How can India recover from the humiliating ICC ODI World Cup 2023 final loss?

99.99% of Indian fans are burning and hurting inside. This is evident from the fact that said fans continue to talk about Pakistan.

There are Indian fans who have not recovered from Javed Miandad's last ball 6 in 1986 vs India. That was almost 40 years ago! SO, this WC Final loss will haunt and echo India for decades to come!
What India has since then pummeled Pakistan in every wc match we have played against you. You really think that people care about a random match in Sharjah almost 40 years ago.

But I know pakistani fans will never be able to recover from 2007&2011. Losing to your biggest rivals in a final and semis of wcs will always remain with you.

That's why you have been to the same amount of semis as kenya since 1999
 
so west indies has 1 icc trophy in the lst 10 year and India has none

more embarrassment for India.
West Indies have won more icc trophies than Pakistan. That's shameful. Gayle has the same amount of trophies as Pakistan in their entire history
 
What India has since then pummeled Pakistan in every wc match we have played against you. You really think that people care about a random match in Sharjah almost 40 years ago.

But I know pakistani fans will never be able to recover from 2007&2011. Losing to your biggest rivals in a final and semis of wcs will always remain with you.

That's why you have been to the same amount of semis as kenya since 1999

2007 and 2011 don't bother us anymore.

Because you got treatment in CT17 final.
 
2007 and 2011 bother us anymore.

Because you got treatment in CT17 final.
Surely a wc is bigger than a champions Trophy. Theres a reason why 1992 was the biggest moment in your history and not 2017. India won 2 wc knockouts, so in what world does 1 match in a lesser tournament make up for it
 
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You din't prove jack. You are assuming the resources/parameters that belong to India are equal to those of South Africa and Pakistan. This is where your whole 'argument ' falls over.
Then why don't you prove your assertion. Why didn't acknowledgement by South Africa helped bring a positive outcome.

Go on. I have patience.
 
You have to be good enough to reach final to "bottle" it.

When will Pakistan be good enough to make a WTC Final?

This is Arteta mentality, we finished 2nd so we are great lol.

Please come to Anfield, Ill take you on a tour of our trophy cabinet. Im using this football example to explain coming 2nd is still a dusty empty trophy cabinet. If this is success, you are not elite in this sport.
 
Rinku has taken revenge of 2015 WC, 2023 WTC Final and most importantly 2023 WC
Through this one Six lol

EPIC
India has recovered looking at the crowd reaction
 
India go 1 up in the series continuing their sensational form from WC, it's 10 in 11 now for India albeit a hiccup in one game they are unstoppable unbeatable Muhammad Kaif vindicated , Australia be scared be very scared
 
Pakistan has also won T20 WC, made 2 finals in T20 WC and a CT also got Test mace, What has Kenya got talk nah!
There is difference between world cup and Wt20 :kp .and i replied a poster who said india = South Africa. We have won most nom of icc event after Australia. Dont even remember how many times we won test mace
 
Good.

It is like saying West Indies was better than South Africa in the 2004-2016 period because they won 3 trophies and South Africa didn’t win any.

The only trophy that matters is the ODI World Cup and Pakistan haven’t made a final in 24 years.

Pakistani fans are so used to mediocrity that it is what they thrive in. They have no taste for success.

They have no idea what it means to win a Test series in Australia, let alone back to back, make WTC Finals etc., be consistently ranked in the top 2 etc. because they cannot even dream about these things.

Give them a fluke CT win and 6th/7th ranking sprinkled with whitewash in Australia and they are happy.
That might be the only trophy that matters to you but you can't speak for others

The reality is we have won a trophy more recently than you have? Even if it is less considered than the ODI World Cup

Until you lot win a trophy your recent "success" levels means as much as Pakistan's (less so really since CT > Nothing)
 
There is difference between world cup and Wt20 :kp .and i replied a poster who said india = South Africa. We have won most nom of icc event after Australia. Dont even remember how many times we won test mace
Pakistan won T20 WC in England, tough conditions for batsmen, Won CT in Emgland in early season when bowl swings in degrees , reached the final of T20 WC in Australia another tough place for subcontinent sides, won Test mace playing games away from home in
empty stadiums quite an achievement
 
Oh, so you are asserting that acknowledgement will work for India, and doesn't work for South Africa? Why is that so?

Listen mate, this isn't rocket science. Not all teams have the same quality of resources/parameters/methods/etc.

