What's new

Has Pakistan finally found an answer to replacing Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam in T20I?

mominsaigol

Senior ODI Player
Joined
Apr 14, 2021
Runs
24,064
Post of the Week
2
Muhammad Rizwan has weaseled his way into the t20 side not just as a wicket keeping batsmen, but also as a captain and t20 opener.

Similarly while Babar would frequently open with Fakhar Zaman during Pakistan's golden t20 era, he wasn't really am aggressive t20 batsmen and was more of an accumulator and backup to Fakhar Zaman.

Fans had yearned for the day where Sharjeel Khan and Khalid Latif had set Cardiff on fire.

However Hasan Nawaz and Muhammad Haris clearly set Auckland on 🔥. A 105 of 45 balls is a stunning performance. It doesn't matter if the grounds were small and the bowling was B string, this is extremely impressive for a youngster and let's face it, he adapted to the conditons quick.

Also 105 of 45 is clearly beyond the scope of Ba/riz lol who have faced worse attacks such SA d string and still never produced such a knock.

It's been a long time since I've been proud of such a knock. And I'm sure pakistan will get stronger once Saim ayub gets back
 
@mominsaigol

For me it has always been about replacing the way we play with a brand which is more likely to bring us reward; and unfortunately, when those players you mentioned are unwilling to be brave enough to even attempt a change for the teams cause, then you have to give them the boot, it has been long over-due. Take Salman for example, he is playing out of his skin, he is not suited for this format but when you dare to be great and try your best for your country, you can maximise your abilities. Today’s match gives Pakistan breathing room to execute the brand of play we should have never stopped playing for half a decade at least.

Btw that game with Sharjeel & Latif at the top was in Manchester, vibrant atmosphere and die hard Pakistan fans who want to see charismatic performances, this game is definitely similar and gives hope that we haven’t lost that bygone era.

I thought this was a pretty good NZ bowling attack tbh and more importantly, they caused Pak serious issues in some testing conditions, it takes character to bounce back when we had no right to, but when you have a fearless leader who backs youth and you’re all on the same page you have a higher chance off success.
 
@mominsaigol

For me it has always been about replacing the way we play with a brand which is more likely to bring us reward; and unfortunately, when those players you mentioned are unwilling to be brave enough to even attempt a change for the teams cause, then you have to give them the boot, it has been long over-due. Take Salman for example, he is playing out of his skin, he is not suited for this format but when you dare to be great and try your best for your country, you can maximise your abilities. Today’s match gives Pakistan breathing room to execute the brand of play we should have never stopped playing for half a decade at least.

Btw that game with Sharjeel & Latif at the top was in Manchester, vibrant atmosphere and die hard Pakistan fans who want to see charismatic performances, this game is definitely similar and gives hope that we haven’t lost that bygone era.

I thought this was a pretty good NZ bowling attack tbh and more importantly, they caused Pak serious issues in some testing conditions, it takes character to bounce back when we had no right to, but when you have a fearless leader who backs youth and you’re all on the same page you have a higher chance off success.
Oh? My bad, i thought it was in Cardiff. And yes it's a decent bowling attack and the conditons are tougher then what ba/riz faced vs sa
 
I never want to see zimbo and rizwan in t20is ever again.

They both are waste of space in t20is. Even kick zimbo out of odis as well and even rizwan for that matter. They are holding Pakistan cricket back with their awful mindset.

Salman agha for now is doing decently and showing intent but in the long run he shouldn't play t20is either.

Saim ayub and fakhar will make this t20is side stronger.
 
Next step dropping Rizwan from #4 in odi and #5 in tests. It is evident that Salman is a much better and more gifted player who is being under utilized
 
I never want to see zimbo and rizwan in t20is ever again.

They both are waste of space in t20is. Even kick zimbo out of odis as well and even rizwan for that matter. They are holding Pakistan cricket back with their awful mindset.

Salman agha for now is doing decently and showing intent but in the long run he shouldn't play t20is either.

Saim ayub and fakhar will make this t20is side stronger.
Zimbo is okay. Rizwan is hogging #4 in odi and #5 in tests
 
You as well mate, you’ve always been right about Salman as well!
I could tell via body language actually. Since the day he walked into the side his body language was completly different from babar, Rizwan, Imam etc etc.

