Hashim Amla | The Mega Discussion Thread

[chacha kashmiri]

misbah best odi player???
what about Ab,kohli,bailey,amla???

Just look at the stats from 2013
They answer all your questions

The only person who could possibly challenge misbah throughout 2013 was hafeez

 

[Adil_94]

Re: Hashim Amla - A sinking Ship?

Just look at the stats from 2013
They answer all your questions

The only person who could possibly challenge misbah throughout 2013 was hafeez

His average only tells you one half of the story Misbah averages 60 odd with a 70 S/R much rather have Batters like ABD MSD and Kohli who average 50 but have a 90 S/R they are game changers Misbah isn't he is the rock of our batting order but he isn't in their league

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[Statistics375]

Just look at the stats from 2013
They answer all your questions

The only person who could possibly challenge misbah throughout 2013 was hafeez

You lost all credibility when you said that.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

His average only tells you one half of the story Misbah averages 60 odd with a 70 S/R much rather have Batters like ABD MSD and Kohli who average 50 but have a 90 S/R they are game changers Misbah isn't he is the rock of our batting order but he isn't in their league

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Misbah led pak to victory against sa in 2013, what more do you want from him

 

[veeray]

Just look at the stats from 2013
They answer all your questions

The only person who could possibly challenge misbah throughout 2013 was hafeez

lol md halfeez the ultimate minnow basher.
like one poster said stats are some times misleading..the stats of misbah and halfeez dnt tell the whole story..misbah though is a quality player is no where near to be best player because of his strike rate..misbah can not win matches on his own like :devilliers..misbah though is a quality player will not find a place in odi 11.
and HAlfeez the less said about him the better.in 2013 he scored almost all his runs against minnows zimbabwe & ireland.and then against the medicore bowling attack of sri lanka on ROADS OF UAE.
i think he scored 5 100's against these teams..
Against rest he failed big time..

 

[eradicator]

TBH , Misbah is a more versatile Batsman than Amla who keeps going at a constant rate irrespective of the situation. Atleast Misbah can Tuk Tuk & go for the big shots when required.

 

[Jo_Don]

Re: Hashim Amla - A sinking Ship?

TBH , Misbah is a more versatile Batsman than Amla who keeps going at a constant rate irrespective of the situation. Atleast Misbah can Tuk Tuk & go for the big shots when required.

He has to go for big shots because he tuk tuks. It's a result of his own doing.

Amla's constant rate keeps the game flowing so that somebody else can do the damage at the other end.

 

[Mamoon]

He has to go for big shots because he tuk tuks. It's a result of his own doing.

Amla's constant rate keeps the game flowing so that somebody else can do the damage at the other end.

So you admit that Amla is always banking on someone else to do the damage and doesn't grab the game by the scruff of its neck himself?

if so, how can he be rated highly than Kohli, de Villiers and Dhoni? who not only accumulate but also have the prowess to kill a game or turn the table in half an hour?

I am speaking of ODIs. In Tests, it doesn't matter if Amla is one paced.

 

[Jo_Don]

Re: Hashim Amla - A sinking Ship?

So you admit that Amla is always banking on someone else to do the damage and doesn't grab the game by the scruff of its neck himself?

if so, how can he be rated highly than Kohli, de Villiers and Dhoni? who not only accumulate but also have the prowess to kill a game or turn the table in half an hour?

I am speaking of ODIs. In Tests, it doesn't matter if Amla is one paced.

That's his role in the team, I never suggested otherwise. Nor that he's better than Kohli or AB. Dhoni is a finisher and doesn't factor into a discussion about proper batsmen.

 

[Mamoon]

That's his role in the team, I never suggested otherwise. Nor that he's better than Kohli or AB. Dhoni is a finisher and doesn't factor into a discussion about proper batsmen.

Dhoni is as much of an innings builder as he is an accumulator.

Amla doesn't even come close to the top 3 ODI batsman in the world.

Your ability defines your role.

You role doesn't define your ability.

 

[Jo_Don]

Dhoni is as much of an innings builder as he is an accumulator.

Amla doesn't even come close to the top 3 ODI batsman in the world.

Your ability defines your role.

You role doesn't define your ability.

