General Asim Munir promoted to rank of Field Marshal [Update@ Post#662]

[Stewie]

Firstly doesn’t matter what is said on social media or what the populist sentiment is.

Just for your information, Indian regime (BJP or congress) had relatively better relations with Iran regime over the last few decades compared to Pakistan. Do your own research and get back to me on this if you want . Yes Pakistanis obviously hate Israel despite not being able to locate it on an map and Iran is a Muslim country so I can understand the sentimental support but only utility for Pakistan in this conflict is its geo-location. That’s about it.

Empowering the current Iran regime and making it stronger also in the long run may come back to bite Pakistan. I don’t want to get into that because it becomes more of a theological battle.

I would say instead of listening to “Indian propaganda” and even worse “Pakistani analysis” by experts who sound like they walked out of Lahore intentional diplomassi convention and lack total depth, use your own brains and logic and figure it out instead of the same stale rhetoric (if you have the capability)

I’m sorry but you and your country lost all credibility during the recent conflict, with our ridiculous Star Wars style claims. I would take a Lahore expert over a Bombay or Delhi idiot to be quite honest.

 

[Stewie]

Firstly doesn’t matter what is said on social media or what the populist sentiment is.

Just for your information, Indian regime (BJP or congress) had relatively better relations with Iran regime over the last few decades compared to Pakistan. Do your own research and get back to me on this if you want . Yes Pakistanis obviously hate Israel despite not being able to locate it on an map and Iran is a Muslim country so I can understand the sentimental support but only utility for Pakistan in this conflict is its geo-location. That’s about it.

Empowering the current Iran regime and making it stronger also in the long run may come back to bite Pakistan. I don’t want to get into that because it becomes more of a theological battle.

I would say instead of listening to “Indian propaganda” and even worse “Pakistani analysis” by experts who sound like they walked out of Lahore intentional diplomassi convention and lack total depth, use your own brains and logic and figure it out instead of the same stale rhetoric (if you have the capability)

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/pakistan-fears-militants-will-thrive-restive-border-if-iran-destabilised-2025-06-19/

— Lekan bharati hamein batten gay what is our government thinking or doing, LOL!

no wonder their brains are all scrambled after watching their clown media 24/7

 

[Stewie]

Muneer is a shameless simp for Trump.

He has no sense of patriotism or duty, just desperate for raw naked power. Gross.

This is how the world is right now. Netanyahoo, Trump, modi, Putin, Asim muneer, they are all different angles of the same picture and rather unfortunate they are running the show

 

[mazkhan]

Bewal why are you living in the UK the birth and creation of zion and israel.

Shouldn't you be moving to waziristan where ptis armed wing the the ttp is based

 

[Bewal Express]

Bewal why are you living in the UK the birth and creation of zion and israel.

Shouldn't you be moving to waziristan where ptis armed wing the the ttp is based

I know you are scared to debate but you can tag me in properly.

This sort pathetic diversion doesn't work. I am not in charge of a Nuclear state that was made to look like a total chump by Trump. So once again what has he agreed to? Will Munir secretly give bases to the Americans? Will he give them routes for their special ops through Balochistan? Will he give their insurgents more wepons or Air space?
Munir will do anything to stay in power but PK cant afford it. As with the American invasion of Afghanistan, the Americans will eventually leave, Munir will die but PK will have to pick up the pieces.
Trump does not respect losers like Munir that are meek and weak. More and more, you see why the Foreign powers wanted IK out. They wanted these puppets installed

 

[mazkhan]

Munir is going to do a trade deal with usa

And one of the things on the card is the rare earth minerals.

You see trump respects power and they have to respect power because india got whipped hard by pakistan because they wanted to do what they are doing to iran to pakistan via india through operation sandhoor but it all backfired after the chitrol of the indians and the usa eventually realising indians are of no military use anymore because they can't win against a crippled bankrupt pakistan and forget about them being a containment against China who in war would roll these indians over in no time

 

[LordJames]

Munir is going to do a trade deal with usa

And one of the things on the card is the rare earth minerals.

You see trump respects power and they have to respect power because india got whipped hard by pakistan because they wanted to do what they are doing to iran to pakistan via india through operation sandhoor but it all backfired after the chitrol of the indians and the usa eventually realising indians are of no military use anymore because they can't win against a crippled bankrupt pakistan and forget about them being a containment against China who in war would roll these indians over in no time

Negative!