I could sense a player who had the technique and passion to succeed and willingness to adapt his game.

Plus when he got dropped for 90% of the world cup I knew i had to back him.

Any player that ba/riz have dropped saim, agha and falhar have always been better then them 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

If you want to know who's a good player and who isn't, just check out who's been dropped by ba/riz.
 
Oh? My bad, i thought it was in Cardiff. And yes it's a decent bowling attack and the conditons are tougher then what ba/riz faced vs sa

When you mentioned those names I just knew it was Manny because that’s one of my all time favourite Pakistan T20I games - even Latif was doing the job with much less talent then some of the guys who have played for us recently, it’s one of our Pakistani Cricket strongholds and not far from Wimslow road :afridi Similar to my local ground Edgbaston & Ladypool road, Imad knows you need to be good to play before that crowd, that’s Pakistan’s Super-Bowl / Wrestlemania
 
I could tell via body language actually. Since the day he walked into the side his body language was completly different from babar, Rizwan, Imam etc etc.

I could sense a player who had the technique and passion to succeed and willingness to adapt his game.

Plus when he got dropped for 90% of the world cup I knew i had to back him.

Any player that ba/riz have dropped saim, agha and falhar have always been better then them 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

If you want to know who's a good player and who isn't, just check out who's been dropped by ba/riz.
@Devadwal

You will still not admit that agha > Rizwan and Smith > kohli in test cricket. It's not even pride, it's just a case of poor cricketing takes.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Zimbo is okay. Rizwan is hogging #4 in odi and #5 in tests
Zimbo is awful in every format of the game.He has lost Pakistan so many games in odis t20is and tests. He has never won Pakistan any match in odis and that's his best format.

Rizwan was never a T20 player and he hasn't done anything in icc odi tournaments in test he has been decent. He should only play test cricket.
 
I could tell via body language actually. Since the day he walked into the side his body language was completly different from babar, Rizwan, Imam etc etc.

I could sense a player who had the technique and passion to succeed and willingness to adapt his game.

Plus when he got dropped for 90% of the world cup I knew i had to back him.

Any player that ba/riz have dropped saim, agha and falhar have always been better then them 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

If you want to know who's a good player and who isn't, just check out who's been dropped by ba/riz.

And lets be real, they set Salman up to fail and many fans were on his back, I think it was just you, me @Rana and a few others who were like maybe he’s not suited to this but he’s the best hope we have and we need to give him a shot, and as you saw his toughness in crunch situations, he’s bringing that to this format and iA he can keep this energy
 
And lets be real, they set Salman up to fail and many fans were on his back, I think it was just you, me @Rana and a few others who were like maybe he’s not suited to this but he’s the best hope we have and we need to give him a shot, and as you saw his toughness in crunch situations, he’s bringing that to this format and iA he can keep this energy
My case was different. I backed him in all formats including t20 initially. It's just in t20 i wasn't too sure due to a poor record but I did want him over shadab Khan. I distinctly remember arguing him > Sheddy in t20 2024.

This guy is clearly the best allrpunder in pakistan lol, even took 4 wickets vs Australia in their den and won an odi game.

Idk why he doesn't trust himself to bowl more though.

He's a great batter allround
 
My case was different. I backed him in all formats including t20 initially. It's just in t20 i wasn't too sure due to a poor record but I did want him over shadab Khan. I distinctly remember arguing him > Sheddy in t20 2024.

This guy is clearly the best allrpunder in pakistan lol, even took 4 wickets vs Australia in their den and won an odi game.

Idk why he doesn't trust himself to bowl more though.

He's a great batter allround
Bro now t20 team looks like the real way of playing modern cricket hassan nawaz looks great against spin will be fun to watch vs spinners in asian conditions pak just needs to back these guys and keep playing them in t20.
 
My case was different. I backed him in all formats including t20 initially. It's just in t20 i wasn't too sure due to a poor record but I did want him over shadab Khan. I distinctly remember arguing him > Sheddy in t20 2024.

This guy is clearly the best allrpunder in pakistan lol, even took 4 wickets vs Australia in their den and won an odi game.

