How can India recover from the humiliating ICC ODI World Cup 2023 final loss?

[Ahmed216]

Don't think people realise how big of a bottle job this was from India. This WC was theirs for the taking. For some strange reason they decided to make the track slow and the match dependent on the toss. There is no way the groundman would have designed the pitch without getting input from the BCCI, Sharma and Dravid.

It takes mental strength to keep doing what you are successfully doing and not over thinking and completely change the winning formula on a big game.

Exactly this. Indian team management interference in pitch selection meant they were not confident in their own abilities and I think rightly so because India hasn't been doing well for past couple of years.
Hacks like Iyer KL feasted on slow tailor-made surfaces where fast bowlers from other conditions were neutralised.
But come the big day it's the mental strength that matters and we saw another great Indian choke

 

[Ahmed216]

Indian domestic season mostly has first class and List A games. So we produce more orthodox classical players than slam dang T20 ones. Also, genetically it doesn't suit us. That is why you will see classical players like Rohit Sharma, KL Rahul or even youngsters like Yasasvi Jaiswal try to hack in T20 cricket which is against their style of play or what they have learned from childhood. IPL has nothing to do with international cricket. In a league system, teams hire best resources scouting players around the world based on money available. In internationals, you have to restrict based on the place of your birth.

So I think we will not win any T20 WC in near future. However I have great hope from ODI events (CT & WC) and WTC...we should win few by end of this decade.

Any particular reason why India can't win T20 WC?

 

[Amjid Javed]

All that "paper" being used to dry tears

 

[Ahmed216]

All that "paper" being used to dry tears

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He has lost the plot and over confidence has got the better of him.
Kaif bhai best team is Aus they've won a world cup both at home and in India in last decade.

 

[ahmadharis1]

They'll be fine. They just lost on their day. It's definitely going to sting for India fans but they have a great domestic pipeline just churning talent nonstop. We don't even know what their squad is for 2027 and I'd already be comfortable saying they'll be good contenders

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Indian team will not win a Wt20 anytime in near future as we are not meant for T20 cricket. It doesn't come naturally to us.

However, what do you mean by can't win Champions Trophy? There has only been 2 CT's that has been played in last 10 years and India won once in 2013 and reached finals undefeated in next one.

Purpose of cricket is not only defined by ICC trophies. Most Indian fans would swap multiple T20 WCs for those two test series win's down under.

Down under test series only feels special because no other asian team especially Pakistan has not won it yet. Otherwise even SA has multiple test series win in Aus. So i do not know why would indians swap wt20 that too in multiple numbers for a bilateral series win. And reason India won down under is because Ind and Australia play each other too often and it was bound to happen. Pakistan can also do it if they get to play 8-10 test series against in span of 10 years

 

[Hitman]

Down under test series only feels special because no other asian team especially Pakistan has not won it yet. Otherwise even SA has multiple test series win in Aus. So i do not know why would indians swap wt20 that too in multiple numbers for a bilateral series win. And reason India won down under is because Ind and Australia play each other too often and it was bound to happen. Pakistan can also do it if they get to play 8-10 test series against in span of 10 years

You have not even drawn a single Test match in Australia since 1995. You have lost every single Test match you have played there since then.

Forget about winning a Test match, let along winning a Test series, first try to draw a Test match in Australia this time when your team tours.

 

[deltexas]

funny how there is the better team in every final india has played in the last 10 years

In reality would say it's a mix of both - few times the other teams were definitely better and few times ind buckled under pressure.
2003 - aus was certainly better and were the faves. Aus expected to win and that's what happened
2007- actually ind and pak were better than what their exits show- just 1 bad game and both were out. If it was a round Robin format both would have qualified for sf. Both teams were pretty decent but get flak due to the exits
2011- ind aus were 60 40 faves and ind won
2015- aus certainly better and faves . Ind going to sf was actually a very good result.
2019 - eng better and deserved to win it no matter what nz says. They played such an attacking brand of cricket and deserved
2023- ind absolutely absolute faves.. no 2 ways. One of their best odi teams ever. Completely buckled under pressure. Ind was tentative and couldn't handle the pressure. They should have won this with so many advantages. So dominant in all games except final..need to handle nerves better for sure. Need to address it..

 

[deltexas]

All that "paper" being used to dry tears

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Sorry but this is cringey from kaif.. this doesn't help ind at all. If you don't even acknowledge a problem then how will you fix it? Admit you couldn't handle the pressure and tackle it head on instead of these superfluous statements

 

[Hitman]

On topic, would have been nice if we won the WC. Didn't happen. So will have to take it on the chin. Time to try and forget it, and concentrate on Test cricket until the next ODI WC arrives.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Agree. I feel they won't get another bumrah and kohli most likely. Shubman gill to step in kohlis shoes and be better than him?

