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General Asim Munir promoted to rank of Field Marshal [Update@ Post#662]

Munir is far from ideal. I hate his views like educated people leaving country isn't a shameful brain drain, the fact that they have made maryam with zero credentials face of pakistan's biggest province who is driving her agendas, similarly I hate the fact that they have ambushed judges so much that this has gone beyond kangroo courts.

But, he is far better than utmost corrupt bajwa who was also inept and a coward.

Previously, bajwa sb ruled for 7 years -now its AM. Clearly, AM is miles better than bajwa
I have been hearing this argument from people of Pakistan for decades that at least X is better than Y. Its time to disown this system, military rule is an impediment to progress in Pakistan and it doesn't matter if you get General A being better.

The country will go nowhere!

Pakistan has already lost half of it due to Generals, at what cost will the people of Pakistan put their hand up and say "No more!"
 
I have been hearing this argument from people of Pakistan for decades that at least X is better than Y. Its time to disown this system, military rule is an impediment to progress in Pakistan and it doesn't matter if you get General A being better.

The country will go nowhere!

Pakistan has already lost half of it due to Generals, at what cost will the people of Pakistan put their hand up and say "No more!"

Politicians are not good enough.
 
Pakistan's Asim Munir threatens India again, rekindles Kashmir issue


Pakistani Army Chief Asim Munir on Saturday claimed that India had made two unprovoked attacks, terming it a troubling absence of strategic foresight.

Speaking at the Pakistan Naval Academy in Karachi, Munir blamed India for escalating regional tensions and vowed a decisive response to any future Indian aggression. He further called Pakistan a "net regional stabiliser," claiming that Islamabad had responded "resolutely" to "unprovoked" Indian military aggression.

He further called Pakistan a "net regional stabiliser," claiming that Islamabad had responded "resolutely" to "unprovoked" Indian military aggression.

"Despite provocations, Pakistan displayed restraint and maturity, reaffirming its commitment to regional peace," he said.

Munir claimed that India deliberately created tension in the region just as Pakistan was nearing the elimination of terrorism.

In the address, Munir once again brought up Kashmir, claiming that "at such a time, we must remember the sacrifices of our Kashmiri brothers who are struggling against India’s illegal occupation."

“Pakistan is a strong advocate for a just resolution of the Kashmir issue in accordance with United Nations resolutions and the aspirations of the Kashmiri people,”
he added.

Munir had termed Kashmir as Pakistan's 'jugular vein' just days before the horrific Pahalgam terror attack that killed 26 civilians.

"Kashmir is our jugular vein; it will remain our jugular vein; we will not forget it," Munir had said, addressing the Pakistani diaspora abroad.

In response to the deadly attack, India put the Indus Waters Treaty on hold, a decisive blow to its neighbour. This was followed by the launch of Operation Sindoor, which targeted and demolished terror launchpads deep inside Pakistan.

A three day military escalation followed as Pakistan and India launched multiple attacks on each other from May 7 to 10.

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Link: https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...hmir-issue/articleshow/122139181.cms?from=mdr
 
Pakistan's Asim Munir threatens India again, rekindles Kashmir issue


Pakistani Army Chief Asim Munir on Saturday claimed that India had made two unprovoked attacks, terming it a troubling absence of strategic foresight.

Speaking at the Pakistan Naval Academy in Karachi, Munir blamed India for escalating regional tensions and vowed a decisive response to any future Indian aggression. He further called Pakistan a "net regional stabiliser," claiming that Islamabad had responded "resolutely" to "unprovoked" Indian military aggression.

He further called Pakistan a "net regional stabiliser," claiming that Islamabad had responded "resolutely" to "unprovoked" Indian military aggression.

"Despite provocations, Pakistan displayed restraint and maturity, reaffirming its commitment to regional peace," he said.

Munir claimed that India deliberately created tension in the region just as Pakistan was nearing the elimination of terrorism.

In the address, Munir once again brought up Kashmir, claiming that "at such a time, we must remember the sacrifices of our Kashmiri brothers who are struggling against India’s illegal occupation."

“Pakistan is a strong advocate for a just resolution of the Kashmir issue in accordance with United Nations resolutions and the aspirations of the Kashmiri people,”
he added.

Munir had termed Kashmir as Pakistan's 'jugular vein' just days before the horrific Pahalgam terror attack that killed 26 civilians.

"Kashmir is our jugular vein; it will remain our jugular vein; we will not forget it," Munir had said, addressing the Pakistani diaspora abroad.

In response to the deadly attack, India put the Indus Waters Treaty on hold, a decisive blow to its neighbour. This was followed by the launch of Operation Sindoor, which targeted and demolished terror launchpads deep inside Pakistan.

