear and will be reminded of it daily by India until they acknowledge their past and apologise for it.

But I see all these posts on PP and there is zero contrition which is why don't foresee a good trajectory for Pakistan's future. The humility required for nation-building isn't there. I hope it changes but I am not sure it will.

 

[uppercut]

This is why I keep saying, you Pakistanis just don't get it.

Osama Bin Laden was an international declared terrorists, found living in Pakistan under the protection of your military.

Masood Azhar is also an international declared terrorists.

Kulbhushan Yadav is not an international declared terrorists, just because Pakistanis claim he is,, means nothing in the international arena.

There is a reason why no one takes your country seriously.....

I think Pakistanis should realise that the stain of terrorism on their country's reputation is not going to go away. It will never go away. It is their cross to bear and will be reminded of it daily by India until they acknowledge their past and apologise for it.

But I see all these posts on PP and there is zero contrition which is why don't foresee a good trajectory for Pakistan's future. The humility required for nation-building isn't there. I hope it changes but I am not sure it will.

Was going to respond along similar lines but these posts articulate the problem quite succinctly. What shocks me is that even well educated, well travelled Pakistanis do not still get the gravity of the situation. Which means that this will continue to be a problem for a long-long time to come. It will take a completely new generation of people to realize and sort out the problem ... I don't see any meaningful progress in our lifetimes sadly.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think Pakistanis should realise that the stain of terrorism on their country's reputation is not going to go away. It will never go away. It is their cross to bear and will be reminded of it daily by India until they acknowledge their past and apologise for it.

But I see all these posts on PP and there is zero contrition which is why don't foresee a good trajectory for Pakistan's future. The humility required for nation-building isn't there. I hope it changes but I am not sure it will.

This is an Indian yogi pipe dream. Pakistanis know the cause which was the war of terror which lead to CIA, Indian intel to pay off terrorists to attack Pakistan.

But when when 40+ Indian troops were killed, India seemed surprised?

India and Pakistan arent going anywhere. Its time to come to some sort of diplomatic solution as people will only continue to die inc Indian soldiers in occupied Kashmir.

 

[RexRex]

Its time to come to some sort of diplomatic solution as people will only continue to die inc Indian soldiers in occupied Kashmir.

There is nothing to discuss. If 70 years of diplomacy hasn't worked, one more dialogue isn't going to change anything. I am satisied with the status quo - which is minimal/non-existent bilateral relations.

Are you happy with the status quo ?

 

[KingKhanWC]

There is nothing to discuss. If 70 years of diplomacy hasn't worked, one more dialogue isn't going to change anything. I am satisied with the status quo - which is minimal/non-existent bilateral relations.

Are you happy with the status quo ?

Unlike you and and RSS fans, I think there is always a way out of killing, torture , occupation and a potential nuclear war. So the answer is no.

When more Indian soldiers are killed while people fight occupation, I hope you would be happy to say to their families, you're happy with them and more dying.

 

[IamIndian]

Come on bro, only those who live in snake villages in Gujrat believe this.

Indian terrorism has been taking place in Kashmir for decades. India has financed terrorists in Pakistan since 2008 murdering thousands. Heck your government are extremist terrorists. Its only an argument for blind/deaf to believe or for the snake charmers of India.

India does take Pakistan seriously because of the nuclear power Pak has and the ability to down and capture pilots who like to attack trees.

Bilowal arrived in India, ate from Indian hospitality, made your foreign minister (who is about 4ft) to close his hands as if Bilo was entering the temple of Ram. Yet India wont play a game/sport of bat/stick and ball?

Time for both sides to grow up as there are bigger issues now, such a world war looming.

Why Pakistan took 43 days to show media Balakot Madarsa intact?

Visit by media and military observers on 10 April 2019

Forty-three days after the Indian Air Force struck Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) terror training camps in Pakistan’s Balakot, the Pakistani government took representatives of some Islamabad-based international media houses and foreign diplomats to the area.

Lets analyse the account of a reporter working with BBC Hindi, who was part of the entourage. His part of the story is tracked in italics from an english interpretation of the article here.

The BBC Hindi correspondent mentioned after boarding a helicopter at Islamabad, said they landed at a place near Mansehra. They passed through some difficult mountainous terrain for the next one-and-a-half hours.*


Near the camp, the entourage had to trek for 90 odd minutes to reach the top


The convoy of media and military heads towarsd the Jabba top
As soon as they arrived at the camp, the Pak Army directed them not to “speak too long” to local residents.* Obvious question, if nothing happened there — why was the Pak Army putting restrictions on the independent observers to interact with the locals.

https://theprint.in/defence/pakista...dia-trip-instead-it-blew-its-cover-up/220530/

 

[MenInG]

Foreign Minister and Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari on Saturday said that the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) and India's ruling party Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have the same narrative.

"When we were fighting our case in India, there was only one party that opposed us. The agenda of the PTI and BJP is the same," he said while addressing his party’s rally in Karachi.

Bilawal said that when he went to India as a foreign minister, he was representing all Pakistanis.

