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bill_123 said:
for a muslim his religion is above all

I follow that personally

if it does not sit well with you well ....I don't care:)....

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I don't think any religion teaches you to support Muslims even in cricket. When your own country has Muslim bowlers like Shami but you support a different country for a beard, then tell me who is wrong?

IMO, the Muslim thing is just an excuse you tell yourself to feel better about supporting a different country and not feel guilty.

Loyalty is proven in many ways of your behavior in life. Your own family, your neighbors, the country where you grow up and took all resources from, etc. Those who are not grateful and repay whatever they took cannot be loyal in any walk of life. Your are more loyal to some person whom you have never met over those whom you know all your life.

Such people can never be trusted in any walk of life. tomorrow they will backstab someone who has helped them all their life for someone they don't even know. And I don't think such people can be loyal to their religion either, they will soon betray these people for a sect they are loyal to or a sub caste or something else.

People who take resources or help from some people/country, etc and are not loyal cannot be trusted in other walks of life too. And I don't think such people are even respected by their own sect/religion, etc. And this is the opinion of most of the world

p.s. I am just replying to your point of supporting someone for a religion. In cricket you can support whom you like, that is not a big thing
 
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eradicator said:
Shown what exactly ? 1 Fifty after 25 matches ? Is that what would you call destructive ?

Very low standards.
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I hope you know the fact that Quinton de Kock who is known as an aggressive batsman is still waiting for his first fifty after 16 T20I matches and his strike rate in T20I is only 114
 
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Strike Rate said:
I hope you know the fact that Quinton de Kock who is known as an aggressive batsman is still waiting for his first fifty after 16 T20I matches and his strike rate in T20I is only 114 just like Dhoni.
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Forget QDK. Destructive Dhoni is still waiting for a t20i 50.
 
Hashim though a very good player, he never scares you. His runs seem to be soft runs as he is a likable personality.

I wouldnt worry too much about him in T20s
 
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But Dhoni is not an opener. In T20s openers and couple of other players have better chances of making 50 or even 100.
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But there are other opener and top order batsmen examples too why only Amla is always used? Kock after 16 matches no fifty and much lower strike rate than amla, Gilchrist after 13 t20i matches no fifty. Michael Clarke 1 fifty after 34 matches and strike rate 103 etc
 
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Strike Rate said:
But there are other opener and top order batsmen examples too why only Amla is always used? Kock after 16 matches no fifty and much lower strike rate than amla, Gilchrist after 13 t20i matches no fifty. Michael Clarke 1 fifty after 34 matches and strike rate 103 etc
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Because the Indian PPs get irked when a poster mentions his like for the player and respects him for his religious background
 
bill_123 said:
agreed

they love to hate him for his beard and his faith

so yes if he fails most of these guys will be jumping up and down like crazy

not that it matters still hope he shuts them up

insha allah he will come good....lets hope
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Right, and we are not allowed to want him to fail because he is playing against us in a semi final or because he always scores a hundred or double hundred against India. It's all about his beard right?

Get over yourself
 
Indiafan said:
I don't think any religion teaches you to support Muslims even in cricket. When your own country has Muslim bowlers like Shami but you support a different country for a beard, then tell me who is wrong?

IMO, the Muslim thing is just an excuse you tell yourself to feel better about supporting a different country and not feel guilty.

Loyalty is proven in many ways of your behavior in life. Your own family, your neighbors, the country where you grow up and took all resources from, etc. Those who are not grateful and repay whatever they took cannot be loyal in any walk of life. Your are more loyal to some person whom you have never met over those whom you know all your life.

Such people can never be trusted in any walk of life. tomorrow they will backstab someone who has helped them all their life for someone they don't even know. And I don't think such people can be loyal to their religion either, they will soon betray these people for a sect they are loyal to or a sub caste or something else.

