Global split over Rohingya crisis as China backs Myanmar crackdown

[troodon]

Europe should take them. Rohingyas in India will lead pathetic lives. They will have better lives in Europe.

Racist white man in Europe treats these refugees better than pious people in Subcontinent and Middle East.

 

[JaDed]

I had to shift home within the same city,was returning back to my parental home and that itself made me feel so sad not having parents around and memories of previous home, if even voluntarily doing something made me so sad I can't begin to imagine what refugees go through,whether my grand parents during partition or the refugees all around,so sad,what has happened.

Maybe the Rohingyas should also protest in a non-violent manner and get world's attention and if Army attacks then it would be so bad,play Suukyi against her own game,see how it goes,let the world cover it then.

 

[JaDed]

Europe should take them. Rohingyas in India will lead pathetic lives. They will have better lives in Europe.

Racist white man in Europe treats these refugees better than pious people in Subcontinent and Middle East.

Well said and agree!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Okay. When did I say they're legal and/or Indians?

Then where is the question of keeping them in India comes from?

 

[waqar goraya]

Even 10 among 40,000 is still a threat that needs to be handled very cautiously. India's first and foremost responsibility is towards her own people and not some refugees across the sea. India should adopt similar process as Canada did for accepting to Syrian refugees. It helps filtering out the potential radicalised fanatic that can cause problems for India.
Deporting refugees maybe against UN constitution but it certainly is not against Indian constitution. India is also not a signatory to UN nor it is thekadaar for regional refugees. India itself is poor and need to help its own people first.

That's all I meant.

How does it effects neighbours if India is indeed becoming nationalistic every passing day. Its not that Indians are involved in Myanmar and are in direct war zone. Instead of shoving refugees down the throat of India, why not urge your 'Friend China' to push pressure on Myanmar and stop the massacre? Wouldn't that be more suitable solution for all?
Do you even know there are literally millions of Indian kids die of hunger and malnutrition every year? Ofc you dont nor do u care because they aren't 'Muslims'. India should and must look after their own people first.

Ultra- Nationalism leads towards jingoism , extremism and far right. Nazi Germany, imperial Japan had this and now this Myanmar thing is rooted in racialism and nationalism. Israel-Palestinian conflict, discrimination against colored people in USA are all based upon this nationalism thing.

 

[90MPH]

And guess what genius, I can and will expose your hypocrisy everytime by pointing out your selective morality and even more selective outrage over issues depending on who the perpetrator is. Still no word on the topic I see



Au contraire, I actually don't really care about modi but it is nice to expose the hypocrisy of people sometimes.

Yeah whatever. No genius the hypocrisy is those that come here with the finger pointing attitude at their neighbours while not looking at the stench coming from their own garden.

 

[JaDed]

That's all I meant.



Ultra- Nationalism leads towards jingoism , extremism and far right. Nazi Germany, imperial Japan had this and now this Myanmar thing is rooted in racialism and nationalism. Israel-Palestinian conflict, discrimination against colored people in USA are all based upon this nationalism thing.

Still below ultra-religion atleast the land is real unlike imagination.

 

[sshakir411]

Then where is the question of keeping them in India comes from?

Didn't ask India to keep them..I said it's funny how refugees who literally have nothing are a threat. How are you guys going about assessing this threat? What are some of the indicators used to determine how high or low the threat is?

And I ask this because numerous Indian posters have constantly mentioned how refugees are a threat to security. It's not adding up, to me at least.

 

[waqar goraya]

Democratic or Despotic, illegal immigrants have no right to be in India.There have been credible input regarding security threats from Rohingyas.Even if one Indian dies because of them its still not worth the risk.

BD may not be in a position to deport them due to various compulsions.But the BD media did report that BD govt shared intelligence with GOI regarding the extremist security threats from Rohingyas.


Good that India is becoming more nationalistic.I see no problems with that.

So, no one has actually died at the hands of these poor souls? Nevertheless, if there are credible reports as you point out then with this credible intelligence those miscreants should be caught sooner than later, and other people should be respected, even if they are deported in a humane way. But to say that all of those 40,000 are potential terrorists is putting salt on the wounds of those people.
All of this BD media reporting on behalf of BD govt regarding the potential terrorists in India is a lame thing when BD itself is not deporting those Rohingyas.
Rabid nationalism has racial, expansionist and jingoistic contours, it's hardly a goof thing. But you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[waqar goraya]

Still below ultra-religion atleast the land is real unlike imagination.

That's fanaticism, which is also equally destructive.

 

[CanadianG00se]

That's all I meant.



Ultra- Nationalism leads towards jingoism , extremism and far right. Nazi Germany, imperial Japan had this and now this Myanmar thing is rooted in racialism and nationalism. Israel-Palestinian conflict, discrimination against colored people in USA are all based upon this nationalism thing.

So called nationalism existed in India since Independence 70 years ago. Not one single instance when India adopted extremism and caused rift in neighbouring countries. Not one instance where India invaded any country. Comparison with Nazi Germany and Japanese imperialism is flawed and baseless. Id be first to criticise my country had they were involved in extremism like Nazi Germans but thats not the case here.
You're only criticising for the sake of it. Nothing new in here, Bashing India is hot subject lately.

You totally ignore my previous point that when i said Pakistan should be urging Chinese authorities to stop the massacre in Myanmar, which i believe is the best solution for all. But hey lets ignore logic and bash India.