Idk why he doesn't trust himself to bowl more though.

He's a great batter allround

This is what I remember and was thinking your instincts were spot on with him from the start!

The more comfortable he gets I think he hopefully will, you do see that with new captains sometimes, they are so focussed on delegating and everything else can overlook their own contribution a little.
 
Need to give players from a country like Pakistan with a crap first class structure time and space to grow. If they play with their chests out and willing to play for the team then that's all that matters. Results may or may not come but they give if their all.

In T20 cricket a player needs to come good maybe one every 4 or one every 5 matches. That's it. There are few players who will be consistent and threatening all the time ( Gayle, ABDV level players), but as long as you have a core of players with capability and one or two can come good in a game that's all that matters.

Nawaz may now fail for 5 matches and people will call it a fluke, but we need to give him the space to be brave and continue playing this way.

Agha as an example has shown great heart across all formats. It goes a long way even when you are out of your depth. He will hopefully be given time to develop in T20

As I said in the other thread we all rage about the PCB but seeing the way fans behaved after one or two T20 bilateral losses shows that the PCB isn't operating in a vacuum. As a collective fan base we start slitting our wrists too early.
 
@Devadwal

You will still not admit that agha > Rizwan and Smith > kohli in test cricket. It's not even pride, it's just a case of poor cricketing takes.
(nothing to do with quoted post)

What's your honest take on Pakistan's T20I bowling attack... Are you satisfied with the current lot? Do you feel there are players outside who need to be given a chance to see if they can replace the ones currently in the team?
 
The height of Babar and Rizwan selfishness was when they made Fakhar bat down the order and used the reason that he can come in and hit at any number. Not only these 2 should be held responsible but also the coach, mgmt. of that time period should be held responsible for it and should never be hired again.
 
The height of Babar and Rizwan selfishness was when they made Fakhar bat down the order and used the reason that he can come in and hit at any number. Not only these 2 should be held responsible but also the coach, mgmt. of that time period should be held responsible for it and should never be hired again.
Well that includes Kirsten too if that's the case. I respect him a lot as a coach but he should explain why Babar and Rizwan opened against USA and Fakhar batted after them.
 
(nothing to do with quoted post)

What's your honest take on Pakistan's T20I bowling attack... Are you satisfied with the current lot? Do you feel there are players outside who need to be given a chance to see if they can replace the ones currently in the team?
Not directed at me but let me give my 2c.

Pak bowling has generally been bowling well, not amazing, but they are serviceable.

They have been let down by a batting side that is always 30-40 runs short.

We need to give them a fresh start. I have my doubts on SSA as he seems finished ( hopefully he comes good), but let's see how the others, particularly Naseem, can perform when they are surrounded by a different batting group.

And no joke I'd even throw Iftikhar, Asif Ali, Haider Ali and all those players discarded in the past back into a few games here and there. Let's see how they perform now that they can bat with a platform.
 
We all talk about PCB backing these players all the time. But what about these players themselves taking an ownership of their career and improve. Pakistan would probably be the only country where player comes in with a lot of talent but over the period they regress. Now Hassan Nawaz showed his potential next thing he will be playing all over the world in crappy T20 tournaments to make money. Instead of working on his fitness, improve his game by playing longer format as well. He won't get these smaller grounds everywhere. Him and Harris has long way to go if they want to be a some what consistent decent player.
 
Well that includes Kirsten too if that's the case. I respect him a lot as a coach but he should explain why Babar and Rizwan opened against USA and Fakhar batted after them.
Nah. He inherited that team on the eve of the tournament. He couldn't do much to disrupt it or he would have been knived in the back. He probably thought to play out the tournament and build from there. It was the sensible thing to do. Need to observe first before diagnosing.
 
Well that includes Kirsten too if that's the case. I respect him a lot as a coach but he should explain why Babar and Rizwan opened against USA and Fakhar batted after them.
I agree if he was under the pressure or he had no choice he should have spoken. But there are other factors as well who knows he may have the intent to do so but he got hired just before T20 world cup and sometimes you can't change things right away.
 
