How Britain exports Islamist extremism to Bangladesh

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Since the first wave of Bangladeshi migrants arrived in Britain in the 1970s, foreign-born preachers have held sway in the community. For a while the most visible consequence to outsiders was when Bangladeshi restaurants stopped selling alcohol, after conservative clerics such as Delwar Hossain Sayeedi came to preach temperance to the diaspora in the 1990s (some curry houses found a theological loophole in the form of “bring your own booze”). Recent years have seen more serious worries about the influence of foreign extremists. In February Shamima Begum, an east-London schoolgirl, was stripped of her British citizenship after running away to join Islamic State (is) in Syria.

Yet in Dhaka, amid a rising tempo of terrorist attacks, officials are asking who is radicalising whom. Bangladesh’s government often blames outsiders for its problem with radical Islam. But here it has a point. British citizens have been implicated in the planning, funding and promotion of terrorism in Bangladesh, to the alarm of the country’s security services. “We do not know what is driving radicalisation in Britain,” says a senior officer in Bangladesh’s Counter-Terrorism Intelligence Bureau, “but it is contaminating our society.”


Britain’s exporting of radical Islam goes back a long way. Syed Golam Maula, the founder of the Bangladeshi chapter of Hizb-ut-Tahrir, an Islamist movement that is banned in Bangladesh but not in Britain, was introduced to the organisation while studying in London in the early 1990s. In 2015 Sheikh Hasina Wajed, the prime minister, complained to her opposite number, David Cameron, that British citizens were promoting radicalism in her country. Her comments came after religious extremists targeted gay activists, atheist bloggers and religious minorities. Touhidur Rahman, a Briton of Bangladeshi origin, was accused of (but never charged with) planning the murder of two secular bloggers.

Earlier this year Bangladeshi police arrested Rizwan Haroon, who had previously lived in Britain, on suspicion of using a school in Dhaka to recruit youngsters to is. He is awaiting trial. According to America’s fbi, Siful Haque Sujan, a Bangladeshi-born British citizen believed to have been killed in Syria in 2015, was a leading figure in is who used eBay to send money to operatives in Britain and America. An American military report found that he had set up shell companies in Bangladesh, Britain and Spain to move funds and drones on behalf of the terrorist organisation.

Britons are by no means the only difficult part of the Bangladeshi diaspora. One of the perpetrators of a deadly attack in 2016 on the Holey Artisan Bakery in Dhaka was Canadian. But intelligence agencies are particularly interested in Britain, whose 600,000 people of Bangladeshi origin make up the largest Western chunk of the diaspora. Some half a billion dollars in remittances are sent to Bangladesh from Britain each year, according to the World Bank, more than from any other Western country (though much less than from the Gulf states, where many Bangladeshis toil).

Cash from Green Crescent, a now-defunct British charity, was connected by Bangladeshi security services to the Holey Bakery attack. In 2009 Bangladeshi forces raided a madrassa funded by Green Crescent and found weapons and extremist literature. They claim the charity’s British founder, Faisal Mostafa, has links to Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen, a terrorist outfit, which he denies. He has twice been acquitted of terrorism offences in Britain. “Green Crescent is likely just the tip of the iceberg,” says Rakib Ehsan of the Henry Jackson Society, a think-tank. “We have no way of tracing even a fraction of the charitable funds that go from the uk to Bangladesh.”

The home and away communities are “surprisingly linked…much more so than other diaspora communities,” says Kamaldeep Bhui, an extremism expert at Queen Mary University of London. Most British-Bangladeshis come from a single region, Sylhet, and 70% live in London, so ties are strong. This has fostered the continuity of cultural norms and for a long time “shielded” Bangladeshis from extremist ideas, argues Tahir Abbas of Leiden University. “British Bangladeshis weren’t so much on the map in terms of these issues—until Islamic State,” he says. Perhaps 100 of the 800 or so Britons who have joined is are of Bangladeshi origin. Bangladeshis are disproportionately represented on Britain’s terrorist watch-list, according to officials in both countries. Last year one, Naa’imur Rahman, was convicted of plotting to kill the then prime minister, Theresa May.

