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Europe should take them. Rohingyas in India will lead pathetic lives. They will have better lives in Europe.

Racist white man in Europe treats these refugees better than pious people in Subcontinent and Middle East.
Why should Europe take them or any refugees for that matter, they have enough issues to tackle, and what exactly has refugees done for Europe, came as refugees and are doing all sort of petty things it's called ehsan faramoshi.
 
About helping others, if any poor kid comes to me for food and shelter, i will definitely give them as long as my financial situation permits. If it is not upto me, i will make sure that they are being taken care of by good organisations with the help of my hospital authorities. But then what is this govt is for? Where is our tax payers money going to?statues?? Talk about wrong priority instead of accusing others of morality.

But what if the poor kid happens to be thug and his intentions are to harm you.
 
The story could not be independently verified.

How did army manage to ascertain beliefs from the dead bodies of those expired people?

And what are the causes of Hindu/Muslim communal violence in that state?

Read the last paragraph of the article.AFP talked to hindu rohingyas.

Whatever the cause of their violence no need to bring it inside India.
 
But what if the poor kid happens to be thug and his intentions are to harm you.

By that logic we should no longer help the poor people in our society. Do you think this mentality will help our country in growing up?

Anyways, I will definitely die one day or the other. . I am more concerned about doing good deeds to my society, my family (as far as i can) and then going to jannat.
 
So much hatred for Rohingyas among Indians, maybe it has something to do with then being Muslims.

Or Perhaps it has something to do with us Indian wanting our Govt use the resources to help our very own Kids/Women/Families( which also includes hundreds and thousands of Muslims) living below poverty line. We currently have more people living below poverty line than entire Pakistani population. Adding refugees will only make it more difficult for us. We can only provide them shelter for short term but they need to look around other places for permanent solution. India isn't financially strong to take in refugees. But you wont understand that as you're bringing religion into it.
 
The story could not be independently verified.

How did army manage to ascertain beliefs from the dead bodies of those expired people?

And what are the causes of Hindu/Muslim communal violence in that state?

By that logic we should no longer help the poor people in our society. Do you think this mentality will help our country in growing up?

Anyways, I will definitely die one day or the other. . I am more concerned about doing good deeds to my society, my family (as far as i can) and then going to jannat.
Their is a difference between helping poor and helping a sure shot threat, jannat is here and hell is here, if you are so engrossed in doing good deeds that the biggest good deed is to serve country not some people who can cause Max. Trouble to ur people.
 
Their is a difference between helping poor and helping a sure shot threat, jannat is here and hell is here, if you are so engrossed in doing good deeds that the biggest good deed is to serve country not some people who can cause Max. Trouble to ur people.

Don't worry bro,I am serving my country by living here itself and contributing it's growth. I definitely don't want to harm my own people but that doesn't mean i should support the stateless killings of Rohingyans by the Myanmar army.
 
So much hatred for Rohingyas among Indians, maybe it has something to do with then being Muslims.

Not maybe, it is their religion. There is resentment that if pakistan and bangladesh were created as muslim homeland, than why should india take in muslim refugees. The posters won't say this, but this is the main reason.
 
Read the last paragraph of the article.AFP talked to hindu rohingyas.

Whatever the cause of their violence no need to bring it inside India.

Now that another separate thread exists I would only say that AFP talking to hindu rohingyas is not directly related to this story. In the opening lines they write that it could not be independently verified. That only alludes to such possibility.
Nevertheless, collective punishment is condemn-able.
 
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Or Perhaps it has something to do with us Indian wanting our Govt use the resources to help our very own Kids/Women/Families( which also includes hundreds and thousands of Muslims) living below poverty line. We currently have more people living below poverty line than entire Pakistani population. Adding refugees will only make it more difficult for us. We can only provide them shelter for short term but they need to look around other places for permanent solution. India isn't financially strong to take in refugees. But you wont understand that as you're bringing religion into it.

What would you say to your government spending billions of rupees in Afghanistan at the expense of millions of poor people at home?
 
Their is a difference between helping poor and helping a sure shot threat, jannat is here and hell is here, if you are so engrossed in doing good deeds that the biggest good deed is to serve country not some people who can cause Max. Trouble to ur people.