Just because it didn't work for South Africa, doesn't mean it won't work for India. You have extrapolated from a small sample and come up with a false conclusion.

Perhaps the way SA went to address their failures was not sufficient and India may do it differently. We don't know but nothing is proven at this stage.
 
Pakistan won T20 WC in England, tough conditions for batsmen, Won CT in Emgland in early season when bowl swings in degrees , reached the final of T20 WC in Australia another tough place for subcontinent sides, won Test mace playing games away from home in
empty stadiums quite an achievement
Read my first statement. There is different between World cup and Wt20.
 
(Question) what was the highlight of 2023 for Pakistani cricket fans?

(Answer) India losing the World Cup and WTC Finals

This fact sums up the state of Pakistani cricket fans.
 
Even more embarrassment for the Indian Cricket Team. Part of Australia’s planning was to have Kohli, the supposed GOAT, batting with Rahul early and together. They knew that neither of these guys could beat them - they were more afraid of Iyer doing damage in the middle overs.

How can someone be the greatest batsmen ever when the opposition fears Shreyas Iyer more than him?
 
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2007 and 2011 don't bother us anymore.

Because you got treatment in CT17 final.
Yeah this is exactly right. A final in an ICC trophy between the two biggest rivals - it doesn’t get much bigger than that. Not to mention the 152-0 in the T20 WC.
 
Yeah this is exactly right. A final in an ICC trophy between the two biggest rivals - it doesn’t get much bigger than that. Not to mention the 152-0 in the T20 WC.
152-0 and Champions Trophy Final don’t compensate for the lose Pakistan have had from India in every ODI World Cup.

Besides, what is even your point - are you trying to suggest that Pakistan has been a more successful team than India across formats over the last 10 years?
 
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Firstly, Kohli is one of the greatest ever and he doesn’t need stamp of approval from Pakistani fans who have never - and will never - produce a batsman anywhere as good as him.

Secondly, it goes without saying that Iyer is India’s most dangerous middle-order batsman in terms of his ability to play explosive innings.

That has been his role in this World Cup and he has executed it to perfection in almost every match except 1-2.

Kohli has a different role and he has executed it to perfection too, i.e. to hold the innings together and bat through. That is what has allowed the likes of Rohit and Iyer to bat super-aggressively.

The whole point of trying to get Kohli and Rahul at the crease together early was to contain the scoring rate because Kohli was not going to stray away from his role in the side and someone like Rahul is much more prone to getting bogged down than someone like Iyer.
 
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Yeah this is exactly right. A final in an ICC trophy between the two biggest rivals - it doesn’t get much bigger than that. Not to mention the 152-0 in the T20 WC.
You're being deliberately dishonest to yourself. We defeated you in the final of the 1985 B&H World Championship of Cricket. Yet, we have never tried using it to boast against you throughout the 80's and the 90's, despite that we also defeated you in the 92', 96', and the 99' WC matches. And that's simply because we knew you were the better team. No point in us being dishonest to ourselves.

It's Pak fans who can't face the truth that bring up that CT final in 2017 at every opportunity because they have nothing left to argue with. CT is a joke, that has held very little prestige over the years. Teams like South Africa and New Zealand have won it, and yet they don't consider it anything significant. They know the ODI WC is the pinnacle in LOI. Even West Indies after their epic decline won the CT in 2004.
 
And yes, we were left disappointed in this year's WC. But that's not the end of the world. We all live and hope better things in the future. You achieve things by being patient and hopeful. Back in the 1990's, if you would have told an Indian fan that we would someday win 2 back to back Test series in Australia, we would have said one of the below -

1. Either the person saying it is kidding.

2. Or, Australia would have to decline to the level of West Indies by then.

If our team having the worst bowling attack in the world back in the 1990's can achieve it, it's no point losing hope in a WC final defeat. My mantra is simply, enjoy the game as much as you can and celebrate your success whenever the time comes.
 
8-0 record is called domination.

Thread is about whether you feel humiliated or not, or how you can recover.

How does Pakistan figure into this?

It's a loss, deal with it and move on.
 
Thread is about whether you feel humiliated or not, or how you can recover.

How does Pakistan figure into this?

It's a loss, deal with it and move on.
I replied to a guy who was talking about CT . Im already move on as no point of crying about final lose .
 