Terror without borders
Ali Riaz of Illinois State University argues that the government’s response to 9/11 lumped together all Muslims, making many identify more with their religion than their nationality or ethnic origin. This has made them vulnerable to the universalist messages of groups like is. Disillusioned youngsters “try to reclaim elements of their past, of their country of origin—religion can be the easiest thing to grab hold of,” says Mr Bhui. Some become more orthodox than their parents. Orthodoxy is not the same as extremism, he notes, “but extremist groups can hide easily in orthodoxy.” It does not help that Bangladeshis are the poorest ethnic group in Britain.

In Dhaka, keeping tabs on happenings in Tower Hamlets is hard. Some suspects are wanted in Bangladesh but operate freely in Britain, a source of frustration for Bangladeshi intelligence services. Despite what counter-terrorism chiefs describe as a high level of co-operation, the flow of information is hindered by the two intelligence services’ very different cultures. Bangladeshi spooks freely haul people in for questioning, tap phones and tail suspicious folk (including Economist correspondents). Torture is common; extra-judicial killing is neither unusual nor even much covered up. This reduces Britain’s willingness to share information. “We respect the cultures of the countries we work with and we limit our expectations,” says the Bangladeshi counter-terrorism officer.

The ideas, money and recruitment essential to extremism no longer move neatly from one country another, notes Mr Riaz, but in a “confusing whirlwind”. The challenge facing British and Bangladeshi intelligence is far more complex than when preachers such as Mr Sayeedi, who is now behind bars in Bangladesh, were banishing booze from east London’s curry houses.

https://www.economist.com/britain/2019/09/19/how-britain-exports-islamist-extremism-to-bangladesh
 
There is a difference between regular conservative Muslims and actual radicals. When you start to label both as extremists, that's when problems arise.

Not all fundamentalists are extremists and sometimes people forget that.
 
There is a difference between regular conservative Muslims and actual radicals. When you start to label both as extremists, that's when problems arise.

Not all fundamentalists are extremists and sometimes people forget that.

The article gives examples of British Bangladeshis involved in terror funding and terror plot. You can't call them simple conservatives. Is Britain becoming a hub of extremism?
 
There is a difference between regular conservative Muslims and actual radicals. When you start to label both as extremists, that's when problems arise.

Not all fundamentalists are extremists and sometimes people forget that.

Fundamentalists in western society , so you are basically taking advantage of the plural Canadian values and economy.

I don’t tag [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] in tp sections coz its waste of his time but I genuinely want to know his view.
You can ignore.
 
The article gives examples of British Bangladeshis involved in terror funding and terror plot. You can't call them simple conservatives. Is Britain becoming a hub of extremism?

Of course not. Radicals are radicals. However, there are some who wrongly get labeled as ISIS or extremists.

I don't think Britain is a hub for extremism because vast majority are law-abiding there.
 
Of course not. Radicals are radicals. However, there are some who wrongly get labeled as ISIS or extremists.

I don't think Britain is a hub for extremism because vast majority are law-abiding there.

But the article gives evidence that British nationals are playing a major role in terrorist activities in Bangladesh.
 
The Economist is part owned by the Rothschilds. Yes these guys will always speak the truth. :)))
 
But the article gives evidence that British nationals are playing a major role in terrorist activities in Bangladesh.

There is currently no major terrorism issue in Bangladesh. There were some problems when ISIS was strong but things have gotten better.

So, this article is outdated. I call this article slanderous.
 
Our friend seems to be on a mission today.

Anything good you see in Islam or Pakistan? Please let us know too.
 
There is currently no major terrorism issue in Bangladesh. There were some problems when ISIS was strong but things have gotten better.

So, this article is outdated. I call this article slanderous.