 

[CanadianG00se]

So, no one has actually died at the hands of these poor souls? Nevertheless, if there are credible reports as you point out then with this credible intelligence those miscreants should be caught sooner than later, and other people should be respected, even if they are deported in a humane way. But to say that all of those 40,000 are potential terrorists is putting salt on the wounds of those people.
All of this BD media reporting on behalf of BD govt regarding the potential terrorists in India is a lame thing when BD itself is not deporting those Rohingyas.
Rabid nationalism has racial, expansionist and jingoistic contours, it's hardly a goof thing. But you are entitled to your opinion.

I dont think anyone ever claimed that all 40K are 'Threat' to national security. It is intel report that some of them could be vulnerable to radicalism and pose threat to citizens. So in order to filter them out it is natural to have suspicion on them all and gradually allow the ones who arent threat to be blend into society( if India decides to keep them) and the ones who are shady character can be interrogated and/or quarantine them into camps where keeping eye on them is possible. Im sure refugees wouldnt mind going thru rigorous process in order for the safety of people who provided them shelter. Thats the very least they can do if they want to live in India. Yknow they are free to go back to Myanmar if they feel so unwelcomed.

 

[waqar goraya]

So called nationalism existed in India since Independence 70 years ago. Not one single instance when India adopted extremism and caused rift in neighbouring countries. Not one instance where India invaded any country. Comparison with Nazi Germany and Japanese imperialism is flawed and baseless. Id be first to criticise my country had they were involved in extremism like Nazi Germans but thats not the case here.
You're only criticising for the sake of it. Nothing new in here, Bashing India is hot subject lately.

You totally ignore my previous point that when i said Pakistan should be urging Chinese authorities to stop the massacre in Myanmar, which i believe is the best solution for all. But hey lets ignore logic and bash India.

I never compared any country with any country. Rather i only explained some negative impacts of rabid nationalism, which you consider a beacon of light. I know that this Modi government is the most right wing and nationalistic in India's entire history since independence. Not my fault that criticism on a govt policy is construed as an attack on India.
Pakistan in no way can influence China. All they can do is make them aware of people sentiments and advise in private.

 

[waqar goraya]

I dont think anyone ever claimed that all 40K are 'Threat' to national security. It is intel report that some of them could be vulnerable to radicalism and pose threat to citizens. So in order to filter them out it is natural to have suspicion on them all and gradually allow the ones who arent threat to be blend into society( if India decides to keep them) and the ones who are shady character can be interrogated and/or quarantine them into camps where keeping eye on them is possible. Im sure refugees wouldnt mind going thru rigorous process in order for the safety of people who provided them shelter. Thats the very least they can do if they want to live in India. Yknow they are free to go back to Myanmar if they feel so unwelcomed.

This is stereotyping which an educated person like you should avoid. Besides, I have been told that so far not one violent incident involving these immigrants has surfaced.
Rest, I understand your point.
Don't know why are you taking it so seriously. Rest assured, Joshila can answer his quotes with even more fervor and patriotism

 

[KingKhanWC]

Golwalkar will argue that the 2 nation theory came long before him.

Lets be clear here.People from both sides tried to get a nation with a religious identity.So either both are extremist or none of them are.

This is going off topic now, so we can agree to disagree on him.

Anyway it was good China agreed to the UN statement.

 

[Sidilicious]

Okay. When did I say they're legal and/or Indians?

So why are moaning if India sends them back?

 

[90MPH]

Some of the Indian responses here have been disgusting and pathetic.

I just watched a BBC newsnight report right now - families have been literally hacked and burnt to death.

There is no doubt in my mind that thousands have been massacred and their houses have been burnt to the ground. This is ethnic cleansing on a grand scale.

One woman says here entire family including her daughters and sons were all killed and she only survived by jumping in the river.
Im going to post a clip of this report later but some here are so cold hearted.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Some of the Indian responses here have been disgusting and pathetic.

I just watched a BBC newsnight report right now - families have been literally hacked and burnt to death.

There is no doubt in my mind that thousands have been massacred and their houses have been burnt to the ground. This is ethnic cleansing on a grand scale.

One woman says here entire family including her daughters and sons were all killed and she only survived by jumping in the river.
Im going to post a clip of this report later but some here are so cold hearted.

Yea We are cold hearted because we give importance to our own safety before going out of our way to provide shelter to refugees. Oh by the way its us tax payers money that is gonna be used for refugees so we have every right to share our concerns whether it is morally right or wrong, we couldn't be bothered.

 

[Specialisttailender]

I had to shift home within the same city,was returning back to my parental home and that itself made me feel so sad not having parents around and memories of previous home, if even voluntarily doing something made me so sad I can't begin to imagine what refugees go through,whether my grand parents during partition or the refugees all around,so sad,what has happened.

Maybe the Rohingyas should also protest in a non-violent manner and get world's attention and if Army attacks then it would be so bad,play Suukyi against her own game,see how it goes,let the world cover it then.

What makes you think there was no non violent protest ? We have no chance of ever knowing of a protest if it doesn't appear in news, it won't appear on news if it is just a harmless protest. Independence was granted to us, we didn't win, non-violent protest won't work if a government controls the whole military and the military walks in with a gun in to town. You think peaceful protest against ISIS would have worked with Yazidis ? Same is from Military. As someone from cultural capital of Tamil Nadu, my heart bleed when my siblings in Sri Lanka were being murdered, after seeing that on local TVs(Not your SUN TV, Jaya TV nonsense) I have lost all the senses. It is very difficult for me to feel for rest of the community whether it is Myanmar, Yazidis or anywhere.