And yes, we were left disappointed in this year's WC. But that's not the end of the world. We all live and hope better things in the future. You achieve things by being patient and hopeful. Back in the 1990's, if you would have told an Indian fan that we would someday win 2 back to back Test series in Australia, we would have said one of the below -

1. Either the person saying it is kidding.

2. Or, Australia would have to decline to the level of West Indies by then.

If our team having the worst bowling attack in the world back in the 1990's can achieve it, it's no point losing hope in a WC final defeat. My mantra is simply, enjoy the game as much as you can and celebrate your success whenever the time comes.
But that time hasn't come in 10 years now. How much longer are you willing to wait?
 
What 30 years? Both 180 runs and 152-0 happened within the last few years.

Pakistan hasn't defeated India in a world cup match since 1992.

What 180? CT is a tier 2-3 event.

There is WTC for tests, World cup for ODIs and T20WC for T20s. What is CT for, except to earn ICC few bucks.

After that 152-0 Pakistan has lost to India thrice. Lol.
 
Firstly, Kohli is one of the greatest ever and he doesn’t need stamp of approval from Pakistani fans who have never - and will never - produce a batsman anywhere as good as him.

Secondly, it goes without saying that Iyer is India’s most dangerous middle-order batsman in terms of his ability to play explosive innings.

That has been his role in this World Cup and he has executed it to perfection in almost every match except 1-2.

Kohli has a different role and he has executed it to perfection too, i.e. to hold the innings together and bat through. That is what has allowed the likes of Rohit and Iyer to bat super-aggressively.

The whole point of trying to get Kohli and Rahul at the crease together early was to contain the scoring rate because Kohli was not going to stray away from his role in the side and someone like Rahul is much more prone to getting bogged down than someone like Iyer.
10 years ago

ICC tournament count:
Australia 6
India 5

Then Virat "King" Kohli happened. The Indian team started revolving around him

In 2023,
Australia 10
India still 5 lol

Plus, greatest evers do not get out on single figures in
2015 WC semi-final
2017 CT final
2019 WC semi-final
India lost all 3 matches. All 3 were run-chases- something your greatest ever is supposed to be good at
 
You would think India/BCCI would have learned from the humilation bestowed upon them at the CT17 final, but no, like clockwork, the arrogance continued. Billion Dollar IPL we were told. The greatest ODI Indian team was the claim. GOAT this GOAT that. Some of the greatest hits were out before and during the WC.

But no, if being humiliating at the CT17 final in the motherland vs arch rivals was not enough, losing at the WC final at home was the cherry on the cake.

Turns out, Cummins decision to field first was after consulting Aussie IPL players on how the black soil would play out under lights. How ironic, India couldn’t read the pitch, but foreign IPL players could - more humiliation
 
But that time hasn't come in 10 years now. How much longer are you willing to wait?
We have won the ultimate prize in ODI cricket twice. So it's not like us not winning it in the last 3 editions makes us desperate. I couldn't care for T20 cricket. I wish we win the WTC once.
 
Pakistan hasn't defeated India in a world cup match since 1992.

What 180? CT is a tier 2-3 event.

There is WTC for tests, World cup for ODIs and T20WC for T20s. What is CT for, except to earn ICC few bucks.

After that 152-0 Pakistan has lost to India thrice. Lol.

Lol no one except you cares about thrice when 152-0 just happend barely two years ago.
 
Pakistan hasn't defeated India in a world cup match since 1992.

What 180? CT is a tier 2-3 event.

There is WTC for tests, World cup for ODIs and T20WC for T20s. What is CT for, except to earn ICC few bucks.

After that 152-0 Pakistan has lost to India thrice. Lol.
If CT was just to earn ICC a few bucks we would not have seen such an extreme meltdown amongst Indian cricket fans after they were demolished in the finals.
 
180 runs and 152-0 are more humiliating kind of dominations though, I think everyone would agree.

How about losing a cricket match by 229 runs and losing 8 wickets for 36 runs in 2 back to back matches 20 odd days apart? That is the ultimate definition of humiliation...accepting it or not is separate story

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How about losing a cricket match by 229 runs and losing 8 wickets for 36 runs in 2 back to back matches 20 odd days apart? That is the ultimate definition of humiliation...accepting it or not is separate story

😊

If thats your ultimate definition of humiliation we would all be interested to know what you would consider 152-0 then.
 
There will never be a recovery, until the fair weather fans who pump up the spineless cowards when it suits them (before predictably going humiliatingly squeaky as Pat had predicted), manage to arrange the whole team a replacement for their chicken hearts.
 
If thats your ultimate definition of humiliation we would all be interested to know what you would consider 152-0 then.

Not sure if you are serious.

