Fourth Test between England (669) and India (358 & 425/4) ended in a draw with the hosts leading the five-match series 2-1

[pillionrider]

Brother, I respect you, but we both know that is cap. He is not fairly rated.

The 1st argument that indians on social media portray is that he is a softie and only scores easy runs on flat tracks. Hilarious cause thats Shubman Gill .

Root avg 50 in every country excluding Aus and Dustbowls? Where he still avg 35, 47 and 45 lol.

2nd argument is the avg bit it ignores that his avg has been 58 now for 6 years. It keeps rising and rising which is a rare sight to behold.

Lastly I still dont get how people rate many including Ponting > Him?

Their avg is now extremely similar? And root country record is better? He has more match wins then Ponting as well?

How is he worse then Ponting?

My list has now been upgraded to putting him one spot below dravid and Ponting due to his 100 upping his avg?

He jumped from no 19 to no 13 in my list now?

Very soon he'll reach 5-8?

He isn't fairly rated by any means when people have the audacity to put people like Sanga > him

The softie argument I don't buy. I can't claim to have watched his career fully, cuz I find him boring sorry lol. But I've seen him grit it out and I would never call him a softie.

Some of the criticism has maybe come because of his inability to score big in Australia and against pace bowling that's on fire. Maybe the latter bit is where the softie argument comes from.

No way Sanga is above him btw. But as I've argued before - just wait for a few years after he retires, for his place in history to not be coloured by current sentimentality.

Just as an example, a month back Nasser and Atherton were putting together a combined India-England post-2000s team and he didn't find a spot. KP did. It's not just about runs. This is a sport watched by people. There is only so much credit you can give to the numbers aspect.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah coming back to bowl one over to justify an injury

 

[Technics 1210]

He cannot touch Tendulkar's legacy in ODIs... Tendulkar is more popular in ODIs... So Tendulkar's legacy will remain as long as ODI format is alive and will end up being ODI Batting Legend after the demise of ODI format... Even Test Format is going to die if England lose interest and their Ashes engagement (India may eventually lose interest in this format and play lesser tests - like back to 3 tests, if they don't remain competitive...)

Just like nobody can touch Bradman in Tests, same thing goes with Sachin in ODIs, it is like Mount Everest...

Even in tests I hope Joe Root doesn't fall off in the race like England tried with Alastair Cook... Hopefully he can maintain his form for another 2 years... There is always a danger of bad form or injury... That's why I always felt Bazball was a part of England's plan in helping out Joe Root...

Insecure much?

Clearly we're talking about Tests and in particular the record.

Don't you dare try and befoul Roots legacy with your subjective and bias opinions.

 

[mominsaigol]

The softie argument I don't buy. I can't claim to have watched his career fully, cuz I find him boring sorry lol. But I've seen him grit it out and I would never call him a softie.

Some of the criticism has maybe come because of his inability to score big in Australia and against pace bowling that's on fire. Maybe the latter bit is where the softie argument comes from.

No way Sanga is above him btw. But as I've argued before - just wait for a few years after he retires, for his place in history to not be coloured by current sentimentality.

Just as an example, a month back Nasser and Atherton were putting together a combined India-England post-2000s team and he didn't find a spot. KP did. It's not just about runs. This is a sport watched by people. There is only so much credit you can give to the numbers aspect.

What legends think is irrelevant. This fallacy needs to stop. Its the most irritating argument.

Ramiz Raja said Babar = Don Bradman, Anil Kumble said Rizwan top 3 batsmen in the world, Ponting said BGT > Ashes despite Pat Cummins and all of Australia saying Lolololololol and finding Ponting's comment imsulting. Secondly the reason root didnt find a place is cause no 4 spot is for sachin at present while KP is undoubtedly the best no 5. Name one good Indian no 5?

Laxman was so bad he shoved to no 6 lol.

And wdym by finding him boring? His sr is higher then Sachin and Steve smith with ponting having a sr of 58 while root has a sr of 57

 

[Ahmed216]

Two GOATs bowling in tandem. Both struggling to reach the crease

 

[Devadwal]

Seem like wannabe people are missing me here. To those such people's i joined the my training yesterday so I'm not free like you all the time from now onwards.

 

[pillionrider]

What legends think is irrelevant. This fallacy needs to stop. Its the most irritating argument.

