Hitler’s Hindus: The Rise and Rise of India’s Nazi-loving Nationalists

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Indians care to comment?...is this phenomena widespread?...

Particularly worrying is how it has entered the education system...and some interesting quotes supporting Hitler during the war and suggesting his ideas were good pre-partition...

July 2008. I was on a cycling expedition, from the southernmost tip of India to its most northern state. Along the way, I took a pit stop at Nagpur, the geographic center of India and the epicenter of Hindu nationalism. There, I saw a building with a bizarre name: "Hitlers Den." A pool parlor, its walls were emblazoned with tacky Nazi insignia, and on its shopfront – a swastika on full public display.

The swastika is not an unusual symbol in India. It’s ubiquitous. Markets, shops, homes, temples, vehicles, notebooks, property documents and even shaved heads are smeared with vermilion or turmeric swastikas, often with the words "Shubh Labh," meaning "good fortune."

But this was most definitely Hitler’s Nazi swastika - a tilted version of the Hindu swastika on a black background. This blatant display of Nazi symbolism was odd. What was "Hitler’s Den" doing in the middle of Nagpur? I wondered. I brushed it off as stupidity and cycled on.

Ironically, Hitler – the genocidal maniac who murdered more than six million Jews, who propagated a Nazi ideology that promoted hatred, Aryan racial puritanism and white supremacy – continues to find many followers in India, a nation of predominantly brown-skinned people.

Here, Hitler’s brand of fascism has taken on a distinctly Indian flavour, authenticated with a combination of ethnic hatred and Hindu nationalism, in stark contrast to the principles of ahimsa (non-violence) that accompanied India's freedom struggle.

Recently, browsing through Facebook threw up an eerie shock. "Hari Om Heil Hitler," said a post next to an image of a young Hitler, followed by a paean to Aryan values. The cover picture read, "Aum, Hail Aryan, Hail Aryavart," meaning "Hail Aryans, Hail Land of the Aryans." On display is his German screen name – "Kemradschaft Jeet."

His feed is full of Nazi insignia with images of Hitler and graphics of Vishnu, a Hindu god known for several reincarnations. "Adolf Hitler, the ultimate avatar," said one image. "India’s Swastika God," said another. Their posts reflect an oft-repeated theory in neo-Nazi web forums, that Hitler was a reincarnation of Vishnu.

Vile anti-Semitic obloquy accompanied it: "Germany is now a Rabbit under the shelter of Jewish Finance," "With the Hollywood movie industry and the majority of U.S. television networks, newspapers and publishing houses Jewish-owned, for nearly 70 years, the demonization of Adolf Hitler has been almost relentless."

His friends comment in chorus: "Jai Shree Ram, Heil Hitler" ("Hail Shree Ram, Heil Hitler"), "Nazi the great," "Hitler was supporter of Indian Nationalist." Many of them shared a YouTube video with over 100,000 hits, entitled "Adolf Hitler, The Greatest Story Never Told," alongside the salutation "Jai Hind" ("Victory to India," an independence-era slogan.)

These posts are a putrid mix of anti-Semitic racism, misogyny and extreme Hindu nationalism. Evoking the widely held myth of Aryan racial superiority (appropriated to refer to "Aryan" Indians) and the Nazi propaganda of the "sacralization of terror, embodied in the Kshatriya code and the Bhagavad-Gita," these posts reflect the belief that Hitler was born to end Kali Yuga, the dark age of Hindu mythology.

As one post reads: "If we go to North East [of India] we find mixed races of Mongoloids and many more cases where pure Aryan bloodline was lost."

Digging into social media reveals that there is a large and growing community of Indian Hindu Nazis, who are digitally connected to neo-Nazi counterparts across the world.

Other social media sites and online platforms too had their share of strange, yet fanatical admiration for Hitler, reframed with Hindu nationalism. "Hitler was great," said "Hindu Hitler" on rediff.com, a popular Indian web portal. "I too love Hitler and am one of his biggest fans! Hail Hitler!" said one comment on a YouTube channel run by NewsX, a 24-hour English-language news television channel in India. I also found India-based WhatsApp groups discussing Hitler’s "positive contributions." They portrayed him as Germany’s great leader, a "patriotic nationalist," who "punished the "traitors."

This strange adulation for Hitler has already gone beyond social media and entered our educational system. Schools across India have, wittingly or not, propagated Hitler’s "achievements."

In 2004, when now-Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was the Chief Minister of Gujarat, school textbooks published by the Gujarat State Board portrayed Hitler as a hero, and glorifyied fascism. The tenth-grade social studies textbook had chapters entitled "Hitler, the Supremo," and "Internal Achievements of Nazism." The section on the "Ideology of Nazism" reads:

"Hitler lent dignity and prestige to the German government. He adopted the policy of opposition towards the Jewish people and advocated the supremacy of the German race."

The tenth-grade social studies textbook, published by the state of Tamil Nadu in 2011 (with multiple revised editions until 2017) includes chapters glorifying Hitler, praising his "inspiring leadership," "achievements" and how the Nazis "glorified the German state" so, "to maintain a German race with Nordic elements, [Hitler] ordered the Jews to be persecuted."