Neither Bangladesh nor India has reported any actual violent incident so far. And if there is credible intelligence report that confirms involving of some Rohingyas in terrorism then they should be put behind bars asap and others people should be treated as humans in a humane way.
 
What would you say to your government spending billions of rupees in Afghanistan at the expense of millions of poor people at home?

First of all Afgahistan is our ally, secondly that money is an investment. India can enter central asian market via Afghanistan. Now what do we get investing in Rohingyas? Matter fact they will tomorrow bite the same hand that is gonna feed them. Look no further than Bengalis who have been trouble makers for past 40 years. Sorry, but no thank you! We can provide them temporary shelter but they must leave India
 
Neither Bangladesh nor India has reported any actual violent incident so far. And if there is credible intelligence report that confirms involving of some Rohingyas in terrorism then they should be put behind bars asap and others people should be treated as humans in a humane way.

Sad thing is who is radicalised and who isn't is pretty much impossible to know. The best measure a country can do is to prevent, and in doing so even if it means going extreme so be it. Last thing us Indian wants is 26/11.

I find it amusing that, some posters believe that it is somewhat eternal duty of India to help Rohingyas. India is not obligated to help Rohingyas muslim, hindus or whoever. Yes, provide them short term shelter till security improves or they find shelter in other nations.
 
First of all Afgahistan is our ally, secondly that money is an investment. India can enter central asian market via Afghanistan. Now what do we get investing in Rohingyas? Matter fact they will tomorrow bite the same hand that is gonna feed them. Look no further than Bengalis who have been trouble makers for past 40 years. Sorry, but no thank you! We can provide them temporary shelter but they must leave India

That investment is not going to pay back in terms of transit route at least for another decade. There is no military solution to Afghan issue as it is quite evident from last few decades.
That is quite a poor investment with a lot of risk , that also violates the rights of millions of poor Indians.
 
That investment is not going to pay back in terms of transit route at least for another decade. There is no military solution to Afghan issue as it is quite evident from last few decades.
That is quite a poor investment with a lot of risk , that also violates the rights of millions of poor Indians.

Risk yes, but still there might is possibility of return on it. You didnt answer me what is India's return from investing in Rohingyas?
 
Sad thing is who is radicalised and who isn't is pretty much impossible to know. The best measure a country can do is to prevent, and in doing so even if it means going extreme so be it. Last thing us Indian wants is 26/11.

I find it amusing that, some posters believe that it is somewhat eternal duty of India to help Rohingyas. India is not obligated to help Rohingyas muslim, hindus or whoever. Yes, provide them short term shelter till security improves or they find shelter in other nations.

That's quite hypothetical. India has the right to deport them but it has no right to malign thousands of those miserable souls and stereotyping them as terrorists.
 
That's quite hypothetical. India has the right to deport them but it has no right to malign thousands of those miserable souls and stereotyping them as terrorists.

Please remind me which politicians have labelled them as terrorist? Indian media and intelligence is only stating that some of them could pose a threat which in no means maligning. Let me ask you onething, those who made it to India were actually in Bangladesh prior to crossing the border. They weren't exactly getting killed in Bangladesh, so why did they cross the border? You see it was more of an economic migration from them. They also chose a wrong path that is to crossing border illegally, and that my friend in international term is a threat.
 
That's quite hypothetical. India has the right to deport them but it has no right to malign thousands of those miserable souls and stereotyping them as terrorists.

India has the right to jail them and punish them for illegally entering India. India has intelligence report about rohingyas.
 
Risk yes, but still there might is possibility of return on it. You didnt answer me what is India's return from investing in Rohingyas?

Now that we have ventured into extreme possibilities with possibility of return on investment, possibility of radicalization and possibility of another 26/11 because of Rohingyas. It could also be possible that some of those children might turn out to be noble professionals, scientists etc....

Notwithstanding above possibilities, those people can solely be helped on humanitarian grounds.
 
Now that we have ventured into extreme possibilities with possibility of return on investment, possibility of radicalization and possibility of another 26/11 because of Rohingyas. It could also be possible that some of those children might turn out to be noble professionals, scientists etc....

