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Hindu right-wing groups destroy Christmas Decoration

That's the worst thing they can do, and they talk about how much freedom Indian minorities have to celebrate their occasions and pray in their churches/temples/mosques.

What Indian minorities face is far worse than minorities from other countries face.

Indian minorities are facing a slow genocide. They are getting attacked, lynched, killed, discriminated etc.

World must put pressure on India to ensure minority protections.

#SaveIndianMinorities
 
Our PM celebrated Christmas too bro


Think posting head of state celebrating a minority festival is not a true reflection of the society. You need to reflect how systematic discrimination happen against minorities. I dont think anyone in their right mind ever thinks minorities gets better treatment in Pakistan compared to India. Even Indian minorties dont think that way and hence their population is increasing all the time where as Pakistan has the recorded worst record in treating minorities.

I am not blaming your beloved party in power for this though. This is the case since the formation of Pakistan. But just saying PM celebrating Christmas is nothing but a photo OP.
Can a Pak PM do this?

Modi went to a church, stood in front of Jesus and participated in the speech given by the Father.

If Showbaz does this, the extremists will be after him. Even many members of this board will be after him. :mv
 
Can a Pak PM do this?

Modi went to a church, stood in front of Jesus and participated in the speech given by the Father.

If Showbaz does this, the extremists will be after him. Even many members of this board will be after him. :mv
:facepalm:facepalm

What was Asim munir doing tomorrow.....so awful point scoring
 
Any unbiased analysis from @Theanonymousone ?
There is no need for analysis.
This is honestly embarrassing for India. And police should give belt treatment for the goons who are attacking these events.

Having said that, these are very sporadic I feel. While I cannot speak about the ground reality in all the 28 states in India, Southern states like Andhra, Telangana and Karnataka doesn't face these kind of attacks. The only issue comes when Christian missionaries come and try to take advantage of people going every home to preach and some village communities reject those things strongly.
 
What Indian minorities face is far worse than minorities from other countries face.

Indian minorities are facing a slow genocide. They are getting attacked, lynched, killed, discriminated etc.

World must put pressure on India to ensure minority protections.

#SaveIndianMinorities
Muslims gets the most benefits from government schemes and if religious discrimination exists, that wouldn't happen.

 
Are you half asleep or not following the thread

Not at pm house. But actually going to a church and paying respects to Jesus and mother Mary.
Every clown gives a speech. Reality matters when you have to be inside a church and pay respects to Jesus there.

Your religion calls Jesus a serif Allah. A blasphemy to a Christian’s ears. :mv
 
Can a Pak PM do this?

Modi went to a church, stood in front of Jesus and participated in the speech given by the Father.

If Showbaz does this, the extremists will be after him. Even many members of this board will be after him. :mv
Watching a self proclaimed atheist bend over backwards to praise someone from a group actively vandalizing churches is peak intellectual gymnastics.

And the defense? but the PM went to church on Christmas. the political photo op, history’s strongest proof that bigotry has been defeated. Case closed, religion solved.

The Hindutva atheist and the Hindutva Christian teaming up to defend religious extremists is honestly the most revealing part. They keep insisting they’re something they’re clearly not, while instinctively defaulting to their favorite escape hatch, what about Pakistan? and what about Muslims?, the universal panic button for anyone who’s run out of logic but still wants to feel righteous.

This thread is both comedy gold and deeply tragic. Because when an ideology has to wear disguises just to stay socially acceptable, it’s not belief anymore, it’s inherited hatred doing cosplay.
 
Not at pm house. But actually going to a church and paying respects to Jesus and mother Mary.
Every clown gives a speech. Reality matters when you have to be inside a church and pay respects to Jesus there.

Your religion calls Jesus a serif Allah. A blasphemy to a Christian’s ears. :mv

A Prime Minister visiting a church for cameras is symbolism, not proof of tolerance. Real respect for Christians is shown through their safety, freedom to worship, and equal rights, not a one-day visit.

Muslims don’t need to enter a church to prove respect for Jesus or Mary. In Islam, Jesus (Isa) and Mary (Maryam) are already honoured figures. Respect doesn’t require copying another religion’s rituals or spaces.

Also, disagreement is not blasphemy. Christians believe Jesus is divine; Muslims believe he is a prophet. That difference has existed for 1,400 years and has never stopped coexistence where mutual respect exists.


If visiting churches is your benchmark, then explain why:
  1. Churches are attacked
  2. Pastors are arrested
  3. Christians are abused for celebrating their festivals

Tolerance is measured by how minorities live daily, not by where a PM stands for a photo.
So no not going to a church doesn’t mean disrespect. Using minorities for political optics does.
 
A Prime Minister visiting a church for cameras is symbolism, not proof of tolerance. Real respect for Christians is shown through their safety, freedom to worship, and equal rights, not a one-day visit.

Muslims don’t need to enter a church to prove respect for Jesus or Mary. In Islam, Jesus (Isa) and Mary (Maryam) are already honoured figures. Respect doesn’t require copying another religion’s rituals or spaces.

Also, disagreement is not blasphemy. Christians believe Jesus is divine; Muslims believe he is a prophet. That difference has existed for 1,400 years and has never stopped coexistence where mutual respect exists.


If visiting churches is your benchmark, then explain why:
  1. Churches are attacked
  2. Pastors are arrested
  3. Christians are abused for celebrating their festivals

Tolerance is measured by how minorities live daily, not by where a PM stands for a photo.
So no not going to a church doesn’t mean disrespect. Using minorities for political optics does.
Not claiming it is all rosy for Christians in India. There is a lot of friction when it comes to conversions. In the recent times there is also opposition to the display of Christian symbols out in the open. They are considered as part of conversion strategy by insecure Hindus.

