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Government to issue ID cards, passports to Bengali and Afghan refugees born in Pakistan

I already suggested a solution. The answer is Amnesty.

The blanket birther rule is insane. It's an open invite to mass immigration and even to undesirables, you will have no choice in letting them stay. Like most things in Pakistan. The law is an *** designed by idiots, who haven't thought anything through.

This is an invite to change demographics of smaller provinces. The baloch in particular are very bitter and that resentment could grow into something lot bigger. As I said, IK should settle stranded Pakistanis in KP.

Those questioning me, the UK does not give you citizenship due to birth. Every now and then they have amnesty for those staying illegally over a certain period of time. I am saying that Pakistan should also have the same rules and keep control of who it chooses to give citezenship.

However Ameica and Canada do grant birthright citizenship, also even if you pass a law that abolishes the birther rule, it can't be retroactive - meaning people born before the date the rule was abolished can't lose their citizenship.

They can grant citizenship to everybody born in Pakistan ans then pass a law abolishing so that anybody born after ×/×/2019 won't be a citizen by birth.
 
The best way to make them stop supporting enemy nations is to make them adopt and love the Pakistani identity. Inclusive policy works better than treating as outsiders. If Pakistan was originally created as a homeland for Muslims, why would Afghans or Bengalis feel like outsiders anyway?

Coz they have never been loyal to Pakistanis rather have forever stabbed us in the back. Afghans in particular are the most ungrateful people have lived in Pak forever it seems yet always been traitors to the hand that feeds them. Pakistani is for those who love the country not those who hate it.
 
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Afghans simply hate us, they call Pakistan army a terrorist organization.

I just read a news that IK wants open border with Afghanistan( said this during 26th july speech). What is wrong with this man. There is nothing worse than open border with Afghanistan

He recently gave free 40,000 tones wheat to Afghanistan when our kids in thar and Balochistan are dying of hunger and there is stunted growth which he talks about. I don't understand his bias towards Afghanistan. Please don't disappoint us Imran Khan.

Last time Pathans took over Afghan policy, we ended up moving away from our traditional allies of Tajiks to putting all eggs in the Pashtun basket..... look where that got us.

Someone needs to look IK in the eye and tell him stop this nonsense and come back to reality.

The reality is that you can't civilise people who resort to barabarism at the drop of a hat. Having an open border is madness.
 
Who defines what is anti-Pakistan and pro-Pakistan? People like you often even blame people of Karachi to be anti-Pakistan, so I would recommend you stop handing out certifications of nationalism.

Pro Pakistanis are those who love and do well by the country Einstein! Anti are your beloved Afghan brothers who have always wanted the worst for Pakistan no matter where they live in the country. Oh I see so you want an organisation in Pak to define what anti or pro Pakistani is? We the people of Pakistani ethnicity living in Pak or abroad are the ones who define who should live in the country. You are welcome to move to Kabul if you love them so much. No matter what country if you live there yet speak poorly about it then ought to be thrown out. Go to some Afghan forum to see how much your brothers across the border love you.
 
Imagine this, everyone couple in Afghanistan can come to Pakistan and have a kid born in a hospital, get the birth certificates, promptly apply for citizenship for the child and get citizenship for entire family..... millions can do this.
 
Imagine this, everyone couple in Afghanistan can come to Pakistan and have a kid born in a hospital, get the birth certificates, promptly apply for citizenship for the child and get citizenship for entire family..... millions can do this.

Once they know that they are safe in Pakistan, they might start contributing to our economy.
 
Pro Pakistanis are those who love and do well by the country Einstein! Anti are your beloved Afghan brothers who have always wanted the worst for Pakistan no matter where they live in the country. Oh I see so you want an organisation in Pak to define what anti or pro Pakistani is? We the people of Pakistani ethnicity living in Pak or abroad are the ones who define who should live in the country. You are welcome to move to Kabul if you love them so much. No matter what country if you live there yet speak poorly about it then ought to be thrown out. Go to some Afghan forum to see how much your brothers across the border love you.

Here’s the thing bro. A pro Pakistani person is someone who speak for the betterment of Pakistan. Now you are free to believe that Pakistan is flawless and no “pro Pakistani” should have a poor opinion about it, but without acknowledging the harsh realities of Pakistan, you can not claim to be patriotic or pro Pakistani.
 
Here’s the thing bro. A pro Pakistani person is someone who speak for the betterment of Pakistan. Now you are free to believe that Pakistan is flawless and no “pro Pakistani” should have a poor opinion about it, but without acknowledging the harsh realities of Pakistan, you can not claim to be patriotic or pro Pakistani.

They don't have to be pro-Pakistan, just stop being racist towards Pakistanis, stop looking down and despising Pakistanis, stop saying they want to create a greater afghanistan and takeover half of Pakistan (that's unconstitutional). That's not much, just the bare minimum.
 