Ramiz Raja said Babar = Don Bradman, Anil Kumble said Rizwan top 3 batsmen in the world, Ponting said BGT > Ashes despite Pat Cummins and all of Australia saying Lolololololol and finding Ponting's comment imsulting. Secondly the reason root didnt find a place is cause no 4 spot is for sachin at present while KP is undoubtedly the best no 5. Name one good Indian no 5?

Laxman was so bad he shoved to no 6 lol.

And wdym by finding him boring? His sr is higher then Sachin and Steve smith with ponting having a sr of 58 while root has a sr of 57

Nah he could have gotten to 3 if they really wanted to rate him above Dravid.

As far as the boring thing - I think you're relying on numbers too much.

 

[Devadwal]

India is likely to lose this test match. Bowling is huge disappointed in this test.

 

[Ahmed216]

Bottom-heavy Bumrah reminds me of James Pattinson from Australia.

 

[pillionrider]

That's why I always felt Bazball was a part of England's plan in helping out Joe Root...

I thought it almost ruined his game when he was trying reverse scoops (which he did successfully btw enough times). At some point he stopped trying to compete with the Stokes moviestar hype and focused on his game instead.

What Bazball might have done is ruin Brook in test cricket, though he might just come out unscathed.

 

[mominsaigol]

Nah he could have gotten to 3 if they really wanted to rate him above Dravid.

As far as the boring thing - I think you're relying on numbers too much.

No he couldn't. Sports analysts always rate based of the no that they played most at. They aren't thinking along randomised no of lines. The argument of KP vs Root is poor by default.

The numbers not only prove you're wrong and just implementing subjective bias but even qualitatively everyone knows that root was the first person to adapt stokes's Bazzball approach.

He is not as fast as duckett, Brooks as his job isnt to dash but he is by far faster then Williamson, Steve Smith and many other top batters of this era.

Sachin's innings in Pakistan alongside Sunny's innings in test are historically rated as the most boring test centuries of all time? So no clue what you are on about other then subjective bias.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Score is 444/4

 

[mominsaigol]

Score is 444/4

It'll be hilarious if England reach 800. But they won't. 600-700 round about

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Score is 444/4

And four people also missing from this thread, soon they would be five

 

[Justcrazy]

450 runs for England.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys please no more off topic stuff, thanks

 

[RamLakhan]

Lol, Kohli is miles > Sachin. That myth has been busted.

Kphli has shattered every single record excluding no of runs which is matches dependant and playing 464 odi is impossible in this era.

But no one cares, Kohli scored the most runs in a single edition of a cup, has performed in every cup excluding finals but he fixed that by winning CT. Sachin meanwhile was irrelevant in 2011 like Kohli who was a youngsters at the time was.

Yuvi and Dhoni won it. Excluding Pakistan where he was dropped 4x and stumping missed 2x, his 2 centuries led to one loss and one tie for india in group stages.

Sachin has been surpassed by Miles. Viv Richards is more of an untouchable god in odi then sachin is since his status like Bradman is being >>>>> everyone in every metric for his era.

The debate in odi is between Kohli and Viv, Sachin is a tier below.

This sachin nonsense needs to end. He was the pinnacle of test excluding Bradman but that myth is being torn apart by Steve Smith in terms of avg and country performance and Joe root in terms of runs

People look at overall package to frame their God! You are bringing every peice here... Viv Richards for S/R and effectiveness, Kohli for average (he came in extreme batting friendly era, So you should appreciate Sachin's longevity - playing from teenage), and then Steve Smith/Joe Root combination in tests...

So Sachin will remain the God of Cricket... (Because nobody else generated so much interest for the game - the masses in India... And the way BCCI grew bigger & bigger...) Bradman & Richards will be considered as sages because they are seniors to Sachin, rest are just demigods/associates who have selected powers...

 

[Ahmed216]

India is likely to lose this test match. Bowling is huge disappointed in this test.

What made you think India will win this series 4-1?

 

[TheSultan]

He cannot touch Tendulkar's legacy in ODIs... Tendulkar is more popular in ODIs... So Tendulkar's legacy will remain as long as ODI format is alive and will end up being ODI Batting Legend after the demise of ODI format... Even Test Format is going to die if England lose interest and their Ashes engagement (India may eventually lose interest in this format and play lesser tests - like back to 3 tests, if they don't remain competitive...)

Just like nobody can touch Bradman in Tests, same thing goes with Sachin in ODIs, it is like Mount Everest...

Even in tests I hope Joe Root doesn't fall off in the race like England tried with Alastair Cook... Hopefully he can maintain his form for another 2 years... There is always a danger of bad form or injury... That's why I always felt Bazball was a part of England's plan in helping out Joe Root...