We felt the same with Sachin, there won’t be another like him, well what do you know? Kohli. There is ample number of young and fit and talented batsmen in the wings to step into the void that he will leave behind. But he is unlikely to retire anytime soon and will be around to shape talent for a good two more years.

Bumrah is a rare talent. Like McGrath, his mystery has not been any more resolved than it was in the first year he played. He may be around for the next one.

 

[Savak]

Shubman Gill is no Virat Kohli. Kohli had an unparralled work ethic, drive, determination to score runs, hate to fail and lose attitude. None of the other Indian players have that and hence they will not be able to replicate his success.

 

[Itachi]

Shubman Gill is no Virat Kohli. Kohli had an unparralled work ethic, drive, determination to score runs, hate to fail and lose attitude. None of the other Indian players have that and hence they will not be able to replicate his success.

Kohli has failed mostly in Crunch situations. To be honest, if i'll ask to aim, I would want a bevan than kohli.

This Indian team can perform without kohli also. He isn't the most valuable asset of the team. The most valuable asset will be someone like Bevan in lower middle order.

 

[Adiram]

BCCI will organise a 5 ODI and 3 T20 bilateral against Sri Lanka and we will give them a phainty of lifetime.
Fans will rejoice and all will be forgotten.

That’s how it always is. Nothing new here

Like the way Pak plays to get ODI # 1 and Batsman # 1 ranks

 

[big_gamer007]

Like the way Pak plays to get ODI # 1 and Batsman # 1 ranks

Not sure what Pakistan has to do with this?

What’s the point of comparing bad habits of a team like Pakistan who are worse than us in every aspect of the game.

Rather than improving we find solace in comparing with Pakistan. No wonder we can’t win anything with mindset such as these

 

[big_gamer007]

Kohli has failed mostly in Crunch situations. To be honest, if i'll ask to aim, I would want a bevan than kohli.

This Indian team can perform without kohli also. He isn't the most valuable asset of the team. The most valuable asset will be someone like Bevan in lower middle order.

Both are different types of players. Both are important.

Kohli did play with a player like Bevan in past, captain cool Dhoni when he was in his peak, India did quite well. But we still failed to win the 2015 World Cup.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not sure what Pakistan has to do with this?

What’s the point of comparing bad habits of a team like Pakistan who are worse than us in every aspect of the game.

Rather than improving we find solace in comparing with Pakistan. No wonder we can’t win anything with mindset such as these

When Pakistan compares with India, they are setting a higher bar. Indians should compare with Australia, that is the highest bar that can be. Instead of feeling better by lowering the bar. No wonder Indian fans get all the humiliation.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Shubman Gill is no Virat Kohli. Kohli had an unparralled work ethic, drive, determination to score runs, hate to fail and lose attitude. None of the other Indian players have that and hence they will not be able to replicate his success.

This team has done better without Kohli as captain. He has literally played the anchor role with others doing the heavy lifting in terms of scoring fast and putting pressure on opposition bowlers.

Under his captaincy , we flopped massively in 2017 CT, 2019 World Cup , 2021 World T20 and in the WTC final with probably our Test side at its peak

There are more impactful players coming through. For me, this version of Rohit is harder to replace.

 

[Vikram1989]

This team has done better without Kohli as captain. He has literally played the anchor role with others doing the heavy lifting in terms of scoring fast and putting pressure on opposition bowlers.

Under his captaincy , we flopped massively in 2017 CT, 2019 World Cup , 2021 World T20 and in the WTC final with probably our Test side at its peak

There are more impactful players coming through. For me, this version of Rohit is harder to replace.

Jaiswal can definitely replace Rohit.

 

[deltexas]

When Pakistan compares with India, they are setting a higher bar. Indians should compare with Australia, that is the highest bar that can be. Instead of feeling better by lowering the bar. No wonder Indian fans get all the humiliation.

Exactly. Ind bar should actually be more than Aus - that should be the goal. Ind team has so many advantages that pak team doesn't. Ind should be the trendsetting team. Yes it's sport anything can happen- but honestly Ind should be setting a much higher pbar than any other team with all it's inherent advantages and financial backing. Pak team for all it's disadvantages internal conflict board infighting- has actually done not too bad.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Jaiswal can definitely replace Rohit.