They don't have to be pro-Pakistan, just stop being racist towards Pakistanis, stop looking down and despising Pakistanis, stop saying they want to create a greater afghanistan and takeover half of Pakistan (that's unconstitutional). That's not much, just the bare minimum.

I’m sure that the majority of the Afghan refugees don’t share this view.
 
If they have been living in Pakistan for 20-30 years then there is nothing wrong with that. But it is concerning how Karachi has been the home to so many of these migrants and that really takes a toll on the resources especially water.
 
If they have been living in Pakistan for 20-30 years then there is nothing wrong with that. But it is concerning how Karachi has been the home to so many of these migrants and that really takes a toll on the resources especially water.

That’s exactly why we need to know how many Afghan refugees are living in Pakistan and the only way to know that is by providing a sense of security to these refugees so that they can voluntarily come forward and identify themselves as such.
 
Shocked at some of the hate coming out in this thread.

How can you conflate some idiot burning the Pak flag in Afghanistan, with a 6 year old kid who can't even go to school cos of he's essentially stateless and without documents, and forced to trawl through the trash to bring something home which his mom can sell.

This will allow him to go to school, and make himself and Pakistan better.

Why would you think someone who created Shaukhat Khanum hospital/Namal knowledge city etc would side with hate over ensuring these kids have a chance?
 
I think, this is right call, if it's limited to only those people already living there, which I think is the case. It's not like I take my pregnant wife to Lahore for a month and the kid gets a Pakistani passport. If they do proper sanity checking, this is a good decision for 2 reasons.

1. This actually isn't increasing PAK's over population problem - these people are already living in PAK. Rather, this will help the Cities with such over crowding issues (probably Karachi is most affected), because now with a legal status (& work permit), these people can spread across PAK, which will decrease pressure on Karachi.

2. Many of these people live in inhuman condition without any social security or income source and they can't go to proper authority for protection. Therefore, these hapless people are the easiest source (of manpower) for terrorism, drug dealings, prostitution, political rampage... Giving them an identity makes the society more secure.

Also, people living such life always dreams that their kids can have a better life - most of their kids often out performs their parents from that urge of changing life. Giving these people citizenship, means facilitating many conscious guardians. I have always seen that desperate situation brings out the best creativity - USA's economy and technology was mostly built by a tiny number of Jews that fled from Europe; before that Irish people and other European immigrants. Similarly, their sports is dominated by Black people, something we can see in French football as well.

However, if this is used by PTI goons to earn some cheap money, by selling PAK passport to whoever wants to buy it - it'll be a disaster; half of South Asian terrorists & goons will end in PAK as citizens.
 
Shocked at some of the hate coming out in this thread.

How can you conflate some idiot burning the Pak flag in Afghanistan, with a 6 year old kid who can't even go to school cos of he's essentially stateless and without documents, and forced to trawl through the trash to bring something home which his mom can sell.

This will allow him to go to school, and make himself and Pakistan better.

Why would you think someone who created Shaukhat Khanum hospital/Namal knowledge city etc would side with hate over ensuring these kids have a chance?

There is no way you can stop baddies from setting up roots with this law.

What is needed is an amnesty and you set the terms how you want it.

Come to think of it, this is open border policy. They might as well stop fencing the Afghan border and save money. This is a terrible mistake from IK.
 
Here’s the thing bro. A pro Pakistani person is someone who speak for the betterment of Pakistan. Now you are free to believe that Pakistan is flawless and no “pro Pakistani” should have a poor opinion about it, but without acknowledging the harsh realities of Pakistan, you can not claim to be patriotic or pro Pakistani.

Not sure what you are on about with your "flawless" comment when I said nothing as such. What I am stating is that a Pakistani hater like most Afghans can never be pro-Paks. There is a big difference between hating a country and constructive criticism. Most honest Pakistanis know how Afghans hate Pakistan, this is a simple fact nothing pro or anti Pak about it.
 
Not sure what you are on about with your "flawless" comment when I said nothing as such. What I am stating is that a Pakistani hater like most Afghans can never be pro-Paks. There is a big difference between hating a country and constructive criticism. Most honest Pakistanis know how Afghans hate Pakistan, this is a simple fact nothing pro or anti Pak about it.

I see lot of hypocrites in this thread. If this was enacted by NS or Zardari, they would have been apoplectic.
 
Not sure what you are on about with your "flawless" comment when I said nothing as such. What I am stating is that a Pakistani hater like most Afghans can never be pro-Paks. There is a big difference between hating a country and constructive criticism. Most honest Pakistanis know how Afghans hate Pakistan, this is a simple fact nothing pro or anti Pak about it.

There’s a thing called hyperbole and ppl use it every now and then. But personality clashes aside, do you really believe that the majority of Afghan refugees hate us? The thing is that desperate communities tend to express their frustration towards the system with harsh words and sentiments. That doesn’t always mean that they hate Pakistan per say. I have known Afghan refugees who have resentments against ISI, Rangers and/or Police because they have had unpleasant experiences in their dealings with them. That doesn’t make them anti Pakistan. That only makes them the victims of a system that has shown a severe lack of empathy and an acute level of antipathy towards them and towards basic human dignity.
 