Let me tell you, real safety is about letting Christians convert others without the fear of getting lynched or where the converted man has to explain himself in the court as to why he is converted. All these superficial photo ops by Pak is not going to fool anyone. You know the reality in Pak. Christians can only convert Hindu Dalits. Not a Muslim man/woman. Sharia law is quite clear about apostasy laws.
22 Islamic countries have Apostasy laws ranging from loss of rights to death penalty. So don't BS us with your nonsense.:mv
 
Not claiming it is all rosy for Christians in India. There is a lot of friction when it comes to conversions. In the recent times there is also opposition to the display of Christian symbols out in the open. They are considered as part of conversion strategy by insecure Hindus.

Let me tell you, real safety is about letting Christians convert others without the fear of getting lynched or where the converted man has to explain himself in the court as to why he is converted. All these superficial photo ops by Pak is not going to fool anyone. You know the reality in Pak. Christians can only convert Hindu Dalits. Not a Muslim man/woman. Sharia law is quite clear about apostasy laws.
22 Islamic countries have Apostasy laws ranging from loss of rights to death penalty. So don't BS us with your nonsense.:mv
Hindu nationalist groups vandalised Christmas decorations in several Indian states after a right-wing organisation urged Hindus to boycott the Christian holiday.



 
Not claiming it is all rosy for Christians in India. There is a lot of friction when it comes to conversions. In the recent times there is also opposition to the display of Christian symbols out in the open. They are considered as part of conversion strategy by insecure Hindus.

Let me tell you, real safety is about letting Christians convert others without the fear of getting lynched or where the converted man has to explain himself in the court as to why he is converted. All these superficial photo ops by Pak is not going to fool anyone. You know the reality in Pak. Christians can only convert Hindu Dalits. Not a Muslim man/woman. Sharia law is quite clear about apostasy laws.
22 Islamic countries have Apostasy laws ranging from loss of rights to death penalty. So don't BS us with your nonsense.:mv
 
Not claiming it is all rosy for Christians in India. There is a lot of friction when it comes to conversions. In the recent times there is also opposition to the display of Christian symbols out in the open. They are considered as part of conversion strategy by insecure Hindus.

Let me tell you, real safety is about letting Christians convert others without the fear of getting lynched or where the converted man has to explain himself in the court as to why he is converted. All these superficial photo ops by Pak is not going to fool anyone. You know the reality in Pak. Christians can only convert Hindu Dalits. Not a Muslim man/woman. Sharia law is quite clear about apostasy laws.
22 Islamic countries have Apostasy laws ranging from loss of rights to death penalty. So don't BS us with your nonsense.:mv
 
Not claiming it is all rosy for Christians in India. There is a lot of friction when it comes to conversions. In the recent times there is also opposition to the display of Christian symbols out in the open. They are considered as part of conversion strategy by insecure Hindus.

Let me tell you, real safety is about letting Christians convert others without the fear of getting lynched or where the converted man has to explain himself in the court as to why he is converted. All these superficial photo ops by Pak is not going to fool anyone. You know the reality in Pak. Christians can only convert Hindu Dalits. Not a Muslim man/woman. Sharia law is quite clear about apostasy laws.
22 Islamic countries have Apostasy laws ranging from loss of rights to death penalty. So don't BS us with your nonsense.:mv
youtube.com/watch?v=jFXPjuX92BI&pp=ygUPaW5kaWEgY2hyaXN0bWFz
 
Not claiming it is all rosy for Christians in India. There is a lot of friction when it comes to conversions. In the recent times there is also opposition to the display of Christian symbols out in the open. They are considered as part of conversion strategy by insecure Hindus.

Let me tell you, real safety is about letting Christians convert others without the fear of getting lynched or where the converted man has to explain himself in the court as to why he is converted. All these superficial photo ops by Pak is not going to fool anyone. You know the reality in Pak. Christians can only convert Hindu Dalits. Not a Muslim man/woman. Sharia law is quite clear about apostasy laws.
22 Islamic countries have Apostasy laws ranging from loss of rights to death penalty. So don't BS us with your nonsense.:mv
 
Not claiming it is all rosy for Christians in India. There is a lot of friction when it comes to conversions. In the recent times there is also opposition to the display of Christian symbols out in the open. They are considered as part of conversion strategy by insecure Hindus.

Let me tell you, real safety is about letting Christians convert others without the fear of getting lynched or where the converted man has to explain himself in the court as to why he is converted. All these superficial photo ops by Pak is not going to fool anyone. You know the reality in Pak. Christians can only convert Hindu Dalits. Not a Muslim man/woman. Sharia law is quite clear about apostasy laws.
22 Islamic countries have Apostasy laws ranging from loss of rights to death penalty. So don't BS us with your nonsense.:mv
youtube.com/watch?v=7yuFsLbT6dg&pp=ygUPaW5kaWEgY2hyaXN0bWFz
 
Not claiming it is all rosy for Christians in India. There is a lot of friction when it comes to conversions. In the recent times there is also opposition to the display of Christian symbols out in the open. They are considered as part of conversion strategy by insecure Hindus.