 

[JaDed]

What makes you think there was no non violent protest ? We have no chance of ever knowing of a protest if it doesn't appear in news, it won't appear on news if it is just a harmless protest. Independence was granted to us, we didn't win, non-violent protest won't work if a government controls the whole military and the military walks in with a gun in to town. You think peaceful protest against ISIS would have worked with Yazidis ? Same is from Military. As someone from cultural capital of Tamil Nadu, my heart bleed when my siblings in Sri Lanka were being murdered, after seeing that on local TVs(Not your SUN TV, Jaya TV nonsense) I have lost all the senses. It is very difficult for me to feel for rest of the community whether it is Myanmar, Yazidis or anywhere.

Non-violent protests are much longer no doubt but they are given more of an ear from world communities,also in democracy that's the only way to get world's attention,in an interconnected world countries can easily put pressure,example of well done non-violent protests are Luther King,Nelson Mandela.

Its the harder path but gives government/army no excuse for their behavior,non-violent protests would only work if government controls the whole army not the other way around.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Non-violent protests are much longer no doubt but they are given more of an ear from world communities,also in democracy that's the only way to get world's attention,in an interconnected world countries can easily put pressure,example of well done non-violent protests are Luther King,Nelson Mandela.

Its the harder path but gives government/army no excuse for their behavior,non-violent protests would only work if government controls the whole army not the other way around.

Non-violent protests don't get any attention, TV news channels don't have slot for a peaceful protests taking place in a location no one knows about. No news channel wants to show peaceful protests unless it is happening at home. Apartheid in South Africa didn't come to an end because of Mandela, Mandela was in jail for 27 years, and was released when apartheid came to an end. Apartheid came to an end because it had to, South Africa was becoming more civilized, it can't continue to oppress the black majority, it is 1990s. It was the only country that was oppressing a race systematically, just like British could no longer ethically oppress its colonies after seeing the impact of Holocaust. Martin Luther King was protesting for equal rights for the blacks in Southern USA, the area that is still backwards, racist and communities are divided by race. USA too was coming of an age(late 60s), black soldiers were dying in 1000s in Vietnam, fighting for the country, hippie wave was going around US and rest of the country was not systemically divided like southern states in US. Whatever happens in US is a world news, what happens in Myanmar, Sri Lanka or East Timor is not unless it is worth putting on TV which means 1000s had to die.

Some governments and military are not very different from ISIS, if peaceful protests won't work with ISIS, same with these military.

 

[JaDed]

Non-violent protests don't get any attention, TV news channels don't have slot for a peaceful protests taking place in a location no one knows about. No news channel wants to show peaceful protests unless it is happening at home. Apartheid in South Africa didn't come to an end because of Mandela, Mandela was in jail for 27 years, and was released when apartheid came to an end. Apartheid came to an end because it had to, South Africa was becoming more civilized, it can't continue to oppress the black majority, it is 1990s. It was the only country that was oppressing a race systematically, just like British could no longer ethically oppress its colonies after seeing the impact of Holocaust. Martin Luther King was protesting for equal rights for the blacks in Southern USA, the area that is still backwards, racist and communities are divided by race. USA too was coming of an age(late 60s), black soldiers were dying in 1000s in Vietnam, fighting for the country, hippie wave was going around US and rest of the country was not systemically divided like southern states in US. Whatever happens in US is a world news, what happens in Myanmar, Sri Lanka or East Timor is not unless it is worth putting on TV which means 1000s had to die.

Some governments and military are not very different from ISIS, if peaceful protests won't work with ISIS, same with these military.

In the age of news it will become news,its not about becoming civilized,non-violence is a long struggle,Suu Kyi herself did the same,it needs patience obviously,issue is with immediate results,the only place where non-violence has completely failed is Tibet.

One cannot take up arms against ruling government that goes to nowhere,one must educate their own community(the one protesting) and create awareness,ofcourse if only poor people with no written skills take on the journey it will die off.

 

[Specialisttailender]

In the age of news it will become news,its not about becoming civilized,non-violence is a long struggle,Suu Kyi herself did the same,it needs patience obviously,issue is with immediate results,the only place where non-violence has completely failed is Tibet.

One cannot take up arms against ruling government that goes to nowhere,one must educate their own community(the one protesting) and create awareness,ofcourse if only poor people with no written skills take on the journey it will die off.

In the age of news, some news are still not worth mentioning in international media. Even if it comes, the world doesn't care and legally no one can do anything.

Lot of educated people took arm for our independence my friend, Subhas Chandra Bose was educated in Cambridge University in England. Surely, he could have returned, started a business and became a crorepathy but he decided not to, so did many engineers, doctors and chemists that joined him. How many people know about our peaceful independence struggle ? Everyone thinks Gandhi started it lol. Peaceful movement was going on for over 100 years before our actual independence, how many Indians know about it ? Why didn't it work ? Im waiting for your answer.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

China can ban Ramzan fasting and beards for government employees, and nobody here will have any issue. Some idiots in India commit a local crime == India and all Indians are proven anti-muslim.

China and India are like apples and oranges. The Chinese government is against all religions as a matter of policy. India's government is dominated by Hindutva supporters.

 

[90MPH]

Yea We are cold hearted because we give importance to our own safety before going out of our way to provide shelter to refugees. Oh by the way its us tax payers money that is gonna be used for refugees so we have every right to share our concerns whether it is morally right or wrong, we couldn't be bothered.

"Importance to safety", don't make me laugh. No one is buying that nonsensical proganda except blind BJP supporters.
Don't worry I'm sure all your hard earned tax money is going to all the right places.