A person born in a country has all the right to call that his home country, you can't deny that.
 
Shocked at some of the hate coming out in this thread.

How can you conflate some idiot burning the Pak flag in Afghanistan, with a 6 year old kid who can't even go to school cos of he's essentially stateless and without documents, and forced to trawl through the trash to bring something home which his mom can sell.

This will allow him to go to school, and make himself and Pakistan better.

Why would you think someone who created Shaukhat Khanum hospital/Namal knowledge city etc would side with hate over ensuring these kids have a chance?

I remember the day when an Afghan boy was shot in the head for demanding the payment for his services as a cleaner from a house owner. Ppl think of Afghan refugees as easy prays and take advantage of them every day in Pakistan because they know that the Afghans cannot seek help from the formal justice system so they can get away with it.
 
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There’s a thing called hyperbole and ppl use it every now and then. But personality clashes aside, do you really believe that the majority of Afghan refugees hate us? The thing is that desperate communities tend to express their frustration towards the system with harsh words and sentiments. That doesn’t always mean that they hate Pakistan per say. I have known Afghan refugees who have resentments against ISI, Rangers and/or Police because they have had unpleasant experiences in their dealings with them. That doesn’t make them anti Pakistan. That only makes them the victims of a system that has shown a severe lack of empathy and an acute level of antipathy towards them and towards basic human dignity.

Rather I think you just can't point out where I said Pak was a flawless country. Yes most Afghans are full of hate towards Pak that you can see on their forums. Anyone who propagates violence against the country they live in should be thrown out, simple. This includes Pakistanis living in the west as well. ISI's job is to protect Pakistan and it's citizens that troubles Afghan refugee's many of whom have had and continue to have terrorist links. Any Pak agency has every right to question suspects which is the case everywhere including the west. I do see the difference between Pak haters and suspects, unfortunately most Afghans belong to the former. These Afghans have messed up the FATA and KPK area as well that I have heard from many people living there, why should Pak put up with these backward and violent people? If the Pak system bothers them so much get out and go back to where they came from. I don't trust them and I don't like them.
 
Yes that should be on the agenda... those people have lived all their lives in BD as second class citizens. Also their children have been born in BD and grown up there but their government does not recognize them. Either Pak should lobby with BD government to get them their rights or offer to bring them back.

Pls don't say things without knowing it properly. Bihari Children who were minor in 71 or born after the independence have already been declared as the citizens of Babgladesh. They r even allowed to vote in our Parliamentary election.

It's the older generation biharis who don't want to integrate or show any loyalty towards Bangladesh. Most of the older biharis want to go back to Pakistan and still waiting for Pak govt to take them back.
 
Rather I think you just can't point out where I said Pak was a flawless country. Yes most Afghans are full of hate towards Pak that you can see on their forums. Anyone who propagates violence against the country they live in should be thrown out, simple. This includes Pakistanis living in the west as well. ISI's job is to protect Pakistan and it's citizens that troubles Afghan refugee's many of whom have had and continue to have terrorist links. Any Pak agency has every right to question suspects which is the case everywhere including the west. I do see the difference between Pak haters and suspects, unfortunately most Afghans belong to the former. These Afghans have messed up the FATA and KPK area as well that I have heard from many people living there, why should Pak put up with these backward and violent people? If the Pak system bothers them so much get out and go back to where they came from. I don't trust them and I don't like them.

I’m just sad to see this kind of ethnic profiling and reductionism. The job of Police is to serve a common man, yet we all know its attitude towards the common man. The job of ISI is to protect ppl but it’s not the job of ISI to kick an Afghan Immigrant, legal or otherwise, when he is down. And it’s inhuman to tell ppl to leave your country when you know that the said country is in a war torn region. More importantly, I am just sad at your lack of empathy towards a community who is suffering from the worst kind of atrocities. The Afghan refugees don’t have a choice! Ppl are hurt and we should all have enough decency to acknowledge that. You don’t get to judge someone’s words when they are grieving for those they have lost.
 
Pls don't say things without knowing it properly. Bihari Children who were minor in 71 or born after the independence have already been declared as the citizens of Babgladesh. They r even allowed to vote in our Parliamentary election.

It's the older generation biharis who don't want to integrate or show any loyalty towards Bangladesh. Most of the older biharis want to go back to Pakistan and still waiting for Pak govt to take them back.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/i...light-biharis-bangla-2014325152839952229.html

This is from 2014, has anything changed in the last 4 years?

Despite getting citizenship rights thousands continue to languish inside the refugee camps in Dhaka.

“Some of us have college and university degrees, yet we struggle to get jobs. We are forced to work as day labourers, rickshawpullers,” says Muhammad Hasan, 24.