Let me tell you, real safety is about letting Christians convert others without the fear of getting lynched or where the converted man has to explain himself in the court as to why he is converted. All these superficial photo ops by Pak is not going to fool anyone. You know the reality in Pak. Christians can only convert Hindu Dalits. Not a Muslim man/woman. Sharia law is quite clear about apostasy laws.
22 Islamic countries have Apostasy laws ranging from loss of rights to death penalty. So don't BS us with your nonsense.:mv
 
Not at pm house. But actually going to a church and paying respects to Jesus and mother Mary.
Every clown gives a speech. Reality matters when you have to be inside a church and pay respects to Jesus there.

Your religion calls Jesus a serif Allah. A blasphemy to a Christian’s ears. :mv

Why Is Christmas Being Opposed in India? | Jist​





@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @RexRex @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @rpant_gabba, @Romali_rotti @kron @globetrotter


#FreeMinoritiesOfIndia

#SaveIndianMinorities

#SanctionIndia
 
India should be sanctioned and boycotted for failing to protect minorities.

#SaveIndianMinorities
#MinorityGenocideInIndia
Sanctioned and boycotted by who? Not even your BD can do that.
Mushfiqs need to know their place. Can’t fight, can’t put sanctions, can’t enforce blockade… but wants other nations to carry on his wet dreams about India getting destroyed. :mv
 
First worry about why your religion calls Christian God a servant of your God Allah. And you blare it out in speakers for the whole world to hear. :dw

And you have the nerve to talk about intolerance in India. :mv
 
Not claiming it is all rosy for Christians in India. There is a lot of friction when it comes to conversions. In the recent times there is also opposition to the display of Christian symbols out in the open. They are considered as part of conversion strategy by insecure Hindus.

Let me tell you, real safety is about letting Christians convert others without the fear of getting lynched or where the converted man has to explain himself in the court as to why he is converted. All these superficial photo ops by Pak is not going to fool anyone. You know the reality in Pak. Christians can only convert Hindu Dalits. Not a Muslim man/woman. Sharia law is quite clear about apostasy laws.
22 Islamic countries have Apostasy laws ranging from loss of rights to death penalty. So don't BS us with your nonsense.:mv

I think you should exit the thread quietly



 
First worry about why your religion calls Christian God a servant of your God Allah. And you blare it out in speakers for the whole world to hear. :dw

And you have the nerve to talk about intolerance in India. :mv
see you know nothing about christianity / or catholicism:





 
@Champ_Pal, take a break bro, you’re not from Brussels.

According to you, pointing at Islamists magically gives Hindutva a hall pass. Like, see, they exist, so ignore us and focus only over there.

That’s not an argument, that’s hiding behind someone else’s mess and calling it logic.

At this point, the internet might need a short break from you too.
 
Nobody cares what your religion says about Christianity.

The question is, is it okay for Islamic God to call the Christian God his faithful servant? :dw Answer this and don’t side step.
It is certainly not Okay for you to pretend to be atheist while supporting Hindutva bigots. You do not need to answer, you have already shown it.
 
Its ironic that in Pakistan they are giving Holy Bible where as in Bradford Christmas Tree is named as Multicultural tree


:klopp
and, wheres the proof that muslims did this???

cmon show us the proof


and how is that tree have any reference to Christmas:

Origins of the Christmas Tree​



The History of Christmas (Religious & Pagan Origins)​


Origins of Christmas | History​



ALLAH is GOD of JESUS | Hashim

full video of above:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg_5FuZMgWg



Now go back to sleep, because you cant read nor understand:

@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @RexRex @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @rpant_gabba, @Romali_rotti @kron @globetrotter


#FreeMinoritiesOfIndia

#SaveIndianMinorities

#SanctionIndia
 
@Champ_Pal, take a break bro, you’re not from Brussels.

According to you, pointing at Islamists magically gives Hindutva a hall pass. Like, see, they exist, so ignore us and focus only over there.

That’s not an argument, that’s hiding behind someone else’s mess and calling it logic.

At this point, the internet might need a short break from you too.
Typical Islamist logic. You are not from Brussels. So ignore and move on.
:mv


Nah. I don’t believe in giving a pass to Hindu mobs. I call their deeds pathetic. Looks like when I pointed out what Islamists do, you got your salwars in a twist.
:dw

It is an argument. You guys conveniently forget what Islamists do all over the world. Worst, these Islamists go to Christian nations as refugees with a begging bowl and then get offended by the Christian culture there. Talk about stupidity. :mv
 
Typical Islamist logic. You are not from Brussels. So ignore and move on.
:mv


Nah. I don’t believe in giving a pass to Hindu mobs. I call their deeds pathetic. Looks like when I pointed out what Islamists do, you got your salwars in a twist.
:dw

It is an argument. You guys conveniently forget what Islamists do all over the world. Worst, these Islamists go to Christian nations as refugees with a begging bowl and then get offended by the Christian culture there. Talk about stupidity. :mv
No! post it, i am 100% with you.

You post every intolerant Muslims acting like Hindutva and I will condemn it.

Tag me if for some reason I miss it.

Now condemn @uppercut for supporting to slaughter humans over a cow.

Also every Hindutva elected leader who support the same.

Good luck.
 
It is certainly not Okay for you to pretend to be atheist while supporting Hindutva bigots. You do not need to answer, you have already shown it.
I don’t support bigotry. I am an atheist. I call all gods bogus man made imaginary friends.

At least I don’t go to Christian countries and whine why they are celebrating Xmas and burn down their celebrations. :mv
 
I don’t support bigotry. I am an atheist. I call all gods bogus man made imaginary friends.

At least I don’t go to Christian countries and whine why they are celebrating Xmas and burn down their celebrations. :mv
No, you’re upset because ordinary people who aren’t extremists are calling out Hindutva for disrespecting the Christian community, so you immediately fall back on classic whataboutism. That reflex doesn’t exactly scream “atheist”, it screams damage control.
 
