How can India recover from the humiliating ICC ODI World Cup 2023 final loss?

[Amjid Javed]

India should play a Tri series with South Africa and New Zealand called the chockers Cup, maybe they may get over this humiliation

 

[KingKhanWC]

This the mentality of Pakistanis. Pakistan haven't reached the Semis in 3 editions and pakistanis are more concerned about taunting the runners-up.

No wonder Pakistan team is struggling in 2 out of 3 formats anf if this continues, the third format strugg isn't far away.

2nd or 3rd or 6th means nothing, only winning does. This is loser mentality.

This thread is about India btw.

Do you agree with Kaif the best side didnt win the tournament?

 

[Amjid Javed]

This the mentality of Pakistanis. Pakistan haven't reached the Semis in 3 editions and pakistanis are more concerned about taunting the runners-up.

No wonder Pakistan team is struggling in 2 out of 3 formats anf if this continues, the third format strugg isn't far away.

Here's a novel idea, why don't you tell us why India couldn't handle pressure in final?

Instead your talking about Pakistan.

 

[Amjid Javed]

2nd or 3rd or 6th means nothing, only winning does. This is loser mentality.

This thread is about India btw.

Do you agree with Kaif the best side didnt win the tournament?

Exactly either a team wins trophy or they have failed.

Sport is about elite mentality.

 

[Suleiman]

2nd or 3rd or 6th means nothing, only winning does. This is loser mentality.

This thread is about India btw.

Do you agree with Kaif the best side didnt win the tournament?

2nd place is the first loser.

 

[Major]

I will tell you what real humiliation is in Cricketing terms... losing to Afghanistan or Netherlands in ODI Cricket. Or never winning a single ODI in WC against your arch rivals

Or losing to BD, WI and SL in Test Cricket.

Or losing every ICC tournament for the last 10 years

 

[uppercut]

2nd or 3rd or 6th means nothing, only winning does.

So Everyone on the final table after Aus is equal ? So Ind,Pak,NZ,SA,Eng = Netherland and so on ?

 

[KingKhanWC]

So Everyone on the final table after Aus is equal ? So Ind,Pak,NZ,SA,Eng = Netherland and so on ?

Yes.... see wooden empty trophy cabinet for further details.

 

[uppercut]

Yes.... see wooden empty trophy cabinet for further details.

You tell me, for instance we still have FAAR more trophies than your team ... and lets not even talk about Test cricket ... lol

 

[KingKhanWC]

You tell me, for instance we still have FAAR more trophies than your team ... and lets not even talk about Test cricket ... lol

India have never won a test championship, played 2 finals , bottled 2 finals.

Both Ind and Pak have 1 T20 world trophy. India has 1 more world cup trophy and yes that year Pak and others may have finished bottom or final, still walk away with the chai flask only.

If you're talking head to head....see the stats.

Can I ask why many Indians fans are hurting so much over this loss?

 

[uppercut]

India have never won a test championship, played 2 finals , bottled 2 finals.

Both Ind and Pak have 1 T20 world trophy. India has 1 more world cup trophy and yes that year Pak and others may have finished bottom or final, still walk away with the chai flask only.

If you're talking head to head....see the stats.

Did you forget CT ? Did you forget Test Cricket where Ind is the only country to have won back to back Test series in Aus in over 30+ yrs ? Try again ... lol

Can I ask why many Indians fans are hurting so much over this loss?

No hurt here ( Iam not a teenager ) .... just find it very amusing to see Padosees Celebrating for 3 days when the rude fact is that your team lost miserably to AFG and ofcourse the never ending 8-0 against arch rivals. So again you tell me. lol

 

[Mamoon]

India have never won a test championship, played 2 finals , bottled 2 finals.

Both Ind and Pak have 1 T20 world trophy. India has 1 more world cup trophy and yes that year Pak and others may have finished bottom or final, still walk away with the chai flask only.

If you're talking head to head....see the stats.

Can I ask why many Indians fans are hurting so much over this loss?

You have to be good enough to reach final to "bottle" it.

When will Pakistan be good enough to make a WTC Final?

 

[Mamoon]

Or losing every ICC tournament for the last 10 years

Or losing every single Test match in Australia since 1999 and losing every ODI World Cup match to India in history.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Is that why they haven't won the Border Gavaskar trophy since 2014 despite 2 of those series being at home ? The last time they won a Test series in India was 2004 so much for winning mentality.