Many Biharis aspire to go to Middle East particularly Kuwait, Saudi Arabia to work, but few are able to get a passport.

Older Biharis still hope for repatriation. But the younger generation considers themselves as Bangladeshis, they only wish for acceptance and their living conditions to improve.
 
I’m just sad to see this kind of ethnic profiling and reductionism. The job of Police is to serve a common man, yet we all know its attitude towards the common man. The job of ISI is to protect ppl but it’s not the job of ISI to kick an Afghan Immigrant, legal or otherwise, when he is down. And it’s inhuman to tell ppl to leave your country when you know that the said country is in a war torn region. More importantly, I am just sad at your lack of empathy towards a community who is suffering from the worst kind of atrocities. The Afghan refugees don’t have a choice! Ppl are hurt and we should all have enough decency to acknowledge that. You don’t get to judge someone’s words when they are grieving for those they have lost.

I have never had any good experiences with Afghans anywhere. Now you are talking about the treatment of Pak police towards common Pakistanis which has nothing to do with the debate here. I have never seen the ISI kick the Afghan refugee's unless you mean metaphorically? I have no problems with pro 1971 Pakistanis now off Bangladeshi background being given Pak nationality however not these ungrateful and violence addicted Afghans. Well the community you are so worried about has caused nothing but trouble for Pakistan. I have never heard any Afghan ever thank Pakistan for taking them in instead they are much more thankful to India. Iran got it right by treating them like they should be, that is partly the reason why they have controlled Afghan violence better then us. The choice they have is to go back to their refugee camps before our own Pathans turn on them moreover think of those Pakistanis who have been the victims of their violence before you start crying for them. I am so very glad that millions of Afghans have been deported over the past few years like a friend in Peshawar was telling me truck loads of them are taken every day to Afghanistan. From there they can hate Pakistan all they want! Get these trouble makers out!
 

And what's ur point exactly? That article says that thousands of biharis aren't getting jobs even after having college/University degree.

There are hundreds of thousands of Bengalis who aren't getting jobs even after having masters degree. So? These biharis will have find job by themselves. Nobody is going to hand it over to them. If BD government had a policy that prevented these biharis from getting the job, then ur post would've made sense. But that's not the case here. All the young biharis have already been accepted as the citizens of Bangladesh. They can do whatever they want. Nobody is forcing them to live in the refugee camps.
 
And what's ur point exactly? That article says that thousands of biharis aren't getting jobs even after having college/University degree.

There are hundreds of thousands of Bengalis who aren't getting jobs even after having masters degree. So? These biharis will have find job by themselves. Nobody is going to hand it over to them. If BD government had a policy that prevented these biharis from getting the job, then ur post would've made sense. But that's not the case here. All the young biharis have already been accepted as the citizens of Bangladesh. They can do whatever they want. Nobody is forcing them to live in the refugee camps.

dude you sound like those white supremacists who look down on anybody different from them. Y'all are keeping them down and not integrating them, had your govt been successful they would still be asking to become Pakistani citizens.
 
We feel happy when we get nationality of foreign country after 5 and some years.

We always talk about problems of Kashmiris, we love to talk aboht Rohinya, we love to talk about rights of Palestinians e.t.c e.t.c but here even our 1951 act says that Pakistani nationality should be given to those who fulfill all the criteria.

After a thorough check, proper Nationality should be given to Afghanis, Biharis and all.
 
Its a positive step but there is nothing surprisiing about the racist reactions on this thread. Good job IK. I hope he does something similar soon for stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh.
 
Wow@this thread.

Bunch of hypocrites. The things Pakistani's do to get a British passport, and here they are, denying LEGITIMATE claimants their rights.
 
PM Khan's speech in the NA on the issue :

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And what's ur point exactly? That article says that thousands of biharis aren't getting jobs even after having college/University degree.

There are hundreds of thousands of Bengalis who aren't getting jobs even after having masters degree. So? These biharis will have find job by themselves. Nobody is going to hand it over to them. If BD government had a policy that prevented these biharis from getting the job, then ur post would've made sense. But that's not the case here. All the young biharis have already been accepted as the citizens of Bangladesh. They can do whatever they want. Nobody is forcing them to live in the refugee camps.

The fact that they have citizenship, have degrees, and even want to integrate, but are still languishing inside refugee camps and can only get labour jobs pretty much tells that they are not being integrated into society due to lack of acceptance.
 
PM Khan's speech in the NA on the issue :

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Did he mention the stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh... are they not human?

I would like him to take the lead and offer them passports and have them settle in KP.
 
The more I think about it, the more I convince myself that IK wants an open border with Afghanistan on the sly. And secondly create a hard core vote bank for itself in Karachi and balochistan.
 