 

[cricketjoshila]

"Importance to safety", don't make me laugh. No one is buying that nonsensical proganda except blind BJP supporters.
Don't worry I'm sure all your hard earned tax money is going to all the right places.

Since BJP is the ruling party in India, its what they say that matters.They decide what will happen in India..They have decided that Rohingyas are a security risk and they will be deported.Leave that, Tax payers money is not for 40k illegal immigrants.You may not like it but you have no option to do anything about it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

China and India are like apples and oranges. The Chinese government is against all religions as a matter of policy. India's government is dominated by Hindutva supporters.

So a country with 80% hindus have a hindu leading the govt.What is the problem?

Can you tell me why population of hindus in BD is declining day by day?Why they are being attacked?Afaik BD isnt a islamic republic.

 

[90MPH]

Since BJP is the ruling party in India, its what they say that matters.They decide what will happen in India..They have decided that Rohingyas are a security risk and they will be deported.Leave that, Tax payers money is not for 40k illegal immigrants.You may not like it but you have no option to do anything about it.

And I will keep my stance the BJP is a bigoted government led by a bigot who is carrying baggage with him.

If you want to deport them do it but stop talking nonsense that these 40,000 are terrorists because that is exactly what your Indian government and blind supporters like you are implying.

Now it all makes sense Modi going to Burma and supporting the state sponsored massacre and ethnic cleansing. What a joker Modi is.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

So a country with 80% hindus have a hindu leading the govt.What is the problem?

Can you tell me why population of hindus in BD is declining day by day?Why they are being attacked?Afaik BD isnt a islamic republic.

There is nothing wrong with having a inclusive Hindu leading a majority Hindu nation. But thats not the case. About court exonerations...OJ Simpson was also exonerated by California courts but then when on to write a book titled "If I killed here, here is how I would do it". The comparison was between China and India. China is an officially atheist state, you can't expect them to treat any religion with respect. For the world's largest democracy to need to stoop down and compare itself with China is strange.

 

[sshakir411]

So why are moaning if India sends them back?

Please read what I posted before you ask useless questions.

My only post was that it sounds absolutely RIDICULOUS from numerous Indians that refugees that came in with nothing are a security threat. How so? How are Indians assessing this security threat and what are some of the indicators of this security threat? This is a genuine question..how do you guys determine these refugees are a security threat? based on their religion?

 

[90MPH]

Please read what I posted before you ask useless questions.

My only post was that it sounds absolutely RIDICULOUS from numerous Indians that refugees that came in with nothing are a security threat. How so? How are Indians assessing this security threat and what are some of the indicators of this security threat? This is a genuine question..how do you guys determine these refugees are a security threat? based on their religion?

Of course it's based on their religion. And secondly because they are very poor people so easy to discriminate against them.

This security threat is ridiculously absurd. It's a red herring just so they can deport them. If they want to do it then go ahead but no one believes these illogical reasons that they are now after fleeing for their lives from Burma they want to threaten the country they have found safe haven.

Only blind BJP half brain supporters would believe this rhetoric coming from the Against the Rohinga.

 

[sshakir411]

Of course it's based on their religion. And secondly because they are very poor people so easy to discriminate against them.

This security threat is ridiculously absurd. It's a red herring just so they can deport them. If they want to do it then go ahead but no one believes these illogical reasons that they are now after fleeing for their lives from Burma they want to threaten the country they have found safe haven.

Only blind BJP half brain supporters would believe this rhetoric coming from the Against the Rohinga.

It clearly is based on Religion it seems. Even CJ ignored these questions in post 88. Pretty clear there is no real reason and these Indian posters recycle whatever they've heard somewhere else.

 

[JaDed]

There is nothing wrong with having a inclusive Hindu leading a majority Hindu nation. But thats not the case. About court exonerations...OJ Simpson was also exonerated by California courts but then when on to write a book titled "If I killed here, here is how I would do it". The comparison was between China and India. China is an officially atheist state, you can't expect them to treat any religion with respect. For the world's largest democracy to need to stoop down and compare itself with China is strange.

China was communist too once upon a time in terms of industries now they ain't,it's just that leaders now are atheist, tomorrow they would become fascist and surely u wud be like they are fascist so they can be that way and discriminate.

I can continue on that logic,so China cannot be exempted from criticism.

 

[CricketCartoons]

China was communist too once upon a time in terms of industries now they ain't,it's just that leaders now are atheist, tomorrow they would become fascist and surely u wud be like they are fascist so they can be that way and discriminate.

I can continue on that logic,so China cannot be exempted from criticism.

India can magically absolve itself of any criticism by declaring herself as a hindu rasthra. And this is what I have been campaigning for on social media.

 

[JaDed]

India can magically absolve itself of any criticism by declaring herself as a hindu rasthra. And this is what I have been campaigning for on social media.

Lol yeah just for shutdown corner to not post against Indian gov

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is nothing wrong with having a inclusive Hindu leading a majority Hindu nation. But thats not the case. About court exonerations...OJ Simpson was also exonerated by California courts but then when on to write a book titled "If I killed here, here is how I would do it". The comparison was between China and India. China is an officially atheist state, you can't expect them to treat any religion with respect. For the world's largest democracy to need to stoop down and compare itself with China is strange.

What is this inclusive Hindu?Who decides that and how?

If someone in India writes the book then we can talk about it.

China can treat muslims any which way its alright since they are communist atheists.Islamic nations like Pakistan or muslim majority nations like BD can do anything with minorities that is fine because oh they dont claim to be secular.But anything happens to a minority person in India all hell breaks loose.You know there us a word for this in English, Hypocrisy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And I will keep my stance the BJP is a bigoted government led by a bigot who is carrying baggage with him.