A three day military escalation followed as Pakistan and India launched multiple attacks on each other from May 7 to 10.

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Link: https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...hmir-issue/articleshow/122139181.cms?from=mdr
@Romali_rotti - See, didn't I tell you this yesterday? They'll never learn irrespective of how much further their country sinks.​
 
Not at all keeping in mind all the nuisance, and human lives we have lost since 1947 because of them.​

It's their leadership that's the issue. The avg Pakistani citizen don't have any stake in this mess...

Either way, as I always maintained over the last decade or so on PP: Pakistan is a lost cause, they won't see the light and they are not going come out of this hole.

It is what it is, just let it be..
 
It's their leadership that's the issue. The avg Pakistani citizen don't have any stake in this mess...

Either way, as I always maintained over the last decade or so on PP: Pakistan is a lost cause, they won't see the light and they are not going come out of this hole.

It is what it is, just let it be..
When your country's economy depends on bailouts from the IMF, and you keep breaking your own previous records of knocking the IMF's door, what else do you expect? Even blind Freddie can see what you said.​
 
When your country's economy depends on bailouts from the IMF, and you keep breaking your own previous records of knocking the IMF's door, what else do you expect? Even blind Freddie can see what you said.​
Today pak got 3.2 b usd again from China to keep its forex in sufficient floating range.if they are surviving on loans to be in floating mode, its nothing left for future.
 
His kids aren't in power you dumb idiot. He is leading a Nuclear state at a time when a Muslim country is being bombed, a Muslim country that is vital to our security.
Your agenda has always been known and personal attacks will not mask it. Can you answer what Imran Khan's sister said in May? What were the PTI supporters saying then? Your method has always been to go after patriots. Shameful.
 
"He agreed with me" (on Iran). Well General Munir what did you agree with? Do you agree that illegal bombing of Iran is ok because agreeing keeps you in power.
From 1.30.
@Major
@mazkhan
What did the thug agree with?

Did you even see Pakistan's statement on Iran? You should be banned for spreading misinformation. Since when has Trump become the gold standard for truth?
 
Did you even see Pakistan's statement on Iran? You should be banned for spreading misinformation. Since when has Trump become the gold standard for truth?

Asim Munir has muslim blood on his hands.

He sat there and let Trump speak on his behalf selling his soul and his nation's dignity by nominating Trump for Nobel Peace Prize who has been complicit in attacks on muslims.

Imran would never have done that.
He had his flaws but he was a proud muslim.
 
Criminals giving patriotic certificates. Its seems you seem to be desperate for support. I couldn't give a toss if @Mamoon @Rana or @Major think this or that..I have owned all of these guys for more than a decade . They supported regime change in PK and it's total constitutional destruction. Call them in son, let them speak on the regime change. I dare anyone of you
yyou argue with urself and than claim that own posters...ok
 
@Bewal Express PTI fans and Indians speak the same language. Hence proved @Rana @Mamoon @emranabbas
Not really. Every Pakistani pushed back against India’s illegal aggression and dismantled their misinformation in real time, so effectively that India had to scramble a delegation of diplomats. And yet, they keep recycling the same fantasies to soothe their bruised egos. So if anyone’s speaking the same language, it’s you and the Indians.
 
I've always maintained that the biggest threat to Pakistan is not India, it is the establishment leadership and the cabal of murderous crooks that form the current government
 
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yyou argue with urself and than claim that own posters...ok
Well in this case I do. Last you forget he was the same tool that thought the governor of Punjab was fake even though we had national tv programmes discussing the implications of his confession of the election theft
 
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US hosts Pakistan military chief at White House, India responds by warming to China​


US President Donald Trump's lunch meeting with Pakistan's military chief prompted a private diplomatic protest from India in a warning to Washington about risks to their bilateral ties, while New Delhi is recalibrating relations with China as a hedge, officials and analysts said.


The meeting and other tensions in the US-India relationship, after decades of flourishing ties, have cast a shadow on trade negotiations, they said, as Trump's administration weighs tariffs against one of its major partners in the Indo-Pacific.

India blames Pakistan, especially its military establishment, for supporting what it calls cross-border terrorism and has told the US it is sending the wrong signals by wooing Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir, three senior Indian government officials directly aware of the matter told Reuters.

It has created a sore spot that will hamper relations going forward, they said.


Pakistan denies accusations that it supports militants who attack Indian targets and that New Delhi has provided no evidence that it is involved.

US-India ties have strengthened in the past two decades despite minor hiccups, at least partly because both countries seek to counter China.

The current problems are different, said Michael Kugelman, a Washington-based senior fellow at the Asia Pacific Foundation think tank.