People who take resources or help from some people/country, etc and are not loyal cannot be trusted in other walks of life too. And I don't think such people are even respected by their own sect/religion, etc. And this is the opinion of most of the world

p.s. I am just replying to your point of supporting someone for a religion. In cricket you can support whom you like, that is not a big thing
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your opinion

for a muslim religion is above any country or anything else

now that does not mean you do not respect your country. you respect it and do not do anything haram as simple as that. your duty is as good as done

now coming to sport I can support any team I want. not like these guys are going to war and you are picking sides. its a freaking sport. and if I feel a fellow muslim who has become a role model for many muslims is the one I want to support then who is stopping me or why should anyone criticize me for it. Iam not a fan of the indian cricket team and if that means I am betraying my country lol you are just taking the easy route there with patriotism matrubhoomi and all that and you can continue with it


I don't find anything wrong in supporting a fellow muslim that especially a guy who is a practicing muslim and who belongs to the same jamat/group(tableegh) that I belong to)

that does not mean I have anything against any hindu brother or sister. if you want to support any hindu brother/sister above a muslim well I don't find anything wrong in it as long as it is not for a wrong cause. and here were are just discussing sport anyway so being a bit biased to a practicing muslim in a sport is nothing wrong imo


and you raised some really immature points there of backstabbing and all

I know hindus belive strongly about matrubhoomi and all because its a big part of their religion however according to islam countries are more or less borders created by human beings. you do respect the land you belong to but NO it will never be anything close to your religion

YOUR RELIGION AND YOUR GOD are INFINITELY ABOVE ANY BORDER MAN CREATED

now I respect what your religion preaches and expect the same from you
 
Great players are above nationality/religion/caste/politics and we shouldn't waste time by bringing such issues within Cricket (a sport we all love). Many Indians love Amla and few who dislike him (BJP and Saffron trolls), well the less you talk about such negative people, the better. Sports has the ability to bridge gap between people and we should concentrate on that. Lastly, with 50+ average in ODI and test, Amla has nothing to prove. Even his last inning showed, how vital he is to the SA set-up. All the best.
 
I think it's best we leave religion and politics aside, while discussing Cricket. South Africa team has people from different faiths and they have displayed, how much you can achieve if everyone works together. We need to concentrate on that. Cheers.
 
He came good in the last match, didn't he? And that was a knockout match.
 
Bill. Let it go bro. Why bother about negative comments from judgmental people. Your self-respect as a person, should come from within you and not what these people thinks about you. Don't let others have such power over you. Hi from Christchurch/New Zealand :)
 
Another desperate attempt to call the last match a Knock out when SA could have gone to Semis even with losing.

You guys are just afraid and deep down are well aware that Hashim is a choker when it comes to knock out matches, hence these desperate attempts to turn a league match into a knock out match.
 
eradicator said:
Another desperate attempt to call the last match a Knock out when SA could have gone to Semis even with losing.

You guys are just afraid and deep down are well aware that Hashim is a choker when it comes to knock out matches, hence these desperate attempts to turn a league match into a knock out match.
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Rubbish. Even given today's earlier result with England losing to the Dutch, an SA loss against England would have meant that both SL and NZ go through, irrespective of today's results, given their NRR. It was a knockout, plain and simple.
 
bill_123 said:
Iam an indian
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bill_123 said:
I would love to see amla score big and eliminate india from semis
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King Cobra said:
So you are an Indian but you want Amla to score big against India ( Your own country ) and eliminate them from the tournament only because Amla is a Muslim, and for you Amla a Muslim doing well is more important than your home team doing well.

Nice.
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bill_123 said:
for a muslim his religion is above all

I follow that personally

if it does not sit well with you well ....I don't care:)....

:)
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Wow, Still we get so many intelligent posters arguing time to time that religion plays no part in hyping up Amla in PP. It's all about his cricketing skills ;)
 
On Topic: Amla hasn't played too many knockout games. I don't think it's a great idea to start putting some tag when sample size is a small one. If he plays 10-12 games and fails in majority of them then such tags are justified.

It's time for AB, Steyn, Amla etc to step up and win 2 games. It's just about playing better cricket for the next 80 overs. Attack Indian fast bowlers and then spinner won't be that effective.
 
bill_123 said:
your opinion

for a muslim religion is above any country or anything else
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Very narrow minded approach. Thank gods that not every religion things same way otherwise there will be riots of epic proportions.