At least check which thread you are posting in before getting hurt unnecessarily. Thread is about World Cup. We are not discussing bilaterals here. They have won 6 world cups. Have some respect for that nation as a true sports lover.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What's hurting Indian fans the most here? Losing the final or Pakistani fans giving them a taste of their own medicine? It's a banter. If you can't take it back, don't dish it out. Don't act like sore losers because you can never stop your arch rivals fans from sprinkling some salt on your wounds. This is what Indian fans were doing to Pakistan before the final everywhere. If you as an Indian fan can do a bhangra when Afghanistan beats Pakistan then Pakistani fans can also do a Bharatnatyam when Australia beats India in the final.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Did you forget CT ? Did you forget Test Cricket where Ind is the only country to have won back to back Test series in Aus in over 30+ yrs ? Try again ... lol



No hurt here ( Iam not a teenager ) .... just find it very amusing to see Padosees Celebrating for 3 days when the rude fact is that your team lost miserably to AFG and ofcourse the never ending 8-0 against arch rivals. So again you tell me. lol

Let them celebrate till the next world cup. Why are you getting bothered lol? Thread talks about how can India recover from this loss but you are busy stopping Pakistanis from celebrating Australia's win. Let me tell you something. Not only Pakistanis but even some England fans, most Bangladeshis, Lankans are also celebrating Australian win. Do you know why?

 

[uppercut]

At least check which thread you are posting in before getting hurt unnecessarily. Thread is about World Cup. We are not discussing bilaterals here. They have won 6 world cups. Have some respect for that nation as a true sports lover.

Ahh .. so Test Cricket and ODI cricket are two different sports all together with no connection whatsover ... never knew ... my bad.

 

[uppercut]

Or losing every single Test match in Australia since 1999 and losing every ODI World Cup match to India in history.

Thats cold. Didnt want to go there but taking 60+ yrs to win in WI ( that too due to sheer luck ) should deserve a mention.

 

[Major]

Or losing every single Test match in Australia since 1999 and losing every ODI World Cup match to India in history.

and yet we have an icc trophy from 2017 and India doesnt have a single one from last 10 years.

no matter how you spin it, only india looks bad

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

This the mentality of Pakistanis. Pakistan haven't reached the Semis in 3 editions and pakistanis are more concerned about taunting the runners-up.

No wonder Pakistan team is struggling in 2 out of 3 formats anf if this continues, the third format strugg isn't far away.

So if Pakistan fans remained silent and didn't mock India for losing or take enjoyment in them, would that mean Pakistan will suddenly reach the semi finals?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ahh .. so Test Cricket and ODI cricket are two different sports all together with no connection whatsover ... never knew ... my bad.

India lost to Australia in the World Test Championship final also.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So if Pakistan fans remained silent and didn't mock India for losing or take enjoyment in them, would that mean Pakistan will suddenly reach the semi finals?

If Indian fans become humble, will it mean India will start winning finals?

This is just the usual hatred among indians and pakistanis which masquerades as sporting banter or trolling. Nothing more.

 

[CricketCartoons]

and yet we have an icc trophy from 2017 and India doesnt have a single one from last 10 years.

no matter how you spin it, only india looks bad

Not at all, there are many ways to spin it, with different conclusions.

ICC trophy, last 10 years is one way to spin it. And makes India look bad, Pakistan better.
ICC trophy, last 15 years is another way to spin it, Makes India look better.
ODI world cups, last 15 years, makes india look better.
World cup head to head, makes india look better.
Overall ODI head to head, makes Pakistan look better.

So you are wrong, there are many ways to spin it. You can pick the ones which looks best for you.

 

[uppercut]

India lost to Australia in the World Test Championship final also.

Don't you go whining on how flawed the WTC is ? .... well to be "fair" you also attach an asterix to series that didn't pan out according to your wishes a.k.a the 2018/19 Series in AUS ... so tell me something new. ... else I too can start assigning asterix's to series that didnt end well for India. Now what ?

 

[uppercut]

Not at all, there are many ways to spin it, with different conclusions.

ICC trophy, last 10 years is one way to spin it. And makes India look bad, Pakistan better.
ICC trophy, last 15 years is another way to spin it, Makes India look better.
ODI world cups, last 15 years, makes india look better.
World cup head to head, makes india look better.
Overall ODI head to head, makes Pakistan look better.