"The frequency and intensity with which the US is engaging with Pakistan, and seemingly not taking Indian concerns into account, especially after India's recent conflict with Pakistan, has contributed to a bit of a bilateral malaise."


"The concern this time around is that one of the triggers for broader tensions, that being Trump's unpredictability, is extending into the trade realm with his approach to tariffs," he said.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's office and India's foreign ministry did not respond to a request for comment. The foreign ministry has previously said that it had "taken note" of the Trump-Munir meeting.

A US official said they do not comment on private diplomatic communications and that the United States enjoys strong relationships with both India and Pakistan.


"These relationships stand on their own merits, and we do not compare our bilateral relationships with one another," the US official said.

LUNCH AT THE WHITE HOUSE

The US seems to have taken a different tack on Pakistan after a brief conflict broke out between the nuclear-armed rivals in May when India launched strikes on what it called terrorist targets across the border in response to a deadly attack on tourists from the majority Hindu community in Indian Kashmir the previous month.

After four days of aerial dogfights, missile and drone attacks, the two sides agreed to a cease-fire.


Hindu-majority India and Islamic Pakistan have skirmished regularly and fought three full-scale wars since independence in 1947, two of them over the disputed Kashmir region.

A few weeks after the May fighting, Trump hosted Munir for lunch at the White House, a major boost in ties with the country, which had largely languished under Trump's first term and Joe Biden. It was the first time a US president had hosted the head of Pakistan's army, considered the most powerful man in the country, at the White House unaccompanied by senior Pakistani civilian officials.



Indian leaders have said Munir's view of India and Pakistan is steeped in religion. "Tourists were murdered in front of their families after ascertaining their faith," Indian foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said in May, referring to the Kashmir attack.

"To understand that, you've got to also see...you have a Pakistani leadership, especially their army chief, who is driven by an extreme religious outlook".

Pakistan says it is Modi who is driven by religious extremism, and that his brand of Hindu nationalism has trampled on the rights of India's large Muslim minority. Modi and the Indian government say they do not discriminate against minorities.

Munir's meeting in the White House added to India's chagrin over Trump's repeated insistence that he averted nuclear war between the two nations by threatening to stop trade negotiations with them. The comment drew a sharp response from Modi, who told Trump that the ceasefire was achieved through talks between army commanders of the two nations, and not US mediation.

In the days following his June 18 meeting with Munir, people from Modi's office and India's national security adviser's office made separate calls to their US counterparts to register a protest, two of the officials said. The protest has not been previously reported.

"We have communicated to the US our position on cross-border terrorism, which is a red line for us," said a senior Indian official. "These are difficult times ... Trump's inability to understand our concerns does create some wrinkle in ties," he added, seeking anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter.

Trump and Munir discussed continuation of a counter-terrorism collaboration, under which the US has previously provided weapons to Pakistan, a non-NATO US ally, and talked about ways to further strengthen ties, a Pakistani readout of the meeting said.

That raised concern in New Delhi that any arms Pakistan receives from the US could be turned on India if the neighbours end up in conflict again, two of the officials said.

HARDER STANCE

Despite what used to be public displays of bonhomie between Trump and Modi, India has been taking a slightly harder stance against the US in recent weeks, while trade discussions have also slowed, the Indian officials and an Indian industry lobbyist said.

Modi declined an invitation from Trump to visit Washington after the G7 meeting in Canada in June.

Earlier this month, New Delhi proposed retaliatory duties against the US at the World Trade Organization, showing trade talks were not going as smoothly as they were before the India-Pakistan clashes.

India, like other nations, is trying to figure out a way to deal with Trump and is recalibrating ties with China as a hedge, said Harsh Pant, foreign policy head at India's Observer Research Foundation think tank.

"Certainly there is an outreach to China," he said. "And I think it is mutual...China is also reaching out".

Last week, India's Jaishankar made his first visit to Beijing since a deadly 2020 border clash between Indian and Chinese troops.

India is also making moves to ease restrictions on investments from China that were imposed following the 2020 clash.

The thaw comes despite India's *****ly relations with China and Beijing's close ties and military support to Pakistan.

But New Delhi's concern about Trump's own engagement with China, which has ranged from conciliatory to confrontational, appears to have contributed to its shift in stance on Beijing.

"With an unpredictable dealmaker in the White House, New Delhi cannot rule out Sino-US rapprochement," said Christopher Clary, an associate professor of political science at the University at Albany, New York.

"India is troubled by Chinese help to Pakistan and growing Chinese influence elsewhere in India's near abroad, such as Bangladesh. Yet New Delhi has largely concluded that it should respond to creeping Chinese influence by focusing its pressures on its nearest neighbours and not on China."

Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/255706...hite-house-india-responds-by-warming-to-china
 
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