Sure, great innings-building ability here...

Dhoni is a good slogger. His technique and so-called ability has been exposed at test level. Even the most ardent Indian supporter will agree that he's not as good as Kohli, AB, Pujara or Amla as a batsman.

 

[Mamoon]

Dhoni is a cowlasher. A joke of a batsman at Test level but an ATG finisher in ODIs but an excellent innings builder as well.

Take a look at the first ODI vs Pakistan when he came in at 28/5 in difficult conditions. Went on to score a hundred.

As a finisher, he isn't the type of batsman to hit from the word go. He looks to feel his way in, consolidate and then destroy the bowling.

if you think Dhoni isn't a good innings builder in ODIs, you haven't watched him enough.

of course as a batsman across all formats, he isn't a patch on the players you mentioned.

 

[Jo_Don]

Sinking ship moves to #2 in the rankings...

 

[Buffet]

My list.

Top 3 ODI batsman

Kohli, de Villiers, Dhoni.

Top 3 Test batsman

de Villiers, Pujara, Clarke

Amla is 4th on my Test list and would barely make it into the top 10 of the ODIs list.

Nah, Amla is just behind those 3 in ODI and in test I think he is only behind AB. Pujara has not played much to be rated. Clarke scores heavily in Aus. He needs to score big runs outside as well to take over Amla.

 

[Adil_94]

Re: Hashim Amla - A sinking Ship?

TBH , Misbah is a more versatile Batsman than Amla who keeps going at a constant rate irrespective of the situation. Atleast Misbah can Tuk Tuk & go for the big shots when required.

Amla rotates the strike much better than Misbah Misbah is a better big hitter than Amla but Amla is a pretty pathetic hitter so that's not saying much if Misbah rotated the strike he'd be better than Amla

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[Adil_94]

Amla is the 4th best ODI bat in the world I mean just because he's a crap finisher doesn't make him a useless ODI player upto the 35th over Amla is world class if he can stay till then and get a ton at 90 S/R then his job is done after 35 overs he is a liability but he is the best at setting the platform for the big hitters like AB and Miller hacks like Hafeez and Jadeja are better finishers than Amla doesn't make them better players you need the platform to be able to tee off at the end

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[Haz95]

My list.

Top 3 ODI batsman

Kohli, de Villiers, Dhoni.

Top 3 Test batsman

de Villiers, Pujara, Clarke

its ABDV>Kohli>>>>>>>>>>>>everybody else
Right now no one is near AB with the bat in any forms except virat in ODIs but Pup is ahead of Pujara as he has much better feats than him, its only cos he's kinda out of form. You always seem to jump the fact that Amla scored that 118 whilst everyone was crumbling to and co. He is a pressure man in tests and is definitely gonna end at least/most at level.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Sure, great innings-building ability here...

Dhoni is a good slogger. His technique and so-called ability has been exposed at test level. Even the most ardent Indian supporter will agree that he's not as good as Kohli, AB, Pujara or Amla as a batsman.

Holy sh%t, those pics... What the hell is that? Certainly not cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

Ship sinking in an ICC event again

 

[Aman]

Mr. Titanic, how would you describe Amin's career?

 

[Mamoon]

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Stay on topic.

What has Amla the legend got to do with the upcoming Amin?

 

[IndianWillow]

Sure, great innings-building ability here...

Dhoni is a good slogger. His technique and so-called ability has been exposed at test level. Even the most ardent Indian supporter will agree that he's not as good as Kohli, AB, Pujara or Amla as a batsman.

Easy to dig out such photos for every batsman.

Dhoni is a top ODI batsman, not a slogger. A slogger does not average 53 after 250 matches, you are welcome to provide another example of a slogger who has Dhoni like stats and notable performances.

 

[Mamoon]

Easy to dig out such photos for every batsman.

Dhoni is a top ODI batsman, not a slogger. A slogger does not average 53 after 250 matches, you are welcome to provide another example of a slogger who has Dhoni like stats and notable performances.

Forget it.

People look at India's strong batting and think as if they are invincible.

I have lost count of the number of times Dhoni has saved the team from collapsing. He has done the "Misbah job" many times, but unlike Misbah, he has finished the innings with aplomb.