That's definitely the hope. Anchor Kohli can definitely be replaced.

 

[JaDed]

Shubman Gill is no Virat Kohli. Kohli had an unparralled work ethic, drive, determination to score runs, hate to fail and lose attitude. None of the other Indian players have that and hence they will not be able to replicate his success.

Kohli got that after Fletcher not before.

 

[Vikram1989]

That's definitely the hope. Anchor Kohli can definitely be replaced.

Stat padder Ruturaj will be there always to replace him.I have high hopes on Sai sudharsan and Dhruv Jurel. If Tilak improves, we should be In good condition batting wise

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Stat padder Ruturuj will be there always to replace him.I have high hopes on Sai sudharshan and Dhruv Jurel.if Tilak improves, we should be In good condition batting wise

Our white ball batting actually can go to another level with the players coming through no doubt about it. It's the pace attack that's a worry. We haven't developed anyone remotely as good as Shami.

 

[Caved12]

I don't like how BCCI, GOI and their fans behave, but one thing is for sure that India has nothing to recover from. A better team won and India was simply unbelievable throughout this tournament.

 

[BouncerGuy]

India has been good overall during the World Cups but they do fall short in the knockout stages and it has been happening quite often now.

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Wasim Akram about India’s World Cup Final loss:

"Obviously they must be shattered to lose the final but in cricket these things happen. India had one bad day, and unfortunately, it came in the final. You look at their structure, the money for players, the well thought out programs and the back up talent and they really just need to continue doing these things. Their cricket is in a good place,”

"I was captain when we played them in the 1999 World Cup final and although we had beaten them in the league stage, in the final they were a different side just like yesterday in Ahmedabad,”​

 

[Vikram1989]

Our white ball batting actually can go to another level with the players coming through no doubt about it. It's the pace attack that's a worry. We haven't developed anyone remotely as good as Shami.

We have to wait how the bodies of Mohsin khan, Tyagi,Kuldeep Sen,Umran/Akash responds to the load.I can see options but not sure about longevity.

 

[Farabi]

Fans of small cricket teams can do nothing apart from finding joy and peace in other’s defeats, especially those who are and always will be better than them.

Apart from 1-2 tournaments, India have made the semifinals of every tournament in the last 20 years. This is what consistency looks like. This is what happens when you develop a high performance culture.

Consistently being ranked in the top 2-3 inside and outside tournaments is much better than fluking a tournament and then playing like a clown 90% of the time.

I would happily swap Pakistan’s fluke CT 2017 trophy with India’s consistency and success over the last 10 years.

Every single Pakistani fans, no matter how much chest-thumping they are doing, would happily swap places with India cricket.

When you know you can’t be as good as someone you have two options: accept their superiority and learn from what makes them superior or try to weigh them down and seek solace in their failures. Unfortunately, Pakistani fans have chosen the latter which sums up their mentality.

The harsh truth is that India’s so-called failures tower over Pakistan’s successes. India will keep making semifinals and finals and will eventually start sinking tournaments again too, while Pakistan will be doing hehe and haha after getting booted out of the tournaments in group stages more often than not and getting absolutely pummeled by India more often than not.

I would not. The champions trophy win was an enigmatic moment as a fan, specially as it came on the back of humiliating the arch rivals. I don’t want all that consistency peppered with heartbreaks seeing my heroes freeze in big moments like rabbits in front of headlight. I thoroughly enjoyed the ICC trophy in 2017. What a joyous memory and the high that came with it.

 

[MP2011]

It's the pace attack that's a worry. We haven't developed anyone remotely as good as Shami.

Its really poor of us not having given even a single change to the likes of Mohsin Khan & Sudip Tyagi.

 

[Vikram1989]

Its really poor of us not having given even a single change to the likes of Mohsin Khan & Sudip Tyagi.

On top of it giving chance to trundler's Avesh and Mukesh.

 

[Farabi]

All that "paper" being used to dry tears

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Only a fool would say india was a favorite and better team on paper.

-Australia’s top 3 has the kind of explosiveness and fearlessness which India cannot match. On top, there is Maxwell who was not even required.

-There are very few more clutch bowlers than Starc, Cummins and Zampa.

Whether you talk about skills, athleticism, fielding, fitness, or mentality, I don’t agree Indian team is close on paper or the ground.

The result was fair.

 

[ArabKnight]

India has been good overall during the World Cups but they do fall short in the knockout stages and it has been happening quite often now.