Slanderous against Fundamentalists?
 
This article is implying there is terrorism problem in Bangladesh. It is not the case.

Yes , its implying its coz Britain, also its quoting BD “counter-terrorism” officer and yes BD are doing an incredible job keep terrorism at bay kudos to the officers who as per the article doesn’t care about whether Britain shares info or not.

You are one of the few self hating Bangladeshis on this forum, I feel there is an inferiority complex is many of your statements, just my opinion, I could be wrong.
 
Yes , its implying its coz Britain, also its quoting BD “counter-terrorism” officer and yes BD are doing an incredible job keep terrorism at bay kudos to the officers who as per the article doesn’t care about whether Britain shares info or not.

You are one of the few self hating Bangladeshis on this forum, I feel there is an inferiority complex is many of your statements, just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Why would I feel inferior? I Keep it real. I don't let nationalism cloud my judgement. Also, my Muslim identity is far more important than my Bangladeshi identity.

I love Bangladesh but I don't support current government. I don't like Hasina and her party. I want a leader who is not influenced by outside force.

There are many in Bangladesh who are not happy with her. I will not be surprised if at some point she gets replaced (most likely by military).
 
Well it's an article in a reputed British magazine. Not my personal opinion.

You have joined today and seem overeager - suggest slow down - looking too obvious what you are upto here.
 
You have joined today and seem overeager - suggest slow down - looking too obvious what you are upto here.

Is there a forum rule that members have to write positive things about Pakistan ?
 
Why would I feel inferior? I Keep it real. I don't let nationalism cloud my judgement. Also, my Muslim identity is far more important than my Bangladeshi identity.

I love Bangladesh but I don't support current government. I don't like Hasina and her party. I want a leader who is not influenced by outside force.

There are many in Bangladesh who are not happy with her. I will not be surprised if at some point she gets replaced (most likely by military).

You are a Canadian now, of all the countries Canada never asks you to choose one identity, thats on your mind that you have chosen, not sure how being a Bangladeshi is interfering with your Muslim identity that you had to mention the above in your post.

The article is against BRitain extremists and you found it slanderous, clearly there is some complex there.
 
Is there a forum rule that members have to write positive things about Pakistan ?

It's a pro Pakistan forum, what do you think?

Though I thought you would revel in posting your vitriol against Pakistan/Islam on RSS/BJP forums - doubt you would get much mileage here because most users are smart enough to spot a grade C troll.
 
It's a pro Pakistan forum, what do you think?

Though I thought you would revel in posting your vitriol against Pakistan/Islam on RSS/BJP forums - doubt you would get much mileage here because most users are smart enough to spot a grade C troll.

I thought as long as I stick to facts I will be welcome. I didn't know it's just a Pakistani echo chamber.
 
I thought as long as I stick to facts I will be welcome. I didn't know it's just a Pakistani echo chamber.

What are you playing at?
Don't try to play the victim
Imagine if you had posted such comments against India on an Indian forum you would have been kicked out ASAP.
Don't take this opportunity for granted
 
What are you playing at?
Don't try to play the victim
Imagine if you had posted such comments against India on an Indian forum you would have been kicked out ASAP.
Don't take this opportunity for granted

What comment are you referring to.
 
I thought as long as I stick to facts I will be welcome. I didn't know it's just a Pakistani echo chamber.

You have admitted you are posting *opinions* above.

Your words not mine.

You are not posting facts, even by your own words, you are deluded if you think you are.

Sorry, PP is no match for your RSS/BJP extremist forums. The only fact here is you are a grade C troll.

It's up to the mods to ban users, but the most I can do is ignore a terrorist sympathizer when I see one.
 
You have admitted you are posting *opinions* above.

Your words not mine.

You are not posting facts, even by your own words, you are deluded if you think you are.

Sorry, PP is no match for your RSS/BJP extremist forums. The only fact here is you are a grade C troll.