No, you’re upset because ordinary people who aren’t extremists are calling out Hindutva for disrespecting the Christian community, so you immediately fall back on classic whataboutism. That reflex doesn’t exactly scream “atheist”, it screams damage control.
Damage control is what your ilk are doing these days.
You guys know Pak is not safe for minorities. So opening threads about India left and right and posting stuff so that you can feel better about yourself and your country.
 
No, you’re upset because ordinary people who aren’t extremists are calling out Hindutva for disrespecting the Christian community, so you immediately fall back on classic whataboutism. That reflex doesn’t exactly scream “atheist”, it screams damage control.

They more these sanghis write and do whataboutery, the stupider they appear. :qdkcheeky

They are making fools out of themselves.
 
No! post it, i am 100% with you.

You post every intolerant Muslims acting like Hindutva and I will condemn it.

Tag me if for some reason I miss it.

Now condemn @uppercut for supporting to slaughter humans over a cow.

Also every Hindutva elected leader who support the same.

Good luck.
I condemn Uppercut if he said he will slaughter people over an animal.

I condemn anyone who supports the murder of humans over a cow.

Happy now?

👍
 
Why would I be happy that you’re doing what’s already expected of you as a basic, decent human being?
Don’t side step. You wanted it out of me and I gave it to you. Now you say it was expected. You thought I will support the cow mob lynchers. So now you have nothing to say.:mv
 
Looks like he is tunn today, operating on zero brain cells. :inti
Seriously, they both think they’re “winning” by recycling whataboutism and standard Hindutva talking points, which is exactly what happens when you spend your entire life sealed inside an echo chamber.
 
Don’t side step. You wanted it out of me and I gave it to you. Now you say it was expected. You thought I will support the cow mob lynchers. So now you have nothing to say.:mv
Oh, I have plenty to say, and here’s the obvious part: you support Hindutva extremists, and the “atheist” mask slipped a long time ago. Your hostility toward Muslims is obvious.

What really triggered you was seeing Hindutva treat Christians the same way they treat Muslims. If it had stayed limited to Muslims, you probably would’ve had a much easier time pretending your Hindutva support was just “atheism.”
 
Don’t side step. You wanted it out of me and I gave it to you. Now you say it was expected. You thought I will support the cow mob lynchers. So now you have nothing to say.:mv
Go ahead and explain this to the cow lover from Amreeka, Mr. @uppercut, right here in this thread: :inti

 
and, wheres the proof that muslims did this???

cmon show us the proof


and how is that tree have any reference to Christmas:

Origins of the Christmas Tree​



The History of Christmas (Religious & Pagan Origins)​


Origins of Christmas | History​



ALLAH is GOD of JESUS | Hashim

full video of above:



Now go back to sleep, because you cant read nor understand:

@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @RexRex @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @rpant_gabba, @Romali_rotti @kron @globetrotter


#FreeMinoritiesOfIndia

#SaveIndianMinorities

#SanctionIndia
Don’t go into the origins of Christianity. Your own religion has dubious origins.

Absolutely zero proof. Don’t throw stones at others houses when your house is made of glass :mv
 
Go ahead and explain this to the cow lover from Amreeka, Mr. @uppercut, right here in this thread: :inti

He is a looney and a pathetic individual. I don’t support the killing of any human less even over an animal.

You need to find better material if you want to trap me. :mv
 
Nobody cares what your religion says about Christianity.

The question is, is it okay for Islamic God to call the Christian God his faithful servant? :dw Answer this and don’t side step.
your a athiest

why would a christian be angry with what i believe compared to you???

jesus spoke Aramaic = in aramaic = word for god is Allaha, as a clown that your are, you really dont know anything know do you.



Try to make some sense - pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssseeeeeeeeeee
 
Oh, I have plenty to say, and here’s the obvious part: you support Hindutva extremists, and the “atheist” mask slipped a long time ago. Your hostility toward Muslims is obvious.

What really triggered you was seeing Hindutva treat Christians the same way they treat Muslims. If it had stayed limited to Muslims, you probably would’ve had a much easier time pretending your Hindutva support was just “atheism.”
He is not a real atheist, he is just wearing that mask to rant about Islam. A true atheist usually critiques the religion they were born into, like Javed Akhtar does. But Champu is a different breed. He has nothing to say about Hindu gods or why he even became an atheist. Surely he must have seen something that crushed his faith, right? Instead, he protects Hinduism while posing as an atheist, exposing his ugly face for everyone to see. :inti
 
Oh, I have plenty to say, and here’s the obvious part: you support Hindutva extremists, and the “atheist” mask slipped a long time ago. Your hostility toward Muslims is obvious.

What really triggered you was seeing Hindutva treat Christians the same way they treat Muslims. If it had stayed limited to Muslims, you probably would’ve had a much easier time pretending your Hindutva support was just “atheism.”
But who are you to make these claims while sitting comfortably in America? You don’t live in India, do you?

If we’re serious about facts, then let’s do it properly. We don’t need armchair narratives. We need Indian Christians and Indian Muslims to validate what’s being claimed.

We already heard from @Hitman , an Indian Christian, and his views were crystal clear. You can just as easily ask an Indian Muslim like @Bhaag Viru Bhaag about his lived experience in India. If he says he’s facing discrimination or hardship because of his faith, I’ll leave this thread permanently.

Until then, let’s be honest - Pakistanis sitting abroad or Indian Hindus like me cannot speak on their behalf.