When all is lost, out pops the “oh oh but ODIs”. 3/4 of the ODIs in the 90s were inconsequential showpieces for the bookies to make as much money as possible

 

[mominsaigol]

People look at overall package to frame their God! You are bringing every peice here... Viv Richards for S/R and effectiveness, Kohli for average (he came in extreme batting friendly era, So you should appreciate Sachin's longevity - playing from teenage), and then Steve Smith/Joe Root combination in tests...

So Sachin will remain the God of Cricket... (Because nobody else generated so much interest for the game - the masses in India... And the way BCCI grew bigger & bigger...) Bradman & Richards will be considered as sages because they are seniors to Sachin, rest are just demigods/associates who have selected powers...

People look at overall package to frame their God

Yes which is what you are doing.

So Sachin will remain the God of Cricket... (Because nobody else generated so much interest for the game - the masses in India... And the way BCCI grew bigger & bigger...) Bradman & Richards will be considered as sages because they are seniors to Sachin, rest are just demigods/associates who have selected powers...

I'm santa Clause.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bring Washington Sundar in.

 

[Ahmed216]

Softy stat paddler Temu Tendulkar to out within 5 over next morning .

Tomorrow morning may be

 

[mominsaigol]

Probably the funniest argument on PP

Sachin the celestial while everyone else the Avengers .

No comment. Theirs stupid and then theirs .......

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What made you think India will win this series 4-1?

Overconfidence, which is quite common in Gen Z Indians these days.

 

[mominsaigol]

@Wasim Ghulam Stokes Myth busted as well.

Arguments 0

 

[oatmeal]

criminal by Gill to underbowl Sundar when he got success.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Softy stat paddler Temu Tendulkar to out within 5 over next morning .

Root has an average of almost 60 against India. Are you trying to insult Indian bowling?

 

[Devadwal]

So Fraud overhyped tullebaaz brook failed but wannabe and Abdul are hyping him so much

 

[Devadwal]

Temu Tendulkar is lucky

 

[Justcrazy]

England led 100 runs now.

Root batting on 132 now , he will be eyeing a big one here.

 

[oatmeal]

Gambhir would select 11 bits and pieces players if he could

 

[mominsaigol]

Me: I think its time to admit that root is catching upto Tenda

Indians: Never

 

[Rajdeep]

Where's @Rajdeep . Seems to have gone AWOL.

Good that you are missing me but lots of customer in Tesco. No time sorry

 

[oatmeal]

Quiet 2 overs, batsmen may try to up the ante and there can be wickets when they do that

 

[mominsaigol]

Root 17 runs away from 150. Goat batting

 

[mominsaigol]

Root genuinely needs to target 200. I doubt he'll get 300 though

 

[Devadwal]

Tomorrow morning may be

like your and wannabe fans prediction of England to win 2nd test and Series with 4-0/50

 

[mominsaigol]

Out of all Tests, this one has easily been the best. Every myth has been exposed. True colors have been exposed and indians are either quiet or trolling .

Such a great feeling lol.

 

[Ahmed216]

like your and wannabe fans prediction of England to win 2nd test and Series with 4-0/50

English please

 

[Rajdeep]

The funny thing is @Bhaag Viru Bhaag dont want us to post here in this forum and call us hypocrites for posting here.

However, suddenly he is missing us today questioning why we are not posting just because India is losing.

And apparently he is an Indian.

 

[mominsaigol]

English please

Hinglish only.

 

[mominsaigol]

Stokes gets his 50, Mighty Mighty England

 

[oatmeal]

600 is possible by close of play today.

 

[mominsaigol]

Stokes on 52.

Aus humiliated India, England broke them. End of the road for Ghambir and end of the road for the bumrah mythos

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

If this fraud id*ot jadeja is india best spinner then god save india test cricket when has he ever won india any game outside india

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys thread ban coming for some, and it will last for 2 hours. Beware

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Stokes on 52.

Aus humiliated India, England broke them. End of the road for Ghambir and end of the road for the bumrah mythos

They deserve this tbh they were on cloud 9 should know their real worth now

 

[The Bald Eagle]

100 up for Jadeja

 

[Ahmed216]

If this fraud id*ot jadeja is india best spinner then god save india test cricket when has he ever won india any game outside india

Let him score a 50 and Indians will start projecting him as GOAT all-rounder.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If this fraud id*ot jadeja is india best spinner then god save india test cricket when has he ever won india any game outside india

Can't blame him too much. He ain't that type of bowler and no Indian spinner in recent history is capable of winning games abroad. Even Ashwin was usually dropped.