If you want to deport them do it but stop talking nonsense that these 40,000 are terrorists because that is exactly what your Indian government and blind supporters like you are implying.

Now it all makes sense Modi going to Burma and supporting the state sponsored massacre and ethnic cleansing. What a joker Modi is.

You can keep any stance.May be ask UK and Pakistan govt to sanction Modi.Not sure they will listen to that.So what will you do with that stance of yours?

They are a security risk and have possible relations to extremists.Way back in 2013 BD govt shared intelligence regarding this with India.

 

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[CanadianG00se]

Will Supreme court of India for once actually do something good for India?
They should allow Govt to deport those who could pose a threat(mostly single males in 20s and above).

https://www.google.ca/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BT176


Some neighbours will call us 'heartless' and what not but who cares. Im all in favour of deporting them if it means preventing future problems. Just look at North east states and the problema bengalis have been causing for last 40 years not to mention all those riots in Assam.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Assam_violence

Safeguarding its border is India's right, plus we dont have any obligations helping our neighbours when our own dies every year due to lack of basic needs. Please dont repeat the mistake we did in 1970s. Till date we are regretting.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Will Supreme court of India for once actually do something good for India?
They should allow Govt to deport those who could pose a threat(mostly single males in 20s and above).

https://www.google.ca/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BT176


Some neighbours will call us 'heartless' and what not but who cares. Im all in favour of deporting them if it means preventing future problems. Just look at North east states and the problema bengalis have been causing for last 40 years not to mention all those riots in Assam.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Assam_violence

Safeguarding its border is India's right, plus we dont have any obligations helping our neighbours when our own dies every year due to lack of basic needs. Please dont repeat the mistake we did in 1970s. Till date we are regretting.

Bhai we are trying to save our house.Let the neighbours say whatever they want.Not their country not their problem nor do they have to face any consequence.So let them say what they want to.

Dont think we will repeat the mistakes of 1970s.Already illegal immigrants in Assam are facing the heat.The govt is going to make it impossible for illegal immigrants to get any basic facilities not even a phone number.There is also crackdown on these immigrants doing domestic work in big cities.After Assam it will be Bengals turn to deport these illegal immigrants.

 

[kaayal]

Whatever happening to them is really really sad....
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] bhai, what do you advice these poor people to do next?

 

[CanadianG00se]

Whatever happening to them is really really sad....

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] bhai, what do you advice these poor people to do next?

Them being poor is also one of the major problem. They will depend on government handout for survival. They will add absolute nothing to the economy; if anything will be burden on government. Im in favour of providing refuge to the ones that are economically stable and pose no threat to India or its people.

What do u suggest government of India should do, ignore the poor Indians and provide them handouts???

 

[cricketjoshila]

Whatever happening to them is really really sad....

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] bhai, what do you advice these poor people to do next?

How are you doing behen ji?

Well India can send aid etc for Rohingyas but we cant settle them here.Tbh we have so many poor in India that we need to concentrate on our own.

These people should be in Myanmar.Problem is they have had a on and off armed insurgency againisit the Burmese govt since 1948.A settlement needs to be worked out.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It clearly is based on Religion it seems. Even CJ ignored these questions in post 88. Pretty clear there is no real reason and these Indian posters recycle whatever they've heard somewhere else.

The govt decides the security risks.One of the factors is the intelligence input.

The Rohingyas have connections to Extremist organisations.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/pakista...-to-kill-myanmars-rulers-20150608-ghjjhf.html


http://m.bdnews24.com/en/detail/neighbour/1229378


https://www.dawn.com/news/amp/1302509


http://m.hindustantimes.com/delhi-n...pDZK.html?isab=true&meta-geo=IN--DL--NEWDELHI


http://googleweblight.com/i?u=http://www.asiantribune.com/?q=node/16449&hl=en-IN

Here are a few news article about Rohingyas connection with extremists.

 

[kaayal]

Them being poor is also one of the major problem. They will depend on government handout for survival. They will add absolute nothing to the economy; if anything will be burden on government. Im in favour of providing refuge to the ones that are economically stable and pose no threat to India or its people.

What do u suggest government of India should do, ignore the poor Indians and provide them handouts???

We are no way rich like the western countries but why can't we give them some food and shelter here till their issues get resolved instead of sending back to that hellhole now?

How are you doing behen ji?

Well India can send aid etc for Rohingyas but we cant settle them here.Tbh we have so many poor in India that we need to concentrate on our own.

These people should be in Myanmar.Problem is they have had a on and off armed insurgency againisit the Burmese govt since 1948.A settlement needs to be worked out.

I am fine. Just concentrating in my studies for past few days.

Now if they are killing them ruthlessly how can we deport all of them back to myanmar? Come on, our nation is better than all this cruelty.....

I know that foreign policy doesn't work on emotions but still India can do much better than what it is doing now.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Imagine if this guy was not caught and managed to recruit say even 10-20 Rohingyas. Can you imagine the chaos it would create. Now call me heartless for urging my govt to protect us from terror threat. Even if they were hindus(Rohingyas) Id have same stand as i have now. Terrorism have no religion

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/delh...-youth-held-in-delhi/articleshow/60739539.cms

 

[CanadianG00se]

We are no way rich like the western countries but why can't we give them some food and shelter here till their issues get resolved instead of sending back to that hellhole now?



I am fine. Just concentrating in my studies for past few days.

Now if they are killing them ruthlessly how can we deport all of them back to myanmar? Come on, our nation is better than all this cruelty.....

