How can India recover from the humiliating ICC ODI World Cup 2023 final loss?

India will recover just fine, they are a world class side and there is no shame in losing a World Cup final.

My question is, when will fans of a nothing team like Pakistan recover from celebrating Australia’s World Cup win more passionately than Australian fans themselves?
Every team has to recover from something other than Australia. One team from 0-8 spanning 3 decades. :)
 
Every team has to recover from something other than Australia. One team from 0-8 spanning 3 decades. :)

Actually even Australia has suffered many knockout defeats vs India ... starting way back in 1983 where they crashed out after losing to India in what was a virtual Q/F.

Then in the 2007 T20 WC S/F where Yuvi spanked the crap out of them and again in the 2011 WC Q/F and in the 2016 T20 WC at Mohali due to Kohli magic.

And ofcourse the 2 back-to-back Test series wins in Aus. Dont think Aus have lost 3 consecutive bilateral Test series (with 2 of them at home) against any team in a long time.
 
Actually even Australia has suffered many knockout defeats vs India ... starting way back in 1983 where they crashed out after losing to India in what was a virtual Q/F.

Then in the 2007 T20 WC S/F where Yuvi spanked the crap out of them and again in the 2011 WC Q/F and in the 2016 T20 WC at Mohali due to Kohli magic.

And ofcourse the 2 back-to-back Test series wins in Aus. Dont think Aus have lost 3 consecutive bilateral Test series (with 2 of them at home) against any team in a long time.
Specifically this world cup. Yes. Aussies have their share of losses against India in crucial games.
 
The concern for the Indian Cricket Team lies in the perceived mediocre bench strength in fast bowling. The quest for emerging talents with the quality & skills level of Bumrah and Shami remains a priority for the team's future success
 
People only remember last series. There is so much cricket played these days that it is impossible to keep track of the old results for a casual fan. India will soon be playing SA and if they win the series there, it will be considered as great as a WC win. After that when IPL starts, it will be non-stop cricket.

This WC loss will be remembered every 4 years.
 
They defeated Australia in the series.

Revenge taken?
 
In light of England's abominable bilateral ODI series loss to a team that did not even qualify to the World Cup ... I think the first order of business is to define what constitutes "Humiliation" in todays cricket. :thumbsup
 
Well they are certainly not doing much in the next ICC tournament. T20 as a format is so fickle and they might inevitably choke even before the knockouts and bundle themselves out of the tournament in the group stages, like in 2021.
 
Well they are certainly not doing much in the next ICC tournament. T20 as a format is so fickle and they might inevitably choke even before the knockouts and bundle themselves out of the tournament in the group stages, like in 2021.
They will have a chance with youngsters but if " seniors " like rohit kohli klrahul come back then yeah we are done.. actually west indies have a decent shot along with the usual suspects aus and eng
 
It seems India hasn't recovered from the loss in the final against Australia. Even Rohit Sharma appears to be out of rhythm. The top order of India in Tests seems very weak. I don't foresee them scoring big runs in the challenging sena conditions in the coming years.
 
"How can India ever recover from the 36 all out humiliation" ? :murali

Proceeds to recover by winning the series 2-1 and making it the greatest ever Test series win of all time. :)

" How can India recover from a humiliating test defeat at home ? " :murali

Proceeds to recover by winning the series 4-1 by mauling the bazballers. :)


"How can India recover from a home world cup final humiliation" :murali


Proceeds to win the very next ICC tournament remaining unbeaten. :)
 
They won't recover from this. It's the end.

When you pull every trick in the book and still dont win then you know its time to give up.
Winning the very next tournament that too in away conditions after this was just such a great display of character and will by the likes of Rohit, Bumrah and Hardik. :love: That too with the most dominant World T20 run without losing a single match which has never happened in T20 World Cup history. Even came back from 36 a.o. to win a Test series in OZ which is unheard of.



Every humiliation in recent years has been followed by us coming back stronger.

All the best to Pakistani fans and players in recovering from all your humiliations . It's a matter of character and talent. And since their players lack both, hope they find it somewhere down the line.
 