Notwithstanding above possibilities, those people can solely be helped on humanitarian grounds.

Remind me how many of Bangladeshi have added to our economy in last 40 years?
If i recall correctly, they have been causing riots in North east states of India. Like i said, India have every right to take any measure to prevent such thing happening again. Helping others at the risk of putting its own citizen at risk isn't helping, its foolish thing to do
 
Please remind me which politicians have labelled them as terrorist? Indian media and intelligence is only stating that some of them could pose a threat which in no means maligning. Let me ask you onething, those who made it to India were actually in Bangladesh prior to crossing the border. They weren't exactly getting killed in Bangladesh, so why did they cross the border? You see it was more of an economic migration from them. They also chose a wrong path that is to crossing border illegally, and that my friend in international term is a threat.

Besides these could, would and possibilities. I don't know what other explanation you can drive from branding them as "security risk".
So, they should have applied through proper channel for an Indian visa while being victims of ethnic cleansing?
 
Besides these could, would and possibilities. I don't know what other explanation you can drive from branding them as "security risk".
So, they should have applied through proper channel for an Indian visa while being victims of ethnic cleansing?
Cant u read or intentionally ignoring to read the important thing i stated above?

I said before they entered INDIA, they were already in BANGLADESH. So please tell me what security risk they had in Bangladesh? Why did they chose to cross into India illegally? What was the purose?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...flux-with-bangladesh/articleshow/60739525.cms

So do you agree that their migration to India was pure economic unless ofcourse you think they were also getting killed in Bangladesh.
 
Remind me how many of Bangladeshi have added to our economy in last 40 years?
If i recall correctly, they have been causing riots in North east states of India. Like i said, India have every right to take any measure to prevent such thing happening again. Helping others at the risk of putting its own citizen at risk isn't helping, its foolish thing to do

Do you know of any actual violent and terror related incident committed by these migrants in either India or Bangladesh?
But the point is that a lot of that seemed to be based on assumptions. Many of them are children and women, why can't you have some compassion for them?
 
Do you know of any actual violent and terror related incident committed by these migrants in either India or Bangladesh?
But the point is that a lot of that seemed to be based on assumptions. Many of them are children and women, why can't you have some compassion for them?

I can provide you countless sources and articles about Bangladeshi causing riots in India. Look no further than Assam and how the locals have been victim of religious crimes committed by Bangladeshi muslims. Please you can try to defend however you like it, thats your choice. But please dont shove us down our throat that helping Rohingyas is our responsibility. India will help them in ways that we are capable without risking our country, or its citizens.
 
Cant u read or intentionally ignoring to read the important thing i stated above?

I said before they entered INDIA, they were already in BANGLADESH. So please tell me what security risk they had in Bangladesh? Why did they chose to cross into India illegally? What was the purose?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...flux-with-bangladesh/articleshow/60739525.cms

So do you agree that their migration to India was pure economic unless ofcourse you think they were also getting killed in Bangladesh.

Those people have no nationality that they could apply through valid channels. Bangladesh is not exactly a paradise for those migrants.
They have migrated for the basic urge to survive and not like some of our relatives and acquaintances who left their motherlands for better life when they were living in far better way in their home countries than those stateless people.
 
Do you know of any actual violent and terror related incident committed by these migrants in either India or Bangladesh?
But the point is that a lot of that seemed to be based on assumptions. Many of them are children and women, why can't you have some compassion for them?

If you read again, i clearly said they should be shelter till the security improves in their country, but they should return home. I just dont want my country to bleed again, you being selective with your compassion. You're showing your compassion to Rohingyas because they are muslims, and im showing my compassion to my fellow countrymen based on historic events. Both are right and wrong, it just sad world we live in. I wish everyone can live peacefully and do not have to leave homes to save life.
 
Those people have no nationality that they could apply through valid channels. Bangladesh is not exactly a paradise for those migrants.
They have migrated for the basic urge to survive and not like some of our relatives and acquaintances who left their motherlands for better life when they were living in far better way in their home countries than those stateless people.

So you're accepting that their ultimate motive was economic migration and have nothing to do with them getting slaughter thus chose India?