I know that foreign policy doesn't work on emotions but still India can do much better than what it is doing now.

We did that 40 years ago 'Provided food, shelter, and land to live' and we all know how that turned out. Im in favour of govt helping them with food and water but they shouldnt be allowed freely to be blend in with general population. They should be kept in camps where keeping track is possible and could also manage threat if any that derives in future.
But right now they are spreading in all parts of nation and some are even getting recruited by terrorist organisation. Imagine your next door neighbour an Al-Qaida member?
Im in favour of letting them stay in India if it means they are barred from roaming around freely and does some kind of labour job that enables them to earn and support themselves. When situation in Myanmar improves they can safely return.

If India do not restrict them then mark my words 20-30 years down the road we will have problems like we have now from Bengalis that immigrated in 1970s.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We are no way rich like the western countries but why can't we give them some food and shelter here till their issues get resolved instead of sending back to that hellhole now?



I am fine. Just concentrating in my studies for past few days.

Now if they are killing them ruthlessly how can we deport all of them back to myanmar? Come on, our nation is better than all this cruelty.....

I know that foreign policy doesn't work on emotions but still India can do much better than what it is doing now.

So if we keep them here,expect more to flow in.Right now as India is very strict regarding these refugees more are not coming.

We dont want a Assam like scenario where the demography has been altered by illegal immigrants.

We can send as much aid we can to Bangladesh.Talk to Myanmar and set up a camp for thosr deported from India in Myanmar and provide aid there.

These immigrants are a health risk as well. Non vaccinated people,we may risk return of something like Polio.

 

[Abdullah719]

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[JaDed]

So if we keep them here,expect more to flow in.Right now as India is very strict regarding these refugees more are not coming.

We dont want a Assam like scenario where the demography has been altered by illegal immigrants.

We can send as much aid we can to Bangladesh.Talk to Myanmar and set up a camp for thosr deported from India in Myanmar and provide aid there.

These immigrants are a health risk as well. Non vaccinated people,we may risk return of something like Polio.

Demography of TRIPURA was also altered with massive addition of Bengalis,so you think that is wrong as well?

Not denying they will be a burden on the country but it feels like this has a lot to do with religion assuming we accepted Dharmic refugees and still do from Pak,I'm not judging the actions of gov sometimes hard action is required for long term but at least we can accept what it is biased acceptance of refugees.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Demography of TRIPURA was also altered with massive addition of Bengalis,so you think that is wrong as well?

Not denying they will be a burden on the country but it feels like this has a lot to do with religion assuming we accepted Dharmic refugees and still do from Pak,I'm not judging the actions of gov sometimes hard action is required for long term but at least we can accept what it is biased acceptance of refugees.

Ideally burma should be partitioned, and the rakhine state merged with bangladesh, with the rest being buddhist only. Having homogeneous religious societies is the final solution for peace. Not fair on bangladesh to take in refugees if they don't get the extra land.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

What is this inclusive Hindu?Who decides that and how?

If someone in India writes the book then we can talk about it.

China can treat muslims any which way its alright since they are communist atheists.Islamic nations like Pakistan or muslim majority nations like BD can do anything with minorities that is fine because oh they dont claim to be secular.But anything happens to a minority person in India all hell breaks loose.You know there us a word for this in English, Hypocrisy.

Don't be silly. Plenty of Muslims have issues with the Chinese actions in Xianjiang province. Just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Before this thread did you ever even hear of the Rohingya? So I guess they didnt exist till last week, right? That is just silly.

All countries seeking goodwill have got to earn it like everyone else. I will decide what is inclusive and what is not. Bangladesh is not perfect, but we are far ahead of most Muslim nations - except perhaps West African states like Senegal and Gambia. If we start banning foods like daal or begun bhorta, we will start to resemble certain other states. But I love daal, so I hope BD government doesn't ban it. But the good thing is we have moshur daal (the most superior of the lentils) available here in the US, grown in Canada. Have you ever had daal and shaak mixed in? So good.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Demography of TRIPURA was also altered with massive addition of Bengalis,so you think that is wrong as well?

Not denying they will be a burden on the country but it feels like this has a lot to do with religion assuming we accepted Dharmic refugees and still do from Pak,I'm not judging the actions of gov sometimes hard action is required for long term but at least we can accept what it is biased acceptance of refugees.

If you are going to change the demography of any state with massive influx of foreigners it will create huge issues.Tripura was already bengali speaking since historical times.The Mainkya Deb Barman family the rulers of Tripura are bengali speaking.The Rajmala,a chronicle of Tripura kings is written in Bengali.

But that doesnot mean people of Bangladesh will be allowed into Tripura.Its a separate country.I hope you understand the difference.

We accepted millions of BD muslims as refugees.Irrespective of religion.

Pakistani hindus or sikhs have a different status under law.They come via legal means and then apply for asylum.

 

[JaDed]

If you are going to change the demography of any state with massive influx of foreigners it will create huge issues.Tripura was already bengali speaking since historical times.The Mainkya Deb Barman family the rulers of Tripura are bengali speaking.The Rajmala,a chronicle of Tripura kings is written in Bengali.

But that doesnot mean people of Bangladesh will be allowed into Tripura.Its a separate country.I hope you understand the difference.

We accepted millions of BD muslims as refugees.Irrespective of religion.

Pakistani hindus or sikhs have a different status under law.They come via legal means and then apply for asylum.

We have historically accepted refugees,my point is on the current govn and their bias(which I'm not judging) towards refugees based on religion ,that cannot be denied.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We have historically accepted refugees,my point is on the current govn and their bias(which I'm not judging) towards refugees based on religion ,that cannot be denied.