Blame goes to the think tank for not selecting Kuldeep too and sacrificing an all rounder. They have taken same approach as Pakistan LOI side and not went for specialist spinner.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Scored a ton in 1st Test at Leeds.

yeah felt like forever tbh....went missing in the next 2 tests

 

[mominsaigol]

Guys thread ban coming for some, and it will last for 2 hours. Beware

@Ahmed216 and @Bhaag Viru Bhaag

Press the ignore button, its given me peace, dont get this thread banned as im enjoying this game immensely.

Also @The Bald Eagle You need to step in and seriously stop such comments. If not ban then restrictions.

Notice how the threads have been calm before guilty party showed up. It should give you an idea of why people including me get violent in threads.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Let him score a 50 and Indians will start projecting him as GOAT all-rounder.

I mean even yasir shah has won pakistan games in england and yasir wasn't that good away from uae but sill won games in england compare to jadeja who has zero impact in england

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@Ahmed216 and @Bhaag Viru Bhaag

Press the ignore button, its given me peace, dont get this thread banned as im enjoying this game immensely.

Also @The Bald Eagle You need to step in and seriously stop such comments. If not ban then restrictions.

Notice how the threads have been calm before guilty party showed up. It should give you an idea of why people including me get violent in threads.

Guys you all need to calm down, any nuisance maker now will be banned temporarily.

 

[oatmeal]

Stokes has decided to go for it

 

[Human786]

Guys thread ban coming for some, and it will last for 2 hours. Beware

just 2 hours

 

[Human786]

wonder if Eng would like to bowl 5-7 overs today ... Day 5 might be wet !!!

 

[oatmeal]

Hope Stokes doesnt injure himself

 

[mominsaigol]

Century from stokes will be cherry on top

 

[mominsaigol]

Jadeja is the biggest fraud(bowling wise, batting wise hes good)

Crap and garbage bowler. All his supporters deserve the walk of shame.

 

[sweep_shot]

Root is on 144*.

ENG - 491/4.

 

[sweep_shot]

When should England declare? I think they should bat till an hour before Day 4 Tea.

Give England 4.5 sessions to bowl India out.

 

[mominsaigol]

England need to pick up the pace now. Dont settle for a 150 to 200 lead. Outbat india to the point that its either a win or a draw

 

[kingusama92]

Forgettable stuff from India.

This Kamboj bowler is a true trundler, where’s Harshit Rana? That guy looked better.

Same with Thakur and his trundling.

 

[sweep_shot]

Stokes is retired hurt.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Test is headed for a draw.

Immense confidence you have on Indian batting. India has to be careful otherwise it might lead to an innings defeat.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Stokes is retired hurt.

I don't think it's serious. Probably wants to unleash Smith and declare.

 

[sweep_shot]

Root has gone past Ponting, Dravid, and Kallis.

He is now #2 for most Test runs (right behind Tendulkar).

 

[neonoir]

Stokes doing the admirable thing by coming off whilst injured

If he was Indian he would have gotten a full body massage with a "happy ending" all whilst being on the field

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't think it's serious. Probably wants to unleash Smith and declare.

Yeah. Most likely.

He needs to bowl too. I guess he is preserving his energy.

 

[mominsaigol]

Stokes is retired hurt.

Will probably come back tmr, besides blessing in disguise, we need Jamie smith bashing now. England need to speed up

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The funny thing is @Bhaag Viru Bhaag dont want us to post here in this forum and call us hypocrites for posting here.

However, suddenly he is missing us today questioning why we are not posting just because India is losing.

And apparently he is an Indian.

So you have stopped posting and retired? My apologies for bothering you then.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Haha Stokes got tired off bashing India. He will be back when India takes 3rd new ball to bash Bumrah

 

[batandballbattle]

stokes going off, think it might have been one of the sweeps that aggravated something

 

[sweep_shot]

Lead is now worth 140 runs.

Keep on batting.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Ponting questioning India's captaincy

 

[Human786]

Stokes reportedly has cramps , best English bowler in this series surprisingly ... 498/8 - 18 overs left .

 

[oatmeal]

I don't think it's serious. Probably wants to unleash Smith and declare.

If its just cramps it should be ok. But if its hamstring, then thats not a good sign for england

 

[Human786]

Ponting questioning India's captaincy

Gill is relatively inexperienced , Gambhir on the other hand is a complete duffer !