In 2012, when tenth-grade students taking French lessons at a private school in Mumbai were asked to complete a sentence starting with “J’admire” followed by the name of the historical figure they admired most, nine out of 25 students picked Hitler. Students in the south Indian city of Madurai justified their admiration for Hitler, without even knowing that he was the leader of Germany.

Mein Kampf has also gone mainstream, becoming a "must-read" management strategy book for India’s business school students. Professors teaching strategy lecture about how a short, depressed man in prison made a goal of taking over the world and built a strategy to achieve it.

This infamous polemic remains a money-spinner for publishers. English-language editions of Mein Kampf are published by a number of reputable Indian publishing houses, such as Jaico, Printline, Indialog, Maple Press, Mastermind, Prakash, Om Books, Rohan, Adarsh, Ajay, Embassy, Lexicon and Wilco. They fill bookshelves at airports, bookstores and online marketplaces, while cheap pirated versions fill pavement stalls in major cities. Crossword, the Indian book-retailing chain, has sold 25,000 copies in three years. Jaico alone sold 100,000 copies in seven years. It has also been translated into multiple Indian languages – Gujarati, Hindi, Malayalam, Bengal and Tamil – and those editions are sold across India.

It is certainly alarming that young people think it’s "cool" to admire a murderous maniac. Is it the result of the naivety of youth, or of a sustained campaign of political patronage by Hindu nationalists?

In casual conversations, a surprising number of well-read, globe-trotting Indians shared a respectful, almost fanatical, admiration for Hitler. "This country needs a dictator like Hitler," is a common trope I have heard from well-educated Indians with degrees from some of the best universities in the world. A poll conducted by the Times of India in 2002 found that 17 percent favored Adolf Hitler as "the kind of leader India ought to have." It is not surprising then, that ice creams, pool parlors, restaurants, clothing stores, home furnishing stores, films and television shows have all chosen to use "Hitler" or "Nazi" as their brand names

Several Indian politicians have built formidable careers evoking Hitler’s ideology and publicly professing their admiration for him. "It is a Hitler that is needed in India today," said Bal Thackeray, the leader of the Hindu extremist outfit Shiv Sena, in 1967.

Known for his exceptional bigotry, xenophobia and hate-mongering, his fascist ideology is eerily similar to, if not an exact replica of, the genocidal Nazi ideology. He has a track record of inciting tensions among Mumbai’s communities, urging Hindus to form suicide squads to kill Muslims. But he hasn't stopped at "tactical" acts of violence: He has created a distinct brand of Hindu fascism which explicitly seeks inspiration in Nazi genocide.

"There is nothing wrong," he said in a chilling interview in 1993 with Time magazine, "if Muslims are treated as Jews were in Nazi Germany." Citing Hitler’s infamous polemic, he tried to apply fascist ideology in the Indian context. “If you take Mein Kampf and if you remove the word 'Jew' and put in the word 'Muslim', that is what I believe in,” he said.

His nephew and political successor, Raj Thackeray, took the baton. Speaking to journalists in 2009, he made this statement: "When it comes to organizational skills, there are few who can rival Hitler ... there are several other things about Hitler, which any leader would envy."

Nagpur, where I saw "Hitlers Den," the pool parlor, has a unique connection to the Nazi leader. Here, he is a great hero for the leaders of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the right-wing Hindu organization headquartered in the city. It’s the group from which current Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and also Nathuram Godse, the man who murdered Mahatma Gandhi, emerged.

VD Savarkar, an extreme Hindu nationalist and early mentor of the RSS, had a great liking for Hitler’s Nazism and supported Hitler’s anti-Jewish pogroms. "There is no reason to suppose that Hitler must be a human monster because he passes off as a Nazi," he said, addressing a Hindu gathering in 1940, adding, "Nazism proved undeniably the savior of Germany." Seeking to purge Muslims from India, he wrote: "If we Hindus in India grow stronger, in time these Muslim friends of the League type will have to play the part of German-Jews instead."

This fanatical admiration for Hitler and his genocidal agenda is not an aberration. It was, and still is, endemic among the RSS leadership. MS Golwalkar, another early RSS leader, also known as the "Guru of Hate," idolized Hitler’s Nazi cultural nationalism, and wanted to create a Hindu nation by adopting Hitler’s totalitarian and fascist pattern. In his 1939 book, We, Our Nationhood Defined, he wrote:

"German race pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up the purity of the race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic Races - the Jews ... a good lesson for us in Hindustan for us to learn and profit by."


This is not a careless, thoughtless evocation, rather a carefully planned political move.

Banned three times and named a terrorist organization, the RSS has now regained political center stage with Modi’s prime ministership. With branches in more than 50,000 villages, there is growing support for a violent, fascist ideology.

A bizarre new strand of Hindu Nazism, particularly among the young, is rearing its ugly head. It’s menacing, to say the least. Its leaders boast of killing India’s minorities and beheading their political opponents, while promoting aggressive Hindu nationalism on narrow religious and ethnic terms.

A growing contempt for India’s minorities manifests itself racist remarks passed with casual insouciance.

It’s not uncommon to hear remarks such as "These bloody Jews/Rothschilds/Soros control the world/financial system/whole of Hollywood." The number of Jews in India is very small. Yet there is, despite a long-held belief to the contrary, anti-Semitism. "These Christian missionaries deserve to be hanged – they are only interested in conversions" is another frequent comment. Only 2.4% of India’s population is Christian. Yet they are constantly attacked. When it comes to India's Muslims, the invective is multiplied exponentially.