Chasing 152 runs in 120 balls without losing a wicket though bad but far from humiliation. Compare it with losing an ODI game that lasts for 300 balls by 229 odd runs and within 20 days lose another game by collapsing 8 wickets for only 36 runs. That 152/0 was anomaly and India played 3 T20s against Pakistan since and won 2 of them. They could have won the 3rd one as well had Arshdeep not dropped that catch. On the other hand in last 10 years, Ind and Pak played 8 ODIs where India won 7 off them.

You should never compare T20 cricket with ODIs. Eng also beaten India 172/0 in WT20 semi finals but I am sure no one remembers it. The only reason Pakistani fans cling onto that 152/0 bcoz the wins are so few and far in between.

#FACTS
🙂
 
This thread is not about India Pakistan Guys. Please stop this comparison now and accept the fact that India lost the final and Pakistan has a poor record against India in ICC events. Now stay on topic and suggest how India can recover from that defeat in the final. Thanks
 
There will never be a recovery, until the fair weather fans who pump up the spineless cowards when it suits them (before predictably going humiliatingly squeaky as Pat had predicted), manage to arrange the whole team a replacement for their chicken hearts.
India already recovered from 36 all out and they will recover from this also
 
Indian fans seem to be over the loss and quite proud of their team.

Pakistanis are more concerned about the Indian team.

More often than not India has outperformed pakistani team in last 2 decades.

Posters who were hiding through most of the world cup are suddenly appearing and posting.

India beat Pakistan
India reached the finals
Highest wicket taker and run scorer are Indian.

Indians are okay with this performance.

If pakistanis are not happy, they should complain to PCB. Why are they crying to Indians?

This attempt to troll isn't working.
 
This thread is not about India Pakistan Guys. Please stop this comparison now and accept the fact that India lost the final and Pakistan has a poor record against India in ICC events. Now stay on topic and suggest how India can recover from that defeat in the final. Thanks

There is nothing to recover.

You recover when you have played poorly.

India played well, Australia player better.

I don't know why you guys think there is something to recover.
 
If its in Lahore.
Everyone knows it won’t be (or at least, India won’t be playing their games in Pakistan).

So, why not cut out the nonsense over the next two years — the ICC (BCCI) should decide where it’s going to be held and players, administrators etc can start preparing for conditions there.
 
Within a months by winning South Africa test series .when will be Pakistan recover ?

How are you so sure India will win it?

India have never won a Test series in South Africa. They lost the last series too (with a strong team).
 
How are you so sure India will win it?

India have never won a Test series in South Africa. They lost the last series too (with a strong team).

Rohit and Jadeja weren't available. It wasn't a full strength side.
 
What can Jadeja do in South Africa? It is pace-friendly.

Rohit wasn't mainstream in Test then (if I remember correctly).

Jadeja has a 6-fer in South Africa. Even if he doesn't contribute with bowl, he can play a major role with bat. Averages 43 with bat in Australia, has a hundred in England.

Ofcourse Rohit was mainstream in Test by then. A much bigger upgrade over Mayank. Rohit after recovering from injury played a big role in England series and was India's best batsman in England. He was actually the best batsman in the country at that time with Pant being close second on form.
 
Jadeja has a 6-fer in South Africa. Even if he doesn't contribute with bowl, he can play a major role with bat. Averages 43 with bat in Australia, has a hundred in England.

Ofcourse Rohit was mainstream in Test by then. A much bigger upgrade over Mayank. Rohit after recovering from injury played a big role in England series and was India's best batsman in England. He was actually the best batsman in the country at that time with Pant being close second on form.

Even if India come in with a full side, they may not win in South Africa.

Only two teams generally win in South Africa (Australia and England).

SL won once but that was a fluke.
 
Not sure if you are serious.

Chasing 152 runs in 120 balls without losing a wicket though bad but far from humiliation. Compare it with losing an ODI game that lasts for 300 balls by 229 odd runs and within 20 days lose another game by collapsing 8 wickets for only 36 runs. That 152/0 was anomaly and India played 3 T20s against Pakistan since and won 2 of them. They could have won the 3rd one as well had Arshdeep not dropped that catch. On the other hand in last 10 years, Ind and Pak played 8 ODIs where India won 7 off them.

You should never compare T20 cricket with ODIs. Eng also beaten India 172/0 in WT20 semi finals but I am sure no one remembers it. The only reason Pakistani fans cling onto that 152/0 bcoz the wins are so few and far in between.