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Wasim Akram about India’s World Cup Final loss:

"Obviously they must be shattered to lose the final but in cricket these things happen. India had one bad day, and unfortunately, it came in the final. You look at their structure, the money for players, the well thought out programs and the back up talent and they really just need to continue doing these things. Their cricket is in a good place,”

"I was captain when we played them in the 1999 World Cup final and although we had beaten them in the league stage, in the final they were a different side just like yesterday in Ahmedabad,”​

Wasim Akram doesn’t need to bring up ‘99 World Cup. Why is he pleasing Indian audience so much?

 

[MP2011]

Nasser Hussain was spot on when he said, "No one has divine right to win"

 

[Mamoon]

India bottled it again in an ICC tourney, but to a mediocrity merchant like you it's always a bad day.

I wonder how many rotten eggs and tomatoes were thrown over weekend

“bottling” a final is much better than crashing out in the group stage with a negative NRR.

No World Cup final in 24 years but Pakistani fans have the nerve to talk.

 

[Mamoon]

Every Indian was going on about REVENGE OF 2003. That was the narrative that was build.

What has happened in the last 10 years against 6 different oppositions, each time they will be labelled as revenge whenever India meets them (and losses to them) in the final

But when will Pakistan avenge India in ODI World Cups.

In two months time, my statement that sums up Pakistan cricket will still hold true:

“The last time Pakistan DID NOT lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket”

 

[BouncerGuy]

But when will Pakistan avenge India in ODI World Cups.

In two months time, my statement that sums up Pakistan cricket will still hold true:

“The last time Pakistan DID NOT lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket”

What does Pakistan have to do anything with India and Australia's final?
Please do not change the topic or else you can post on some other thread.

 

[Mamoon]

Same applies to your team. Shubman Gill best batsmen after Kohli in Asia. Rohit Sharma one of the great openers of all time. Virat Kohli the greatest cricketer ever. Rahul will walk into every team. SKY goat t20s player. Jadeja better all rounder then Imran( not to mention Ashwin who you also think is better then Imran was on the bench). Kuldeep the best Chinaman bowler of all time. Bumrah the greatest Indian fast bowler of all time by some distance followed closely shami and yet they still failed to win on custom made pitch. You can't make this up.

The is the greatest humiliation of all time.

So what?

The GOAT West Indies team lost a World Cup final in 1983 to an Indian team that would struggle to beat Sri Lanka today.

These things happen in sport. Losing a final is never a humiliation especially when you make the finals by playing world class cricket and dismantling everyone in your path.

India dominated the World Cup like few teams in history have. They were by far the standout team. They didn’t win the World Cup because of one bad day and it can happen to anyone. There is no shame in that.

They should be proud of what they have done over the last month. I would take a World Cup like India’s and lose a final every single time over the nonsense cricket Pakistan played in this World Cup, crashing out in the group stages and ending up with a negative NRR.

India’s so-called failures tower over Pakistan’s so-called successes.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So what?

The GOAT West Indies team lost a World Cup final in 1983 to an Indian team that would struggle to beat Sri Lanka today.

These things happen in sport. Losing a final is never a humiliation especially when you make the finals by playing world class cricket and dismantling everyone in your path.

India dominated the World Cup like few teams in history have. They were by far the standout team. They didn’t win the World Cup because of one bad day and it can happen to anyone. There is no shame in that.

They should be proud of what they have done over the last month. I would take a World Cup like India’s and lose a final every single time over the nonsense cricket Pakistan played in this World Cup, crashing out in the group stages and ending up with a negative NRR.

India’s so-called failures tower over Pakistan’s so-called successes.

schadenfreude happens when there is envy. I enjoyed when Pakistan lost 1999 WC and when Hussey hit Ajmal in some match. After that there has been no joy at Pakistan losing.

 

[Mamoon]

ICC ranking coming into the World Cup: 1

World Cup results:

Matches: 9
Wins: 4
Defeats: 5
NRR: -0.199

This is called a humiliation for the ages.

 

[160KPH]

I would happily swap Pakistan’s fluke CT 2017 trophy with India’s consistency and success over the last 10 years.

You might be the only person in the entire world who would make that swap.

 

[Rajdeep]

ICC ranking coming into the World Cup: 1

World Cup results:

Matches: 9
Wins: 4
Defeats: 5
NRR: -0.199

This is called a humiliation for the ages.

Plus, no.1 team losing against 229 runs and 36/8 respectively against arch rivals in back to back games in what is called proper humiliation.

 

[160KPH]

ICC ranking coming into the World Cup: 1

World Cup results:

Matches: 9
Wins: 4
Defeats: 5
NRR: -0.199

This is called a humiliation for the ages.