All the Pakistani refugees came with valid visa and then applied for asylum and finally got citizenship.

These Rohingyas illegally entered the country.

Rohingyas if you care to read the articles have association with extremist groups.The Rohingya insurgency in Burma is decades old.So they are a security issue.

 

[JaDed]

All the Pakistani refugees came with valid visa and then applied for asylum and finally got citizenship.

These Rohingyas illegally entered the country.

Rohingyas if you care to read the articles have association with extremist groups.The Rohingya insurgency in Burma is decades old.So they are a security issue.

There will hardly be few of them, having seen illegal Bangladeshis working in Bangalore and even in Chennai won't say they are a security risk, demographic maybe.

Not propagating their inclusion just a point

 

[cricketjoshila]

There will hardly be few of them, having seen illegal Bangladeshis working in Bangalore and even in Chennai won't say they are a security risk, demographic maybe.

Not propagating their inclusion just a point

The recent vandalism by bangladeshis in Noida is a case in point.Illegal untraceable immigrants are a security risk.

 

[kaayal]

All the Pakistani refugees came with valid visa and then applied for asylum and finally got citizenship.

These Rohingyas illegally entered the country.

Rohingyas if you care to read the articles have association with extremist groups.The Rohingya insurgency in Burma is decades old.So they are a security issue.

Like you said if India is for Indians only and our resources are for ourselves, why are we allowing the Pakistani refugees to get citizenship here even if it is by legal means? We have 1.3 billion to take care of.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Like you said if India is for Indians only and our resources are for ourselves, why are we allowing the Pakistani refugees to get citizenship here even if it is by legal means? We have 1.3 billion to take care of.

These people were staying in India for years.The erstwhile govt is to be blamed for allowing Tibetan Tamil Bangladeshi Pakistani etc refugees in India.We have estimated 20mn illegal immigrants.We have to put a stop to it.Glad that this govt has done it.And no more immigrants should be allowed.

 

[kaayal]

These people were staying in India for years.The erstwhile govt is to be blamed for allowing Tibetan Tamil Bangladeshi Pakistani etc refugees in India.We have estimated 20mn illegal immigrants.We have to put a stop to it.Glad that this govt has done it.And no more immigrants should be allowed.

I can't close my eyes seeing these kids dying in waters like this......and going by the national news channels, majority of our countrymen are glad that we shut our doors against them.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Like you said if India is for Indians only and our resources are for ourselves, why are we allowing the Pakistani refugees to get citizenship here even if it is by legal means? We have 1.3 billion to take care of.

India is the natural homeland for hindus. Just like Pakistan and Bangladesh are natural homeland for muslims. So makes sense the hindus from east and west get refuge in india.

 

[kaayal]

India is the natural homeland for hindus. Just like Pakistan and Bangladesh are natural homeland for muslims. So makes sense the hindus from east and west get refuge in india.

Good that we are giving these hindus a HOME. Who cares what's the reason behind it. They are also humans like this Rohingyas.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Good that we are giving these hindus a HOME. Who cares what's the reason behind it. They are also humans like this Rohingyas.

It is a nations right to protect its demography from being adversely affected. Also subcontinent history has taught us that muslims and hindus are just not compatible. So why change the demography and create more friction, especially when there are muslim homelands in the vicinity. Nothing wrong about caring for your own. Each nation should take steps to care for its own.

 

[kaayal]

It is a nations right to protect its demography from being adversely affected. Also subcontinent history has taught us that muslims and hindus are just not compatible. So why change the demography and create more friction, especially when there are muslim homelands in the vicinity. Nothing wrong about caring for your own. Each nation should take steps to care for its own.

Nothing wrong in taking care of our own. I am not asking to give them citizenship or any other privileges but are we losing anything by giving them food, shelter or protecting them from being killed? I think even this is too much for Indian govt to do.

 

[Muhammad10]

UK suspends aid for Myanmar military

The UK government has suspended financial aid to Myanmar's military amid "ongoing violence" in the country, formerly known as Burma.

Violence in the Rakhine state has seen more than 400,000 Rohingya Muslims flee to neighbouring Bangladesh.

The Ministry of Defence said it had suspended £300,000 of funding until the current situation was resolved.

The UN's human rights chief has said the violence "seems [like] a textbook example of ethnic cleansing".

The £300,000-a-year was used to fund educational courses for the country's military.

But an MoD spokesperson said: "In the light of the ongoing violence... and our deep concern about the human rights abuses that are taking place, we have decided to suspend the educational courses provided to the Burmese military until there is an acceptable resolution to the current situation."

There have been reports that the state military have been burning down Rohingya villages.

Earlier Myanmar's de facto leader, Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi, said there had been "no conflicts" in the region since 5 September and there had been no "clearance operations" for two weeks.

But the BBC's Jonathan Head, who is reporting from neighbouring Bangladesh, said he had seen a village being burned on 7 September, and columns of smoke suggesting others had suffered a similar fate.

Ms Suu Kyi has come under heavy criticism from the UN's chief Antonio Guterres, who said the she has "a last chance" to halt the army offensive.

Speaking to the BBC's HARDtalk programme, the UN secretary general said it was clear that Myanmar's military "still have the upper hand" in the country.

And the UN's human rights chief Zeid Raad Al Hussein said on 19 September that the security operation "seems a textbook example of ethnic cleansing", and called for an end to the "cruel military operation".

How did the violence start?

Violence in the region began on 25 August when Rohingya militants allegedly killed 12 people in attacks on police posts.