We all talk about PCB backing these players all the time. But what about these players themselves taking an ownership of their career and improve. Pakistan would probably be the only country where player comes in with a lot of talent but over the period they regress. Now Hassan Nawaz showed his potential next thing he will be playing all over the world in crappy T20 tournaments to make money. Instead of working on his fitness, improve his game by playing longer format as well. He won't get these smaller grounds everywhere. Him and Harris has long way to go if they want to be a some what consistent decent player.
You are right, players have a responsibility but Why can't the PCB look after the players more?

Get dedicated nutritionists and monitor players.
Get them specialist physios - individual plans for each player.
Pay them more.

Be honest if you were a young lad like Hassan living in Pakistan, surrounded by chaos of society and the chaos of the PCB, surrounded by 1000s of rishtedar with their hands out, you would play as many tournaments as possible too.
 
You are right, players have a responsibility but Why can't the PCB look after the players more?

Get dedicated nutritionists and monitor players.
Get them specialist physios - individual plans for each player.
Pay them more.

Be honest if you were a young lad like Hassan living in Pakistan, surrounded by chaos of society and the chaos of the PCB, surrounded by 1000s of rishtedar with their hands out, you would play as many tournaments as possible too.
Well that's the decision he has to make. All over the world this is common practice when you become BIG people will come from all sides and want to be your family or friend. Even if you become a lottery winner you are in same situation. So that should not be an excuse. End of the day player is responsible for his improvement. You think Virat became Virat because of Indian Cricket board. It's all over the media how Virat all of a sudden changed himself and he started that with just his diet and self believe. So many Indian cricketers said in their interviews that Virat has changes the culture in Indian dressing room how to take care of your body, fitness etc.
 
Not directed at me but let me give my 2c.

Pak bowling has generally been bowling well, not amazing, but they are serviceable.

They have been let down by a batting side that is always 30-40 runs short.

We need to give them a fresh start. I have my doubts on SSA as he seems finished ( hopefully he comes good), but let's see how the others, particularly Naseem, can perform when they are surrounded by a different batting group.

And no joke I'd even throw Iftikhar, Asif Ali, Haider Ali and all those players discarded in the past back into a few games here and there. Let's see how they perform now that they can bat with a platform.
Thats an interesting idea... Try out the ones who failed again... or try out new ones who are performing in domestic cricket..
 
For me it has always been about replacing the way we play with a brand which is more likely to bring us reward; and unfortunately, when those players you mentioned are unwilling to be brave enough to even attempt a change for the teams cause, then you have to give them the boot, it has been long over-due.
Very true however what I would say is that this is the first time the management has given the backing to the players to go out and play this way. Never have they created a real incentive to play fearlessly and try to get better at attacking modern day cricket. So whilst the previous players needed the boot, they should have the backing to improve this side of their game and if they perform consistently in the domestic scene by playing this way, a window to one day make their case again on the international stage. It could improve Babar and Rizwan and encourage so many others in the T20 space.
 
The height of Babar and Rizwan selfishness was when they made Fakhar bat down the order and used the reason that he can come in and hit at any number. Not only these 2 should be held responsible but also the coach, mgmt. of that time period should be held responsible for it and should never be hired again.
Yup - t20 is not rocket science. Stick some clean strikers up top, give them license. If they don’t come off then you can have some fallback like babar to do the “accumulating”, “anchoring”, “rebuilding” (or whatever they call that pusillanimous approach nowadays) at no4.

The only reason they wanted to open was just to try and pad their stats
 
(nothing to do with quoted post)

What's your honest take on Pakistan's T20I bowling attack... Are you satisfied with the current lot? Do you feel there are players outside who need to be given a chance to see if they can replace the ones currently in the team?
Im not satisfied per say, but one thing is for sure. Irrespective of the quality of these players whether their medicore or nor, their attacking. They try their best to play an attacking brand of cricketing something that

Imam, Rizwan, Babar, chacha and many others were not willing to do.

They can definitely replace Them in t20. Infact ba/riz have no place in t20 cricket.

However in odi and test it's a different matter. Completly different ball game.
 
Im not satisfied per say, but one thing is for sure. Irrespective of the quality of these players whether their medicore or nor, their attacking. They try their best to play an attacking brand of cricketing something that

Imam, Rizwan, Babar, chacha and many others were not willing to do.