How can so many Hindu Indians be convinced that they suffer second-class status in a country where they number almost 82% of the population?

As Khushwanth Singh wrote in 2003, "The juggernaut of Hindu fundamentalism has emerged from the temple of intolerance, and is on its yatra [on the march]. ... The fascist agenda of Hindu fanatics is unlike anything we have experienced in our modern history."

The idea of India is based on the foundations of communal harmony, mutual respect and secular values. Now, it's up to us to ensure our Indian political parties and constituencies don’t hijack Hinduism, a peaceful religion, with a repurposed Nazism that advocates the same genocidal intentions as Hitler, but this time round directed at our own minority communities.

A Fellow at the University of Oxford’s Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism and an alumnus of the London School of Economics, Shrenik Rao is a digital entrepreneur and filmmaker. Rao revived the Madras Courier, a 232-year-old newspaper, as a digital publication of which he is the Editor-in-Chief. Twitter: @ShrenikRao

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I don’t need to read such rubbish articles in India no one cares about Hitler or and most people only know of him as a leader of Germany who started WW.. Most people don’t know of his life and his beliefs.. The poor who constitute high % of our population might not even have heard of him..

There might be few so called next generation Internet kids who use hitlers name to troll online or consider it hip and fashion to wear his swastika symbol on t-shirts however that number is few and even amongst those people many might not even know what his beliefs and ideologies were..

So basically such articles are absolutely rubbish and propaganda based where they coin fancy terms like Hindu nazism and stuff when in reality majority of Hindus have no clue about what exactly nazism ideology was..
 
Hitler ruled and died before current day India came into being.

But you can write any article thanks to the Internet these days.
 
Hitler ruled and died before current day India came into being.

But you can write any article thanks to the Internet these days.

Excellent point. Proves that Indians cannot admire Hitler, as he was long dead before India came into being.
 
Excellent point. Proves that Indians cannot admire Hitler, as he was long dead before India came into being.



Indians are approx 1.3bill majority of Indians don’t admire Hitler/don’t know who he was/don’t know what he stood for/don’t care about him more than just the name Hitler..

Few might admire him but that number is extremely low.. In my 30 years of existence I haven’t met anyone who admire hitler hell I haven’t even met anyone who knows about Hitler more than him being leader of Germany durin WW.. Frankly speaking Hitler today is just a name in India someone like a Saddam or Osama is more known than Hitler..
 
Indians are approx 1.3bill majority of Indians don’t admire Hitler/don’t know who he was/don’t know what he stood for/don’t care about him more than just the name Hitler..

Few might admire him but that number is extremely low.. In my 30 years of existence I haven’t met anyone who admire hitler hell I haven’t even met anyone who knows about Hitler more than him being leader of Germany durin WW.. Frankly speaking Hitler today is just a name in India someone like a Saddam or Osama is more known than Hitler..

So you will wait for the majority of indians to admire Hitler before you take it seriously.

Your circle and your 30 years of existence means zilch. The copies of mein kampf being sold on streets and railway stations states otherwise.
 
So you will wait for the majority of indians to admire Hitler before you take it seriously.

Your circle and your 30 years of existence means zilch. The copies of mein kampf being sold on streets and railway stations states otherwise.
Good point.
 
Godwin law. You hate somebody so much that eventually you will compare them to Hitler. There isnt absolutely no relevance in reality today.
 
So you will wait for the majority of indians to admire Hitler before you take it seriously.

Your circle and your 30 years of existence means zilch. The copies of mein kampf being sold on streets and railway stations states otherwise.

Keep dreaming if you think hitler will ever have any stand in India.. You have no clue about India if you think hitler or his ideology will ever make any impact amongst Indians.. My circle or not truth is ask any Indian about hitler and no one cares about him... Test this on PP if you want..
 
Good point.



It’s a rubbish point hitler will never be relevant in India.. That is the reality, anyone who says otherwise does not know about ground realities in India..

Like many other leaders of past from western world hitler is just another name will never ever be mainstream..
 
The automatic response is to get on the defensive...especially the previous post...the article is written by an Indian...

The article does raise some interesting questions though...which is what I asked...and in response the answers have had emotional rhetoric...

The point about Hitler's relevance today is linked to whether there are any parallels with the idea of the Hindutva movement and an admiration for fascism such as Hitler's...ie not that they are anti-semitic but rather apply similar views towards Muslims and Christians...the RSS quotes from the 40's for instance..ie the view of Hitler as a patriot who fought the British...and also someone who had a 'solution' for the minority 'problem'...

And then whether there is a manifestation of that today...which raised the topic of things like Hitler's representation in textbooks...and the many sales of Mein Kampf...albeit by a minority...this isn't a presumption that Indian kids are being taught genocide is OK...but the above article gives the impression that a highly sanitised version of Hitler is presented...ie 'the patriot' 'the strong leader'...ie except the hardcore nationalists who substitute Jew for Muslim the presentation of Hitler seems to be the sanitised version...

In Britain we were taught about his atrocities...and of course how his project failed...yet it seems he's presented differently in the Indian system...ie his atrocities ignored and nothing about how he lost...
 