The attack was blamed on the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (Arsa).

Since then hundreds of thousands of Rohingya Muslims - a stateless minority in the Buddhist-majority state Rakhine - have fled Myanmar for Bangladesh near the city of Cox's Bazar.

Rohingya's claim that they are being forced out of their villages by the state's military, whereas the state claims that the refugees and Muslim militants are burning their own homes.

On Monday Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said: "I have spoken to [Ms Suu Kyi] several times since this whole disaster began, and it is barbaric what is happening to the Rohingya, there can be no doubt about it.

"I think, what everybody wants, we want the killing to stop, number one, and that's a message I've given her."

Access to the Rakhine region is restricted by the state, meaning that journalists are only allowed into the area on government-controlled trips.

In a speech to Myanmar's parliament on Tuesday, Ms Suu Kyi said Rakhine would allow refugees back in to the region, after a "process of verification".

Rohingya Muslims are referred to as Bengali Muslim's by the government, and are denied citizenship and equal opportunities by the government.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41326179

 

[vagabond007ti]

I can't close my eyes seeing these kids dying in waters like this......and going by the national news channels, majority of our countrymen are glad that we shut our doors against them.

I agree with you here. I also understand security risk so feel government should let kids under age of 14 and women stay. Also adult men who are related to these kids and women should also be allowed to stay.
Ideal case would be China putting some pressure on Myanmar government and resolve root cause of this issue. Myanmar's almost 50% trade is with China and they will really feel pressure if Chinese ask them to behave.

I think we are better than deporting kids and women and let them die like this no matter what religion they follow or where they come from.

 

[kaayal]

I agree with you here. I also understand security risk so feel government should let kids under age of 14 and women stay. Also adult men who are related to these kids and women should also be allowed to stay.
Ideal case would be China putting some pressure on Myanmar government and resolve root cause of this issue. Myanmar's almost 50% trade is with China and they will really feel pressure if Chinese ask them to behave.

I think we are better than deporting kids and women and let them die like this no matter what religion they follow or where they come from.

True. Even after being a small country see what Sheik Haseena is saying and doing for them. And here we are deporting the few already present here back to that hellhole.

 

[vagabond007ti]

[/B]
True. Even after being a small country see what Sheik Haseena is saying and doing for them. And here we are deporting the few already present here back to that hellhole.

True. Hope better sense will prevail on this issue among decision makers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I can't close my eyes seeing these kids dying in waters like this......and going by the national news channels, majority of our countrymen are glad that we shut our doors against them.

What about the kid who will die in UP or Bihar this year in winter due to cold exposure?What about those who die in India due to poverty and hunger?Do we have any responsibility towards them?We need to go beyond emotional here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[/B]
True. Even after being a small country see what Sheik Haseena is saying and doing for them. And here we are deporting the few already present here back to that hellhole.

We already have 20mn immigrants.

 

[JaDed]

What about the kid who will die in UP or Bihar this year in winter due to cold exposure?What about those who die in India due to poverty and hunger?Do we have any responsibility towards them?We need to go beyond emotional here.

They will set up tents below the bullet train track that current govn is paying to build,if it's about 'what about' then that is one thing as well.

 

[JaDed]

Mother Teresa would be very disappointed with the Govns decision, irrespective of how it might benefit India in future.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Mother Teresa would be very disappointed with the Govns decision, irrespective of how it might benefit India in future.

Please don't get me started on teresa.

 

[kaayal]

They will set up tents below the bullet train track that current govn is paying to build,if it's about 'what about' then that is one thing as well.

Atleast bullet train is helpful for some. These poor people can set up tent under the massive Sardar Patel statue and the Shivaji statue. These are also paid by the govt.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Atleast bullet train is helpful for some. These poor people can set up tent under the massive Sardar Patel statue and the Shivaji statue. These are also paid by the govt.

This problem wouldn't be there if burma was partitioned, with muslims and buddhists in their owl countries. Having multiple religions, especially in developing countries, is a recipe for disaster.

If you are so concerned, why don't you adopt a poor indian family and keep them within your premises. Why should the nation suffer because people preach morality.

 

[kaayal]

This problem wouldn't be there if burma was partitioned, with muslims and buddhists in their owl countries. Having multiple religions, especially in developing countries, is a recipe for disaster.

If you are so concerned, why don't you adopt a poor indian family and keep them within your premises. Why should the nation suffer because people preach morality.

About helping others, if any poor kid comes to me for food and shelter, i will definitely give them as long as my financial situation permits. If it is not upto me, i will make sure that they are being taken care of by good organisations with the help of my hospital authorities. But then what is this govt is for? Where is our tax payers money going to?statues?? Talk about wrong priority instead of accusing others of morality.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They will set up tents below the bullet train track that current govn is paying to build,if it's about 'what about' then that is one thing as well.

Japan is shouldering 85% of the costs.

Btw look at China.You know their gdp when they first invested in bullet trains

 

[cricketjoshila]

Atleast bullet train is helpful for some. These poor people can set up tent under the massive Sardar Patel statue and the Shivaji statue. These are also paid by the govt.

The people of Maharshtra and Gujarat who are one of the highest taxpayers will say that this is an apt investment in a tourist attraction.

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/mass-grave-28-hindus-found-myanmar-army

More reasons to not have these people in India.

 

[waqar goraya]

https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/mass-grave-28-hindus-found-myanmar-army

More reasons to not have these people in India.

The story could not be independently verified.

How did army manage to ascertain beliefs from the dead bodies of those expired people?

And what are the causes of Hindu/Muslim communal violence in that state?