I’ve been asking this for a long time - if the concern is genuinely about Indian minorities, then why this constant reluctance to hear directly from Indian minorities who are actually present on this forum?

If reality doesn’t match the narrative, silencing first hand voices won’t change the truth.
 
He is not a real atheist, he is just wearing that mask to rant about Islam. A true atheist usually critiques the religion they were born into, like Javed Akhtar does. But Champu is a different breed. He has nothing to say about Hindu gods or why he even became an atheist. Surely he must have seen something that crushed his faith, right? Instead, he protects Hinduism while posing as an atheist, exposing his ugly face for everyone to see. :inti
He has exposed his true face long time ago.
 
He is a looney and a pathetic individual. I don’t support the killing of any human less even over an animal.

You need to find better material if you want to trap me. :mv
Make sure you tag @uppercut and call him a 'looney' so he knows exactly what you think of him. Or are you too scared to do that because he is the only one who likes your stupid posts? :yk :inti
 
But who are you to make these claims while sitting comfortably in America? You don’t live in India, do you?

If we’re serious about facts, then let’s do it properly. We don’t need armchair narratives. We need Indian Christians and Indian Muslims to validate what’s being claimed.

We already heard from @Hitman , an Indian Christian, and his views were crystal clear. You can just as easily ask an Indian Muslim like @Bhaag Viru Bhaag about his lived experience in India. If he says he’s facing discrimination or hardship because of his faith, I’ll leave this thread permanently.

Until then, let’s be honest - Pakistanis sitting abroad or Indian Hindus like me cannot speak on their behalf.

I’ve been asking this for a long time - if the concern is genuinely about Indian minorities, then why this constant reluctance to hear directly from Indian minorities who are actually present on this forum?

If reality doesn’t match the narrative, silencing first hand voices won’t change the truth.
The videos aren’t doctored, the only thing being manipulated here is your denial.
 
Never, he is back to 'whataboutism', the Hindutva cult has to feel justified for their inherited bigotry.

Oldest trick of every bigot.
i know you didnt,

this hinduvta, one day he pretends he is a hindu aka hinduvta, next day he is a christian, next day he is a athiest.





cmon @Champ_Pal keep on topic, you havent responded to any of the videos i posted nor has @Rajdeep the clown
 
your a athiest

why would a christian be angry with what i believe compared to you???

jesus spoke Aramaic = in aramaic = word for god is Allaha, as a clown that your are, you really dont know anything know do you.



Try to make some sense - pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssseeeeeeeeeee
I don’t give 2 hoots about religion.

But when I see hypocrisy, I call it out.

I don’t care what god is called in Aramaic. Why would the Christian God Jesus be a servant of Allah? God can’t be servant to God.

Imagine if some calls Islamic God the same. There will be riots everywhere and blood in the streets. :mv
 
@Champ_Pal, take a break bro, you’re not from Brussels.

According to you, pointing at Islamists magically gives Hindutva a hall pass. Like, see, they exist, so ignore us and focus only over there.

That’s not an argument, that’s hiding behind someone else’s mess and calling it logic.

At this point, the internet might need a short break from you too.

Their meltdowns have been comical.

They think they are convincing others with their nonsense. In reality, they are simply being a bunch of stupid morons.

I guess sanghis are low-IQ like that. :qdkcheeky
 
The videos aren’t doctored, the only thing being manipulated here is your denial.
Yeah couple of videos in a country of 1.5 billion.

What happen? Do you want to ask Indian minorities about their troubled life back home?

Wonder why everyone run away from this simple question?

#NoHimmat?

:klopp
 
I don’t know what he posted. Show me the evidence where he called for killing of Muslims over cowwww:mv
Read this entire thread. Forget the killing of Muslims over cows, you can read plenty in that thread but in one of his posts quoting @HalBass9, he went so far as to say that anyone who criticises Hindu beliefs should be slaughtered. Absolutely unhinged. You will be the first one to get slaughtered by @uppercut because you called Hindu gods as bogus. :inti

 
But who are you to make these claims while sitting comfortably in America? You don’t live in India, do you?

If we’re serious about facts, then let’s do it properly. We don’t need armchair narratives. We need Indian Christians and Indian Muslims to validate what’s being claimed.

We already heard from @Hitman , an Indian Christian, and his views were crystal clear. You can just as easily ask an Indian Muslim like @Bhaag Viru Bhaag about his lived experience in India. If he says he’s facing discrimination or hardship because of his faith, I’ll leave this thread permanently.

Until then, let’s be honest - Pakistanis sitting abroad or Indian Hindus like me cannot speak on their behalf.

I’ve been asking this for a long time - if the concern is genuinely about Indian minorities, then why this constant reluctance to hear directly from Indian minorities who are actually present on this forum?

If reality doesn’t match the narrative, silencing first hand voices won’t change the truth.
rajdeep, we have linked many articles showing that all minorities in India live in fear, heres is another one:

Indian Christians facing increasing violence and hostility, advocacy groups report​




CHRISTIANS across India face rising levels of violence, social hostility, and legal scrutiny, advocacy groups report. Attacks on Christians have become near-daily this year. These affect families, pastors, and small congregations across several states.

The Evangelical Fellowship of India’s Religious Liberty Commission (EFIRLC) recorded 334 verified cases of violence, harassment, and discrimination between January and July 2025.

The United Christian Forum (UCF), which operates a national helpline, reported 579 cases by September. These included physical assaults during worship, vandalism of churches, and arrests under state-level “Freedom of Religion” Acts that regulate religious conversions.