I have never had any good experiences with Afghans anywhere. Now you are talking about the treatment of Pak police towards common Pakistanis which has nothing to do with the debate here. I have never seen the ISI kick the Afghan refugee's unless you mean metaphorically? I have no problems with pro 1971 Pakistanis now off Bangladeshi background being given Pak nationality however not these ungrateful and violence addicted Afghans. Well the community you are so worried about has caused nothing but trouble for Pakistan. I have never heard any Afghan ever thank Pakistan for taking them in instead they are much more thankful to India. Iran got it right by treating them like they should be, that is partly the reason why they have controlled Afghan violence better then us. The choice they have is to go back to their refugee camps before our own Pathans turn on them moreover think of those Pakistanis who have been the victims of their violence before you start crying for them. I am so very glad that millions of Afghans have been deported over the past few years like a friend in Peshawar was telling me truck loads of them are taken every day to Afghanistan. From there they can hate Pakistan all they want! Get these trouble makers out!

Your a sad human being. These people you want to kick out have been living here their whole life. Who wouldnt want to go back to their homeland. Its violence that has caused them to live in these pathetic situations in pakistan. Your opinion on Afghans is straight racism. Your opinion on afghan is what redneck americans think of Pakistanis.
 
Supporting Khan on citizenship

Prime Minister Imran Khan has announced that all Afghan and Bangladeshi refugees born in this country will now be granted Pakistani nationality. This is to be welcomed. Especially considering that much of the refugee population has been living here for more than three decades; in a state of legal limbo. With the fear of forced repatriation forever looming large.

According to the UN, Pakistan is home to the world’s largest refugee population; sheltering some 2.7 million in total. That Afghans make up the majority has long caused tensions within the country. The military establishment has been known to link their presence to increased militancy within national borders. While certain sections of the so-called liberal elite have accused the Afghans of demonstrating insufficient gratitude to the host nation. Though it is hard to see what is expected on this front from a community that has been routinely vilified and kept effectively shackled; decade-after-decade. Around 60 percent of Afghan refugees were born here in Pakistan.

Following Khan’s surprise move, it is anticipated that 1.5 million registered Afghans will now be brought fully into the mainstream. As well as the 200,000-strong Bangladeshi community, including the Rohingya, that have endured uncertain status for even longer. Global rights groups have applauded the development; with many having accused previous regimes of waging a campaign of intimidation to effectively force refugees across borders. Nevertheless, international human rights defenders are remaining cautious until details linked to the setting up of appropriate mechanisms and enforcement procedures are forthcoming.

Yet not everyone is happy. Pundits here at home accuse the PTI chief of opportunism. Pointing to the fact that ethnic Pashtuns in Karachi voted overwhelmingly for Khan’s party in this summer’s general election. Thus the contention is that the citizenship drive will naturally consolidate future vote banks. And then there are concerns over how the move will impact already fraught ethnic tensions in Sindh and Balochistan. Similarly, there have been calls to let Parliament decide the matter; amid criticism of the politics of unilateralism.

To be clear, however, the Prime Minister is advocating nothing radical. Except honouring existing laws. The Pakistan Citizenship Act, 1951, provides nationality to all those born here; excluding the children of foreign diplomats, “enemy aliens” as well as those who migrated from territories that became Pakistan post-Partition. Thus we, here at this newspaper, support Khan as he seeks to ensure that justice is finally delivered to the most marginalised. All the while keeping in mind that integration is always to be favoured over apartheid and that treatment of minorities represents one of democracy’s most important benchmarks. Indeed, failure to do right by these communities severely weakens the moral authority to call on those, particularly in the West, to, say, treat Muslim populations, including refugees, with dignity.

Many Pakistanis rightly speak out against Fortress Europe closing its borders to those fleeing NATO bullets and bombs; Britain’s forced ‘repatriation’ of the Windrush generation; or India’s moves to expel millions of Bangladeshis from the eastern state of Assam. Yet they must, too, recognise the extent of their own hypocrisy when they reject constitutional steps to realise the fundamental rights of all those living within the country’s borders. It is called being on the right side of history. However belatedly so.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/299547/supporting-khan-on-citizenship/
 
Your a sad human being. These people you want to kick out have been living here their whole life. Who wouldnt want to go back to their homeland. Its violence that has caused them to live in these pathetic situations in pakistan. Your opinion on Afghans is straight racism. Your opinion on afghan is what redneck americans think of Pakistanis.

I actually don’t blame him. He’s also a victim of the propaganda machinery.
 
Some of the straight out hate on the Afghans is disgusting (seems haters came out in force after my first post). The opinions some have re refugees and their children are no different to the right wing parties in the UK and west in general. Let's not punish 1.5 million Afghans for the treachery of some as I know I don't want myself or my family to be tarred by the same brush as the 7/7 bombers
 
Some of the straight out hate on the Afghans is disgusting (seems haters came out in force after my first post). The opinions some have re refugees and their children are no different to the right wing parties in the UK and west in general. Let's not punish 1.5 million Afghans for the treachery of some as I know I don't want myself or my family to be tarred by the same brush as the 7/7 bombers

The first rule of genetics is to spread the genes apart, that's why we have so many good looking babies from interracial couples. As far as I am concerned, don't raise your children to be bigots like you were (indoctrinated) and let them them make up their own mind, However many educated people and "doctors" here think they own their children and actually did them a favour by producing them, these people like their forefathers have a superiority complex regarding their (over) importance, although anyway by the time they're adults and the way the trend is going their belongings (aka children) wont give a crap what their creators think and they will die a very lonely albeit prideful death.
 