See, if their motive is economic migration then im sorry to say they are not exactly in any position to demand from our government nor they have valid explanation as to why they left Bangladesh in first place.

Lastly, an economic migration is always permanent, meaning they left Bangladesh for India because they do not ever want to return, and that my friend is illegal and pose a threat.
 
Those people have no nationality that they could apply through valid channels. Bangladesh is not exactly a paradise for those migrants.
They have migrated for the basic urge to survive and not like some of our relatives and acquaintances who left their motherlands for better life when they were living in far better way in their home countries than those stateless people.


Again, you said they had no documents to apply for valid Indian visas. Second you pointed out that Bangladesh isnt paradise.
Let me ask you onething, if they are escaping a butchery, are they in any position to negotiate where they should be staying? They should be thankful that Bangladesh allowed them and provided them safe shelter. But what did they do? Lets cross border illegally and enter India. No matter how you look at it, they committed a crime corssing a border illegally. Mind you this happened back in 2012-13 when there were hardly any refugees in Bangladesh. In last month alone, there were almost half a million refugees in Bangladesh and they seem to be doing just fine, so one must ask this question, why did those 40K decided to leave Bangladesh? What were their exact motive? Even bangladeshi intelligence said some of them pose security threat, and India is only safeguarding her border.
 
I can provide you countless sources and articles about Bangladeshi causing riots in India. Look no further than Assam and how the locals have been victim of religious crimes committed by Bangladeshi muslims. Please you can try to defend however you like it, thats your choice. But please dont shove us down our throat that helping Rohingyas is our responsibility. India will help them in ways that we are capable without risking our country, or its citizens.

You are comparing two different situations. For example these Rohingyas can't launch a separatist struggle. Bengalis are not even migrants in a real sense because they are still in Bengal.

So, the problem is mainly with their being Muslim.

I am not shoving down on your throat. It is your generosity that you find my posts worth replying to. Otherwise, who am i to suggest anything. We only discuss here and time pass.
 
So you're accepting that their ultimate motive was economic migration and have nothing to do with them getting slaughter thus chose India?

See, if their motive is economic migration then im sorry to say they are not exactly in any position to demand from our government nor they have valid explanation as to why they left Bangladesh in first place.

Lastly, an economic migration is always permanent, meaning they left Bangladesh for India because they do not ever want to return, and that my friend is illegal and pose a threat.

So, the real issue is economic threat or terrorists disguised as migrants?



Again, you said they had no documents to apply for valid Indian visas. Second you pointed out that Bangladesh isnt paradise.
Let me ask you onething, if they are escaping a butchery, are they in any position to negotiate where they should be staying? They should be thankful that Bangladesh allowed them and provided them safe shelter. But what did they do? Lets cross border illegally and enter India. No matter how you look at it, they committed a crime corssing a border illegally. Mind you this happened back in 2012-13 when there were hardly any refugees in Bangladesh. In last month alone, there were almost half a million refugees in Bangladesh and they seem to be doing just fine, so one must ask this question, why did those 40K decided to leave Bangladesh? What were their exact motive? Even bangladeshi intelligence said some of them pose security threat, and India is only safeguarding her border.

Oh boy, it is hard to say that they were doing just fine. With some aid and media attention they might find some help for few weeks but afterwards it is going to be the same misery for them.
 
So, the real issue is economic threat or terrorists disguised as migrants?





Oh boy, it is hard to say that they were doing just fine. With some aid and media attention they might find some help for few weeks but afterwards it is going to be the same misery for them.

The real issues are both economic burden and terrorist from BD disguised as refugee entering India. You know we arent rich countries plus these bunch wanting to make India their home. On both counts its a concern for India.

You failed to explain me why is it our responsibility if they fail to survive in BD economically? Every year millions of people die in India due to poverty, hunger, etc. I dont see you showing compassion for Indians?

Lets face it the reason we are having this discussion is because them being Muslims and the host nation is India.

They should be sent back to Bangladesh refugee camps. India should provide food and other aid for time being till they are economically self reliant(which i highly doubt will be anytime soon).
 
You are comparing two different situations. For example these Rohingyas can't launch a separatist struggle. Bengalis are not even migrants in a real sense because they are still in Bengal.

So, the problem is mainly with their being Muslim.