Winning the very next tournament that too in away conditions after this was just such a great display of character and will by the likes of Rohit, Bumrah and Hardik. :love: That too with the most dominant World T20 run without losing a single match which has never happened in T20 World Cup history. Even came back from 36 a.o. to win a Test series in OZ which is unheard of.



Every humiliation in recent years has been followed by us coming back stronger.

All the best to Pakistani fans and players in recovering from all your humiliations . It's a matter of character and talent. And since their players lack both, hope they find it somewhere down the line.
Let's be honest. You guys thought it was the end too. Lots of wrist slitting, negativity and criticism of the squad selected when the T20 world cup squad was announced and it continued all through the tournament until the final ball had been bowled.

A little bit of luck and suddenly you can be on top of the world again. There is a lesson here for Pakistan fans and players to not give up hope. A few small tweaks can make the team competitive again in the shorter format. You can't read too much into T20 format to call it a recovery from many years of complete humiliation in ICC tournaments is really taking quite a generous view.

The 36 all out to winning a series in Australia
Now that is an achievement for the ages. One of the finest in sport. I doubt we can ever get close to that or if any other team will. That was something else.
 
This thread is another absolute gold with the usual suspects embarrassing themselves . If only they were as passionate about their own teams performance instead of India, they night not lose to teams like USA or pose at home to Bangladesh.
 
"How can India ever recover from the 36 all out humiliation" ? :murali

Proceeds to recover by winning the series 2-1 and making it the greatest ever Test series win of all time. :)

" How can India recover from a humiliating test defeat at home ? " :murali

Proceeds to recover by winning the series 4-1 by mauling the bazballers. :)


"How can India recover from a home world cup final humiliation" :murali


Proceeds to win the very next ICC tournament remaining unbeaten. :)
Why no thread about the humiliating loss of one T20I to Zimbabwe?

and the Humiliating ODI series loss to Sri Lanka?

We need these good luck charms :p
 
Let's be honest. You guys thought it was the end too. Lots of wrist slitting, negativity and criticism of the squad selected when the T20 world cup squad was announced and it continued all through the tournament until the final ball had been bowled.

A little bit of luck and suddenly you can be on top of the world again. There is a lesson here for Pakistan fans and players to not give up hope. A few small tweaks can make the team competitive again in the shorter format. You can't read too much into T20 format to call it a recovery from many years of complete humiliation in ICC tournaments is really taking quite a generous view.

The 36 all out to winning a series in Australia
Now that is an achievement for the ages. One of the finest in sport. I doubt we can ever get close to that or if any other team will. That was something else.
If T20 world Cup is a matter of luck and is acknowledged as such, then why was it held against India for us not getting the rub of the green in previous T20 world cups ?

You're basically saying then that it was a humiliation to lose but it is a matter of luck to win.
 
Whenever India is down, the India team and it's supporters want India to get back and fight.

Whenever Pakistan team is down it supporters and more worried about wanting India too instead of wanting their team to get back up.
 
If T20 world Cup is a matter of luck and is acknowledged as such, then why was it held against India for us not getting the rub of the green in previous T20 world cups ?

You're basically saying then that it was a humiliation to lose but it is a matter of luck to win.
You have bumped a thread about tournament humiliation in an ODI and are asking specifically about T20 WC.

I don't think one T20 tournament is enough to recover from the multiple humiliations particularly the last ODI WC where Modi had to run from the stage and the massive party that was planned had to be shelved.

Do you think this tournament win against the odds when ever their own fans were ridiculing the team selection is enough to wipe the slate clean?
 
You have bumped a thread about tournament humiliation in an ODI and are asking specifically about T20 WC.

I don't think one T20 tournament is enough to recover from the multiple humiliations particularly the last ODI WC where Modi had to run from the stage and the massive party that was planned had to be shelved.

Do you think this tournament win against the odds when ever their own fans were ridiculing the team selection is enough to wipe the slate clean?

India's humiliations were supposed to be about getting humiliated in multiple "ICC" tournaments . Nobody said anything about ODI format specifically.

You just introduced that now.

What do fans' opinions have to do with anything ?
 
India's humiliations were supposed to be about getting humiliated in multiple "ICC" tournaments . Nobody said anything about ODI format specifically.

You just introduced that now.

What do fans' opinions have to do with anything ?
The fans opinions show the win came completely out of the blue.