The first rule of genetics is to spread the genes apart, that's why we have so many good looking babies from interracial couples. As far as I am concerned, don't raise your children to be bigots like you were (indoctrinated) and let them them make up their own mind, However many educated people and "doctors" here think they own their children and actually did them a favour by producing them, these people like their forefathers have a superiority complex regarding their (over) importance, although anyway by the time they're adults and the way the trend is going their belongings (aka children) wont give a crap what their creators think and they will die a very lonely albeit prideful death.

As somebody that's studied genetics, there is no such rule. "Good looking mixed race babies" is just an opinion, intermarrying just to have goodlooking "mixed children" is a form of self hate and low self esteem. There are just as many ugly mixed people as there are unmixed people, people shouldn't intermarry for the wrong reasons.
 
There seems to be that misconception but a mixed race is good for diversifying the gene pool.
 
There seems to be that misconception but a mixed race is good for diversifying the gene pool.

I don't see this good diversification in pakistan. there was a time when pakistani cricketers were Übermale. hair flowing like the mane of a stallion, where they resembled clint eastwood, sean connery and the original marlboro and brylcreem man. they used to defeat indians first by their machismo and only later by their cricket. they used to rule the hearts of indian women despite being from the enemy country and it was a matter of national shame that the best we had were kapil dev and ravi shashtri who thought being hirsute is a substitute for manliness. where have these pakistani men disappeared? i understand metrosexual shahrukh khan happened to us, further feminizing our males, but you guys still had imran khan to look up to, so why are the stables empty?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan Citizenship 1951 Article (ii) gives citizenship rights to those born in Pakistan after Act operational with some specific exceptions. The PM's decision is in keeping with our laws. Let us not allow fear to overcome human goodness - we are not Trump's USA & right wing EU!</p>— Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/1041701311979433985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Some of the posters in this thread do sound exactly like Trump supporters and EU right wingers though lmao.
 
I don't see this good diversification in pakistan. there was a time when pakistani cricketers were Übermale. hair flowing like the mane of a stallion, where they resembled clint eastwood, sean connery and the original marlboro and brylcreem man. they used to defeat indians first by their machismo and only later by their cricket. they used to rule the hearts of indian women despite being from the enemy country and it was a matter of national shame that the best we had were kapil dev and ravi shashtri who thought being hirsute is a substitute for manliness. where have these pakistani men disappeared? i understand metrosexual shahrukh khan happened to us, further feminizing our males, but you guys still had imran khan to look up to, so why are the stables empty?

Harold & Kumar changed what pop culture wanted from its south asian leading man, this cultural shift redefined masculinity & suddenly men who felt marginilised and unwanted, became the cream of the crop.
 
Just keep them away from Karachi please. Accommodate them in KPK, Islamabad or punjab or any pind.
 
I don't see this good diversification in pakistan. there was a time when pakistani cricketers were Übermale. hair flowing like the mane of a stallion, where they resembled clint eastwood, sean connery and the original marlboro and brylcreem man. they used to defeat indians first by their machismo and only later by their cricket. they used to rule the hearts of indian women despite being from the enemy country and it was a matter of national shame that the best we had were kapil dev and ravi shashtri who thought being hirsute is a substitute for manliness. where have these pakistani men disappeared? i understand metrosexual shahrukh khan happened to us, further feminizing our males, but you guys still had imran khan to look up to, so why are the stables empty?

Indian propaganda media only shows the feminine Pakistani men, but the majority have still kept their 80s Hollywood-like orthodox machismo and overriding virility, it's just that they were oppressed under consecutive PPP/PML-N rules, but under PM Khan they'll be mainstreamed again iA.
 
Indian propaganda media only shows the feminine Pakistani men, but the majority have still kept their 80s Hollywood-like orthodox machismo and overriding virility, it's just that they were oppressed under consecutive PPP/PML-N rules, but under PM Khan they'll be mainstreamed again iA.

i was talking about the cricket team, but perhaps the team has stopped being representative of the nation. even ijaz ahmed used to have more swag, potency and virility than akmals and hafeez. the last testosterone cricketer you had was afridi. even misbah and younis, who may not be the typical outwardly macho pakistanis, had that calm energy and bravery about them and evoked respect from the opposition.
 
i was talking about the cricket team, but perhaps the team has stopped being representative of the nation. even ijaz ahmed used to have more swag, potency and virility than akmals and hafeez. the last testosterone cricketer you had was afridi. even misbah and younis, who may not be the typical outwardly macho pakistanis, had that calm energy and bravery about them and evoked respect from the opposition.