So you are wrong, there are many ways to spin it. You can pick the ones which looks best for you.

Add these

Benson and Hedges Worcld Championship circa 1985
Champions trophy 2002(shared) + 2013
Countless Asia cups

 

[Champ_Pal]

Add these

Benson and Hedges Worcld Championship circa 1985
Champions trophy 2002(shared) + 2013
Countless Asia cups

Asia cups don’t matter much. All of Lanka, Pak and BD are a joke. Afg is still a newbie.

 

[uppercut]

Asia cups don’t matter much. All of Lanka, Pak and BD are a joke. Afg is still a newbie.

So what stops Pak from winning them ? And how did the most recent encounter with AFG in WC work out from Pak ?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Asia cups don’t matter much. All of Lanka, Pak and BD are a joke. Afg is still a newbie.

Then why everyone hates to lose to BD?

 

[BouncerGuy]

This thread is about india's defeat. Why do we bring BD sri lanka and other teams here. Just stay ont topic. BTW india's defeat to australia is history now. Learn few things from that and move on guys. No need to keep whining about that defeat. One team has to win and australia was that team.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

If Indian fans become humble, will it mean India will start winning finals?

This is just the usual hatred among indians and pakistanis which masquerades as sporting banter or trolling. Nothing more.

Since you ask the question I do think an overall reduction in arrogance (from media, pundits and some fans) would certainly help however I've not made the claim that being humble = winning

Yet, I was responding to a post which claims a direct link between laughing at your biggest rivals (which is normal behaviour in sports) and the teams performance. There are many reasons Pakistan aren't a consistently top side, laughing at India when they lose isn't it

 

[Devadwal]

India need to win the upcoming india vs South Africa test series ( don't care about Limited over ) to recover and make fan like me happy again

 

[BouncerGuy]

India need to win the upcoming india vs South Africa test series ( don't care about Limited over ) to recover and make fan like me happy again

India already has a chance to make you happy by white washing Australia in the t20 series.

 

[Devadwal]

India already has a chance to make you happy by white washing Australia in the t20 series.

I am big fan of test cricket so don't care about this series . I'll definitely watch a full test series involving Australia, England, South Africa ,NZ against india anywhere over t20 series . We won a test series every where apart from South Africa so this is final frontier for us .egarly waiting for South Africa tour.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Since you ask the question I do think an overall reduction in arrogance (from media, pundits and some fans) would certainly help however I've not made the claim that being humble = winning

Yet, I was responding to a post which claims a direct link between laughing at your biggest rivals (which is normal behaviour in sports) and the teams performance. There are many reasons Pakistan aren't a consistently top side, laughing at India when they lose isn't it

What is wrong with arrogance or overconfidence of the fans? Whether it is humility or arrogance, the fans tie their self esteem with the performance of the team ( it is silly, but that's the way it works). Why would one want everyone to show humility? Does that make one feel more insecure? What is with expecting others to behave the way I like, even when their behavior is not directly affecting me? What sort of behavior fascism is this?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Don't you go whining on how flawed the WTC is ? .... well to be "fair" you also attach an asterix to series that didn't pan out according to your wishes a.k.a the 2018/19 Series in AUS ... so tell me something new. ... else I too can start assigning asterix's to series that didnt end well for India. Now what ?

Are you running out of ideas to stay relevant in this discussion? Once again this thread is about the loss in the world cup but you are bringing 2018/2019 test series? Tell me why should I talk about those series in this thread and where did I whine about WTC lol. The only thing I want from ICC is to make WTC final best of three finals and thats a suggestion.

 

[Devadwal]

Are you running out of ideas to stay relevant in this discussion? Once again this thread is about the loss in the world cup but you are bringing 2018/2019 test series? Tell me why should I talk about those series in this thread and where did I whine about WTC lol. The only thing I want from ICC is to make WTC final best of three finals and thats a suggestion.

If you have chose to one option then what will you chose - winning of WTC final or Winning back to back test series in Australia or South Africa?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Stay on topic guys. Stop discussing the past series here.... please

 

[flawed_genius]

What is wrong with arrogance or overconfidence of the fans? Whether it is humility or arrogance, the fans tie their self esteem with the performance of the team ( it is silly, but that's the way it works). Why would one want everyone to show humility? Does that make one feel more insecure? What is with expecting others to behave the way I like, even when their behavior is not directly affecting me? What sort of behavior fascism is this?