You could even term it a fluke if you wanted to use those words.
 
Just like you claiming CT win and loading it over Indian fans because it's an "ICC" event ?
ICC champions trophy was top tier cricket compared to this turgid loss making rain affected world cup with cherry picked stadiums for India.

The ICC champions trophy win is close to your 36 all out and subsequent win in terms of recovery and resilience.
 
The fans opinions show the win came completely out of the blue.

You could even term it a fluke if you wanted to use those words.

Fans opinions don't reflect what the players think, feel or do. If the most dominant T20 World Cup run in history was a fluke , then I suppose all PAK ICC tournament wins and especially 1992 were flukes?
 
We will never be able to recover from it completely Major bhai. You are a true fan of the game and you understand such emotions. That day, my heart broke, again, and it’s fair to say that no matter ecstatic experiences I might receive in the future, but I will never be the same again because a part of me indeed died that day with Bharat losing the ODI World Cup final. Unlike others I do not feel ashamed of my lowest points, the pain and suffering my mind endured. It will remain with me forever.

Most painful match outcomes for me ever :-

2023 ODI WC final
2003 ODI WC final
2017 CT final
2019 ODI WC SF
2016 T20 WC SF
 
Lol at the desperate ones trying to big up the pointless Champions Trophy which was thrown into the garbage can because no one cared about it. :ROFLMAO:

India won a 20 Team World cup by staying unbeaten but somehow that second grade tournament win was better lmao.
 
Congrats on the gold. The fact that your cricket is so talentless and mediocre and that you have to brag about your solitary Olympic gold in a cricket thread that you created ..

Funny thing is these same ones used to say "who cares about a no name sport Javelin we beat you in cricket" back in 2021 when we had the Gold and they beat us in that 2021 Dubai WT20 game.

Now that we are world champions, suddenly that medal is all that matters. :ROFLMAO:
 
Congrats on the gold. The fact that your cricket is so talentless and mediocre and that you have to brag about your solitary Olympic gold in a cricket thread that you created ..
Solitary gold better than no gold.

Besides olympics is above any sport
 
Funny thing is these same ones used to say "who cares about a no name sport Javelin we beat you in cricket" back in 2021 when we had the Gold and they beat us in that 2021 Dubai WT20 game.

Now that we are world champions, suddenly that medal is all that matters. :ROFLMAO:
I never said that, plz bring proof i said that here
 
Bringing Olympics Gold medal (javelin throw) wins in a thread related to cricket would be like me bringing the number of Nobel Laureates (bar Peace ones) between India and Pakistan.
Its a sport. Plus, the context of the thread is on an achievement. If you are gonna boost about a t20 trophy than compared to that, an olympic gold holds more value.

But you guys dont have one, so what should you know
 
Lost the pinnacle of cricket and than claim a t20 win as recovery
Better to get in the finals of pinnacle. As for Pakistan in the pinnacle of cricket,
it seems new strategy is to make every Test series a throwback to their worst performances. Zero wins, all losses—might as well call it an "undefeated losing streak!" Maybe they're aiming to redefine the pinnacle of cricket by testing their fans' patience instead of the opposition’s bowlers.

But hey, at least they're making history... just not the kind anyone wants to remember!
 
Better to get in the finals of pinnacle. As for Pakistan in the pinnacle of cricket,
it seems new strategy is to make every Test series a throwback to their worst performances. Zero wins, all losses—might as well call it an "undefeated losing streak!" Maybe they're aiming to redefine the pinnacle of cricket by testing their fans' patience instead of the opposition’s bowlers.

But hey, at least they're making history... just not the kind anyone wants to remember!
U r right. Being the runner ups is also good.

Whether its olympics or what ever the event is.

Its not like the winner finishes above to a person who came 2nd in every other event
 
U r right. Being the runner ups is also good.

Whether its olympics or what ever the event is.

Its not like the winner finishes above to a person who came 2nd in every other event
Ngl, that was savage bro 🤣. Goat reply.
 
India's humiliations were supposed to be about getting humiliated in multiple "ICC" tournaments . Nobody said anything about ODI format specifically.

You just introduced that now.

What do fans' opinions have to do with anything ?