Godwin law. You hate somebody so much that eventually you will compare them to Hitler. There isnt absolutely no relevance in reality today.

Except that the newspaper which published the article doesn't hate India. Its Israeli.
 
The people of India and Pakistan have suffered more atrocities at the hands of Nazi Germany or Imperalist Britain?

Who do they have more reasons to hate,

Hitler or Churchill?
 
The automatic response is to get on the defensive...especially the previous post...the article is written by an Indian...

The article does raise some interesting questions though...which is what I asked...and in response the answers have had emotional rhetoric...

The point about Hitler's relevance today is linked to whether there are any parallels with the idea of the Hindutva movement and an admiration for fascism such as Hitler's...ie not that they are anti-semitic but rather apply similar views towards Muslims and Christians...the RSS quotes from the 40's for instance..ie the view of Hitler as a patriot who fought the British...and also someone who had a 'solution' for the minority 'problem'...

And then whether there is a manifestation of that today...which raised the topic of things like Hitler's representation in textbooks...and the many sales of Mein Kampf...albeit by a minority...this isn't a presumption that Indian kids are being taught genocide is OK...but the above article gives the impression that a highly sanitised version of Hitler is presented...ie 'the patriot' 'the strong leader'...ie except the hardcore nationalists who substitute Jew for Muslim the presentation of Hitler seems to be the sanitised version...

In Britain we were taught about his atrocities...and of course how his project failed...yet it seems he's presented differently in the Indian system...ie his atrocities ignored and nothing about how he lost...

I am not being defensive this is your mistake what I am pointing out is the truth in India hitler holds no relevance..

Indian hindutva movement or nationalistic pride is no where inspired by hitler.. Whoever wrote this article has no clue about ground realities..

This is the most stupidest view I have heard that hitler or his view can in any way influence India.. The hatred towards Muslims is not because of hitler but because of partition, the way some Muslims behave in India which Hindus think all Muslims are same, political games etc etc.. I am from UP and I can tell you I know a lot of people and have had discussions with them who hate Muslims and whatever I say I can’t change their views and none of them are inspired by hitler or even know much about him...
 
I am not being defensive this is your mistake what I am pointing out is the truth in India hitler holds no relevance..

Indian hindutva movement or nationalistic pride is no where inspired by hitler.. Whoever wrote this article has no clue about ground realities..

This is the most stupidest view I have heard that hitler or his view can in any way influence India.. The hatred towards Muslims is not because of hitler but because of partition, the way some Muslims behave in India which Hindus think all Muslims are same, political games etc etc.. I am from UP and I can tell you I know a lot of people and have had discussions with them who hate Muslims and whatever I say I can’t change their views and none of them are inspired by hitler or even know much about him...

Not my area of expertise so I can only ask questions...

Some interesting cursory reading brings up articles like 'Hitler was the reason for Indian independence not Gandhi'...these are Indian written...ie he weakened the British and consequently they couldn't hold on to their colonies...and Subhash Chandra Bose who was supported by the Nazis because he was anti-British...this isn't a slur...it's more a case of as someone mentioned above the Indians had very good reason to oppose the British...so has this in anyway given Hitler a positive image in India at least at it's inception...he was anti-British, he supported Indian patriots etc...

The likes of the RSS at that time seem to be a different kettle of fish...in that it seemed that their appreciation for Hitler went beyond his 'strong nation' 'anti British' traits...but they seemed to appreciate Hitlers solutions to the minority issue...which in their case was the Muslims and Christians...

For the average guy on the street in the 40's Hitler likely was an unknown but it's more a question about his legacy amongst ideologues...especially of the nationalist strand...

Again this isn't a slur...good/bad leaders are generally judged in foreign countries by what they have done for that country...the Holocaust wasn't real for Indians just as the issue of partition wasn't for Europeans...
 
Not my area of expertise so I can only ask questions...

Some interesting cursory reading brings up articles like 'Hitler was the reason for Indian independence not Gandhi'...these are Indian written...ie he weakened the British and consequently they couldn't hold on to their colonies...and Subhash Chandra Bose who was supported by the Nazis because he was anti-British...this isn't a slur...it's more a case of as someone mentioned above the Indians had very good reason to oppose the British...so has this in anyway given Hitler a positive image in India at least at it's inception...he was anti-British, he supported Indian patriots etc...

The likes of the RSS at that time seem to be a different kettle of fish...in that it seemed that their appreciation for Hitler went beyond his 'strong nation' 'anti British' traits...but they seemed to appreciate Hitlers solutions to the minority issue...which in their case was the Muslims and Christians...

For the average guy on the street in the 40's Hitler likely was an unknown but it's more a question about his legacy amongst ideologues...especially of the nationalist strand...

Again this isn't a slur...good/bad leaders are generally judged in foreign countries by what they have done for that country...the Holocaust wasn't real for Indians just as the issue of partition wasn't for Europeans...


Well the world war did play a part in our independence no one would doubt that.. So if you or any person writes an article online with headings such as “hitler was reason for Indian independence and not Gandhi” that is just mid quoting the facts.. Simple point is Hitler was not fighting for Indian independence he was fighting for supremacy.. But in our schools ICSE, CBSE, UP board no text book glorifies hitler as far as I know so the articles you are reading online are articles written by people who just write online to sound different without any knowledge of ground realities...