 

[King Cobra]

Will Hashim Amla finally come good in a knock out match?

Amla , as we all know is a run machine however the criticism that goes against him especially in Limited Over Internationals is that he scores too heavily in league games but goes missing in the all important Knock out matches.

So , since its certain that the 2nd Semi-Final is going to be between India and South Africa, will Amla be finally able to shut up his critics by firing from the front in the all important knock out match ?

Ideal opportunity for Amla imo. His team is in good form , he will be up against his favourite opposition and chance to qualify for the finals.

 

[Mamoon]

He will come good. He is in good form and he has had a good measure of Indian bowlers in recent times.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Why do I think that he will choke considering the good form of Indian bowlers which is a surprise.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Amla & Kock have played a good part of 150 overs in LOI's against India not too long ago. Although with different conditions and inclusion of Mishra it might make things a bit dicey but I expect them to give a lot better start than others have against us.

 

[King Cobra]

He will come good. He is in good form and he has had a good measure of Indian bowlers in recent times.

But the pressure of Semis can get to him .

 

[eradicator]

I expect a typical Amla Bhai knock of 25 in 30 balls , this killing all the momentum in the innings, mainly because he is a Poor T20 player just like Dhoni.

 

[Bilal7]

I expect a typical Amla Bhai knock of 25 in 30 balls , this killing all the momentum in the innings, mainly because he is a Poor T20 player just like Dhoni.

LOL! A little late to the party are you not, my friend? Amla has already shown that he can be as destructive as any when required.

But the pressure of Semis can get to him .

If he fails, which he very well might, it won't be because of the pressure. I don't believe in this "Amla chokes during tournaments".

 

[Pro Era]

Well anything can happen but I don't see Amla choking on too many consistent occasions, he's too great of a batsman to allow pressure to get the best of him IMO at least on a consistent basis that is, even the greatest batsman have been known to choke.

No offense to Tendulkar, one of the greatest batsman ever to play but it his most important matches in the WC finals, he's essentially choked.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Well anything can happen but I don't see Amla choking on too many consistent occasions, he's too great of a batsman to allow pressure to get the best of him IMO at least on a consistent basis that is, even the greatest batsman have been known to choke.

No offense to Tendulkar, one of the greatest batsman ever to play but it his most important matches in the WC finals, he's essentially choked.

Did sachin played finals in every two years, he played only two finals in all 23 years. Amla is playing ICC events in every year or two, this is his 3rd event in last 3 years and next year he will play another world cup.
On the topic Amla is too good to fail everytime, he is a beast , so there is every chance that he might make runs against our trundlers

 

[eradicator]

LOL! A little late to the party are you not, my friend? Amla has already shown that he can be as destructive as any when required.

Shown what exactly ? 1 Fifty after 25 matches ? Is that what would you call destructive ?

Very low standards.

 

[Bilal7]

Shown what exactly ? 1 Fifty after 25 matches ? Is that what would you call destructive ?

Very low standards.

SR of 90+ in ODIs, SR of 120+ in T20's are proof enough that a typical Hashim bhai innings is not a 25 off 30.

Where is your proof? Your blind hatred of Hashim bhai, bhai?

 

[Pro Era]

Did sachin played finals in every two years, he played only two finals in all 23 years. Amla is playing ICC events in every year or two, this is his 3rd event in last 3 years and next year he will play another world cup.
On the topic Amla is too good to fail everytime, he is a beast , so there is every chance that he might make runs against our trundlers

Still a choke is a choke. You understand the point, even the best fail.

 

[eradicator]

SR of 90+ in ODIs, SR of 120+ in T20's are proof enough that a typical Hashim bhai innings is not a 25 off 30.

Where is your proof? Your blind hatred of Hashim bhai, bhai?

Amla is still a choker , always fails when it matters in ICC tournaments.

Would love to be proved wrong though. Match on at 4th April.

 

[Bilal7]

Amla is still a choker , always fails when it matters in ICC tournaments.

Would love to be proved wrong though. Match on at 4th April.

Nice shifting of the goalposts though. And LOL at the bolded!

 

[Smbhayi]

Amla is still a choker , always fails when it matters in ICC tournaments.