I think the cricket team represents reality, even in the UK we used to assume all Pakistanis looked like our khandan, i.e. Bollywood film stars and heroines, but things have changed a lot in recent times. I have been to some weddings recently and now you could say that current cricket team sets the standards. I don't know what has happened, but seems like the golden era is being bred out. The swaggering Pakistanis looks of Imran Khan and Mohsin Khan are a thing of the past, now we are getting Sarfraz Ahmed and Mohammed Hafiz setting the standard.
 
Your a sad human being. These people you want to kick out have been living here their whole life. Who wouldnt want to go back to their homeland. Its violence that has caused them to live in these pathetic situations in pakistan. Your opinion on Afghans is straight racism. Your opinion on afghan is what redneck americans think of Pakistanis.

I am afraid these violent people will never reciprocate your good intentions. These Afghans will never thank Pakistan instead always hold us responsible for the mess their country is in. We must treat them the way Iran has done or force them out. It is a mystery why people like you love these trators so much, I am baffled! So calling an ungrateful and violent people is racism to you!! the Americans you are talking about hate all coloured people where as I have a reason to be so hostile to Afghans. I have no problem with pro 1971 Bangladeshis being given Pak citizenship but not these illiterate Afghans.
 
Just ask most Pakistani Pathans what they think of these Afghans despite having historical links with them.
 
Most pakistanis descend from migrants even the ones that been there prior to '47, so y'all can't oppose immigranys.
 
Just keep them away from Karachi please. Accommodate them in KPK, Islamabad or punjab or any pind.

THISSSSS!!!!!!! For the Love of GOD! Please keep them away from Karachi

P.S. I don't mind giving them citizenship but we need to have some sort of cap on inter-city migration. Karachi is overflowing with a population crisis. [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]
 
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This is a masterstroke by Imran Khan and PTI. With almost 30% Pashtun and Bengali population in Karachi (which is increasing rapidly), they will never lose elections in the city!
 
THISSSSS!!!!!!! For the Love of GOD! Please keep them away from Karachi

P.S. I don't mind giving them citizenship but we need to have some sort of cap on inter-city migration. Karachi is overflowing with a population crisis. [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

I think the reason they are in Karachi is because they are refugees. Once they get citizenship, they will be able to go after opportunities in other parts of Pakistan. Perhaps they can be given opportunities in Gwadar?
 
Just been to my village and some other villages nearby. I swear to God that everyone is so dissapointed by this announcement. I’m telling you that he will lose popular support if he takes this step. Imran khan shouldn’t do a career suicide.
 
Overseas Pakistanis need to understand ground reality.


I have been talking to people in Islamabad, not one of them is in favour.

People of Pakistan don’t like Afghans and afghans don’t like Pakistanis. Afghans blame Pakistan army for supporting Afghan Taliban
 
Yet all those same Pakistani will try and leave Pakistan by hook or crook to live in a western country that doesn't want them! Double standards galore it's not like Pakistan is a wealthy nation that they can make use of becoming citizens! Need to include them as there are probably a couple of generations that are born in Pakistan
 
Yet all those same Pakistani will try and leave Pakistan by hook or crook to live in a western country that doesn't want them! Double standards galore it's not like Pakistan is a wealthy nation that they can make use of becoming citizens! Need to include them as there are probably a couple of generations that are born in Pakistan

You mention it here but dont seem to fully grasp it yourself.

You are right, Pakistan is not a wealthy nation.

So explain to my a country that already has millions of children (its already existing citizens) out of school can possibly think about granting citizenship to millions more. Pakistan already can't take care of its own citizens how will it take responsibility for millions more?

The West are rich, and even then they dont take in refugees in large numbers.

United States for example I doubt has taken in more than 2 million refugees in the last 30 years. This is an economy worth trillions.

Also, please dont confuse immigration with seeking asylum as a refugee.

Immigration is different.

Taking refugees is honorable and a good thing, but your country must be able to afford it and handle the implications that come along with taking in refugees.
 
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Pakistan isn't taking additional refugees.....it is giving the right of citizenship to those who have been born there. The Afghan refugees have been in pak since the Russian invasion and not post 9/11. They didn't go back and now you 1.5 million who are undocumented and deserve to be given rights (which are already part of Pakistan's laws since 1951). Maybe us overseas people are bleeding hearts etc but humanity needs to prevail may once they have recognition things may change.
 
Pakistan's Imran Khan skirts issue of Afghan refugees' citizenship

Imran Khan, Pakistan’s prime minister, has appeared to drop his promise to grant citizenship to hundreds of thousands of Afghan refugees living on the margins of Pakistani society.

On Sunday Khan announced that he would start work immediately to provide passports to the children of refugees born in the country. However, after a backlash from politicians and supporters of the country’s powerful military, he said on Tuesday that no decision had been made.

