Have you lost faith in Pakistan Cricket?

[Major]

NVM, i Love Pakistan Cricket once again

 

[the Great Khan]

I hung on. But lost faith 3 years ago. Enough was enough. Nothing changes. They were on the right track. Slow and plodding but I could see a strategy. But this new regime seems to be hell bent on wanting to destroy the organisation. I see no real hope. Haven't watched a game for ages.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Win or lose is part of the game.

I have lost faith in our test match cricket. But in LOIs we will bounce back.

Just a few years ago I remember watching Indian anchors who were commenting on our team reaching semi final and finals of world cups in T20.

Now we are at a low ebb.

Take the good with the bad. It's what makes sport enjoyable.

 

[Boyka]

Obviously we don’t have a professional administration or system that rewards the best and most talented players but it’s always been like this. It doesn’t help when the cricket is dependant upon the sitting governments competency.

 

[JibranAnsari]

You can only lose 'total' faith if you are sure that everything is there for the players to nourish their game and still the system is not able to produce good players. The thing about PCB is that they are just after short term things, change and chop players, change a captain, change a coach, increase or decrease teams in domestic circuit etc.

No one in PCB is willing to improve the pitches used in domestic circuit, the coaching provided at domestic level, the umpiring standard at domestic level.

The club cricket in pakistan is almost non existent, there is no school cricket. If a kid wants to become a cricketer in pakistan, he doesnt know where to start. Only probably the under 19 cricket is something that os functional. I watched some clips from ranji cricket and they have pitched which have bounce and they leave grass on for the seamers help, and then they have pitches that help spinners. What do we have? Dead pitches all over pakistan, remember to create spinning tracks pakistan had to use artificial means against england and west indies. Also PCB being run by the people who dont know anything about cricket.

There is so much room for improvement in the system, instead of just makimg changes in the team staff and members, make changes at grass root levels.

The current team reflects the system we have at place.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Win or lose is part of the game.

I have lost faith in our test match cricket. But in LOIs we will bounce back.

Just a few years ago I remember watching Indian anchors who were commenting on our team reaching semi final and finals of world cups in T20.

Now we are at a low ebb.

Take the good with the bad. It's what makes sport enjoyable.

Pakistan has kicked out the architects of those highs and this forum has celebrated their exit with grand parades.
Babar and Rizwan deserved better. They were not ATGs but they are still the highest quality players available in Pakistan.
The replacements for Babar and Rizwan are worse than the lowest performances by the two.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Things have not been right for Pak cricket۔
We used to be the land of pacers but they are injured on and off, hitting their career during their peak ages
Too much political influence led to frequent management/captaincy changes
Every chairmen in last 2 years came up with their own captain and rules
Once the team start getting used to a certain system, it is changed by the new management
We have not lost belief in Pak cricket but in the deep rooted system; that, if corrected, can see Pakistan cricket, with the same team, to new highs

the new guys have v much potential

eg, Shaheen, if given a chance to carry on his captaincy, could have done wonders but his fate was decided after a couple of series failure

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistan has kicked out the architects of those highs and this forum has celebrated their exit with grand parades.
Babar and Rizwan deserved better. They were not ATGs but they are still the highest quality players available in Pakistan.
The replacements for Babar and Rizwan are worse than the lowest performances by the two.

We weren't merely replacing players but replacing an ideology.

Sure the execution hasn't been successful, but the steps taken were necessary.

Just because these players haven't been successful immediately doesn't mean we have to go back to the old ideology. We push forward with other players.

Rizwan and Babar have only been removed from T20. They are still in tests and ODI. Many ATG dont play this format much anyway. Root or Steve Smith legacy hasn't been dented by not playing much T20. If Babar and Rizwan want to be ATG they still have opportunities in other formats.

 

[BouncerGuy]

We weren't merely replacing players but replacing an ideology.

Sure the execution hasn't been successful, but the steps taken were necessary.

Just because these players haven't been successful immediately doesn't mean we have to go back to the old ideology. We push forward with other players.

Rizwan and Babar have only been removed from T20. They are still in tests and ODI. Many ATG dont play this format much anyway. Root or Steve Smith legacy hasn't been dented by not playing much T20. If Babar and Rizwan want to be ATG they still have opportunities in other formats.

If we have replaced khushdil and salman for them then we are doomed

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If we have replaced khushdil and salman for them then we are doomed

Khushdil hasn't played. He is a squad member only. He isn't a replacement for them.

Agha performance has been poor and captaincy against India was poor. He needs to take more control for sure.

 

[ghalib kichlu]

Things have not been right for Pak cricket۔
We used to be the land of pacers but they are injured on and off, hitting their career during their peak ages
Too much political influence led to frequent management/captaincy changes
Every chairmen in last 2 years came up with their own captain and rules
Once the team start getting used to a certain system, it is changed by the new management
We have not lost belief in Pak cricket but in the deep rooted system; that, if corrected, can see Pakistan cricket, with the same team, to new highs

the new guys have v much potential

eg, Shaheen, if given a chance to carry on his captaincy, could have done wonders but his fate was decided after a couple of series failure

With the captaincy and the bowling injuries are we talking the 90s,00s or the 10s

In terms of competitiveness this is the worst pakistan team I have seen since 2007
In terms of talent it’s the best Pakistan team I’ve seen since 2003
The only thing lacking is the fast bowling reserves, which are more depleted than the river Nile during the 7 months of winter
Also a captain who performs with the bat would be a bonus

 

[Obaidd]

Me when I see a thread like this:

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Reality of Pakistan cricket. Past, present and future..