Would love to be proved wrong though. Match on at 4th April.

big no.. I don't want he's get mote than 20..

 

[Itachi]

amla will choke. he will make a typical 21-22 runs around 25-26 balls.

ABCD will fail. he is another choker in the list....

danger man? de cock.... this man can change the table.... indian bowlers, watch out for him.

 

[Smbhayi]

btw which one take you, Amla's 40 from 25 balls or 35 from 35 balls.. I like the first one.. bcos how long he stay crease there's more chance they get big score..

 

[Itachi]

big no.. I don't want he's get mote than 20..

the more the time amla bats, it is better for india cz he destroys the momentum.

 

[Smbhayi]

amla will choke. he will make a typical 21-22 runs around 25-26 balls.

ABCD will fail. he is another choker in the list....

danger man? de cock.... this man can change the table.... indian bowlers, watch out for him.

I don't think he's good against spinners.. how much ABD or Amla chokes still they one are India afraid... de Kock too not good in under pressure..

 

[eradicator]

big no.. I don't want he's get mote than 20..

Let him get 20 , infact more than 20.

If he gets 20 , it will be in 25 balls.

If he gets 30, it will be in 35 balls,

If he gets 40, it will be in 45 balls.

50 in 55 balls and so on.

The difference between his runs scored and balls consumed will only be 5 irrespective of the match situation ( unless its his exceptional day like the last match )

So pray for him to score yet another match losing knock , the bigger the better.

India should look forward to make Amla play as many balls as possible because if Amla gets out cheaply then ABCD will smash double number of runs in balls that he will get.

 

[Smbhayi]

the more the time amla bats, it is better for india cz he destroys the momentum.

nope.. SA plan is bat around with Amla.. he easily can rotate strike..

 

[hafeezrocks]

Why do the Indians hate Amla so much ?

p.s : no amla fan here.

 

[Smbhayi]

Let him get 20 , infact more than 20.

If he gets 20 , it will be in 25 balls.

If he gets 30, it will be in 35 balls,

If he gets 40, it will be in 45 balls.

50 in 55 balls and so on.

The difference between his runs scored and balls consumed will only be 5 irrespective of the match situation ( unless its his exceptional day like the last match )

So pray for him to score yet another match losing knock , the bigger the better.

India should look forward to make Amla play as many balls as possible because if Amla gets out cheaply then ABCD will smash double number of runs in balls that he will get.

I think Amla has the lowest dot ball percentage.. so how long he stays, he can easily rotate strike and others can hit around..

 

[Bilal7]

Why do the Indians hate Amla so much ?

p.s : no amla fan here.

These same Indian fans are the ones posting anti-Islamic comments in the timepass section so that is my theory.

 

[Smbhayi]

if you check this tournament who score big so far, for Shehzad there's able support from malik, for junior Akmal there's senior Akmal, for Maxwell there's finch etc.. so its important some one must be bat around till 12-14 overs...

 

[King Cobra]

LOL! A little late to the party are you not, my friend? Amla has already shown that he can be as destructive as any when required.



If he fails, which he very well might, it won't be because of the pressure. I don't believe in this "Amla chokes during tournaments".

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=179136&highlight=amla

I guess that pretty soon changing to Odis+T20s unless Hash fires in one of the ICC events.

 

[eradicator]

if you check this tournament who score big so far, for Shehzad there's able support from malik, for junior Akmal there's senior Akmal, for Maxwell there's finch etc.. so its important some one must be bat around till 12-14 overs...

You have a point there but lets see if any batsmen at the other end would fire meanwhile Amla is dealing in singles and doubles , because if not then all blame would come on Amla.

 

[Smbhayi]

These same Indian fans are the ones posting anti-Islamic comments in the timepass section so that is my theory.

you just post an anti-islamic one.. Backbiting (gheebah) is strictly prohibited from Islam...

 

[Mobashir]

The last match (against England) was already a knock out match for South Africa and Amla did brilliantly.

 

[bill_123]

These same Indian fans are the ones posting anti-Islamic comments in the timepass section so that is my theory.

agreed

they love to hate him for his beard and his faith

so yes if he fails most of these guys will be jumping up and down like crazy

not that it matters still hope he shuts them up

insha allah he will come good....lets hope

 

[eradicator]

The last match (against England) was already a knock out match for South Africa and Amla did brilliantly.