I am not shoving down on your throat. It is your generosity that you find my posts worth replying to. Otherwise, who am i to suggest anything. We only discuss here and time pass.

what kind of rubbish logic is that? So just because its state of Bengal and them speaking bengali gives them a right to demand seperate country? For your information they already got their seperate country in 1947 EAST PAKISTAN was created to cater those Bengali speaking muslims. Thats where they no longer hold right in West Bengal, India.

Ok lets leave Bengal aside, What right do they have in Assam? Manipur? why riot there?

I seriously dont get how can u justify the actions of Bangladeshis here, muslims or not i dont care. THEY ARE BANGLADESHIS AND SHOULD BE KICKED OUT.

You're seeing things biased and i dont blame you, just how an average Pakistani see India.


You asked me why an average Indian do not have compassions, this is why we dont show compassions, last time we did and helped our neighbour, they backstabbed us.
 
So, the real issue is economic threat or terrorists disguised as migrants?





Oh boy, it is hard to say that they were doing just fine. With some aid and media attention they might find some help for few weeks but afterwards it is going to be the same misery for them.

Please explain me why should an average Indian cares if Rohingyas werent economically doing 'Just Fine' They werent getting killed in Bangladesh, so why enter India? why not try to work with UN and Bangladeshi govt to find a middle ground? Why chose a route that they very well knew will get them in trouble? Why cross border illegally?
 
The real issues are both economic burden and terrorist from BD disguised as refugee entering India. You know we arent rich countries plus these bunch wanting to make India their home. On both counts its a concern for India.

You failed to explain me why is it our responsibility if they fail to survive in BD economically? Every year millions of people die in India due to poverty, hunger, etc. I dont see you showing compassion for Indians?

Lets face it the reason we are having this discussion is because them being Muslims and the host nation is India.

They should be sent back to Bangladesh refugee camps. India should provide food and other aid for time being till they are economically self reliant(which i highly doubt will be anytime soon).

We have already debated perceived economic and alleged security threats.

It is not India's responsibility if they fail in BD but there is no harm in treating them with respect. Again you don't note the difference between favorable economic incentives and basic survival thing.

I am having this discussion because i find Indian government's stance as extreme and hollow. It ill behoves a democratic and secular country.

If they can be forced back into BD camps then India as far bigger country can also arrange refugee camps for them.
 
what kind of rubbish logic is that? So just because its state of Bengal and them speaking bengali gives them a right to demand seperate country? For your information they already got their seperate country in 1947 EAST PAKISTAN was created to cater those Bengali speaking muslims. Thats where they no longer hold right in West Bengal, India.

Ok lets leave Bengal aside, What right do they have in Assam? Manipur? why riot there?

I seriously dont get how can u justify the actions of Bangladeshis here, muslims or not i dont care. THEY ARE BANGLADESHIS AND SHOULD BE KICKED OUT.

You're seeing things biased and i dont blame you, just how an average Pakistani see India.


You asked me why an average Indian do not have compassions, this is why we dont show compassions, last time we did and helped our neighbour, they backstabbed us.

I don't remember where i judged the righteousness of their cause. Right or wrong, i have nothing to do with that. I merely pointed to the different situations of innumerable Bengalis and these few Rohingyas.
 
Please explain me why should an average Indian cares if Rohingyas werent economically doing 'Just Fine' They werent getting killed in Bangladesh, so why enter India? why not try to work with UN and Bangladeshi govt to find a middle ground? Why chose a route that they very well knew will get them in trouble? Why cross border illegally?

That could also happen. But the situation back home is exactly not conducive.
 
We have already debated perceived economic and alleged security threats.

It is not India's responsibility if they fail in BD but there is no harm in treating them with respect. Again you don't note the difference between favorable economic incentives and basic survival thing.

I am having this discussion because i find Indian government's stance as extreme and hollow. It ill behoves a democratic and secular country.

If they can be forced back into BD camps then India as far bigger country can also arrange refugee camps for them.

Like i said earlier, sometimes extreme stand must be taken to ensure the safety of its citizens.

If they had entered India legally or if they had enter India directly from Myanmar escaping crimes, my stand would been very different infact Id be backing them to stay till they are free to go back and resume their lives. Although i would still be against them making India their permanent home.