Countries will be divided on the basis of religion if everyone thinks that way, though it wont hurt arabs but muslims living in non muslims countries will suffer.

I understand its just your opinion but i am surprised that people can think that way too.
 
ZainKhan90 said:
Bill. Let it go bro. Why bother about negative comments from judgmental people. Your self-respect as a person, should come from within you and not what these people thinks about you. Don't let others have such power over you. Hi from Christchurch/New Zealand :)
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I agree bro but these guys just because they follow a different view and faith think its wrong for us to follow our faith

racism emerges from these things, for these people what may sound narrow minded is just our love for our god

for a true muslim god and religion is above everything, these countries and all mean nothing in front of god and that is how it is supposed to be and I respect their views and opinions but they find it hard to do the same

well so be it. lets just move on from this discussion
 
Amla will deliver and kick the Indians out of the tournament today. India stand no chance really; SA have too much quality.
 
BlackThunder said:
It gave SA a solid start. Too much hate for Amla by some in here.
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Not really, people expect him to do much more than what he has done under pressure. If 20 runs by him is judged as a good knock (not the first time this is happening), it means the expectations have fallen by the wayside.
 
IndianWillow said:
Amla will not. He is usually a bottler under pressure.
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End of the day India have still been kicked out of the tournament - who cares whether it is du Plessis or Amla who did the damage. Hope the Indians enjoy their early flight home!
 
BlackThunder said:
It gave SA a solid start. Too much hate for Amla by some in here.
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+1

44 in 5 overs, 22 in 16 balls he faced not that bad (not great too). IIRC last match was also a knockout for SA and Amla was the one who gave them a flying start with his 56 in 37 balls when De Kock was doing tuk tuk.

But i am highly impressed by the captain's knock played by Plessis. Duminy played too many dot balls in start although scored 45
 
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Once a Choker, always a Choker.

Cant score anything significant under a hint of pressure. Those useless tons of runs are only meant for meaningless series.
 
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IndianWillow said:
Not really, people expect him to do much more than what he has done under pressure. If 20 runs by him is judged as a good knock (not the first time this is happening), it means the expectations have fallen by the wayside.
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T20 is not an arena to judge a player lol. 20 runs Is plenty in this format regardless Amla has plenty of defenders and probably the same number of haters so you guys can take the argument from here. I am out to watch the game.
 
cars112 said:
Its not my confidence, it is confidence in the greatest role model in cricket. Amla is not only the best batsman in the world but an absolute icon for his devotion to his religion.
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cars112 said:
End of the day India have still been kicked out of the tournament - who cares whether it is du Plessis or Amla who did the damage. Hope the Indians enjoy their early flight home!
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You were saying? :))
 
cars112 said:
End of the day India have still been kicked out of the tournament - who cares whether it is du Plessis or Amla who did the damage. Hope the Indians enjoy their early flight home!
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Thank you cars, what would we do without you?
 
He is an opener , he should at the very least score 40+ runs in an important match and lay the platform for his team.
 
To be honest, that was ball was brilliant, who expects a doosra to spin that much
 
And Amla fans were already rejoicing and jumping up and down over his brilliant match winning knock of 20 runs. whatta playa.
 
cars112 said:
Its not my confidence, it is confidence in the greatest role model in cricket. Amla is not only the best batsman in the world but an absolute icon for his devotion to his religion.
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Let's keep his religious affiliation out when discussing him. It's not relevant in a cricket forum. It will simply add more fuel to the fire as we have seen in many threads discussing Amla.
 
eradicator said:
He is an opener , he should at the very least score 40 runs in an important match and lay the platform for his team.
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how many people (leave alone openers) score that runs continually barring kohli...
as someone mentioned too much hate dear..
 
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Amla is a class player, but it is becoming quite clear now that he bottles it when under pressure.
 
cars112 said:
Its not my confidence, it is confidence in the greatest role model in cricket. Amla is not only the best batsman in the world but an absolute icon for his devotion to his religion.
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More fodder to the argument that you types swoon over Amla and that new Pommie guy - Moeen Ali - over their beards and not particularly because of their cricketing skill.
 