Nope, South Africa still could have gone to the Semis even with losing that match.

Because one of the teams among NZ and SL is going to remain on 4 points anyways, there was some chance with the help of NRR.

The first knock out is the Semis. Period.

Then the finals.

Amla Bhai must fire in atleast one of the matches , for the sake of reputation he has.

 

[Electron]

Amla-brigade is more jazbaati than Teenda-brigade.

 

[Smbhayi]

You have a point there but lets see if any batsmen at the other end would fire meanwhile Amla is dealing in singles and doubles , because if not then all blame would come on Amla.

I think the instruction give to Amla is bat around 10-12 overs bcos they don't want the likes of miller and Morkel comes early.. its bcos of continues critics Amla tried to accelerate..

Amla, in his first summer with the Cobras, was the third-highest run scorer and played fewer matches than anyone else inthe top 10. He featured in eight games and accumulated 317 runs with a top-score of 84. His strike-rate was 143.43and he was able to score at that speed despite losing his opening partner inside the first two overs in five of those matches

http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t20/content/story/731341.html

 

[Smbhayi]

agreed

they love to hate him for his beard and his faith

so yes if he fails most of these guys will be jumping up and down like crazy

not that it matters still hope he shuts them up

insha allah he will come good....lets hope

lol.. then why lot Indians like ...? he has too have a beard, he too a Muslim and according to pp he has some connection with some Muslim organization..

 

[bill_123]

lol.. then why lot Indians like ...? he has too have a beard, he too a Muslim and according to pp he has some connection with some Muslim organization..

not everyone

Iam an indian I know many who love amla as well but still nobody can deny the racist hatred he gets from a lot of them as well

 

[bill_123]

lol.. then why lot Indians like ...? he has too have a beard, he too a Muslim and according to pp he has some connection with some Muslim organization..

and btw dude I think we better not stretch this discussion
I stated what is my opinion and what I felt I have seen around me and around the internet

u can express your opinion as well on topic but its better we do not discuss it in depth here as mods will not like religious discussions on this forum

 

[Electron]

lol.. then why lot Indians like ...? he has too have a beard, he too a Muslim and according to pp he has some connection with some Muslim organization..

Some people will always have a hard time understanding that religion has no role to play when it comes to Indians idolizing someone. They believe that since they do something, it must be true for others as well.

 

[Lara400]

What's going on in this thread? Are free IPL contracts being dished out? Or is this the meeting point for the IDL?

 

[bill_123]

Some people will always have a hard time understanding that religion has no role to play when it comes to Indians idolizing someone. They believe that since they do something, it must be true for others as well.

no need for indirect jibes dude

I have never denied that I love amla for his religious faith as well

and why not

for us muslims our religion is above everything

and this is just my personal faith

however I do not see a lot of muslims hating on a cricketer just because of his faith but the same cannot be said about a lot of

see I do not want to get into this discussion so I stated my opinion

you could have done the same

 

[Electron]

no need for indirect jibes dude

I have never denied that I love amla for his religious faith as well

and why not

for us muslims our religion is above everything

and this is just my personal faith

however I do not see a lot of muslims hating on a cricketer just because of his faith but the same cannot be said about a lot of

see I do not want to get into this discussion so I stated my opinion

you could have done the same

It's a very direct jibe at people who are bringing "Amla-hate" and "Muslim-hate" into a discussion which has nothing to do with it. Why is it hard for posters to believe that not everyone will praise Amla to the extent that they do ?

 

[Poison]

Strange posts in this thread ... Amla literally does nothing on-field or off-field to generate the kind of hate here.