 

[AZulfi]

I have not lost faith ... just do not expect them to win against the 5 big boyz or Windies for that matter because of batting limitations.

With the captaincy and the bowling injuries are we talking the 90s,00s or the 10s

In terms of competitiveness this is the worst pakistan team I have seen since 2007
In terms of talent it’s the best Pakistan team I’ve seen since 2003
The only thing lacking is the fast bowling reserves, which are more depleted than the river Nile during the 7 months of winter
Also a captain who performs with the bat would be a bonus

Batting is the main issue imo. Just not enough good powerhitters

 

[Kriketer]

Fought well today, better than what I was expecting. Needed 10-15 more runs to really seal it. Not having hard hitters in the middle-late order has cost Pakistan many games in the past 5-6 years. How we can't find reliable strong hitters in the middle is beyond belief

 

[psyoptica]

I have not lost faith ... just do not expect them to win against the 5 big boyz or Windies for that matter because of batting limitations.

Batting is the main issue imo. Just not good enough powerhitters

Fixed for you

 

[Kianig89]

4-0 against India in 6 months, unable to beat any proper Test playing nations, dearth of fast bowlers, lack of power hitters, clueless skipper. Faith k F b nhi ha idar

 

[psyoptica]

4-0 against India in 6 months, unable to beat any proper Test playing nations, dearth of fast bowlers, lack of power hitters, clueless skipper. Faith k F b nhi ha idar

Pakistan was never this bad in all of its history. This is rock bottom. Both as a nation and as a sport team

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan was never this bad in all of its history. This is rock bottom. Both as a nation and as a sport team

Pakistan fluctuate from #5 to #8.

Pakistan and Sri Lanka are at a similar level. No longer top teams but also not minnows. Somewhere in between.

 

[Energy]

Fought well today, better than what I was expecting. Needed 10-15 more runs to really seal it. Not having hard hitters in the middle-late order has cost Pakistan many games in the past 5-6 years. How we can't find reliable strong hitters in the middle is beyond belief

This has been lingering since the days of Babar and Rizwan opening, so a good 5 years now.

Asif, Khushdil, Irfan, Hassan Nawaz, Talat and others have been given opportunity but no one cemented their place, due to pressure and politics. Some of them needed the long rope like Saim who has been abysmal as opener.

Why politics? Because the agenda was to squeeze Shadab at 6 no matter what. And to make room for Babar in the middle order.

That's how the PCB works. Back scratching merchants.

 

[Cric1234]

Pakistan was never this bad in all of its history. This is rock bottom. Both as a nation and as a sport team

In ODI world cups Pakistan have been bad for a long time.... T20s there's still some hope.... Test team is weak no chance of making a WTC final anytime soon.

 

[psyoptica]

Pakistan fluctuate from #5 to #8.

Pakistan and Sri Lanka are at a similar level. Not top teams but also not minnows. Somewhere in between.

Pakistan traditionally always had decent players who at the very least beat lower ranked teams and competed with India. We were unpredictable but we had match winners. The current team is a sharp contrast to the teams we have had in the past.

 

[Hitman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026342419269300357

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan traditionally always had decent players who at the very least beat lower ranked teams and competed with India. We were unpredictable but not we had match winners. The current team is a sharp contrast to the teams we have had in the past.

Yes. I follow cricket (including Pakistani cricket) since 1997. I have to say current Pakistani side is worse compared to previous generations of Pakistani cricketers.

I think this decline started after 2022 World T20. Before that, they were doing okay (finished 5th in 2019 WC, went to semi in 2021 World T20, went to final in 2022 World T20).

 

[chakdeindian]

In the last champions trophy, many Pakistanis belittled India's win as home advantage,same venue .etc, but Pak team with the same home advantage and even with the toss advantage that India didn't have had lost two matches against main teams..They barely survived against a minnows team..This is despite having a trump card like Usman Tariq whom players are still figuring out..That says the quality of overall Pakistan team...

 

[The_KING]

I lost faith in pakistan cricket about a decade ago. I have zero expectations from this team.

 

[sweep_shot]

I lost faith in pakistan cricket about a decade ago. I have zero expectations from this team.

I lost faith in cricket as a whole. I still watch due to nostalgia factor. There is no emotion involved. Cricket has been ruined by franchise leagues, overcommercialization, petty politics etc.