It can’t be a humiliation for the ages when England’s humiliation was 1000 times worse. They were supposed to be either the favorites or second favorites, but your team was in desperation mode to even make the top 8 to qualify for the next tournament.

 

[160KPH]

Plus, no.1 team losing against 229 runs and 36/8 respectively against arch rivals in back to back games in what is called proper humiliation. Anyway, as OP himself admitted that this thread doesn't make sense and he only opened it bcoz he couldn't digest the other thread that Devadwal had opened previously.

You’re just coping bro. Check the betting odds, Pakistan was never predicted to win either of those marches or the World Cup. Your team on the other hand choked away the World Cup which was set up for you at every turn right in front of your prime minister. That’s a level of humiliation I can’t even imagine. But don’t worry, time heals all wounds and I’m sure Virat scoring another century against Sri Lanka to go to 51 will make the pain go away.

 

[160KPH]

Also India’s bowling is finished forever now too. By some miracle, they got two bowlers at the same time who weren’t trundlers and then they still managed to bottle it when it actually mattered. This was their last WC together and then it’s time to go back to 120 KPH opening spells.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please do not comment in this thread if you cannot stay on topic. All irrelevant posts will be removed. This thread is about india and india only.

 

[Rajdeep]

You’re just coping bro. Check the betting odds, Pakistan was never predicted to win either of those marches or the World Cup. Your team on the other hand choked away the World Cup which was set up for you at every turn right in front of your prime minister. That’s a level of humiliation I can’t even imagine. But don’t worry, time heals all wounds and I’m sure Virat scoring another century against Sri Lanka to go to 51 will make the pain go away.

The only reason you can't imagine bcoz in this millenium your team has made into the semi finals only once. So its obvious you have lack of understanding what are humiliating performances. India had a great tournament and only lost to a better side on the day. Just like how we crashed out in semi finals 2019. These are heart breaking defeats for sure and perhaps a little bit of choke as well but far from humiliation. That word has completely different meaning and India's performance is anything but that.

 

[Mamoon]

It can’t be a humiliation for the ages when England’s humiliation was 1000 times worse. They were supposed to be either the favorites or second favorites, but your team was in desperation mode to even make the top 8 to qualify for the next tournament.

England won the previous World Cup. They proved they have what it takes but they couldn’t adjust to the conditions this time. No big deal, happens.

On the other hand, the only thing Pakistan has proved is that they don’t have what it takes.

After not making a World Cup final in 24 years, they become the number 1 ODI team for the first time since the formal introduction of the ranking system and produced this filth on pitches that should have been conductive to their style of play.

Truly a humiliation for the ages.

 

[160KPH]

England won the previous World Cup. They proved they have what it takes but they couldn’t adjust to the conditions this time. No big deal, happens.

On the other hand, the only thing Pakistan has proved is that they don’t have what it takes.

After not making a World Cup final in 24 years, they become the number 1 ODI team for the first time since the formal introduction of the ranking system and produced this filth on pitches that should have been conductive to their style of play.

Truly a humiliation for the ages.

It’s clearly not conductive to our style of play, we haven’t had a good spinner in many years and most of our batsmen play fast bowling better than spin.

It’s not embarassing when you’re #5 or #6 in the betting odds. Way worse to be defending champions and one of the favorites but stuck desperately drawing over the line to make #8.

Also I don’t think “it happens”. When was the last time the defending champion’s played this badly? Particularly when so many of the players were part of the previous winning squad.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Enough guys. No more personal conflict here.

 

[Extra_Cover]

So what?

The GOAT West Indies team lost a World Cup final in 1983 to an Indian team that would struggle to beat Sri Lanka today.

These things happen in sport. Losing a final is never a humiliation especially when you make the finals by playing world class cricket and dismantling everyone in your path.

India dominated the World Cup like few teams in history have. They were by far the standout team. They didn’t win the World Cup because of one bad day and it can happen to anyone. There is no shame in that.

They should be proud of what they have done over the last month. I would take a World Cup like India’s and lose a final every single time over the nonsense cricket Pakistan played in this World Cup, crashing out in the group stages and ending up with a negative NRR.

India’s so-called failures tower over Pakistan’s so-called successes.

You mentioned "GOAT" above for West Indies team of 70s/80s. The reason why they were considered a GOAT team then was because of their silverware. Similarly Australia of 2000s was considered a GOAT team because of their silverware. No silverware no GOAT.