You are over complicating and over thinking simple things, there is a nationalistic pride and there is a hindutva wave these days (not as big as international media shows) but still there is little wave.. Hitler committed genocide of Jews tell me when has RSS done that? RSS ideology has come from the fact that Muslims of past and present in India were-are no saints... If you talk to a RSS worker who doesn’t like Muslims the common thing they say is that Muslims are criminals, they don’t like Hindus, they are trying to take over india by producing more babies etc etc, so basically they believe in *** for tat.. Now tell me where do you see hitler here?

And yes cricketjoshila was right in saying Indians have more reason to hate britishers than hitler however that does not mean Indians love hitler and follow his ideology..
 
You are over complicating and over thinking simple things, there is a nationalistic pride and there is a hindutva wave these days (not as big as international media shows) but still there is little wave.. Hitler committed genocide of Jews tell me when has RSS done that? RSS ideology has come from the fact that Muslims of past and present in India were-are no saints... If you talk to a RSS worker who doesn’t like Muslims the common thing they say is that Muslims are criminals, they don’t like Hindus, they are trying to take over india by producing more babies etc etc, so basically they believe in *** for tat.. Now tell me where do you see hitler here?

And yes cricketjoshila was right in saying Indians have more reason to hate britishers than hitler however that does not mean Indians love hitler and follow his ideology..

Our own fuhrer (netaji in hindi) styled himself on Hitler. Maybe we indians respect Hitler because we see him like Germany's Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. Also why do you think Mein Kampf is such a popular book here?
 
I am surprised at the naivety and lack of knowledge of the Indians mentioned in the OP article.

Hitler was the main reason why the Third reich lost WWII. He appointed utterly incompetent political stooges to important posts in his cabinet, e.g. his second in command Goring was an opioid addict. His minister of armament Albert Speer was an architect with no military experience. Instead of promoting and appointing qualified personal, he opted for sycophants.

Hitler was obsessed with ideology and preferred to act on it rather than sound political or military strategies. His costly expansion of the war on the Eastern front is only one example of that. Plus, his policy of rounding up of Jews, putting them in concentration camps, mercilessly murdering them...not only was that vicious and criminal genocide of innocent people and one of the biggest human tragedies to have ever happened but it also took valuable resources away from the war effort.

In short, the guy was a nut case.
 
The Indian history curriculum does not really capture the atrocities committed by Hitler accurately. It was not until I finished school and did some reading of my own did I find out about the horrible crimes committed. Most people in India, associate Germany with Subash Chandra Bose and the Azad Hind army. He was seen as someone who was willing to help India achieve independence.

Just as a side note; if you look up you will see India is amongst the most pro-Israel countries around. This again is down to the little information the average Indian has on the conflict and the atrocities committed. Israeli soldiers usually drop down to India for a holiday after their mandatory military service. Their view of Hitler, is not an endorsement of his racial hatred
 
The Indian history curriculum does not really capture the atrocities committed by Hitler accurately. It was not until I finished school and did some reading of my own did I find out about the horrible crimes committed. Most people in India, associate Germany with Subash Chandra Bose and the Azad Hind army. He was seen as someone who was willing to help India achieve independence.

Just as a side note; if you look up you will see India is amongst the most pro-Israel countries around. This again is down to the little information the average Indian has on the conflict and the atrocities committed. Israeli soldiers usually drop down to India for a holiday after their mandatory military service. Their view of Hitler, is not an endorsement of his racial hatred

Idk which Indian school you went to. But I grew up in 90s, my history syllabus included in great detail about German atrocities in WWI and WWII. Nothing of the sort that Hilter was going to help India, if anything our history books had nothing about India's involvement in the great war and WWII under the british raj or about our conflict with Japan.
 
Not my area of expertise so I can only ask questions...

Some interesting cursory reading brings up articles like 'Hitler was the reason for Indian independence not Gandhi'...these are Indian written...ie he weakened the British and consequently they couldn't hold on to their colonies...and Subhash Chandra Bose who was supported by the Nazis because he was anti-British...this isn't a slur...it's more a case of as someone mentioned above the Indians had very good reason to oppose the British...so has this in anyway given Hitler a positive image in India at least at it's inception...he was anti-British, he supported Indian patriots etc...

The likes of the RSS at that time seem to be a different kettle of fish...in that it seemed that their appreciation for Hitler went beyond his 'strong nation' 'anti British' traits...but they seemed to appreciate Hitlers solutions to the minority issue...which in their case was the Muslims and Christians...

For the average guy on the street in the 40's Hitler likely was an unknown but it's more a question about his legacy amongst ideologues...especially of the nationalist strand...

Again this isn't a slur...good/bad leaders are generally judged in foreign countries by what they have done for that country...the Holocaust wasn't real for Indians just as the issue of partition wasn't for Europeans...

that's lot of rubbish tbh. im sure 99.9% even not dreamed Hitler has that much influence in India's (and Pakistan) freedom. if yes same applies Pakistan too. There lot more incidents where non Muslim killed in Pakistan, nah?
 