 

[shah9425]

Fought well today, better than what I was expecting. Needed 10-15 more runs to really seal it. Not having hard hitters in the middle-late order has cost Pakistan many games in the past 5-6 years. How we can't find reliable strong hitters in the middle is beyond belief

When you accommodate bits and pieces
And fake all rounders it happens

 

[BouncerGuy]

4-0 against India in 6 months, unable to beat any proper Test playing nations, dearth of fast bowlers, lack of power hitters, clueless skipper. Faith k F b nhi ha idar

But we smashed Namibia bhai... Netherlands...Bhool gaye... Legendary performance..

 

[The_KING]

I lost faith in cricket as a whole. I still watch due to nostalgia factor. There is no emotion involved. Cricket has been ruined by franchise leagues, overcommercialization, petty politics etc.

I feel the same way. Too many T20 leagues, tournaments happening every year, and heavy Indian influence have destroyed the magic and beauty of cricket.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Sports is a way to give people hope. Pakistan cricket on the other hand is a political enterprise which is a PR tool for the brutal regimes. There has been money in the sport but none of it is going to the grass roots in fact PCB remains a gravy train for officials who fail to plan or delivery anything properly.

Not a single new cricket ground has been built in any population center. The renovation projects have stalled & the timelines for them keep moving forward. Another white elephant project where a ground in Islamabad is being built which is nothing but an eco-genocide and also unnecessary. Centers like Gujranwala, Faisalabad, Gujrat, Wazirabad, etc. are almost forgotten.

School cricket has almost disappeared. The privatization of education sector has ensured that people are allowed to run schools from their 3 marla houses where zero emphasis is paid on sport. More than 1/3rd of children are suffering from malnutrition & there are literally no avenues to take up sport.

The domestic system is so poor that there's a qualification tournament going on between teams to qualify for the National T20 but the standard of cricket is so poor that the games are almost unwatchable. In one match you'd see a part-timer defend 3 runs in the final over, in another you'll see a team get bundled out for 100 and then still win the match.

The cricket team of Pakistan functions despite all the issues that we have. Cricketers are needlessly abused when they are the only people who go out and perform their job in front of the world. The pressure on them is insane, the medical facilities are non-existent, no one is there to put a hand over their shoulder and teach them how to spend the money that they earn or just how to become better human beings. if they are selfish, it's because our society is self centered and shortcuts are the acceptable. I mean the qualification for police exam is a 1 mile run but people bribe police to pass that exam without running and we expect our team to be a paradigm of virtue and excellence.

Even then the team has done decent. It's a mid table team and it performs exactly as expected. Bully the weak, get bullied by the stronger. They may still qualify for the semis of this tournament, they may even win it, but that won't change a single thing about how dysfunctional Pak is and how temporary success won't change anything until we have honest competent people in the right places who look at the whole eco-system and care for the welfare of everyone instead of just cherry picking a few things and complain about it.

 

[Concerned]

For me the downside started after they lost to India & USA. Such shamble performances.

PCB needs to stop playing mediocre teams, building fake narratives with the whole set up collapsing as soon as a decent opposition is played against.

 

[the Great Khan]

Yes. I follow cricket (including Pakistani cricket) since 1997. I have to say current Pakistani side is worse compared to previous generations of Pakistani cricketers.

I think this decline started after 2022 World T20. Before that, they were doing okay (finished 5th in 2019 WC, went to semi in 2021 World T20, went to final in 2022 World T20).

Ive watched since 84/85. The players aren't totally to blame. The blame is on the govt and the PCB. There is no plan or strategy. Its run by babus. Corrupt boomers who couldnt care less about the country. Our current rulers have no need for sport. Its just for low level civilians. They have no idea what the impact major sport can have.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I will never lose faith in Asians.

 

[the Great Khan]

That's why nothing changes. Everything is dealt with on an ad hoc basis. " lets fix the leak and keep the boat afloat" rather than either fixing the whole boat or replacing it with something better. Hence why its just a waste of time watching these days. And thats outside of other issues like leagues and lack of real test cricket or competitive overall cricket.

Cricket is now a game like Rugby League. Where you have three massive teams and the rest are just window dressing. Its uncompetitive. When I was growing up every team could on their day beat everyone. Yes the windies dominated but it was a sporting domination. Something that could be overcome through sport. Same with the aussies. But today we have a system dominating. And when systems start to or are allowed to dominate, its very hard to change it as the key stakeholders have too much to lose. So you get stuck. And you cant get out unless you have real vision and really take a risk. A country like Pakistan has to be less risk averse but alas...

 

[ads101]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026342419269300357

Kind of agree with them. I don’t think there’s any sports team in the world who have as much pressure and media criticism to win the trophy and be that low ranked to win. Pakistan are arguably 6th/7th favourites to win every single tournament. And yet Pakistan has won tournaments and got to finals in recent decades. The more talented sides of the past post 92 and 2000s won nothing.

Every tournament it’s dropping, repicking, short term fixes to win a tournament. Should be slow progress over many years given their position we are. Look how New Zealand have transformed their side. But every time just panic and criticism. That sort of mentality is only really acceptable when you are actually favourites to win. Otherwise it doesn’t help a team. Expecting a team to consistently outperform their abilities and past history just creates a lack of confidence.