You must give our pakistani friends some leeway.

Their team isn't winning so they cope by watching India lose the odd match.

If you destroy even this dream, how will they survive?
 
U r right. Being the runner ups is also good.

Whether its olympics or what ever the event is.

Its not like the winner finishes above to a person who came 2nd in every other event

When was the last time Pakistan won a ICC event?

When was the last time pakistan reached the finals of WTC or ICC World Cup?
 
Ngl, that was savage bro 🤣. Goat reply.

Lol it really wasn't.. :yk

Imagine an Indian fan saying "Oh but but but we won a gold medal in Javelin earlier so we are better" to cover up for all the humiliation and the trolling post the WT20 2021 group stage exit ? Sounds cringe and beyond desperate doesn't it?
 
Lol it really wasn't.. :yk

Imagine an Indian fan saying "Oh but but but we won a gold medal in Javelin earlier so we are better" to cover up for all the humiliation and the trolling post the WT20 2021 group stage exit ? Sounds cringe and beyond desperate doesn't it?
I was referring to the final line, not the Olympics one aka

Its not like the winner finishes above to a person who came 2nd in every other event

News flash, no one ever cares for the runner up, No one cares that sa was the runner up of 2024 and no would care for india 2023 if it wasnt for the 1.4B population crying and throwing the biggest drama bazi hissy fit I've ever seen in my life.
 
U r right. Being the runner ups is also good.

Whether its olympics or what ever the event is.

Its not like the winner finishes above to a person who came 2nd in every other event
You bringing Olympics into cricket thread is like me bringing Misbahs losing record against India in ICC events and contributing as 12th man to 2 of India's ICC titles.
 
When was the last time Pakistan won a ICC event?

When was the last time pakistan reached the finals of WTC or ICC World Cup?
Soon they will called as choker of the decade if they dont win anything in upcoming year. They hold the worst test team at home tag now
 
Its a sport. Plus, the context of the thread is on an achievement. If you are gonna boost about a t20 trophy than compared to that, an olympic gold holds more value.

But you guys dont have one, so what should you know
C'mmon you are being unfair here. The premise of your thread was how can Indian cricket team recover after WC 2023 defeat. You specifically asked about cricket team and not olympics or any other sports. The fact that India went onto win the very next ICC event in 6 months time proved that they have completely recovered from that defeat. It also proved that your thread has fallen flat on the face unlike brother @Devadwal thread on how can Pakistan recover from Asia cup humiliation. No need to get all salty and bring Olympics, FIFA, Kabaddi, Kho Kho etc. Just admit you are proven wrong and move on like a mature man.
 
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C'mmon you are being unfair here. The premise of your thread was how can Indian cricket team recover after WC 2023 defeat. You specifically asked about cricket team and not olympics or any other sports. The fact that India went onto win the very next ICC event in 6 months time proved that they have completely recovered from that defeat. It also proved that your thread has fallen flat on the face unlike brother @Devadwal thread on how can Pakistan recover from Asia cup humiliation. No need to get all salty and bring Olympics, FIFA, Kabaddi, Kho Kho etc. Just admit you are proven wrong and move on like a mature man.
bro i have moved on.

But is this world t20 worth same as the odi world cup win?
 
bro i have moved on.

But is this world t20 worth same as the odi world cup win?
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Worth more than Champions Trophy for sure. Also interesting to see it took you only 6 months to move on after creating this thread :rabada2
 
bro i have moved on.

But is this world t20 worth same as the odi world cup win?
Worth more than Champions Trophy for sure. Also interesting to see it took you only 6 months to move on after creating this thread :rabada2
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yeh after winning and olympic gold, nothing else matters, thats what helped us move on..
 
Worth more than Champions Trophy for sure. Also interesting to see it took you only 6 months to move on after creating this thread :rabada2
yeh after winning and olympic gold, nothing else matters, thats what helped us move on..
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I disagree, t20 is the easiest tournament to win, it happens literally every 2 years and sometimes year after year. With so many tournaments happening straight after the other for t20, India was bound to win one eventually, And the format has lost its classic 2007-2014 feel.

CT and ODI World Cup don't happen that frequently and both are odi tournaments and pdi Is a much better and more historic format then t20.