In states such as Uttar Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, both governed by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), such laws have become central to the issue. While presented as measures against forced conversions, they are, activists say, used to target ordinary Christians and pastors.

Accusations alone are often enough to occasion arrests or mob violence.

In Bastar, Chhattisgarh, Pastor Samuel Masih described an attack in July when more than 60 people entered his home after a Sunday service. “They pulled people outside and accused us of converting villagers,” he said. Six pastors were later detained under conversion charges. “We spent days in custody before being released. There was no evidence against us.”

Converts from Dalit and tribal backgrounds reportedly face the harshest treatment. Sunita Toppo, a resident of northern Chhattisgarh, said that her family was evicted from their village after they adopted Christianity. “We were denied water and daily work,” she said. “Our children were told not to come to school.”

Reports from UCF and the Evangelical Fellowship of India’s Religious Liberty Commission describe a pattern in which community pressure forces many converts into ghar wapsi, or re-conversion to Hinduism. Public ceremonies are sometimes held, while those refusing face social exclusion or violence.

The fear has spread to Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, and Odisha, where pastors report constant monitoring by local groups. Small prayer meetings or charity events can lead to police questioning. “We keep services short and avoid singing loudly,” a pastor from eastern Uttar Pradesh said. “Anything can be misinterpreted.”

Community leaders say that they are discouraged from running education projects traditionally overseen by churches, especially in rural areas. “We used to organise health camps and literacy drives,” a worker with a Christian charity in Jharkhand said. “Now, every activity is viewed with suspicion.”

In Manipur, two years after ethnic clashes between the Meitei and Kuki communities left more than 250 dead and 60,000 displaced, Christians continue to live amid deep divisions. Hundreds of churches destroyed in 2023 remain unrepaired. Pastors say that worship has shifted to private homes, and many families have yet to return to their villages.

Despite limited resources, Christian networks continue to provide legal aid and document abuses.

The UCF helpline receives dozens of distress calls weekly, its coordinators report. “We guide victims on how to file police complaints and arrange legal representation,” said one based in Delhi. “Many fear going to the police directly.”

The US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) this year again designated India as a “Country of Particular Concern”, citing systematic violations of religious freedom. The Indian government rejected the report, calling it inaccurate.

For those on the ground, the debate offers little relief. A pastor in Uttar Pradesh said his congregation now met in secret. “We lock the doors and pray quietly,” he said. “People are scared, but still come. It is their only moment of peace.”


Lets hear the excuses now dodgy indians, - you have asked for people in india views - yet all the video and articles we have posted are from the minorities in india, yet what daft comments are you going to say next = that thr all fake :rolleyes:


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Sanghis are trying to derail this thread. Let's return to posting evidences of Christian persecutions in India. :inti

SFJ leader condemns Christmas attacks on Christians in India​


Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, general counsel of the pro-Khalistan group Sikhs for Justice (SFJ), has condemned attacks on Christians in India that he said took place on Christmas Day, describing them as part of a broader pattern of religious persecution under the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Source: https://dailytimes.com.pk/1424547/sfj-leader-condemns-christmas-attacks-on-christians-in-india/.

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Read this entire thread. Forget the killing of Muslims over cows, you can read plenty in that thread but in one of his posts quoting @HalBass9, he went so far as to say that anyone who criticises Hindu beliefs should be slaughtered. Absolutely unhinged. You will be the first one to get slaughtered by @uppercut because you called Hindu gods as bogus. :inti

Post the relevant quote with the link to the page. I am not going to read everything to find the tidbit you are mentioning:mv
 
Yeah couple of videos in a country of 1.5 billion.

What happen? Do you want to ask Indian minorities about their troubled life back home?

Wonder why everyone run away from this simple question?

#NoHimmat?

:klopp
so you want everyone in india to add thr opinion on a video for you, half off your country cant afford to do this


also why dont you use this so called logic - when your posting about muslims = ooooooooooooooooooo yeh, its not you whos biased, its us
 

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Christmas under strain: Attacks on Christians and BJP’s double game​

These recent attacks are part of a long-term trend of rising harassment and violence against Christians in India.​


Synopsis: Political leaders in Kerala — from both LDF and UDF — have accused BJP leaders of hypocrisy and questioned their moral standing when they “celebrate Christmas in Kerala but ignore communal violence elsewhere.”

A spate of incidents affecting Christmas celebrations in different parts of the country has brought political focus on the BJP’s approach towards Christian communities, which conflicts with its outreach programmes in Kerala.

As reports of harassment of carol groups, intimidation near churches, and disruptions of prayer meetings emerged during the Christmas season, political attention has turned to whether the ruling party’s response has been consistent across regions.

Wave of attacks​

Multiple news reports in December document a surge in anti-Christian attacks. The reports spoke of Sangh Parivar-linked vigilante groups disrupting church services and targeting Christmas decorations and celebrations in several states.

  • In Jabalpur (Madhya Pradesh), two separate attacks targeted Christian prayer meetings.
  • In Palakkad, Kerala, a Christmas carol group was assaulted, allegedly by a local RSS affiliate, an incident that sparked widespread condemnation.
  • A historic church in Hisar (Haryana) saw heavy police deployment after right-wing groups planned disruptive religious events around Christmas.
  • In Chhattisgarh, Bajrang Dal and other right-wing groups vandalised Christmas decorations at Raipur’s Magneto Mall.
Church leaders, including bishops, publicly decried the violence and urged authorities to protect the believers. Opposition leaders accused the central government and home ministry of failing to safeguard minorities, and highlighted more than 1,500 documented anti-Christian attacks in 2024–25.