Idk which Indian school you went to. But I grew up in 90s, my history syllabus included in great detail about German atrocities in WWI and WWII. Nothing of the sort that Hilter was going to help India, if anything our history books had nothing about India's involvement in the great war and WWII under the british raj or about our conflict with Japan.
Are you really implying that growing up you never read about Subash Chandra Bose and the INA? The help they received from the Germany and Japan?
 
Our own fuhrer (netaji in hindi) styled himself on Hitler. Maybe we indians respect Hitler because we see him like Germany's Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. Also why do you think Mein Kampf is such a popular book here?



Again what “we Indians”? Out of 1.3bill Indians majority don’t care/don’t know about hitler they have their own issues to worry about than to honk about some leader dead 80 years ago of some other country..

Novel reading population is minuscule compared to our overall population and I wouldn’t know why someone reads a particular novel in this case Mein Kampf.. Compred to 1.3bill how many copies of Mein Kampf has been sold? Not even 1mill?
 
The Indian history curriculum does not really capture the atrocities committed by Hitler accurately. It was not until I finished school and did some reading of my own did I find out about the horrible crimes committed. Most people in India, associate Germany with Subash Chandra Bose and the Azad Hind army. He was seen as someone who was willing to help India achieve independence.

Just as a side note; if you look up you will see India is amongst the most pro-Israel countries around. This again is down to the little information the average Indian has on the conflict and the atrocities committed. Israeli soldiers usually drop down to India for a holiday after their mandatory military service. Their view of Hitler, is not an endorsement of his racial hatred

When did you grow up and which board did you study from?

TBH I don’t remember much about history taught in school I sucked at that subject but I do remember there was a detail chapter on WW1 and WW2 in CBSE board during 90’s... Don’t exactly remember what was inside those chapters so can’t comment if they taught of hitlers attrocities or not..

They did teach about INA and Subhash Chandra Bose but I don’t remember any connection between Germany and Subhash Chandra Bose being taught, again I might be wrong here been ages.. I do remember the slogans “tum mujhe Khoon do mai azaadi dunga” and him going to Andaman?
 
When did you grow up and which board did you study from?

TBH I don’t remember much about history taught in school I sucked at that subject but I do remember there was a detail chapter on WW1 and WW2 in CBSE board during 90’s... Don’t exactly remember what was inside those chapters so can’t comment if they taught of hitlers attrocities or not..

They did teach about INA and Subhash Chandra Bose but I don’t remember any connection between Germany and Subhash Chandra Bose being taught, again I might be wrong here been ages.. I do remember the slogans “tum mujhe Khoon do mai azaadi dunga” and him going to Andaman?

So you don't remember what was covered and are still countering my points based on Bollywood songs? :-/

The books did not cover the industrial scale genocide that was committed, in depth. They went more into the reasons for the war, the nazi blitzkrieg and the alliances.

Ps you can look up cbse textbooks online
 
So you don't remember what was covered and are still countering my points based on Bollywood songs? :-/

The books did not cover the industrial scale genocide that was committed, in depth. They went more into the reasons for the war, the nazi blitzkrieg and the alliances.

Ps you can look up cbse textbooks online

Where did I counter your points? I asked genuine questions and did mention I don’t remember in my initial post.. Why getting defensive I just wanted to know when you studied from which board to try and remember.. Once someone tells about something you have read studied in past memories come back sometimes so that is why I asked..
 
Again what “we Indians”? Out of 1.3bill Indians majority don’t care/don’t know about hitler they have their own issues to worry about than to honk about some leader dead 80 years ago of some other country..

Novel reading population is minuscule compared to our overall population and I wouldn’t know why someone reads a particular novel in this case Mein Kampf.. Compred to 1.3bill how many copies of Mein Kampf has been sold? Not even 1mill?

Pathetic excuse. Keep hiding behind numbers. Keep throwing 1.3 billion to cover up everything. Even if 1% of the population idolize Hitler, it is dangerous for the country and society.
 
The irony that would never understand is that in Europe and elsewhere in the "white" countries they would be considered as Muslims or Pakiis by the Neo Nazis and They would be beaten to pulp for being brown.
 
Where did I counter your points? I asked genuine questions and did mention I don’t remember in my initial post.. Why getting defensive I just wanted to know when you studied from which board to try and remember.. Once someone tells about something you have read studied in past memories come back sometimes so that is why I asked..

Ok probably did not get where you are coming from.

The Indian history curriculum goes into some depth on the Indian freedom struggle. As a 14 year old, you read about Jalianwala baug massacre, the countless famines which swept our country under British rule and then the killings of Bhagat Singh and the other freedom fighters. The next year you read about the world wars, the bombings of London, Bose and the INA. The concentration camps are covered, but "I believe" the message is lost as we see the British as the bigger evil and Hitler as an equivalent genocidal force. It was not until I met/interacted with Europeans/saw documentaries did I capture the full extent of the horror committed.
 
Indians incidentally fought for the SS...

This is quite a weird story...Subhas Chandra Bose wanted an Indian Legion to fight the British...

He wanted 500 volunteers who would be trained in Germany and then parachuted into India. Everyone raised their hands. Thousands of us volunteered

Interesting thing is some of these were POW's that the Germans had caught in North Africa...

Bose hoped to raise a force of about 100,000 men which, when armed and kitted out by the Germans, could be used to invade British India.