Ofcourse odi wc is superior due to historic value + the fact it's more balanced whereas in CT despite it being 8 teams, a few victories and lucky calls can let you win.

However the format is odi and the tournament doesn't happen often.

T20 wc is a round lottery system at this point.
 
yeh after winning and olympic gold, nothing else matters, thats what helped us move on..

I disagree, t20 is the easiest tournament to win, it happens literally every 2 years and sometimes year after year. With so many tournaments happening straight after the other for t20, India was bound to win one eventually, And the format has lost its classic 2007-2014 feel.

CT and ODI World Cup don't happen that frequently and both are odi tournaments and pdi Is a much better and more historic format then t20.

Ofcourse odi wc is superior due to historic value + the fact it's more balanced whereas in CT despite it being 8 teams, a few victories and lucky calls can let you win.

However the format is odi and the tournament doesn't happen often.

T20 wc is a round lottery system at this point.
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I humbly disagree.

T20 being the shorter format removes the quality gap between sides. This means that there are virtually no minnows and any team can upset anyone on a given day.

ODIs & Test cricket require a certain type of skillset and more often than not better side comes out as winner.

The unpredictable nature of T20 cricket makes it difficult to win.
 
I humbly disagree.

T20 being the shorter format removes the quality gap between sides. This means that there are virtually no minnows and any team can upset anyone on a given day.

ODIs & Test cricket require a certain type of skillset and more often than not better side comes out as winner.

The unpredictable nature of T20 cricket makes it difficult to win.
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That's your opinion and I respect it, However I have 2 points.

A) T20 is a different format with its own rules and it's not like minnows beat stronger teams or that it's unpredictable. Afghanistan nearly beat Australia in 2023, they lost due to a once in a generational innings from Maxwell and obviously he can't do it every time.

Australia would never lose to Uganda in t20 cricket? Nor would India lose to Afghanistan? 95% od the time India would smack minnows on more occasions then not.

Yes winning in t20 and upsetting happens more often but it's not completely randomized.

B) T20 happens way way way too often, it happens so frequently infact that it's almost impossible for India, England and Australia to not win one eventually. Infact I'm suprised India went on such a dry streak for 11 years given how many t20 they played.

Odi and ct happens so infrequently and after a period of years teams also have to account for changes.

Fir example a side drastically chamging I'm 1 or 2 years usually doesn't happen, But 4 years and in it's case 8 years is alot. 90% of players in ct 2017 don't even exist now, teams have different captains, Different players, some aged players, so it's much much harder to maintain a streak.

This is why I view classic Australia triple wins as such an achievement. Whereas if classic Australia did this in t20 it wouldn't be a big deal as winning 3x in 6 years is different from winning 3x in 12

Edit: @Rajdeep
 
I humbly disagree.

T20 being the shorter format removes the quality gap between sides. This means that there are virtually no minnows and any team can upset anyone on a given day.

ODIs & Test cricket require a certain type of skillset and more often than not better side comes out as winner.

The unpredictable nature of T20 cricket makes it difficult to win.

That's your opinion and I respect it, However I have 2 points.

A) T20 is a different format with its own rules and it's not like minnows beat stronger teams or that it's unpredictable. Afghanistan nearly beat Australia in 2023, they lost due to a once in a generational innings from Maxwell and obviously he can't do it every time.

Australia would never lose to Uganda in t20 cricket? Nor would India lose to Afghanistan? 95% od the time India would smack minnows on more occasions then not.

Yes winning in t20 and upsetting happens more often but it's not completely randomized.

B) T20 happens way way way too often, it happens so frequently infact that it's almost impossible for India, England and Australia to not win one eventually. Infact I'm suprised India went on such a dry streak for 11 years given how many t20 they played.

Odi and ct happens so infrequently and after a period of years teams also have to account for changes.

Fir example a side drastically chamging I'm 1 or 2 years usually doesn't happen, But 4 years and in it's case 8 years is alot. 90% of players in ct 2017 don't even exist now, teams have different captains, Different players, some aged players, so it's much much harder to maintain a streak.