Asim Munir doesn't need to go to US for a Trade deal.

The only possible leverage is to provide bases to US against Afghanistan and China and ensuring that Pakistan Army provides protection to US bases.

I have no evidence for either the trade deal or bases but it is unlikely that it was about trade deal because it is trivial.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

People are too pessimistic.

I can guarantee it that no matter how strong or weak an army chief, and no matter what pressure is put on them by Americans, Pakistan will never take action to support Israel or allow America to support Israel via Pakistan.

Never

And we have a good relationship with Iran now too.

Yes Munir acted and is continuing to act improperly with PTI and Imran; however, his stance with regard to external threats has been spot on.

 

[LordJames]

People are too pessimistic.

I can guarantee it that no matter how strong or weak an army chief, and no matter what pressure is put on them by Americans, Pakistan will never take action to support Israel or allow America to support Israel via Pakistan.

Never

And we have a good relationship with Iran now too.

Yes Munir acted and is continuing to act improperly with PTI and Imran; however, his stance with regard to external threats has been spot on.

Israel, yes due to public and backlash from within the Army.

America, No because of CIA infiltration at every level and Green Card (to generals).

I hope and pray that you are right but 70+ years of history is against your analysis on Pakistan military and America

 

[Bewal Express]

Munir is going to do a trade deal with usa

And one of the things on the card is the rare earth minerals.

You see trump respects power and they have to respect power because india got whipped hard by pakistan because they wanted to do what they are doing to iran to pakistan via india through operation sandhoor but it all backfired after the chitrol of the indians and the usa eventually realising indians are of no military use anymore because they can't win against a crippled bankrupt pakistan and forget about them being a containment against China who in war would roll these indians over in no time

They want our rare earth minerals for free by using the establishment as fronts and offering commissions. IK fought to rescind the Reko Diq after the establishment messed up and cost PK billions in fines. And as soon as he had done the hard yards he was illegally overthrown and then the establishment sold (or attempted to) the mines to Saudi for a pittance. Establishment aren't loyal to PK, they are loyal to their own familes and their bank accounts.
@mazkhan what happened to the $100bn Munir brought into PK through his SIFC

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Israel, yes due to public and backlash from within the Army.

America, No because of CIA infiltration at every level and Green Card (to generals).

I hope and pray that you are right but 70+ years of history is against your analysis on Pakistan military and America

Brother within that 70 years there is also support to anti American movements in Afghanistan, total support towards China.

Trump is different to other US presidents. He won't play the game of pretending to talk to the PM while knowing the army chief is in power. He doesn't do the political niceties and BS protocols. He just cut out the middle man and went straight to the decision maker.

This visit of course involved discussion about Iran but it also served as a slap to India, it is mainly positive.

 

[Savak]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935537366040564143

Haqqani is very well connected in the Pentagon, CIA, State Department, Centcom. He knows the game too well. PTI and Pakistani American's are too shareef and wasted so much time, money on lobbying with small actors (who themselves knew they had very little influence to help them but they were smart enough to us PTI and Pakistani American's for votes, money selling them what they wanted to hear). Let's not forget the Pakistani Army's and Sharif's influence in the UK, Middle East especially Saudi Arabia, UAE and their influence in China. PPP too knows how to lobby, network in the US with the right people.

Also i didn't see PTI or the Pakistani overseas population do any sort of big time lobbying in UK, EU, Middle East, China. America alone does not make decisions when it comes to Pakistan, it consults Saudi Arabia in particular.

The biggest mistake PTI and Pakistani American's did was to be very vocal and public with their lobbying efforts whereas the Pakistani Establishment, Sharif's, Bhuttos, Zardari's keep their mouth shut and do their jobs silently without revealing their cards.

Sadly a bit of king making is required when it comes to politics and PTI's support base does not have it yet. It will take them a good 30-40 years perhaps to learn these realities.