They can definitely replace Them in t20. Infact ba/riz have no place in t20 cricket.

However in odi and test it's a different matter. Completly different ball game.
Bro chachu is a legend.
Don't put in the same sentence as these selfish players.
Chachu 50 vs ind and 65 vs sa>>>>>>>>>>>>>these statpadders' careers.
 
Do u disagree??
Who on earth is going to put chacha into legend status? No one from Pakistan since YK in test cricket has come close to that.

Fakhar zaman could have if he was slightly more consistent. Although if someone puts him in legend status in terms of Pakistan cricket then Its fair.

But ATG status? Hell no. Legend means ATG lol
 
Now this is over the top response. Guys, it was a good win but against a NZ B team in a tiny tiny ground.
Chasing under the lights. Lets not go overboard here.
Aggressive intent is a nice change but is this truly the dawn of white ball cricket. Its been just one game.
 
Now this is over the top response. Guys, it was a good win but against a NZ B team in a tiny tiny ground.
Chasing under the lights. Lets not go overboard here.
Aggressive intent is a nice change but is this truly the dawn of white ball cricket. It’s been just one game.
And this is our C team when it comes to batting, we selected the players who are not even domestic regulars so it’s indeed a great achievement.
 
Now this is over the top response. Guys, it was a good win but against a NZ B team in a tiny tiny ground.
Chasing under the lights. Lets not go overboard here.
Aggressive intent is a nice change but is this truly the dawn of white ball cricket. Its been just one game.
This game will forever change the way T20 cricket is played in the country. India did that post 2022 WC we're a bit late but better late than never
 
And this is our C team when it comes to batting, we selected the players who are not even domestic regulars so it’s indeed a great achievement.
🤷‍♂️ I am simply speechless at the contradictions in so many ways.
So picked up random players with no track record and won 1 game after 2 solid losses against another B team.
Are we supposed to herald it is an achievement and praise the strategy as that is something that can be replicated?
We are back to Qudrat ke Nizam formula for Pakistan.
Next match when these guys lose, the posts will be all about how they are not regular domestic players. Domest record should be rewarded etc.
 
And the new crop of domestic players are destroying domestic veterans and TTF international players in the recent T20 domestic tournament, it shows that there is talent but no merit in selection of domestic teams and 80% of the domestic players are there because of parchi otherwise they wouldn’t be dominated by unknown debutants in domestic cricket.
 
🤷‍♂️ I am simply speechless at the contradictions in so many ways.
So picked up random players with no track record and won 1 game after 2 solid losses against another B team.
Are we supposed to herald it is an achievement and praise the strategy as that is something that can be replicated?
We are back to Qudrat ke Nizam formula for Pakistan.
Next match when these guys lose, the posts will be all about how they are not regular domestic players. Domest record should be rewarded etc.
No body is saying that we will become world beater with these players but It’s all about fairness in selection , think about if the right players are keep getting selected in domestic cricket then we will again become a good cricketing nation.
 
Now this is over the top response. Guys, it was a good win but against a NZ B team in a tiny tiny ground.
Chasing under the lights. Lets not go overboard here.
Aggressive intent is a nice change but is this truly the dawn of white ball cricket. Its been just one game.
When have I not been over the top? You should know me by now
 
No body is saying that we will become world beater with these players but It’s all about fairness in selection , think about if the right players are keep getting selected in domestic cricket then we will again become a good cricketing nation.
Does anyone understand the selection basis? Is it actually on merit? In the first two games, half the thread were mocking the selection and batting position of these guys.
 
I could tell via body language actually. Since the day he walked into the side his body language was completly different from babar, Rizwan, Imam etc etc.

I could sense a player who had the technique and passion to succeed and willingness to adapt his game.

Plus when he got dropped for 90% of the world cup I knew i had to back him.

Any player that ba/riz have dropped saim, agha and falhar have always been better then them 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

If you want to know who's a good player and who isn't, just check out who's been dropped by ba/riz.
i always wanted Salman in our middle order. a calm head with decent technique , if you are willing to push yourself beyond your comfort zone , Technically sound players can succeed in t20 cricket
 
i always wanted Salman in our middle order. a calm head with decent technique , if you are willing to push yourself beyond your comfort zone , Technically sound players can succeed in t20 cricket
The best t20 players were all techinclaly sound. Kohli, KP, Gayle, Warner.
 