What is so hard to grasp here?

If a set of fans are overconfident and display arrogance about their team and their team then proceeds to choke and falls flat on their faces, then, they will be mocked and brought back down to earth.

This isn't rocket science. This has happened throughout the history of sport. Fans regulate their own behaviour but don't expect to be given a pass if your behaviour is obnoxious.

 

[uppercut]

Are you running out of ideas to stay relevant in this discussion?

Absolutely not ...but considering that you have abandoned your favorite idiotic inti smiley I think this is headed in the right direction

Once again this thread is about the loss in the world cup but you are bringing 2018/2019 test series? Tell me why should I talk about those series in this thread

Because in an effort to blatantly troll you tried to fire from someone else's shoulder saying "No one can match the Aussies when it comes to winning mentality" ... and therefore I had to bring you down to earth.

and where did I whine about WTC lol.

lol ... do you really want me to reproduce your pathetic posts on that topic ?

The only thing I want from ICC is to make WTC final best of three finals and thats a suggestion.

awww .... how considerate .... does it occur to you that the ODI/T20WC are in a bigger need of a play-off than WTC ? Ask me why and I will educate you for free.

 

[Mamoon]

and yet we have an icc trophy from 2017 and India doesnt have a single one from last 10 years.

no matter how you spin it, only india looks bad

No one cares about the Champions Trophy. Winning the tournament doesn’t even make you the champion of the format.

West Indies won a Champions Trophy and two T20 World Cups in 12 years and in those 12 years, they were still seen as a failed cricket nation.

Pakistan is like West Indies who have been pathetic over the last 6 years.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Absolutely not ...but considering that you have abandoned your favorite idiotic inti smiley I think this is headed in the right direction




Because in an effort to blatantly troll you tried to fire from someone else's shoulder saying "No one can match the Aussies when it comes to winning mentality" ... and therefore I had to bring you down to earth.



lol ... do you really want me to reproduce your pathetic posts on that topic ?



awww .... how considerate .... does it occur to you that the ODI/T20WC are in a bigger need of a play-off than WTC ? Ask me why and I will educate you for free.

I was right about you. You are running out of ideas now. Crying about me using smileys? How desperate and cringe one can be?

Please go on and reproduce my posts on that topic and do tell me how those posts relate to the topic at hand?

So you are crying about T20 WCs and ODI WCs playoffs now? Once again where did I object to this idea? Do point me to those posts.

You are so desperate to get into an argument with me now that you are making stuff up out of your behind. I will use an extra smiley to make up for the last one.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If you have chose to one option then what will you chose - winning of WTC final or Winning back to back test series in Australia or South Africa?

If you have to choose one option, what will you choose - winning a group stage match against Pakistan or winning the World Cup final?

 

[Devadwal]

If you have to choose one option, what will you choose - winning a group stage match against Pakistan or winning the World Cup final?

Obviously World Cup final . There is huge difference between winning the back to back test series away from home and one of a test match aka WTC final .once Australia captain said they choose a test series win in india over a world cup win .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Obviously World Cup final . There is huge difference between winning the back to back test series away from home and one of a test match aka WTC final .once Australia captain said they choose a test series win in india over a world cup win .

All those series are part of World Test Championship. And I also think it should be best of 3 finals. Anyway that is not the topic at hand. How are you planning to recover from this loss?

 

[Devadwal]

All those series are part of World Test Championship. And I also think it should be best of 3 finals. Anyway that is not the topic at hand. How are you planning to recover from this loss?

Yes best of 3 finals is perfect as Final team came from playing the series of two year period of time so can't decide the winner just based on one of game. We can recover by winning the test series against South Africa next month.

 

[Amjid Javed]

No one cares about the Champions Trophy. Winning the tournament doesn’t even make you the champion of the format.

West Indies won a Champions Trophy and two T20 World Cups in 12 years and in those 12 years, they were still seen as a failed cricket nation.

Pakistan is like West Indies who have been pathetic over the last 6 years.

India is supposedly the power house of world cricket and has bottled every ICC tourney in last 10 years.