 

[Savak]

Yes it's the PTI in America's fault that the Americans prefer criminals as PK leaders. The reality is that the Generals can offer too much to the Americans that no one else can offer. The PK vote wouldn't have made any difference when the margins of Trumps victory were so big

That's the problem, its very telling where the US congressmen, senators and President feels they can get away with pissing on the sentiments of the Pakistani American supporters. They would not have dared do this to the Indian lobby or American Jews who have the institutional, numerical and financial muscle to inflict various forms of damage at the ballot.

 

[LordJames]

They want our rare earth minerals for free by using the establishment as fronts and offering commissions. IK fought to rescind the Reko Diq after the establishment messed up and cost PK billions in fines. And as soon as he had done the hard yards he was illegally overthrown and then the establishment sold (or attempted to) the mines to Saudi for a pittance. Establishment aren't loyal to PK, they are loyal to their own familes and their bank accounts.
@mazkhan what happened to the $100bn Munir brought into PK through his SIFC

Haqqani is very well connected in the Pentagon, CIA, State Department, Centcom. He knows the game too well. PTI and Pakistani American's are too shareef and wasted so much time, money on lobbying with small actors (who themselves knew they had very little influence to help them but they were smart enough to us PTI and Pakistani American's for votes, money selling them what they wanted to hear). Let's not forget the Pakistani Army's and Sharif's influence in the UK, Middle East especially Saudi Arabia, UAE and their influence in China. PPP too knows how to lobby, network in the US with the right people.

Also i didn't see PTI or the Pakistani overseas population do any sort of big time lobbying in UK, EU, Middle East, China. America alone does not make decisions when it comes to Pakistan, it consults Saudi Arabia in particular.

The biggest mistake PTI and Pakistani American's did was to be very vocal and public with their lobbying efforts whereas the Pakistani Establishment, Sharif's, Bhuttos, Zardari's keep their mouth shut and do their jobs silently without revealing their cards.

Sadly a bit of king making is required when it comes to politics and PTI's support base does not have it yet. It will take them a good 30-40 years perhaps to learn these realities.

Brother within that 70 years there is also support to anti American movements in Afghanistan, total support towards China.

Trump is different to other US presidents. He won't play the game of pretending to talk to the PM while knowing the army chief is in power. He doesn't do the political niceties and BS protocols. He just cut out the middle man and went straight to the decision maker.

This visit of course involved discussion about Iran but it also served as a slap to India, it is mainly positive.

The CIA always finds it better to deal with Military dictator then civilian Governments e.g. Indonesia, Turkiye, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, countries in the America etc

Pakistani military is rotten and corrupt to the core and easily buckle to either enticement or enforcement. The mighty Musharaaf folded like a paper tiger and the country paid for it with 80,000+ dead and still lifting coffin. The mighty military disowned their own "Taliban" and not only disowned them wrote books that they never owned them!

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE WATCH YOUR POSTS...

 

[Mamoon]

Indians and PTI supporters are burning in equal capacity. General Munir is a daring man. He has made the world respect Pakistan again.

 

[Pakpak]

Guys you're being silly. He had heard of our great Field Marshall and thought he'd just had to invite him for a personal lunch. The US President has nothing else to do, not like he's busy. I even heard he wanted Munir's autograph! Can you believe it?

I can't believe people here think the US, especially Trump, would ever invite our Field Marshall to put pressure on him or get favours in the current war. The US has never done this, it is not known for this duplitious behavior nor has Trump ever done this.

Why can't everyone accept our Field Marshall is the greatest general since Napeloan in the last 2 hundred years? Damn deluded Youthias.

 

[IronShield]

Indians and PTI supporters are burning in equal capacity. General Munir is a daring man. He has made the world respect Pakistan again.

when is he due for retirement?

 

[RexRex]

Indians and PTI supporters are burning in equal capacity. General Munir is a daring man. He has made the world respect Pakistan again.

Trump requires submission and who better than Munir to showcase it.

 

[IronShield]

You are over severly estimating Pakistan's abilities here. If anything he promised not to allow help to get through to Iran. US doesn't need Pakistani bases, nor do they want to place their assets at fixed land based targets with Iran's proven ability to penetrate the US and Israeli missile defences. They can launch attacks from their carriers and keep moving.

The two week window is also to get the carriers in place.

 

[Mamoon]

Trump requires submission and who better than Munir to showcase it.

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That’s a nice picture, but you forgot the lassi, a beautiful concoction of Indian and PTI supporters’ tears.