Imagine if Australia hadn't won a single world cup in 2000s with all their legends in the team, would they still be considered as a GOAT team? The answer is no. Just like South Africa of 90s or recent times isn't considered a GOAT team simply because they have no silverware likewise India will not be considered a GOAT team for simple reason of no silverware.

 

[Ahmed216]

So what?

The GOAT West Indies team lost a World Cup final in 1983 to an Indian team that would struggle to beat Sri Lanka today.

These things happen in sport. Losing a final is never a humiliation especially when you make the finals by playing world class cricket and dismantling everyone in your path.

India dominated the World Cup like few teams in history have. They were by far the standout team. They didn’t win the World Cup because of one bad day and it can happen to anyone. There is no shame in that.

They should be proud of what they have done over the last month. I would take a World Cup like India’s and lose a final every single time over the nonsense cricket Pakistan played in this World Cup, crashing out in the group stages and ending up with a negative NRR.

India’s so-called failures tower over Pakistan’s so-called successes.

Give India's resources to Nepal and they will win an ICC trophy in 10 years time

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Give India's resources to Nepal and they will win an ICC trophy in 10 years time

Afghanistan will....

 

[Devadwal]

No it is not humiliating at all. Indian team has played brilliant cricket throughout the tournament and were easily the most consistent team. They only lost to a better team on the day. Lets be honest, you are also aware of this and admitted to have only created this thread bcoz you couldn't digest @Devadwal 's thread.

Indian cricket is miles ahead of Pakistan as proven by recent encounters. Don't worry about we have not won any ICC trophy for 10 years as it will come sooner or later. Atleast we are reaching finals regularly - WTC finals, WC finals etc. Pls focus on your team

Exactly . everyone know that Indian defeat in world cup final is not humiliating.yes we should have won but when two top team play one has to llose. Pakistan after humiliated defeat against india hasn't receoved at all . finishing above Afghanistan at point table is achivement for them.
Now Pakistan tour of Australia tour is coming and another humiliation await for them.

 

[BouncerGuy]

How come Pakistan is being discussed every time when India loses a tournament?
India played well throughout the tournament and lost the final against Australia because they played better cricket on that day. No need to bring Pakistan in every discussion which is irrelevant.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You might be the only person in the entire world who would make that swap.

He's an Indian fan though isn't he? In which case of course he'd want that silverware, something to show for all that money and extra edge they've had due to how powerful their cricket board is

 

[Rajdeep]

How come Pakistan is being discussed every time when India loses a tournament?
India played well throughout the tournament and lost the final against Australia because they played better cricket on that day. No need to bring Pakistan in every discussion which is irrelevant.

In your own sentence, India has played well in this tournament and lost against the better side in finals. So pls tell me how it is a humiliation? And if Pakistani posters are hell bent to call it a humiliation, we have to remind their teams performance as well. Hopefully you are now getting why Pakistan is being dragged into this debate since you asked this couple of times in this thread.

 

[BouncerGuy]

In your own sentence, India has played well in this tournament and lost against the better side in finals. So pls tell me how it is a humiliation? And if Pakistani posters are hell bent to call it a humiliation, we have to remind their teams performance as well. Hopefully you are now getting why Pakistan is being dragged into this debate since you asked this couple of times in this thread.​

It’s understandable that losing in the finals after a strong performance throughout the tournament might be disappointing for India, labeling it as a ‘humiliation’ might be an overstatement. In sports, losing and winning are part and parcel of the game. The important aspect is the effort and performance put forth by the team. I am not the one calling it a humiliation and nor i will. The best team won that day. no need to bring Pakistan into the discussion here now.​

 

[Pakhs]

Exactly maybe coming above Afghanistan at the point table is goal of some teams and theirs fan's.

Its humiliating when you consider that India made pitches and general condition to suit themselves and were playing at home.

Regarding other teams that not a relevant factor for India as no other team has the resources they have but losing to Afghans were humiliating for PAK and SA.

 

[Pakhs]

It’s understandable that losing in the finals after a strong performance throughout the tournament might be disappointing for India, labeling it as a ‘humiliation’ might be an overstatement. In sports, losing and winning are part and parcel of the game. The important aspect is the effort and performance put forth by the team. I am not the one calling it a humiliation and nor i will. The best team won that day. no need to bring Pakistan into the discussion here now.​

We all know Indians were making pitches to suit themselves entire tournament, has the most resources of any teams in the world by at least 8 times and were playing at home.