 

[cricketjoshila]

and yet we have an icc trophy from 2017 and India doesnt have a single one from last 10 years.

no matter how you spin it, only india looks bad

West Indies has 2 T20WC wins in last 10-12 years

By your logic they are better than NZ SA Australia India Pakistan etc because all of them have lesser title wins.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So if Pakistan fans remained silent and didn't mock India for losing or take enjoyment in them, would that mean Pakistan will suddenly reach the semi finals?

If pakistanis will concentrate on their own team and fans mount pressure, may be the PCB will act. Or may be players will take playing for pakistan more seriously and not ditch pakistan cricket to run off to play T20 leagues.

 

[flawed_genius]

If pakistanis will concentrate on their own team and fans mount pressure, may be the PCB will act. Or may be players will take playing for pakistan more seriously and not ditch pakistan cricket to run off to play T20 leagues.

And if maybe Indians would actually acknowledge their failures (read: chokes) and not deflect onto another team, they might win an ICC tournament or two soon.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

West Indies has 2 T20WC wins in last 10-12 years

By your logic they are better than NZ SA Australia India Pakistan etc because all of them have lesser title wins.

So if weaker teams like West Indies and Pakistan can win trophies then what is stopping India from winning it?

 

[Pakhs]

West Indies has 2 T20WC wins in last 10-12 years

By your logic they are better than NZ SA Australia India Pakistan etc because all of them have lesser title wins.

A this thread is not about Pakistan discuss India B West Indies did win two T20WC titles they were a great T20 side. Give them credit. Pakistan have also won a 50 over tournament.. One country is consistently chocking in knockout matches at first sign of pressure... and this thread is about discussing that.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Enough guys. Please do not post if you have nothing to say related to the thread title. No more personal digs at each other.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

If pakistanis will concentrate on their own team and fans mount pressure, may be the PCB will act. Or may be players will take playing for pakistan more seriously and not ditch pakistan cricket to run off to play T20 leagues.

Let's even accept that is a viable solution, don't think fan pressure has ever worked within the Cricket context but let's for discussions sake say that it can work then are you saying the two stances (laughing at rivals and also putting pressure on the PCB) is mutually exclusive?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And if maybe Indians would actually acknowledge their failures (read: chokes) and not deflect onto another team, they might win an ICC tournament or two soon.

Exactly. Most of them are busy counting failures of Pakistan but these same fans consider Australia as our new arch rivals. They will never compare India with Australia. Rather than accepting our failures our fans are happy looking at the performances of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Lanka to ease some pain. Although these same fans don't like it when the fans from Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. do the same.

 

[Major]

No one cares about the Champions Trophy. Winning the tournament doesn’t even make you the champion of the format.

West Indies won a Champions Trophy and two T20 World Cups in 12 years and in those 12 years, they were still seen as a failed cricket nation.

Pakistan is like West Indies who have been pathetic over the last 6 years.

than why did India fail to even win this icc trophy than? during the last 10 years they have 0 trophies from icc tournaments

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ashwin said on his YouTube channel:

"Australia totally deceived me personally, I was checking whether the pitch is disintegrating at mid-innings and I met George Bailey. I asked him why didn't you guys bat first like you always do - he answered back, 'we have played IPL & Bilateral series here a lot - red soil disintegrates but not black soil & it gets better under lights - no impact on dew on red soil but black soil has good turn in afternoon & then it will be a concrete in night.' I was flabbergasted after that."

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ashwin said on his YouTube channel:

"Australia totally deceived me personally, I was checking whether the pitch is disintegrating at mid-innings and I met George Bailey. I asked him why didn't you guys bat first like you always do - he answered back, 'we have played IPL & Bilateral series here a lot - red soil disintegrates but not black soil & it gets better under lights - no impact on dew on red soil but black soil has good turn in afternoon & then it will be a concrete in night.' I was flabbergasted after that."

No one can defeat Australians in strategic planning

 

[CricketCartoons]

And if maybe Indians would actually acknowledge their failures (read: chokes) and not deflect onto another team, they might win an ICC tournament or two soon.

How does that work?

South Africa has acknowledged they have chocked, yet they have not won world cups.

Pakistan also has acknowledged they lose to India in WC, but that hasn't helped them change the result.

So curious, how does acknowledgement and by whom, brings positive outcome. Care to explain?