But what actually happened is both shame and worrisome for us. Shame because after all the huge investment in sealing border still thousands of folks sneaked in. Worrysome because some coule be a threat.

India shall sent them back to BD and provide them aid and with the help of UN, should launch resettlement program. But until they return back to BD, Indian govt wouldnt help them. Mind you, their lives in India is no better than what could've been in BD. They are left to rot near gutters and some of them are carring infectious diseases(kids could be carrying Polio virus)
They also pose a biological threat( healthcare)

Just google and see how terrible life they are living in India.
Indian govt is helping the ones in BD but will not help the ones in India. Doing so will only encourage them to continue to stay in India which Indian govt doesnt want.
 
That could also happen. But the situation back home is exactly not conducive.

I was Talking about them finding middle ground when they were in BD. Instead they took matter in their own hands and crossed border illegally.

They should've trusted Bangladesh authorities more and should've showed some committment to find the solution. Their actions have only irked the Indian govt.
 
I don't remember where i judged the righteousness of their cause. Right or wrong, i have nothing to do with that. I merely pointed to the different situations of innumerable Bengalis and these few Rohingyas.

So you agree that Bangladeshi refugees have been troublesome for India?
 
Like i said earlier, sometimes extreme stand must be taken to ensure the safety of its citizens.

If they had entered India legally or if they had enter India directly from Myanmar escaping crimes, my stand would been very different infact Id be backing them to stay till they are free to go back and resume their lives. Although i would still be against them making India their permanent home.

But what actually happened is both shame and worrisome for us. Shame because after all the huge investment in sealing border still thousands of folks sneaked in. Worrysome because some coule be a threat.

India shall sent them back to BD and provide them aid and with the help of UN, should launch resettlement program. But until they return back to BD, Indian govt wouldnt help them. Mind you, their lives in India is no better than what could've been in BD. They are left to rot near gutters and some of them are carring infectious diseases(kids could be carrying Polio virus)
They also pose a biological threat( healthcare)

Just google and see how terrible life they are living in India.
Indian govt is helping the ones in BD but will not help the ones in India. Doing so will only encourage them to continue to stay in India which Indian govt doesnt want.

So, in short the problem is that they can't be treated as humans, they are an economic threat, a health hazard and a security risk; and add to that of Muslim faith.
 
So you agree that Bangladeshi refugees have been troublesome for India?

Insurgency is not a blessing for any country, it is a grave security challenge, irrespective to the issue on which grounds that is based.

But that in no way means that these Rohingyas, way smaller in numbers, will pose same challenges.

Nevertheless, for the time being, considering the grim situation in both BD and Myanmar they can be allowed to extend their stay.
 
Muslim thing was one concern. Can't believe you are describing them as not being worthy of humans.

Im only ending the debate as we are only circling around.

Secondly, im muslim myself so im not against their faith, im only highlighting that they should've trusted a bit more on BD authorities before taking matters in their own hands. Even assuming all 40K are geunine and innocent, there could be a possibility that non refugee sneaked in along with them and could do some serious damage. I hope that never happens, because if it does im afraid the anger mobs would pose threat to them.

They need to follow the rules of the nation. Being a refugee doesnt allow individuals to breakfree as per their wish.
 
Insurgency is not a blessing for any country, it is a grave security challenge, irrespective to the issue on which grounds that is based.

But that in no way means that these Rohingyas, way smaller in numbers, will pose same challenges.

Nevertheless, for the time being, considering the grim situation in both BD and Myanmar they can be allowed to extend their stay.

I agree on ur last statement, for time being they shall be allowed to stay in India but more in confined camps where they can be monitored. All of them should be given Hepatitis A/B vaccinations and youngones should be given polio doses. Lets try to contain biological threat.

Also, India should urge US and West to provide Aid money. 1 person wouldn't cost more than $10K a year to look after, so 40K refugees would require close $400M.
If UN provides even half of that would still go long way. However, best possible solution is to create a ceasefire in Myanmar and help to build their homes and gradually allow them resume lives.

India cant afford to shed half a billion dollar every year to look after refugees.
 
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