 

[Mamoon]

when is he due for retirement?

He will serve until 2027 at the very least, but I hope he stays as long as his health allows because after a very long time, Pakistan have had a daring general like him at the helm who doesn’t allow anyone to mess with Pakistan and is a true patriot who protects national interests.

 

[Mamoon]

Trump respects power. He is witness to Pakistan humiliating India and exposing its self-created image of an emerging superpower. No wonder Indian media is burning like hot coal.

 

[Mamoon]

As far as PTI supporters are concerned, this is a kick in the gut for them as well.

They thought Trump respects Imran Khan and would put pressure on the Pakistan government to release him, but it is clear that he couldn’t care less about him and has joined hands with the person who destroyed Imran.

Imran has become a completely irrelevant, forgotten figure.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Guys you're being silly. He had heard of our great Field Marshall and thought he'd just had to invite him for a personal lunch. The US President has nothing else to do, not like he's busy. I even heard he wanted Munir's autograph! Can you believe it?

I can't believe people here think the US, especially Trump, would ever invite our Field Marshall to put pressure on him or get favours in the current war. The US has never done this, it is not known for this duplitious behavior nor has Trump ever done this.

Why can't everyone accept our Field Marshall is the greatest general since Napeloan in the last 2 hundred years? Damn deluded Youthias.

It is normal for country's to invite people and push for their agenda.

However the assumption by many is that Munir simply rolled over and there have been many fantasies concocted and peddled when in reality nobody knows the truth of the meeting. Those that are against the military are just making up stories and patting themselves on the back.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Trump respects power. He is witness to Pakistan humiliating India and exposing its self-created image of an emerging superpower. No wonder Indian media is burning like hot coal.

Common consensus is the hits to Nur Khan base rubbed Trump the wrong way. Until then, the US maintained distance from this conflict.

 

[JaDed]

Imran has become a completely irrelevant, forgotten figure.

Which isn't a great thing, but atleast Pakistani Establishment is back to being loved , the goal of the skirmish was achieved by Field Marshal.

 

[Bewal Express]

That's the problem, its very telling where the US congressmen, senators and President feels they can get away with pissing on the sentiments of the Pakistani American supporters. They would not have dared do this to the Indian lobby or American Jews who have the institutional, numerical and financial muscle to inflict various forms of damage at the ballot.

Its about the $$$$$. You show the wonga, you get heard

 

[IronShield]

Common consensus is the hits to Nur Khan base rubbed Trump the wrong way. Until then, the US maintained distance from this conflict.

Don't forget this was you during and few days after the war... No lights, no fan .....

 

[LordJames]

As far as PTI supporters are concerned, this is a kick in the gut for them as well.

They thought Trump respects Imran Khan and would put pressure on the Pakistan government to release him, but it is clear that he couldn’t care less about him and has joined hands with the person who destroyed Imran.

Imran has become a completely irrelevant, forgotten figure.

American Government or Trump (or Biden/Harris) were never going to put pressure on Pakistani military to release Imran Khan, that's a folly of PTI (in Pakistan and overseas). CIA & Pentagon will have a big say in US Foreign policy and Pakistani military are always the useful idiots.

What would have affected US Foreign Policy (based on CIA input) would have been massive public protests and uprising against the military and it never happened inside Pakistan. John Mersheimer has spoken about it and CIA are wary and burnt from what happened in Iran so they were terrified of events repeating in Pakistan against their stooges (Pakistani military).

PTI was never able to convert feelings and sentiments into massive public civil disobedience. The Pakistani military was weak (and it played its hands well) gained time and slowly and surely it tightened its grip on the levers of Pakistan hand in hand with crooks (like Sharif, Zardari etc) and now it has tight control.

Putting Imran Khan in prison and cutting him off from leadership was a Israeli style masterstroke by the Generals, they cut Imran Khan off and then picked off others one by one through bribe, coercion, torture or whatever and there is nobody left!

It is now extremely difficult but not impossible to rise against Military dictatorship and PTI keeps shooting itself in the foot. The people of Pakistan kept on coming and kept on responding but PTI kept sabotaging its own protests (delays, cancellation etc), the last time when Pakistani military shot citizens in cold blood (in Islamabad) was the closest Pakistani citizens came to changing the destiny of their country.