Does anyone understand the selection basis? Is it actually on merit? In the first two games, half the thread were mocking the selection and batting position of these guys.
Not on merit but whoever picked them had eye for talent , in a similar way the new domestic guys are picked on talent level which is good to see , finally PCB waking up and picking the talent instead of parchi at every level.
 
The best t20 players were all techinclaly sound. Kohli, KP, Gayle, Warner.
yeah most def.. Salman was always in my 2024 t20 wc eleven too. Alas we did nt take him. had lot of doubters aftet Zim and SA series but i was nt willing to jump the Gun unless he played 15-20 matches
 
I doubt that. Please bookmark the post.
There is predictable pattern of Pakistan cricket.
No, a new pattern has been established.

Haris and Hassan after failing in first two games still went for their shots straightaway. For so many years I've seen players play for their place in such situations.

There's a shift in selection strategy now. T20 modern approach is given precedence.
Only players who play the game right way will be backed
 
i always wanted Salman in our middle order. a calm head with decent technique , if you are willing to push yourself beyond your comfort zone , Technically sound players can succeed in t20 cricket
Absolutely. Babar also tried to improve in that regard. His SR in last 2 years has been better but under pressure he still tends to go on the defensive
 
Surely we need a bigger sample size than one game right?

But in general I agree that Nawaz, Haris and Salman need more games under their belt so we can better understand where they stand
 
Big props to all the teams in the national T20 cup

All of them were trying this time!
 
We had replacement already. (If fit) . Fakhar and Saim should open in t20 and odi both once fit.
Hassan Nawaz can be backup and eventually replacement for Fakhar. Or if Fakhar cant recover then he or Haris can take his stop at least in t20.

Haris does need to work on keeping every game missing some byes or something.
 
:ROFLMAO:
 

Attachments

  • B2F1DCF7-6768-4BD1-82F0-B19D2AA821EC.jpeg
    B2F1DCF7-6768-4BD1-82F0-B19D2AA821EC.jpeg
    68.4 KB · Views: 3
Hope he keeps up this batting mindset
Muhammad Haris played a million games for Shaheens and Pak A, so any success he has should not be a surprise
 
Knee jerk reactions as usual. Just like when Multan Ghulam hit that century in tests, he became the savior.

This was a good start after 2 ducks. Nawaz has shown potential and Haris also played well. Babar still has a role to play especially on tougher wickets. The whole problem was the dependency on Babar alone and not having any supporting attacking players. Seems like these guys have potential to be those guys but we need to see consistent performances. I'm hoping they can do that. RizBar would win 7-8 matches out of 10 when they were in form. If these guys just win 2 that's not great. We need to see a bigger sample size and then we can say they are part of the solution but this was a great and enjoyable start.

Honestly Fakhar and Saim will also return and maybe some of these guys are left out.

My top 6 batting line up would be:

Saim
Nawaz
Babar
Haris
Fakhar
Salman
 
Rizwan was never a ODI or t20 player . His best was being a WK batter in test . In t20 he was accommodated and given an opening slot so he can make a spot in team . Babar had great future and was starting to flourish under Mickey and Sarfraz . But lord Misbah came and destroyed that . Babar was never a captain material he was forced to captain and he thought it will make him stronger but actually it backfired and his career too . Babar would have been legend at number 3 in LOI . But these things made him go off track and now it’s hard to come back after falling from grace . Terrible decision to make him captain and not surprising it was from tuk tuk boss .

Literally any decent opener in Pakistan can replace both of them . It’s not hard it’s just they got their favourite spots and they made some easy runs to make people believe they are best .
 
Zimbo is awful in every format of the game.He has lost Pakistan so many games in odis t20is and tests. He has never won Pakistan any match in odis and that's his best format.

Rizwan was never a T20 player and he hasn't done anything in icc odi tournaments in test he has been decent. He should only play test cricket.
Correct he's not won us many games. He's not awful. Just an above average player so treat him as one. He's still in your best 11 but stop giving him vip treatment. That's my take on him.
 
Back
Top