 

[Major]

West Indies has 2 T20WC wins in last 10-12 years

By your logic they are better than NZ SA Australia India Pakistan etc because all of them have lesser title wins.

so west indies has 1 icc trophy in the lst 10 year and India has none

more embarrassment for India.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No one can defeat Australians in strategic planning

Actually , this is a bit of a myth. They were tactically getting left behind under the previous coaches. Andrew McDonald and Cummins have tightened up a lot of screws and are much more prepared than they were previously.

Ashwin mentioned something that I had observed even in the semifinals. Cummins bowled only 3 out of 60 deliveries fuller than 6m.

Hazlewood in the semis didn't bowl a single ball fuller than 6m in his first spell of 6 overs. Even Starc bowled a significantly less % of full balls than he usually does. They built a lot of pressure as a trio in the last 2 matches.

 

[Mamoon]

than why did India fail to even win this icc trophy than? during the last 10 years they have 0 trophies from icc tournaments

In spite of not winning a trophy since 2014, they have still been far more successful than any other cricket nation in this period except Australia & England and have been miles ahead of Pakistan.

Every single Pakistani fan would swap places with Indian cricket no matter how much chest-thumping they do. That is the bitter reality which they don’t have the courage to accept.

Pakistan cricket 2017-2023 or Indian cricket 2017-2023, what would you prefer. The answer is India and it a very easy answer.

 

[sweep_shot]

Ashwin mentioned something that I had observed even in the semifinals. Cummins bowled only 3 out of 60 deliveries fuller than 6m.

Hazlewood in the semis didn't bowl a single ball fuller than 6m in his first spell of 6 overs. Even Starc bowled a significantly less % of full balls than he usually does. They built a lot of pressure as a trio in the last 2 matches.

They won both semi-final and final (like they often do). That's all matters.

 

[Major]

In spite of not winning a trophy since 2014, they have still been far more successful than any other cricket nation in this period except Australia & England and have been miles ahead of Pakistan.

Every single Pakistani fan would swap places with Indian cricket no matter how much chest-thumping they do. That is the bitter reality which they don’t have the courage to accept.

Pakistan cricket 2017-2023 or Indian cricket 2017-2023, what would you prefer. The answer is India and it a very easy answer and if you have second thoughts then there is something wrong with you.

No pakistani would swap places with a team that has 0 icc trophies in the last 10 years.

Maybe India should consider swapping places with teams that have won icc trophies during the last 10 years of cricket.

 

[hitthestump]

The only possible conclusion is that India is a failed cricketing nation.

You could give all the advantages they have to any other country that plays cricket. They would win you at least 1 trophy within 10 years. How is it that India have none?

The reality is that despite all the chest thumping India have a soft underbelly. People forget they were abysmal in the 80’s and 90’s when the playing level was even.

And now that they shamelessly control every aspect of cricket they still cannot win, let alone dominate which is the bare minimum they should be doing.

India should quit physical sports. Instead they should focus on sitting down events like chess or spelling bees.

With their massive population and resources they may do better here than they have in cricket.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

In spite of not winning a trophy since 2014, they have still been far more successful than any other cricket nation in this period except Australia & England and have been miles ahead of Pakistan.

Every single Pakistani fan would swap places with Indian cricket no matter how much chest-thumping they do. That is the bitter reality which they don’t have the courage to accept.

Pakistan cricket 2017-2023 or Indian cricket 2017-2023, what would you prefer. The answer is India and it a very easy answer.

As an Indian fan your answer is hardly impartial

I think you'd get a mixed response from Pakistan fans. Those that prefer Test cricket would swap, those that simply want to win the major tournaments will not swap.

 

[Devadwal]

The only possible conclusion is that India is a failed cricketing nation.

You could give all the advantages they have to any other country that plays cricket. They would win you at least 1 trophy within 10 years. How is it that India have none?

The reality is that despite all the chest thumping India have a soft underbelly. People forget they were abysmal in the 80’s and 90’s when the playing level was even.

And now that they shamelessly control every aspect of cricket they still cannot win, let alone dominate which is the bare minimum they should be doing.

India should quit physical sports. Instead they should focus on sitting down events like chess or spelling bees.

With their massive population and resources they may do better here than they have in cricket.

Why does Pakistan not beaten india in world cup from last 30 year even when we had toothless team ? Does this mean Pakistan is a failed cricketing nations lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

Let's even accept that is a viable solution, don't think fan pressure has ever worked within the Cricket context but let's for discussions sake say that it can work then are you saying the two stances (laughing at rivals and also putting pressure on the PCB) is mutually exclusive?