Majerakar crying about dew must know that India would not have chased down 260+ in a WC final had their been no dew in 2011 but SL despite being a small team did not cry on international commentary forum. Ponting made it clear about the pitches and how it back fired on India

 

[Technics 1210]

It’s understandable that losing in the finals after a strong performance throughout the tournament might be disappointing for India, labeling it as a ‘humiliation’ might be an overstatement. In sports, losing and winning are part and parcel of the game. The important aspect is the effort and performance put forth by the team. I am not the one calling it a humiliation and nor i will. The best team won that day. no need to bring Pakistan into the discussion here now.​

It is not the loss that adds credence to the humiliation per se, it is the fact that the BCCI along with the GoI, did everything in their power to engineer a WC win for India (doctoring pitches / denying VISAs for fans) for reasons which are obvious. PLUS, this WC was at home for India.

If a team loses in the final, on a level playing field, it is not entirely a humiliation.

If a team loses in the final at home, despite the respective Cricket Board and Government helping to engineer/cheat a WC win, then it is a full on humiliation!

 

[Major]

ICC ranking coming into the World Cup: 1

World Cup results:

Matches: 9
Wins: 4
Defeats: 5
NRR: -0.199

This is called a humiliation for the ages.

One team had 4 wins, and team had 10 wins.

Yet both did not win the world cup

It was Australia that took it from India's hands.

This thread isnt about Pakistan and no one is defending Pakistan's performance. But for some reason, you cannot digest or accept criticism towards India losing or accept the fact that India lost so you have to bring in Pakistan.

 

[gani999]

How India will recover from the 'humiliating' world cup final loss?
The same way India recovered from the 'humiliating' loss in the CT 2017 final and beat Pakistan black and blue in the 2018 Asia Cup.
The same way India recovered from the 'humiliating' loss in the 2022 T20 World cup, and beat Pakistan black and blue in the Asia Cup 2023 and the World cup 2023.
Same way...

 

[Itachi]

How India will recover from the 'humiliating' world cup final loss?
The same way India recovered from the 'humiliating' loss in the CT 2017 final and beat Pakistan black and blue in the 2018 Asia Cup.
The same way India recovered from the 'humiliating' loss in the 2022 T20 World cup, and beat Pakistan black and blue in the Asia Cup 2023 and the World cup 2023.
Same way...

Our neighbor is always "generous" enough to "gift away" the match so that we can recover from the "humiliation". They have bigger hearts after all. They (our neighbors) seem like taken the role of punching bag in order to recover from "humiliation" such as these world cup final defeats. Now that's I call selfless act.

 

[gani999]

It is not the loss that adds credence to the humiliation per se, it is the fact that the BCCI along with the GoI, did everything in their power to engineer a WC win for India (doctoring pitches / denying VISAs for fans) for reasons which are obvious. PLUS, this WC was at home for India.

If a team loses in the final, on a level playing field, it is not entirely a humiliation.

If a team loses in the final at home, despite the respective Cricket Board and Government helping to engineer/cheat a WC win, then it is a full on humiliation!

Q. Define 'Full on humiliation'.
A. The 'worlds best and most unplayable' bowling attack getting schooled by Afghanistan.

 

[Major]

How India will recover from the 'humiliating' world cup final loss?
The same way India recovered from the 'humiliating' loss in the CT 2017 final and beat Pakistan black and blue in the 2018 Asia Cup.
The same way India recovered from the 'humiliating' loss in the 2022 T20 World cup, and beat Pakistan black and blue in the Asia Cup 2023 and the World cup 2023.
Same way...

So basically lose icc tournaments and win asia cup and series.

Thats the spirit

 

[Devadwal]

So basically lose icc tournaments and win asia cup and series.

Thats the spirit

Yes winning back to back test series in Australia is so easy ? Lol
Some team can't draw a test in Australia from last 25 year.

 

[deltexas]

Honestly though 10 consecutive icc tournament failures suggest a mental block. And most of these had ind dominating league stage..With ind resources and support structure- they should be doing much better.

2014 t20wc- final loss to sl
2015 odi WC- sf loss to aus
2016 t20wc - sf loss to wi
2017 CT- final loss to pak
2019 odi WC- sf loss to nz
2021 t20wc- group stage exit
2021 cwc test- final loss to nz
2022 t20wc - sf loss to eng
2022 cwc test- final loss to aus
2023 odi wc- final loss to aus

Jeez man that's a lot of losses to absorb for an ind supporter..

 

[Rajdeep]

We all know Indians were making pitches to suit themselves entire tournament, has the most resources of any teams in the world by at least 8 times and were playing at home.