#FACTS
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Ok, as you wish, let's talk about 180 runs then..
 
Ok, as you wish, let's talk about 180 runs then..

That was a big defeat but considering in last 10 years we played 8 ODIs and India won 7 off them, that will go down as an anomaly as well. I empathise with you but unfortunately there is no parameter that can prove India been humiliated more than Pakistan in recent times. Your best bet is to cheer for Aussies rather than making it an Indo-Pak debate.
 
Even if India come in with a full side, they may not win in South Africa.

Only two teams generally win in South Africa (Australia and England).

SL won once but that was a fluke.

South Africa have weakened as a team in last 3-4 years. They don't have enough batsman who average even 40+ which wasn't the case before 2018.

Kallis, Smith, ABD, Amla, Kirsten, Gibbs are all better batsman than whatever they have now. This opens a great chance to other teams, especially those who are still strong, like India, Aus, Eng and NZ to tour SA and win series too. Hence, India will always have a good chance to win the series there considering they have good bowling. Their batting will probably decide the fate of the team, especially the likes of Rahul, Gill and S Iyer as they have replaced Pujara and Rahane.
 
South Africa have weakened as a team in last 3-4 years. They don't have enough batsman who average even 40+ which wasn't the case before 2018.

Kallis, Smith, ABD, Amla, Kirsten, Gibbs are all better batsman than whatever they have now. This opens a great chance to other teams, especially those who are still strong, like India, Aus, Eng and NZ to tour SA and win series too. Hence, India will always have a good chance to win the series there considering they have good bowling. Their batting will probably decide the fate of the team, especially the likes of Rahul, Gill and S Iyer as they have replaced Pujara and Rahane.

Have India not been weakened in Test format also? They mostly win at home and beat SL, Windies, and BD. They generally always lose in New Zealand and South Africa. They drew in England.

South Africa have a pretty strong Test side currently. Their bowling attack is excellent (Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje, Jansen, and Maharaj). Batting isn't too bad either.
 
Have India not weakened in Test format also?

South Africa have a pretty strong Test side currently. Their bowling attack is excellent (Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje, Jansen, and Maharaj). Batting isn't too bad either.

They drew a test series in England recently. They used to get whitewashed in 2010s there. Pujara and Rahane are removed from this side now. Kohli has regained his form too.

None of South African batsman average 40. That's how bad it is. Bavuma is a good test batsman but don't have fitness to score hundreds even. Pace attack is good in pace friendly conditions but these guys have showed enough weakness now whether it is Rabada or Ngidi or Jansen.
 
Have India not been weakened in Test format also? They mostly win at home and beat SL, Windies, and BD. They generally always lose in New Zealand and South Africa. They drew in England.

South Africa have a pretty strong Test side currently. Their bowling attack is excellent (Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje, Jansen, and Maharaj). Batting isn't too bad either.

How conveniently you have omitted the wins in Australia.
 
They drew a test series in England recently. They used to get whitewashed in 2010s there. Pujara and Rahane are removed from this side now. Kohli has regained his form too.

None of South African batsman average 40. That's how bad it is. Bavuma is a good test batsman but don't have fitness to score hundreds even. Pace attack is good in pace friendly conditions but these guys have showed enough weakness now whether it is Rabada or Ngidi or Jansen.

Anyway, let's see what happens.

India have never won a Test series in South Africa and I don't see that changing next month. South Africa are favorites. Their Test bowling attack should cause problems to India.
 
In last three editions of the ODI World Cup, India has won 1 Knockout game whereas Australia has won 4.

Let this sink in.
 
Anyway, let's see what happens.

India have never won a Test series in South Africa and I don't see that changing next month. South Africa are favorites. Their Test bowling attack should cause problems to India.

Unless its a minnow like WI or BD teams are usually favourites at home.
 
How conveniently you have omitted the wins in Australia.

How conveniently you have ignored the Test series losses in NZ and SA. How about that drawn series in England?

We have to keep in mind Australia back then were transitioning. They had a makeshift captain (Tim Paine).

If India tour Aussies now, India are likely to lose (like they lost the WTC final).
 
How conveniently you have ignored the Test series losses in NZ and SA. How about that drawn series in England?

We have to keep in mind Australia back then were transitioning. They had a makeshift captain (Tim Paine).

If India tour Aussies now, India are likely to lose (like they lost the WTC final).

Teams have lost in England. Australia and India have drawn. Its a good result.

Australia were transitioning in 2020? What other excuse do you have?
 
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