He decided to raise them by going on recruiting visits to Prisoner-of-War camps in Germany which, at that time, were home to tens of thousands of Indian soldiers captured by Rommel in North Africa.

And an interview with one of the fighters...

I managed to track down one of Bose's former recruits, Lieutenant Barwant Singh, who can still remember the Indian revolutionary arriving at his prisoner of war camp.

"He was introduced to us as a leader from our country who wanted to talk to us," he said.

"He wanted 500 volunteers who would be trained in Germany and then parachuted into India. Everyone raised their hands. Thousands of us volunteered."

But Hitler actually didn't help...

In all 3,000 Indian prisoners of war signed up for the Free India Legion.

But instead of being delighted, Bose was worried. A left-wing admirer of Russia, he was devastated when Hitler's tanks rolled across the Soviet border.

Matters were made even worse by the fact that after Stalingrad it became clear that the now-retreating German army would be in no position to offer Bose help in driving the British from faraway India.

When the Indian revolutionary met Hitler in May 1942 his suspicions were confirmed, and he came to believe that the Nazi leader was more interested in using his men to win propaganda victories than military ones.

So, in February 1943, Bose turned his back on his legionnaires and slipped secretly away aboard a submarine bound for Japan.

So what happened to these soldiers?...

After D-Day, the Free India Legion, which had now been drafted into Himmler's Waffen SS, were in headlong retreat through France, along with regular German units.

It was during this time that they gained a wild and loathsome reputation amongst the civilian population.

And when the war ended...

A year later the Indian legionnaires were sent back to India, where all were released after short jail sentences.

But when the British put three of their senior officers on trial near Delhi there were mutinies in the army and protests on the streets.

With the British now aware that the Indian army could no longer be relied upon by the Raj to do its bidding, independence followed soon after.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm
 
Indians incidentally fought for the SS...

This is quite a weird story...Subhas Chandra Bose wanted an Indian Legion to fight the British...



Interesting thing is some of these were POW's that the Germans had caught in North Africa...



And an interview with one of the fighters...



But Hitler actually didn't help...



So what happened to these soldiers?...



And when the war ended...



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm

Indian historical accounts of Bose are unnecessarily romantic. He is considered a revolutionary who would have given the British a bloody nose and driven them out. Adding to the mystique is the governments refusal to release documents pertaining to his life after the war ended. For the average Indian on the street, his view of the war is clouded by the mystique of Bose and the INA.
 
Indians incidentally fought for the SS...

This is quite a weird story...Subhas Chandra Bose wanted an Indian Legion to fight the British...



Interesting thing is some of these were POW's that the Germans had caught in North Africa...



And an interview with one of the fighters...



But Hitler actually didn't help...



So what happened to these soldiers?...



And when the war ended...



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm

Our SC Bose and the effect of the INA was most instrumental in independence, but the charlatan nehru did everything to take away the credit and malign those who fought against the brit army. India's shame that those indians who fought against the azad hind fauj were promoted after independence. The worst of them being SAM MANEKSHAW, a traitor who is hailed as india's best soldier.
 
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Our SC Bose and the effect of the INA was most instrumental in independence, but the charlatan nehru did everything to take away the credit and malign those who fought against the brit army. India's shame that those indians who fought against the azad hind fauj were promoted after independence. The worst of them being SAM MANEKSHAW, a traitor who is hailed as india's best soldier.

A binary view of things? Sam manekshaw did his job well. I hope you know, senior officers in the British Indian army had the option to move to Britain instead (much like the Gurkha soldiers now). Sam stayed back and did his part for the newly independent country
 
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A binary view of things? Sam manekshaw did his job well. I hope you know, senior officers in the British Indian army had the option to move to Britain instead (much like the Gurkha soldiers now). Sam stayed back and did his part for the newly independent country

Yes, I should be grateful to The traitor MANEKSHAW who was proud of killing the soldiers of AZAD HIND FAUJ because he didn't migrate to the land of his masters.
 
Yes, I should be grateful to The traitor MANEKSHAW who was proud of killing the soldiers of AZAD HIND FAUJ because he didn't migrate to the land of his masters.
lol I didn't mean that. If we got rid of everyone in the civil services and the army, our post independence struggle would have been much more difficult.
 
lol I didn't mean that. If we got rid of everyone in the civil services and the army, our post independence struggle would have been much more difficult.

Agreed. But that was not the reason he was kept. Nehru intentionally didn't want the soldiers of the Azad Hind Fauj to get any justice, and every indian should be aware of this.
 
The people of India and Pakistan have suffered more atrocities at the hands of Nazi Germany or Imperalist Britain?

Who do they have more reasons to hate,

Hitler or Churchill?

It was the imperialist Brits who divided Bengal, yet in the other thread you were adamant that you were against the issue of visas to allow the freedom of movement on both sides of the fence. So it seems like while you might speak regularly against the Brits, some of their divide and rule policies suited you quite nicely.

Seems like many Indians like to curse the Brits with their keyboards, but at the same time they can't bear to roll back their policies.
 
Its really sad, right wing hindus are a big problem in today's era, take the current UNGA resolution, they support Israel because of the hatred for muslims.

You could say it an educational issue but you see highly educated hindus nuts both male and females showing this racist rhetoric.
 