Seems mutually exclusive. I see pakistani fans here more interested in laughing at a team that has outperformed Pakistan by a country mile than on their on team.

 

[cricketjoshila]

so west indies has 1 icc trophy in the lst 10 year and India has none

more embarrassment for India.

No wonder Pakistan is languishing in most formats. The mentality of pakistani fans reflect on their team.

 

[Major]

No wonder Pakistan is languishing in most formats. The mentality of pakistani fans reflect on their team.

no wonder India has not won a single icc tournament, the fan mentality reflects their team

 

[Technics 1210]

99.99% of Indian fans are burning and hurting inside. This is evident from the fact that said fans continue to talk about Pakistan.

There are Indian fans who have not recovered from Javed Miandad's last ball 6 in 1986 vs India. That was almost 40 years ago! SO, this WC Final loss will haunt and echo India for decades to come!

 

[Devadwal]

no wonder India has not won a single icc tournament, the fan mentality reflects their team

No wonder Pakistan has not won a single world cup match from past 30 years .

 

[Mamoon]

no wonder India has not won a single icc tournament, the fan mentality reflects their team

As an Indian fan your answer is hardly impartial

I think you'd get a mixed response from Pakistan fans. Those that prefer Test cricket would swap, those that simply want to win the major tournaments will not swap.

Good.

It is like saying West Indies was better than South Africa in the 2004-2016 period because they won 3 trophies and South Africa didn’t win any.

The only trophy that matters is the ODI World Cup and Pakistan haven’t made a final in 24 years.

Pakistani fans are so used to mediocrity that it is what they thrive in. They have no taste for success.

They have no idea what it means to win a Test series in Australia, let alone back to back, make WTC Finals etc., be consistently ranked in the top 2 etc. because they cannot even dream about these things.

Give them a fluke CT win and 6th/7th ranking sprinkled with whitewash in Australia and they are happy.

 

[Mamoon]

no wonder India has not won a single icc tournament, the fan mentality reflects their team

No World Cup final since 1999. Not a single draw in Australia since 1999. 100% losing record vs India in World Cups.

I wonder what does this reflect.

 

[Technics 1210]

No World Cup final since 1999. Not a single draw in Australia since 1999. 100% losing record vs India in World Cups.

I wonder what does this reflect.

2022 T20 World Cup final says hi! Along with the 152/0 drubbing handed to India by Pakistan in the 2021 T20 WC!

And save the that was a T20 WC, since you mentioned Tests vs Australia above!

 

[flawed_genius]

How does that work?

South Africa has acknowledged they have chocked, yet they have not won world cups.

Pakistan also has acknowledged they lose to India in WC, but that hasn't helped them change the result.

So curious, how does acknowledgement and by whom, brings positive outcome. Care to explain?

Once again you have seemed to miss the point completely.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Once again you have seemed to miss the point completely.

Gee whiz.

You said if they acknowledge that they chocked, they may win. So you concede you cannot explain this point.

 

[flawed_genius]

You said if they acknowledge that they chocked, they may win. So you concede you cannot explain this point.

Yes, rather than address the cause of their failures properly, India should sit on their hands and let the other big boys win trophies. Brilliant thinking!

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yes, rather than address the cause of their failures properly, India should sit on their hands and let the other big boys win trophies. Brilliant thinking!

I challenge you to show where I implied that.

You imply that there is a direct correlation between acknowledging and getting a positive outcome. I deny that there is any correlation (whether positive or negative).

 

[Statpadder Inc]

2022 T20 World Cup final says hi! Along with the 152/0 drubbing handed to India by Pakistan in the 2021 T20 WC!

And save the that was a T20 WC, since you mentioned Tests vs Australia above!

Bragging about bottling a final. Doesn't that make you a choker?
You have a 1-12 record against India in wcs, even Bangladesh and Zimbabwe have a better record against India. Bragging about one victory is what minnows do

 

[flawed_genius]

I challenge you to show where I implied that.

You imply that there is a direct correlation between acknowledging and getting a positive outcome. I deny that there is any correlation (whether positive or negative).

You din't prove jack. You are assuming the resources/parameters that belong to India are equal to those of South Africa and Pakistan. This is where your whole 'argument ' falls over.