Also Read:​

A decade of rising violence​

These recent attacks are part of a long-term trend of rising harassment and violence against Christians in India.

  • Between 2014 and 2024, more than 4,000 incidents of violence, intimidation and discrimination against Christians were recorded, with annual attacks rising sharply over the decade.
  • In 2025 alone, reports documented 334 verified incidents of targeted violence in just the first half of the year, with Uttar Pradesh and Chhattisgarh among the worst-affected states.
  • These trends have alarmed Christian advocacy groups and human-rights monitors, who warn that daily attacks have become routine in many areas.

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From the past​

The attacks are not confined to recent years. It should be viewed from a historical perspective:

  • In January 1999, Australian missionary Rev. Graham Staines and his two young sons were burned alive by a mob in Odisha, a crime that shocked the nation and drew global condemnation.
  • In late 1990s and early 2000s, anti-Christian violence erupted in multiple regions, including the Ranalai attacks in Odisha (where Christian homes were burned and looted) and sustained assaults on Christian prayer halls in Gujarat and Karnataka.
  • The Kandhamal district saw extensive anti-Christian violence in 2007 and 2008, with churches and homes destroyed and thousands displaced.
These events, and others documented by independent human-rights observers, illustrate that religiously motivated violence against Christians has a deep and painful history in India.

BJP’s ‘double game’​

Amid this background, the BJP’s political approach toward Christian communities appears deeply contradictory:

  1. Outreach and elections in Kerala
Kerala, home to one of India’s largest Christian populations, has become a target of BJP outreach:

  • The BJP won its first Lok Sabha seat in Kerala from Thrissur in 2024, with actor-MP Suresh Gopi emerging as a prominent face. His campaign involved explicit appeals to Christian voters.
  • The party has deliberately projected Christian leaders and faces, such as George Kurian, in its state leadership and ministerial allocations to signal inclusive politics.
  • BJP national leaders, including Narendra Modi, have personally campaigned in Christian-majority areas, celebrating local festivals and church events.
However, the electoral payoff has been mixed: recent local elections showed losses in several Christian-dominant wards, with party analysts attributing this partly to community opposition to anti-Christian incidents elsewhere in India.

  1. Silence and Political Convenience
While courting Christians in Kerala, some BJP leaders have been notably silent about violent attacks on Christians in other states:

  • Kerala politicians from Opposition parties explicitly questioned why central BJP figures like Suresh Gopi and George Kurian remained silent on the arrest and harassment of two nuns in Chhattisgarh, a high-profile persecution case that drew national protests.
  • Local church bodies and civic associations condemned the silence of Kerala-based BJP ministers when violence affected Christian clergy and laypersons outside the state.
  • Kerala BJP president Rajeev Chandrasekhar has largely avoided direct condemnation of anti-Christian attacks nationally, instead focusing on internal Kerala politics and disputes with opposition parties prompting critics to accuse the party of selective outrage.
This contrast — Kerala vs inaction on national violence — feeds accusations that the BJP deploys religious identity politics to extract electoral gain while tolerating or downplaying violence elsewhere.

Communal politics and Muslim narrative​

Senior Congress leaders in Kerala have accused the BJP of deliberately pushing an anti-Muslim narrative to make electoral inroads among Christians in the state.

Leader of the Opposition VD Satheesan said the BJP was attempting to “repackage communal politics” by sowing mistrust between minorities instead of addressing real concerns of safety and constitutional rights.

“Christians are being told to see Muslims as the problem, while the same BJP remains silent when Christians are attacked in north Indian states,” he said, calling it a calculated strategy to fracture Kerala’s social harmony for votes.

Other Congress leaders echoed the charge, arguing that the BJP’s outreach to Christians is not about protection or inclusion, but about isolating communities politically and weakening Kerala’s long-standing tradition of interfaith solidarity for short-term electoral gain.

Where is the condemnation?​

Opposition leaders have raised a direct question:

If the BJP’s Christian outreach is sincere, why is there no unequivocal condemnation when Christians are attacked in BJP-ruled states?

“The Prime Minister can send greetings and attend Christmas events, but what message goes out when attacks on Christians continue without accountability?” asked a senior Opposition leader, adding that symbolic gestures cannot substitute constitutional responsibility.

Another Opposition spokesperson remarked, “You cannot celebrate Christmas with one hand and look away when churches are attacked with the other.”

Voices from the ground​

Church leaders and civil society have responded with increasing alarm:

  • The Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India and local church bodies have formally condemned attacks and demanded state intervention.
  • Protests and rallies by Christian groups in Delhi and Kerala have called attention to rising violence and constitutional violations.
At the same time, political leaders in Kerala from both LDF and UDF have accused BJP leaders of hypocrisy and questioned their moral standing when they “celebrate Christmas in Kerala but ignore communal violence elsewhere.”

Christians at a crossroads​

The experience of Christians in India today stands at a crossroads of festive faith and political fracture. As Christmas 2025 unfolded, it exposed not just violence and intimidation, but also the contradictions in political engagement where symbolic outreach exists alongside a broader climate of communal tension.

The contrast between local bows and national silences raises urgent questions about India’s constitutional commitment to pluralism, equal citizenship, and the true meaning of secular democracy.

(Vijay Thottathil is a social media influencer and Indian National Congress worker. He is also President, INCAS-Dubai, Kozhikode District Committee. Views are personal. Edited by Majnu Babu).

Source: https://thesouthfirst.com/opinion/christmas-under-strain-attacks-on-christians-and-bjps-double-game/.