Bilawal also mentioned his visit to the United States, saying that he defended Imran Khan's visit to Russia, but the PTI responded with allegations against him.


"I ask PTI workers, what kind of leader is he? Taliban had attacked sensitive installations and after them this political terrorist attacked them," he added.

He said that if PTI wanted to do politics in the country, the political people in the party would have to distance themselves from Khan’s narrative.

Bilawal further stated that they had brought coalition partners to the talking table with Imran Khan and PTI, questioning how one can negotiate with terrorists now.

"The court is providing shelter to this person… this has never happened in any era," he added.

He urged the PTI to refrain from violent politics and follow the path of peaceful politics.

Bilawal also called for the eradication of the politics of hatred and division from the country. The foreign minister highlighted that the people of Sindh have shown their confidence in PPP during the local bodies elections.

He added that the local and provincial governments will prioritise improving various sectors, including the health sector, in the province.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2416617/pti-and-bjp-share-common-narrative-bilawal

 

[msb314]

There is nothing to discuss. If 70 years of diplomacy hasn't worked, one more dialogue isn't going to change anything. I am satisied with the status quo - which is minimal/non-existent bilateral relations.

Are you happy with the status quo ?

Not 70 years of diplomacy but 70 years of wars, nuclear threats, division of a country, espionage and terrorism.

Both sides are guilty of the deterioration in relations.

 

[MenInG]

Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari on Thursday told a Senate panel that his visit to India to attend the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation’s (SCO) meeting proved productive and positive for Pakistan.

“As far as the Kashmir issue, bilateral issues between Pakistan and India and the responsibilities of multilateralism are concerned, my conclusion after the trip is that it is productive and positive decision to participate in the event” he said, while briefing the Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs which met here with Senator Farooq H. Naek in the chair.

 

[daytrader]

India move surprises Pakistan, other SCO members
Official says Xi, Putin's lack of confirmation to attend event may be reason to hold it virtually

Pakistan and other members of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) were surprised over the India’s sudden move to host the summit in July virtually instead of in-person.

“It was a surprise for everyone,” said a Foreign Office official reacting to the announcement by New Delhi.

The official, while speaking on the condition of anonymity, told The Express Tribune that Pakistan came to know about the decision through a letter written by India to SCO members including Islamabad on Tuesday.

The official said Pakistan’s initial perception was that India decided not to hold the summit in-person possibly because of the lack of confirmation by Chinese President Xi Jinping and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to attend the event in New Delhi.

If both the Chinese and Russian presidents skipped the summit in-person, that would have been a diplomatic embarrassment for India, according to the official.

This was probably the reason that led New Delhi to hold the summit virtually.

Another source said there could be a Pakistan factor too.

Given what happened in Goa during the meeting of the SCO Council of Foreign Ministers, India might have felt that if the Pakistani prime minister attended the summit in New Delhi, this would overshadow the proceedings of the organisation.

There would have also been a lot of international headlines on whether or not Pakistani and Indian leaders would meet on the sidelines of the summit.

The source added that this was exactly what India wanted to avoid.

Nevertheless, other sources said India’s border tension with China and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine might have also played a role in New Delhi’s decision.

India seemed to be not interested in hosting Russian and Chinese leaders -- the adversaries of the West and the US -- at this juncture.

...
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2419708/india-move-surprises-pakistan-other-sco-members

 

[WicketLord]

Caretaker Foreign Minister (FM) Jalil Abbas Jilani on Wednesday asserted that Pakistan’s ‘positive outreach and peace overtures’, including his predecessor Bilawal Bhutto’s visit to India for the SCO meeting, were met with negativity, ARY News reported.

He was referring to former foreign minister Bilawal Bhutto’s visit to India, wherein he represented Pakistan in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) Council of Foreign Ministers (CFM) meeting held in May 2023.

“Pakistan desires peaceful and cooperative neighborly ties with India,” the foreign minister said while speaking at the Asia Society conference, held on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly session in New York.

“India’s illegal actions in Occupied Jammu and Kashmir and abhorrent human rights violations of innocent Kashmiris at the hands of Indian security forces have further deteriorated relations,” FM Jilani said.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Caretaker Foreign Minister (FM) Jalil Abbas Jilani on Wednesday asserted that Pakistan’s ‘positive outreach and peace overtures’, including his predecessor Bilawal Bhutto’s visit to India for the SCO meeting, were met with negativity, ARY News reported.

He was referring to former foreign minister Bilawal Bhutto’s visit to India, wherein he represented Pakistan in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) Council of Foreign Ministers (CFM) meeting held in May 2023.

“Pakistan desires peaceful and cooperative neighborly ties with India,” the foreign minister said while speaking at the Asia Society conference, held on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly session in New York.

“India’s illegal actions in Occupied Jammu and Kashmir and abhorrent human rights violations of innocent Kashmiris at the hands of Indian security forces have further deteriorated relations,” FM Jilani said.

Indian foreign ministry has indicated several times that Pakistan must stop exporting terrorism from its soil and from the POK. Until that happens, I doubt we are going to see any positive results from these outreach/peace overtures by Pakistan.