However, PTI and Imran Khan are/were probably the last chance Allah Ta'ala for course correction peacefully and to change the trajectory of the country, the feelings of people have not changed and now it will take blood.

The common people of Pakistan are sick of their country, all its systems (military included), the nepotism, the corruption, the lack of merit not only continuing but getting worse. The entire elections were stolen from people and there will come a time when the Generals will be hanging on lampposts! A large number of skilled Pakistanees have already left or want to leave (and doing it everyday) its an alarming rate of human capital flight from Pakistan.

The generals tried the same script and same tactics with Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and lost half of the country by suppressing Imran Khan & PTI they have jeopardized the future of Pakistan.

1. No amount of PL-15 or J10C can hide structural issues with Pakistan
2. No amount of meetings with Trump can hide that every single meaningful metric is trending in the opposite direction
3. No amount of (Government) TikTok can hide that most skilled Pakistanees are desperate to leave!

When you don't allow people to peacefully have their way, they will impose their will on you with blood.

 

[Savak]

American Government or Trump (or Biden/Harris) were never going to put pressure on Pakistani military to release Imran Khan, that's a folly of PTI (in Pakistan and overseas). CIA & Pentagon will have a big say in US Foreign policy and Pakistani military are always the useful idiots.

What would have affected US Foreign Policy (based on CIA input) would have been massive public protests and uprising against the military and it never happened inside Pakistan. John Mersheimer has spoken about it and CIA are wary and burnt from what happened in Iran so they were terrified of events repeating in Pakistan against their stooges (Pakistani military).

PTI was never able to convert feelings and sentiments into massive public civil disobedience. The Pakistani military was weak (and it played its hands well) gained time and slowly and surely it tightened its grip on the levers of Pakistan hand in hand with crooks (like Sharif, Zardari etc) and now it has tight control.

Putting Imran Khan in prison and cutting him off from leadership was a Israeli style masterstroke by the Generals, they cut Imran Khan off and then picked off others one by one through bribe, coercion, torture or whatever and there is nobody left!

It is now extremely difficult but not impossible to rise against Military dictatorship and PTI keeps shooting itself in the foot. The people of Pakistan kept on coming and kept on responding but PTI kept sabotaging its own protests (delays, cancellation etc), the last time when Pakistani military shot citizens in cold blood (in Islamabad) was the closest Pakistani citizens came to changing the destiny of their country.

However, PTI and Imran Khan are/were probably the last chance Allah Ta'ala for course correction peacefully and to change the trajectory of the country, the feelings of people have not changed and now it will take blood.

The common people of Pakistan are sick of their country, all its systems (military included), the nepotism, the corruption, the lack of merit not only continuing but getting worse. The entire elections were stolen from people and there will come a time when the Generals will be hanging on lampposts! A large number of skilled Pakistanees have already left or want to leave (and doing it everyday) its an alarming rate of human capital flight from Pakistan.

The generals tried the same script and same tactics with Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and lost half of the country by suppressing Imran Khan & PTI they have jeopardized the future of Pakistan.

1. No amount of PL-15 or J10C can hide structural issues with Pakistan
2. No amount of meetings with Trump can hide that every single meaningful metric is trending in the opposite direction
3. No amount of (Government) TikTok can hide that most skilled Pakistanees are desperate to leave!

When you don't allow people to peacefully have their way, they will impose their will on you with blood.

Tbh what has happened to PTI and IK is a classic cautionary tale of what happens when the fortunes of the entire party is strictly dependent on one person i.e. IK. And to be honest IK's own judgement is questionable with regards to his choices i.e. Usman Buzdar, Ali Amin Gandapur, Barrister Gohar and other previous turn coats like Asad Umar, Fawad Chaudhry. The reality is PTI the party is filled with parasites and they are no different from other parties. Also i have heard horror stories about corruption in KPK under Gandapur.

Wajahat Saeed Khan correctly advised in his vlog i.e. if PTI, PTI supporters and the Pakistani population does not have the stomach for a violent uprising Iran 1979 style against the status quo, then IK should accept these ground realities, strike a deal and compromise and live to fight another day, remain part of the system, re-organize the party, get some rest, come back refreshed, go about his charity endeavours and play the long game patiently.