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Opinion: Attacks on Christians by vigilante groups betray India's pluralist spirit​


In this opinion piece, an Unidentified speaker condemns the rising attacks on Christian groups in India, particularly in tribal areas, by 'self-styled Hindu vigilante groups' like the VHP and Bajrang Dal. The speaker argues that targeting a 'minority within a minority' exposes a bigoted mindset and criticizes the 'complicit bystanders' in law enforcement. Highlighting the festive spirit of Christmas, the speaker calls for the Modi government to translate its slogan of 'Sabka Saath, Sabka Vikas' into reality by prosecuting hate speech. The commentary concludes with a personal pledge to celebrate Christmas and a call for citizens to break their silence on such violence.

Source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...s-betray-india-s-pluralist-spirit/vi-AA1SUD1e.

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I don’t give 2 hoots about religion.

But when I see hypocrisy, I call it out.

I don’t care what god is called in Aramaic. Why would the Christian God Jesus be a servant of Allah? God can’t be servant to God.

Imagine if some calls Islamic God the same. There will be riots everywhere and blood in the streets. :mv
champ - bold part is what we (Muslims) say to christians - we use that argument to prove that the trilogy makes no sense - ive even added the above videos to help you out - my post 191

your being a complete fool, muslims dont believe the above bolded part you stated, thats christians/catholics....


stop being a clown


yet yesterday when you posted all that rubbish from those X / Twitter accounts - you shared avideo of that arab/ palestinian mayor and said repect the religion of the land you live in........ and i educated your a55 saying american constitution doesnt have christian laws in its constitution = yet you havent even replied back = cuz your thick ... and now today your trying to say you dont care for christianity = make your mind up,

your iq is very low
 
champ - bold part is what we (Muslims) say to christians - we use that argument to prove that the trilogy makes no sense - ive even added the above videos to help you out - my post 191

your being a complete fool, muslims dont believe the above bolded part you stated, thats christians/catholics....


stop being a clown


yet yesterday when you posted all that rubbish from those X / Twitter accounts - you shared avideo of that arab/ palestinian mayor and said repect the religion of the land you live in........ and i educated your a55 saying american constitution doesnt have christian laws in its constitution = yet you havent even replied back = cuz your thick ... and now today your trying to say you dont care for christianity = make your mind up,

your iq is very low
You can argue that one’s religion does not make sense.

But calling Jesus who is a God for Christian’s as. Servant of Islamic God is ok for you?

If a new religion comes and does the same to Islamic God and blares it through loud speakers several times a day, will Muslims accept it and move on? I don’t think so :mv
 
champ - bold part is what we (Muslims) say to christians - we use that argument to prove that the trilogy makes no sense - ive even added the above videos to help you out - my post 191

your being a complete fool, muslims dont believe the above bolded part you stated, thats christians/catholics....


stop being a clown


yet yesterday when you posted all that rubbish from those X / Twitter accounts - you shared avideo of that arab/ palestinian mayor and said repect the religion of the land you live in........ and i educated your a55 saying american constitution doesnt have christian laws in its constitution = yet you havent even replied back = cuz your thick ... and now today your trying to say you dont care for christianity = make your mind up,

your iq is very low

I honestly don't know what he is trying to accomplish here. He is wasting his holidays by making a complete fool out of himself. Very sad. :inti
 
so you want everyone in india to add thr opinion on a video for you, half off your country cant afford to do this


also why dont you use this so called logic - when your posting about muslims = ooooooooooooooooooo yeh, its not you whos biased, its us
Not everyone, but at the very least, shouldn’t we get the perspective of the very people being discussed? That seems like a basic starting point.

So let me ask plainly - under what authority are you speaking for Indian minorities and drawing sweeping conclusions? I’m fairly certain you’ve never lived in India. All I’m asking is simple — verify these claims with Indian minority posters who are actually present on this forum.

If they agree with you, discussion over. Full stop.

I genuinely don’t understand why something this straightforward is being made to look so difficult. In fact, I’m happy to hand you a list of posters you can tag who could help clarify this directly.

And before this gets twisted — no, I’m not denying those videos exist. In a country of 1.5 billion people, you’ll find such clips every single day. I can open Twitter right now and pull out ten similar videos from Pakistan or Pakistanis in the UK. I have an entire encyclopaedia exposing the shinning lights of sub continent. But that will not serve the purpose

I know @sweep_shot and you are on a troll mission but you are dealing with a highly intellectual poster from whom nothing is hidden.

:kp

 
Not everyone, but at the very least, shouldn’t we get the perspective of the very people being discussed? That seems like a basic starting point.

So let me ask plainly - under what authority are you speaking for Indian minorities and drawing sweeping conclusions? I’m fairly certain you’ve never lived in India. All I’m asking is simple — verify these claims with Indian minority posters who are actually present on this forum.

If they agree with you, discussion over. Full stop.

I genuinely don’t understand why something this straightforward is being made to look so difficult. In fact, I’m happy to hand you a list of posters you can tag who could help clarify this directly.

And before this gets twisted — no, I’m not denying those videos exist. In a country of 1.5 billion people, you’ll find such clips every single day. I can open Twitter right now and pull out ten similar videos from Pakistan or Pakistanis in the UK. I have an entire encyclopaedia exposing the shinning lights of sub continent. But that will not serve the purpose

I know @sweep_shot and you are on a troll mission but you are dealing with a highly intellectual poster from whom nothing is hidden.

:kp

This is argument has broken down now . Hindu extremists are on an anti Christmas rampage in India across more than a dozen cities or towns , likely more . media is accepting this . Maybe you should return to India to help Christians?


 
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