This is why I view classic Australia triple wins as such an achievement. Whereas if classic Australia did this in t20 it wouldn't be a big deal as winning 3x in 6 years is different from winning 3x in 12

Edit: @Rajdeep
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Correct order is

Test wins away from home (series) Sena for Asian teams
Odi world cup
T20 world cup
Champions trophy
Home test wins vs big teams
Asia cup

Then bilaterals like sahara cup Nehru cup Pepsi cup coco cola cup etc
 
does any one think india winning two gold medals in chess olympiad ( by both men's and women's) have made any difference 🤔 .They got 4 individual gold medals too.

Seems pak is 97 and 122 place out of 199 .they are happy to hold India flag and grab a pic.They were listening to Indian national anthem too .



@Hikaru @Aang_The_last_airbender
Doest magnus just own everyone? Ik he's leaving but chess got boring for a while because unless it's blitz chess, Magnus just kept winning and recking everyone for years.
 
Doest magnus just own everyone? Ik he's leaving but chess got boring for a while because unless it's blitz chess, Magnus just kept winning and recking everyone for years.
I know Magnus is goat.Magnus was playing in the Olympiad . he did not win any gold medal for his country too and lost a match too. It's a reminder for the op about the number of medals and unnecessary chest thumping in the above posts.Making it nauseous instead of enjoying a rare gem results in embarassment.He even felt listening to pak nation anthem for an Indian silver medlaist is embarrassing.so pak team now listened to it twice standing outside of the podium.jist want to keep his emotions in check
 
Doest magnus just own everyone? Ik he's leaving but chess got boring for a while because unless it's blitz chess, Magnus just kept winning and recking everyone for years.
Magnus is the true GOAT. But Olympiad is a team event. Rest of the Norwegian team is not that good. Hence Olympiad is one of the rare things missing from his trophy cabinet.
Magnus is still the mater of Blitz and Rapid, only true champ of fast chess was Vishy Anand.
 
does any one think india winning two gold medals in chess olympiad ( by both men's and women's) have made any difference 🤔 .They got 4 individual gold medals too.

Seems pak is 97 and 122 place out of 199 .they are happy to hold India flag and grab a pic.They were listening to Indian national anthem too .



@Hikaru @Aang_The_last_airbender
Pakistan had sent the youngest contestant, Aayat, a 12 year old. But considering her 1400 ELO it seems hardly anyone in Pakistan plays chess.

India will be dominating chess for the foreseeable future as we are producing most GMs per year than any other country.
Gukesh, Pragg and Arjun are just 18,19 and 20 respectively. Quite a few young teens in the pipeline as well.
 
Pakistan had sent the youngest contestant, Aayat, a 12 year old. But considering her 1400 ELO it seems hardly anyone in Pakistan plays chess.
Yeah even that 9 year old indian origin British girl had 2185 elo.I think we are going to stay at the top for a long time as all of our players are quite young.Its like soviet bloc of old times
 
"In sport, there's nothing more satisfying than hearing a big crowd go silent and that's the aim for us"

He did what he said. #OnThisDay last year 🥶

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A.day of complete satisfaction, like all fantasies fulfilled nothing can top this

Erne Stadion Erne Pokal gone to bin, Cummins respect increased manifolds since that day.
 
A.day of complete satisfaction, like all fantasies fulfilled nothing can top this

Erne Stadion Erne Pokal gone to bin, Cummins respect increased manifolds since that day.
So basically you were satisfied that another team did the job for you which your team couldnt do.
 
Got over it after watching us win the World T20 and USA beating Pakistan in the Super Over.

What a great tournament in the Caribbean.
 
A.day of complete satisfaction, like all fantasies fulfilled nothing can top this

I am assuming there is no comparison with defending 119 in NYC and winning the WT20 for Indian fans. Your fantasies for the win 👍
 
Lol by winning the T20 WC. Only winners can make a come back and India did have a perfect LOI tournament.

Ones who are bottom of the table can never have such statements but more along the lines” how more can they be humiliated “ well lose to Afghans or USA.
 
Got over it after watching us win the World T20 and USA beating Pakistan in the Super Over.

What a great tournament in the Caribbean.
Rizwan’s cowardly shot against Bumrah and Our oracle engineer’s win definitely helped.
It was a weird tournament PcT played cowardly throughout
 
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