About 2.7 million Afghan refugees have crossed the border into Pakistan since the Soviet invasion in 1979. Without official documentation they are shut out of schools and employment. As many as 1.5 million children born to refugees in Pakistan are denied citizenship.

After a strong push-back, Khan said he had raised refugee citizenship “just to initiate a debate”. The founder of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party, which swept to power in July, has a reputation for retracting his words.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-afghan-begali-refugees-citizenship-passports
 
I think the reason they are in Karachi is because they are refugees. Once they get citizenship, they will be able to go after opportunities in other parts of Pakistan. Perhaps they can be given opportunities in Gwadar?

Beautiful. So that they can partner with the taliban to fuel separatism in Balochistan and so that we would spit on the face of Baloch leaders who we promised the return of Afghan refugees. Bravo.
 
Pakistan's Imran Khan skirts issue of Afghan refugees' citizenship

Imran Khan, Pakistan’s prime minister, has appeared to drop his promise to grant citizenship to hundreds of thousands of Afghan refugees living on the margins of Pakistani society.

On Sunday Khan announced that he would start work immediately to provide passports to the children of refugees born in the country. However, after a backlash from politicians and supporters of the country’s powerful military, he said on Tuesday that no decision had been made.

About 2.7 million Afghan refugees have crossed the border into Pakistan since the Soviet invasion in 1979. Without official documentation they are shut out of schools and employment. As many as 1.5 million children born to refugees in Pakistan are denied citizenship.

After a strong push-back, Khan said he had raised refugee citizenship “just to initiate a debate”. The founder of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party, which swept to power in July, has a reputation for retracting his words.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-afghan-begali-refugees-citizenship-passports

So "democratic" countries have an issue when a Pakistani PM tries to go the democratic route and says that he will initiate debate on the issue in the parliament rather than implementing decisions based on his whims and desires.


Glad to know that "democracy" is only acceptable if it suits the white man.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistanis remain largely opposed to the possibility of granting citizenship to Afghan refugees, while a quarter support full legal rights. An enormous 44% support neither options. <a href="https://t.co/fNczJGYk9J">pic.twitter.com/fNczJGYk9J</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@RoshanOpinion) <a href="https://twitter.com/RoshanOpinion/status/1044084831053918208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No major difference in partisan support and opposition to granting legal status to Afghan refugees, although PTI supporters are slightly more sympathetic to the idea of a path to citizenship. <a href="https://t.co/whWDWxmYsO">pic.twitter.com/whWDWxmYsO</a></p>— Roshan Pakistan Opinion Polling (@RoshanOpinion) <a href="https://twitter.com/RoshanOpinion/status/1044119193204011008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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An Afghan refugee’s appeal to Pakistan’s prime minister


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I first left Afghanistan, and crossed over into Pakistan, in 1988. Back then, I was running; afraid for my life, leaving behind a bloody war. My wife and two young children journeyed with me for days. Everything I had ever owned, I had now left behind in the country of my birth.

Pakistan was an alien country to me. I had neither a roof over my head not a penny to my name. In order to make ends meet, and to feed my family, I worked various jobs in Peshawar. By the time I had two more children, I had collected enough money to open a small electric appliance store on Peshawar’s Dalazak road.

All four of my children were raised here, in Pakistan. Two were even born here. For them, and for me, Pakistan is now home.

Well, at least that is what we thought.

In the last few years, officers have been visiting our residence. They tell us that we must go back to Afghanistan – the country I left 30 years ago. Asking me to return to Afghanistan is like forcing me to walk on fire.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve visited my country of birth several times in the past for a wedding or a funeral. But every time I went I left like a stranger in a strange land. I have my roots in Pakistan now. My shop is here. My children have only known Pakistan. Why should they have to leave their country and live in mine?

Last month, someone told me about a speech our Prime Minister Imran Khan made. He promised to grant citizenship to the million or so Afghan refugees and Bengalis living in Pakistan for decades. I heard he said that all those born in the country will be given passports. It was exciting news. My uncertainty was almost over. A few days later, I heard that the prime minister hesitated when asked again about the right of citizenship. I heard that he would no longer be able to deliver on his promise.

Prime Minister, I do not have the means to restart a life in Afghanistan. Pakistan is my Garden of Eden. My paradise. Please don’t take it away from me.

There are so many others like me. Peshawar’s dusty Afghan Colony is overpopulated with similar stories. They are poor. They fled a war in the 80s and have worked hard since then to set up small businesses such as grocery and leather shops and kiosks.

Several times in a week, the police show up and arrest the men. It has been an endless cycle of harassment and confusion.

Pakistan was once an alien country to me. Today, it is home. But now I and my children are the aliens. Is that fair?

https://www.geo.tv/latest/212517-pr...en-please-dont-take-it-away-an-afghan-refugee
 
That guy sounds like a far better citizen than many native Pakistanis. What a shameful state of affairs, I hope Imran Khan is allowed to do the right thing and give these people some security and belief in a brighter future.
 
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