It's up to the mods to ban users, but the most I can do is ignore a terrorist sympathizer when I see one.

I said it's not my opinion. Where did I say it's my opinion ?
 
You are a Canadian now, of all the countries Canada never asks you to choose one identity, thats on your mind that you have chosen, not sure how being a Bangladeshi is interfering with your Muslim identity that you had to mention the above in your post.

The article is against BRitain extremists and you found it slanderous, clearly there is some complex there.

This article linked Britain extremists with Bangladesh.

I used the word "slanderous" because the newspaper made it seem like there is serious terrorism issue in Bangladesh. No such issue in BD currently.
 
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Fundamentalists in western society , so you are basically taking advantage of the plural Canadian values and economy.

I don’t tag [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] in tp sections coz its waste of his time but I genuinely want to know his view.
You can ignore.

I think, it's not about Britain "exporting", radical Muslims or any other such groups, rather it's the lenient British law that probably allows people with different views an asylum. This is not only for BD or Muslims, but probably true for every country or religion and Canada is heading to that route as well. Few days back, I read an illegal immigrant guy attempting a minor of "rape to impregnate" was sentenced to 5 years of jail terms, and I am sure it'll be reduced to 3 years on appeal and may be the guy will come out in parole after 2 years ......... in USA, probably that guy would have gone to morgue from police custody before facing a trail!!!!

In Bangladesh context, I am a bit circumspective about the definition of "extremist", because the term is brutally used to oppress political opponents. More or less, whoever is against Govt., is found to have an extremist link or dubious track record during 1971 independence war. Two of my relatives are in UK now (on terrorism charges), who were genuine freedom fighters but joined opposition party and two of my other relatives are Awamileague Leaders now, who were the leaders of "Collaboration Committee" in 1971 ..... and Awami Intellectual Shahriar Kabir made a fortune supplying Chicken & egg in PAK Army camp in 1971 ..........

I am sure British intelligence do have enough information about actual facts, therefore they are trying to balance it by protecting the victims being politically correct as much as possible.
 
I think, it's not about Britain "exporting", radical Muslims or any other such groups, rather it's the lenient British law that probably allows people with different views an asylum. This is not only for BD or Muslims, but probably true for every country or religion and Canada is heading to that route as well. Few days back, I read an illegal immigrant guy attempting a minor of "rape to impregnate" was sentenced to 5 years of jail terms, and I am sure it'll be reduced to 3 years on appeal and may be the guy will come out in parole after 2 years ......... in USA, probably that guy would have gone to morgue from police custody before facing a trail!!!!

In Bangladesh context, I am a bit circumspective about the definition of "extremist", because the term is brutally used to oppress political opponents. More or less, whoever is against Govt., is found to have an extremist link or dubious track record during 1971 independence war. Two of my relatives are in UK now (on terrorism charges), who were genuine freedom fighters but joined opposition party and two of my other relatives are Awamileague Leaders now, who were the leaders of "Collaboration Committee" in 1971 ..... and Awami Intellectual Shahriar Kabir made a fortune supplying Chicken & egg in PAK Army camp in 1971 ..........

I am sure British intelligence do have enough information about actual facts, therefore they are trying to balance it by protecting the victims being politically correct as much as possible.

Thanks for the detailed reply, Aus and America are countries where ImHo immigrants fall in line, now that can be a good thing or a bad thing depending upon people.

Interesting, so there is truth to politics being played on who is extremist.
 
Britain doesn't export extremism to Bangladesh, it's a country where freedom of thought means lots of disparate groups get to express their views, and from that you can get extremists flourishing. It's a weakness looked at one way, or a strength when you consider this is a country where you are allowed to have a voice.
 
There is currently no major terrorism issue in Bangladesh. There were some problems when ISIS was strong but things have gotten better.

So, this article is outdated. I call this article slanderous.

Libelous, Slander is verbal.
 
Now Bangladeshiz are giving it back to the British.
 
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