Buffet said:
Let's keep his religious affiliation out when discussing him. It's not relevant in a cricket forum. It will simply add more fuel to the fire as we have seen in many threads discussing Amla.
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Marshland said:
More fodder to the argument that you types swoon over Amla and that new Pommie guy - Moeen Ali - over their beards and not particularly because of their cricketing skill.
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Sorry but I absolutely disagree with this point. Religion is fundamental to me and Amla is a supreme example and advertisement in the modern world. Amla may have gotten out to a fluke delivery today but that is pretty immaterial considering what an exceptional role model he is to Muslims all over the world.
 
Smbhayi said:
how many people (leave alone openers) score that runs continually barring kohli...
as someone mentioned too much hate dear..
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If Amla cant do that in matches that count then it means that he is a bottler in important matches and scores massively in no pressure meaningless tournaments.
 
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Mamoon said:
Singing ship sinks in the big one as expected.
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He got an absolute ripper by Ashwin not exactly choking have to give credit to Ashwin for that ball of the tournament

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cars112 said:
Sorry but I absolutely disagree with this point. Religion is fundamental to me and Amla is a supreme example and advertisement in the modern world. Amla may have gotten out to a fluke delivery today but that is pretty immaterial considering what an exceptional role model he is to Muslims all over the world.
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You're mixing apples and oranges though. A cricketer's faith has nothing to do with the runs he scores/wickets he takes.
 
eradicator said:
If Amla cant do that in matches that count then it means that he is a bottler in important matches and scores massively in no pressure meaningless tournaments.
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if other than ICC tournaments are meaningless then why India plays bilateral series.. just play ICC events and IPL... na...? and he's not played too many KO matches to judge him..
 
cars112 said:
Sorry but I absolutely disagree with this point. Religion is fundamental to me and Amla is a supreme example and advertisement in the modern world. Amla may have gotten out to a fluke delivery today but that is pretty immaterial considering what an exceptional role model he is to Muslims all over the world.
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You are comparing two different things. He might be a great role model but then you need to compare him as a role model with other players

When you try to convince yourself that him being a role model also makes him a better batsmen, then you are deluding yourself

I am not saying Amla is not one of the top batsman today. But comparing his skills with another batsman's skills and comparing him being a role model for you are two different issues
 
cars112 said:
Sorry but I absolutely disagree with this point. Religion is fundamental to me and Amla is a supreme example and advertisement in the modern world. Amla may have gotten out to a fluke delivery today but that is pretty immaterial considering what an exceptional role model he is to Muslims all over the world.
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I am not disputing that. I was pointing out a different thing here.

If we keep it to only cricket related in a cricket forum then threads won't be about his religious affiliations. Often , many threads go in a totally different direction due to religion factor despite Amla being one of the top players. Why go in that direction when talking about cricket? It adds more fuel to fire and debates get ugly at times. I am not asking you to not have him as a role model.

He is a great person but talking about religion in a cricket related thread takes the focus away from his cricketing skills and he is a very good player for us to not talk about his cricketing skills.
 
cars112 said:
Sorry but I absolutely disagree with this point. Religion is fundamental to me and Amla is a supreme example and advertisement in the modern world. Amla may have gotten out to a fluke delivery today but that is pretty immaterial considering what an exceptional role model he is to Muslims all over the world.
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he is a role model.. agree, but why bringing his religious views here..? do you know he play test during ramzan month and he didn't fasting... role model..? is his beard is your role model...?
 
Indiafan said:
You are comparing two different things. He might be a great role model but then you need to compare him as a role model with other players

When you try to convince yourself that him being a role model also makes him a better batsmen, then you are deluding yourself

I am not saying Amla is not one of the top batsman today. But comparing his skills with another batsman's skills and comparing him being a role model for you are two different issues
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No offense mate but not really interested in debating this.

Happy to argue with you over whether Tendy is a choker or the Indian attack is good or not etc. but would prefer not to explain why I think Hashim's devoutness is so integral to his overall being as a cricketer and person.