 

[bill_123]

It's a very direct jibe at people who are bringing "Amla-hate" and "Muslim-hate" into a discussion which has nothing to do with it. Why is it hard for posters to believe that not everyone will praise Amla to the extent that they do ?

which is absolutely fine imo

I know a lot of Indians who hate amla because they think he has an ugly back lift or they think he is a choker etc

which is fine. personal opinions

I would love to see amla score big and eliminate india from semis but its fine if he chokes and Indians go crazy over him and his fans but some of them bring extra hate when they get such opportunies and that is just wrong. absolutely wrong

hate the player for his talent/lack of talent and his performances but not his personal beliefs

 

[akki]

Who hates amla yar he hasnt played well against our indian bowling line up much yet and it has nthing to do wid muslims man.our fav bollywood stars are muslims and our fav bowler wasim akram and etc etc. I dnt knw why sum muslims keep crying alwaz abt their religion alwaz.cmmon man in india we youngsters really dnt give attention to ny religion.tired of telling dis.only religion is humanity yar

 

[King Cobra]

which is absolutely fine imo

I know a lot of Indians who hate amla because they think he has an ugly back lift or they think he is a choker etc

which is fine. personal opinions

I would love to see amla score big and eliminate india from semis but its fine if he chokes and Indians go crazy over him and his fans but some of them bring extra hate when they get such opportunies and that is just wrong. absolutely wrong

hate the player for his talent/lack of talent and his performances but not his personal beliefs

So you are an Indian but you want Amla to score big against India ( Your own country ) and eliminate them from the tournament only because Amla is a Muslim, and for you Amla a Muslim doing well is more important than your home team doing well.

Nice.

 

[Electron]

which is absolutely fine imo

I know a lot of Indians who hate amla because they think he has an ugly back lift or they think he is a choker etc

which is fine. personal opinions

I would love to see amla score big and eliminate india from semis but its fine if he chokes and Indians go crazy over him and his fans but some of them bring extra hate when they get such opportunies and that is just wrong. absolutely wrong

hate the player for his talent/lack of talent and his performances but not his personal beliefs

That's the thing. Nothing from the above comments suggests a "religion-based" hate as a lot of posters above seem to be suggesting. There is no need to drag religion everywhere, that's what I said.

 

[bill_123]

So you are an Indian but you want Amla to score big against India ( Your own country ) and eliminate them from the tournament only because Amla is a Muslim, and for you Amla a Muslim doing well is more important than your home team doing well.

Nice.

for a muslim his religion is above all

I follow that personally

if it does not sit well with you well ....I don't care....

 

[bill_123]

That's the thing. Nothing from the above comments suggests a "religion-based" hate as a lot of posters above seem to be suggesting. There is no need to drag religion everywhere, that's what I said.

maybe I was wrong in stating my opinion in this thread but I just wrote what I had observed overall including this forum as well in the past

 

[hafeezrocks]

Things have got just a bit hot out here , thanks to one of the most coolest guys in World cricket.

 

[Smbhayi]

for a muslim his religion is above all

I follow that personally

if it does not sit well with you well ....I don't care....

and Islam teach us love your mother country, that's a part of Muslim...

 

[TM Riddle]

I would love to see amla score big and eliminate india from semis

Disappointed with you man. thankfully not every Indian Muslim think like you

 

[avicricket]

So if shami bowls to amla who will you support bill as both of them are muslim?

 

[Mamoon]

LOL at bill_123.

This is even worse than "I hope Amla scores 40 against Pakistan so that his average isn't disturbed".

 

[Mamoon]

So if shami bowls to amla who will you support bill as both of them are muslim?

Amla. He has a beard therefore is a more practicing Muslim. That is why you don't see people calling him Shami bhai or Zaheer bhai, Munaf bhai etc.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

which is absolutely fine imo

I know a lot of Indians who hate amla because they think he has an ugly back lift or they think he is a choker etc

which is fine. personal opinions

I would love to see amla score big and eliminate india from semis but its fine if he chokes and Indians go crazy over him and his fans but some of them bring extra hate when they get such opportunies and that is just wrong. absolutely wrong

hate the player for his talent/lack of talent and his performances but not his personal beliefs

Shouldn't it be the other way around too? Admire a player who is talented not because he has a beard or is a Muslim.

In fact if anyone has brought religion into this discussion it is you.

 

[Dragon]

I think he would play good

 

[coooolali]

Is there some stat to back this up? How many knockout matches has he played anyway?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Amla. He has a beard therefore is a more practicing Muslim. That is why you don't see people calling him Shami bhai or Zaheer bhai, Munaf bhai etc.

Isn't Munaf Patel a Hindu?