Majerakar crying about dew must know that India would not have chased down 260+ in a WC final had their been no dew in 2011 but SL despite being a small team did not cry on international commentary forum. Ponting made it clear about the pitches and how it back fired on India

If India was winning due to pitch tampering, how did they play so well in Asia Cup? Beating Pakistan by 229 runs, getting SL team all out for 50 runs etc. Were the pitches were tampered in that tournament as well?

How is it so difficult for your countrymen to just accept Indian team has played terrific cricket in last two months and only found Aussies too good in the finals. People like you will continue to give excuses so that it can mask your own team's performance and you can go home with a smirk in the face. This attitude will lead no where and more 229 runs & 36/8 humiliations awaits in future.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So basically lose icc tournaments and win asia cup and series.

Thats the spirit

As opposed to lose both Asia Cups and get knocked out by the likes of Afghanistan even before KO's in a World Cup.

That's the spirit . Lose at everything - Tests , T20's, ODIs despite having the fastest and bestest pace attack and the #1 batter and #1 wicket keeper batter etc and then take pride in Australia's wins.

 

[Itachi]

So basically lose icc tournaments and win asia cup and series.

Thats the spirit

Yes. That's the answer of the question of this thread.

 

[Itachi]

It is not the loss that adds credence to the humiliation per se, it is the fact that the BCCI along with the GoI, did everything in their power to engineer a WC win for India (doctoring pitches / denying VISAs for fans) for reasons which are obvious. PLUS, this WC was at home for India.

If a team loses in the final, on a level playing field, it is not entirely a humiliation.

If a team loses in the final at home, despite the respective Cricket Board and Government helping to engineer/cheat a WC win, then it is a full on humiliation!

I think the question is, how India can recover from the humiliation. You both are going away from the topic.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Please do not comment in this thread if you cannot stay on topic. All irrelevant posts will be removed. This thread is about india and india only.

If the intention is to mock India and India only the that's fine, but if its banter then both sides should be allowed to engage in it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

One team had 4 wins, and team had 10 wins.

Yet both did not win the world cup

It was Australia that took it from India's hands.

This thread isnt about Pakistan and no one is defending Pakistan's performance. But for some reason, you cannot digest or accept criticism towards India losing or accept the fact that India lost so you have to bring in Pakistan.

One team qualified for the Knockouts and went to the finals, beat arch-rivals Pakistan, another one didnt quality for semis for the third straight year. Lost to Afghans. Lost to India.

There is the difference.

 

[Amjid Javed]

“bottling” a final is much better than crashing out in the group stage with a negative NRR.

No World Cup final in 24 years but Pakistani fans have the nerve to talk.

loads of weak excuses for bottling it.

Then again we know your love for bottle job teams, coaches, managers

 

[Amjid Javed]

England won the previous World Cup. They proved they have what it takes but they couldn’t adjust to the conditions this time. No big deal, happens.

On the other hand, the only thing Pakistan has proved is that they don’t have what it takes.

After not making a World Cup final in 24 years, they become the number 1 ODI team for the first time since the formal introduction of the ranking system and produced this filth on pitches that should have been conductive to their style of play.

Truly a humiliation for the ages.

India since winning 2011 World Cup, have bottled it every ICC tourney since

Your excuse is to deflect and bring up Pakistan.

 

[Champ_Pal]

India will recover with a win over Australia 2 days from now. Too much cricket is played these days. Any series is remembered only until the next series begins.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India since winning 2011 World Cup, have bottled it every ICC tourney since

Your excuse is to deflect and bring up Pakistan.

India won the CT 2013 from a hopeless situation.

Your attempt is to mock India despite the fact that your team has worst performance.

SriLanka lost 3 ICC finals before winning in 2014.

NZ has lost 2 finals and a semis in last 8 years.

England lost to WI twice in finals from a winning situation.

That's how knockouts work.

 

[heddie19]

But when will Pakistan avenge India in ODI World Cups.

In two months time, my statement that sums up Pakistan cricket will still hold true:

“The last time Pakistan DID NOT lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing international cricket”

152-0. Legend says Babar and Rizwan's bats were flaming fire that night in Dubai

 

[Devadwal]

It funny when your team is losing Matches and series left , right but still criticized India who was played the world cup Final .

 

[Stewie]

It funny when your team is losing Matches and series left , right but still criticized India who was played the world cup Final .

Its funnier when you mess with Pakistan Cricket Board's rights as hosts to score political points, and within months fall flat on your face in a world cup final hosted in a stadium named after PM