Don't feel obliged to discuss that with you I am afraid.
 
cars112 said:
End of the day India have still been kicked out of the tournament - who cares whether it is du Plessis or Amla who did the damage. Hope the Indians enjoy their early flight home!
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:)))
What a loser comment. First amla will turn into a superman..
Reasoning you ask? Oh by the power of 'Religion' :D

When he fails.. Oh how does it matters. The job will be done by somebody or the other.
(Now the religion takes a hike)


But i am sure, such people will never learn. They ll repeat the useless comments 10 more times, and as soon as they sniff that their 'prediction' came through.. they ll go: Told you so :afridi
 
Amla did choke in his previous knockout games today he got an absolute beauty by Ashwin any batsman in the world wouldve got out to that give credit to Ashwin it was the ball of the tournament. Amla didnt exactly choke today

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Lol how does Amla's religion came into picture?

Acc to cars logic Shehzad is better batsman than Koihli just because he is muslim lol.
 
Adil_94 said:
Amla did choke in his previous knockout games today he got an absolute beauty by Ashwin any batsman in the world wouldve got out to that give credit to Ashwin it was the ball of the tournament. Amla didnt exactly choke today

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He was targeting the short boundary and was trying to play on the onside without judging the ball first and hence played around it.

In a bilateral, Amla would have carved it towards the offside and the delivery wouldn't have looked special.
 
cars112 said:
No offense mate but not really interested in debating this.

Happy to argue with you over whether Tendy is a choker or the Indian attack is good or not etc. but would prefer not to explain why I think Hashim's devoutness is so integral to his overall being as a cricketer and person.

Don't feel obliged to discuss that with you I am afraid.
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Most probably because you do not have a point to debate here. You were not comparing overall cricketer and a person here. you were just saying he would score big and knock us out. The one has nought to do with the other

And I like how you take one of the humblest, down to earth and gentle player in the world as your role model and then talk about kicking teams out and sound arrogant. I thought being a role model means you learn from his conduct
 
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Mamoon said:
He was targeting the short boundary and was trying to play on the onside without judging the ball first and hence played around it.

In a bilateral, Amla would have carved it towards the offside and the delivery wouldn't have looked special.
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Youre being extremely harsh all the commies and pundits said it was a ripper of a delivery though i agree Amla should have played with a straighter bat it was a peach of a ball

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Adil_94 said:
Youre being extremely harsh all the commies and pundits said it was a ripper of a delivery though i agree Amla should have played with a straighter bat it was a peach of a ball

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Ashwin has bowled such deliveries many times.
 
bill_123 said:
I agree bro but these guys just because they follow a different view and faith think its wrong for us to follow our faith

racism emerges from these things, for these people what may sound narrow minded is just our love for our god

for a true muslim god and religion is above everything, these countries and all mean nothing in front of god and that is how it is supposed to be and I respect their views and opinions but they find it hard to do the same

well so be it. lets just move on from this discussion
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This is not anything about faith. A man has his duties. To his wife, kids, employer, country. no matter how religious he is, he still has his duties on earth. He cannot abandon his family and say I will just follow religion. Because he is responsible for them. Similarly, when one grows up in a country and uses it's resources, he has a duty to pay back. This might be in the form of supporting it or even defending when needed. Otherwise people are just leeches who use all the resources, but when it comes to paying back, make excuses not to serve one's country
 
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Mamoon said:
Ashwin has bowled such deliveries many times.
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Personally id have to give more credit to Ashwin than criticise Amla but thats your opinion

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Indiafan said:
Most probably because you do not have a point to debate here. You were not comparing overall cricketer and a person here. you were just saying he would score big and knock us out. The one has nought to do with the other

And I like how you take one of the humblest, down to earth and gentle player in the world as your role model and then talk about kicking teams out and sound arrogant. I thought being a role model means you learn from his conduct
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Totally agree. He is just fascinated by Amla's long beard nothing else. If Amla happened to read his posts he would be ashamed by knowing that cars follows him.
 
Amla was looking set for a ton but was unlucky today. Ball hit a tiny stone on the pitch and deviated.
 
Hashim Amla last 6 ODIs:

98, 41, 65, 100, 13, 109.

Total 426 runs at an average of 71 :O

So much for "decline".

Saeed Ajmal and Amla are on the RISE, rather than decline, despite being at the top for a number of consecutive years.
 
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