It was the imperialist Brits who divided Bengal, yet in the other thread you were adamant that you were against the issue of visas to allow the freedom of movement on both sides of the fence. So it seems like while you might speak regularly against the Brits, some of their divide and rule policies suited you quite nicely.

Seems like many Indians like to curse the Brits with their keyboards, but at the same time they can't bear to roll back their policies.

The division is done.Bangladesh and India are separate nations and hence they should get a visa to get into my country.
 
The Nazi Hitler comparison is increasing by each passing day too many cards in the protests comparing hitler and nazi germany with modi and bjp/rss.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="hu" dir="ltr">Modi is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UrbanNazi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UrbanNazi</a></p>— Anurag Kashyap (@anuragkashyap72) <a href="https://twitter.com/anuragkashyap72/status/1208706630654844928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And here are the pictures of the detention centre’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UrbanNazi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UrbanNazi</a> <a href="https://t.co/7SpcpKxU0h">https://t.co/7SpcpKxU0h</a></p>— Anurag Kashyap (@anuragkashyap72) <a href="https://twitter.com/anuragkashyap72/status/1208707673685975040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Detention center doesn't make one a Nazi. It is what you do inside the detention center that matters. These pics look fine, with enough sun and space, and playground for kids.
 
The Nazi Hitler comparison is increasing by each passing day too many cards in the protests comparing hitler and nazi germany with modi and bjp/rss.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="hu" dir="ltr">Modi is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UrbanNazi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UrbanNazi</a></p>— Anurag Kashyap (@anuragkashyap72) <a href="https://twitter.com/anuragkashyap72/status/1208706630654844928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And here are the pictures of the detention centre’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UrbanNazi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UrbanNazi</a> <a href="https://t.co/7SpcpKxU0h">https://t.co/7SpcpKxU0h</a></p>— Anurag Kashyap (@anuragkashyap72) <a href="https://twitter.com/anuragkashyap72/status/1208707673685975040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That is how my school looked lol. This is a luxury camp for Indian standard.
 
That is how my school looked lol. This is a luxury camp for Indian standard.

Did you school have barbed wire fences, locks on metal doors and your teachers carried battons to beat you with?

No wonder your posts are so....
 
Its really sad, right wing hindus are a big problem in today's era, take the current UNGA resolution, they support Israel because of the hatred for muslims.

You could say it an educational issue but you see highly educated hindus nuts both male and females showing this racist rhetoric.
The terrorists sprouting from misleading teachings from Islam might be a bigger problem for the world.
They are the ones polarizing the whole world.
 
German Nazi

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India, the RSS (neo Nazis)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What terrifies me about evil in this world is that at this moment it is much more organized than the forces of good.<br><br>This is the RSS marching in India today. They are paramilitary Hindu Nationalist extremists.<br><br>And they are the largest NGO in the world.<a href="https://t.co/pUSH3d128s">pic.twitter.com/pUSH3d128s</a></p>— Joshua Potash (@JoshuaPotash) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1209966509621174273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RE INCARNATION.... who did this. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JustAsking?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JustAsking</a> <a href="https://t.co/1HPbsSfAU2">pic.twitter.com/1HPbsSfAU2</a></p>— Prakash Raj (@prakashraaj) <a href="https://twitter.com/prakashraaj/status/1214165874388561927?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Most Hindu's here seem very happy with Modi even though he is destroying their country. That's really weird:warner!
 
It’s a rubbish point hitler will never be relevant in India.. That is the reality, anyone who says otherwise does not know about ground realities in India..

Like many other leaders of past from western world hitler is just another name will never ever be mainstream..

Things have changed alot within 2 years no?
 
The division is done.Bangladesh and India are separate nations and hence they should get a visa to get into my country.

Yes it was done and implemented by the British, if you approve and accept they did the right thing, at least give us some credit for showing you the path.
 
Yes it was done and implemented by the British, if you approve and accept they did the right thing, at least give us some credit for showing you the path.

They did the right thing at least give us some credit. CAP who is they and who is us ? Are you saying They the Caucasian Brits and us meaning Britstani Pakistanis like you ?. :angel:
 
They did the right thing at least give us some credit. CAP who is they and who is us ? Are you saying They the Caucasian Brits and us meaning Britstani Pakistanis like you ?. :angel:

Both are correct terms. Just as current white generations born in this country can claim British history, so can we British of a pleasant tan hue. We are certainly more loyal to Britain than some members of the royal family who are fleeing to Canada.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BJP spokesperson refuses to condemn Hitler, Mussolini or Mahatma Gandhi’s assassin Nathuram Godse. I’m not even surprised. <a href="https://t.co/UwXcTuPGBU">pic.twitter.com/UwXcTuPGBU</a></p>— Shivam Vij (@DilliDurAst) <a href="https://twitter.com/DilliDurAst/status/1215677447108100096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What happened under Hitler is unfolding in India now: Amarinder on CAA<a href="https://t.co/QKd0XIaQ19">https://t.co/QKd0XIaQ19</a> <a href="https://t.co/T5jigdeCow">pic.twitter.com/T5jigdeCow</a></p>— The Indian Express (@IndianExpress) <a href="https://twitter.com/IndianExpress/status/1218195035084091392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2020</a></blockquote>
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