How come India flourished while Pakistan failed inspite of grotesque corruption in both countries?

[Local.Dada]

I always had a bone to pick on not focusing enough on guptas and Harappas I thought this was a Pak problem only but nope

I learned more about tham in States than in Pak which is embarrassing cause these groups were fascinating, groups are not supposed to have an empire or a civilization that long ago but THEY did why are we not learning more about them it's beyond me I don't know I can go on and on I don't wanna bore people but the point is since these civilizations were giants and an inspiration we should be giving more importance to em and get out of Mughal, Brit a** hope we move to a point where we acknowledge our difference but don't let em blind us into thinking we don't share a common history

But regarding the negative portrayal I don't like it Gahzanavi just like the Brit took advantage of a power vacuum in India So why blame em as anyone would do it China, Rome, and thousands of civilizations had a problem with barbarians but I don't read than as "evil" people

Two prob in SC textbooks black or white characters and lack of understanding regarding the early civilizations

The problem is ancient India never really had a habit of documenting and archiving historical events. It was passed down from generation to generation orally. Some Kings might have but for the most part it just wasn’t a requirement. Deciphering Ancient India more or less is like solving cryptic clues eg:like Asoka pillar etc etc so it is left to the interpretation of the archeologists and foreign historians.

Also it is mentioned that 2 of India’s most famous universities of the ancient and medieval times were burnt down by invaders. A lot of documentation might have either been burnt down or taken away by the invading kingdoms for their scholars and researchers.

Remember 2020 AD is more of a western concept , so we being from a totally different culture, could leave a lot of gaps when it comes down to the British interpretation of those time frames.

However Muslims and Europeans had a habit of documenting history judiciously. Obviously there will be a lot of bias towards the rulers. That’s the way it works. However credit where due they tried to keep it as accurate as possible.

Indian history is basically a continuation of British interpretation of Indian history either from what they found from the archives of the most recent rulers like Mughals, Marathas, Rajputs etc or what they interpreted vie archeological evidence like Harappa and other monuments of Indian subcontinent.

That’s why I would say Indian history focused mostly on those 3 kingdoms and mostly Mughals who had the tradition of an active court historian because that’s what the British had to work with mostly with a little of Asoka, Guptas and Indus Valley added for measure.

 

[Napa]

Imagination running wild, eh. Whole world isnt ‘Indo’ centric. Persia is an older and more influential civilization that anything we had in the subcontinent.

Just curious, what do you think came out of Persia that has been more influential than, for example Buddhism?

 

[Knight_Rider]

Persian sphere of influence is visible on many civilizations including that of India. From language to customs, food etc It has been part of Mesopotamia and Fertile Crescent where the first recorded human civilisation actually started. What’s indian sphere of influence beyond some stretches of southeast asia (Which are more chinese in their genetic and cultural make up than Indian)?

What has india got to claim? Ashoka empire?

I am not ashamed of my own indian roots but we need to accept the reality that we didn’t achieve much. May be enlighten us by sharing great achievements of the Indo civilization and its influence in the world. Not including religion because that is a different discussion altogether. There is a reason why you dont get to hear and see much about history of ancient India because there isnt much note worthy to talk about.

 

[Knight_Rider]

The problem is ancient India never really had a habit of documenting and archiving historical events. It was passed down from generation to generation orally. Some Kings might have but for the most part it just wasn’t a requirement. Deciphering Ancient India more or less is like solving cryptic clues eg:like Asoka pillar etc etc so it is left to the interpretation of the archeologists and foreign historians.

Also it is mentioned that 2 of India’s most famous universities of the ancient and medieval times were burnt down by invaders. A lot of documentation might have either been burnt down or taken away by the invading kingdoms for their scholars and researchers.

Remember 2020 AD is more of a western concept , so we being from a totally different culture, could leave a lot of gaps when it comes down to the British interpretation of those time frames.

However Muslims and Europeans had a habit of documenting history judiciously. Obviously there will be a lot of bias towards the rulers. That’s the way it works. However credit where due they tried to keep it as accurate as possible.

Indian history is basically a continuation of British interpretation of Indian history either from what they found from the archives of the most recent rulers like Mughals, Marathas, Rajputs etc or what they interpreted vie archeological evidence like Harappa and other monuments of Indian subcontinent.

That’s why I would say Indian history focused mostly on those 3 kingdoms and mostly Mughals who had the tradition of an active court historian because that’s what the British had to work with mostly with a little of Asoka, Guptas and Indus Valley added for measure.

No civilizations leaves a written record of their achievements, the story is interpreted by studying their ruins and artifacts. Museums around the world are full of historical artifacts and ruins from other ancient civilizations like Egypt, Mesopotamia/Persia, Greek and China. So why dont we see the same with India?

You get hear about hanging gardens of Babylon, Achamenid empire, Greek gods, Cyrus the great, Ancient China (incl the Great wall) etc but the same can’t be said about India. Why? Has the world got bias against Indian subcontinent?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

No civilizations leaves a written record of their achievements, the story is interpreted by studying their ruins and artifacts. Museums around the world are full of historical artifacts and ruins from other ancient civilizations like Egypt, Mesopotamia/Persia, Greek and China. So why dont we see the same with India?

You get hear about hanging gardens of Babylon, Achamenid empire, Greek gods, Cyrus the great, Ancient China (incl the Great wall) etc but the same can’t be said about India. Why? Has the world got bias against Indian subcontinent?

You sure about that?

 

[Bigboii]

Persian sphere of influence is visible on many civilizations including that of India. From language to customs, food etc It has been part of Mesopotamia and Fertile Crescent where the first recorded human civilisation actually started. What’s indian sphere of influence beyond some stretches of southeast asia (Which are more chinese in their genetic and cultural make up than Indian)?

What has india got to claim? Ashoka empire?

I am not ashamed of my own indian roots but we need to accept the reality that we didn’t achieve much. May be enlighten us by sharing great achievements of the Indo civilization and its influence in the world. Not including religion because that is a different discussion altogether. There is a reason why you dont get to hear and see much about history of ancient India because there isnt much note worthy to talk about.

Cmon man you seriously need to do some research know calm down

 

[chazam]

I would not consider India a flourishing state. Still lots of room for improvement.
But yeah it's still better than most of the troubled places in the world. A kid born in lower middle class
can aspire to be successful and he has opportunities to do so, especially if he pursues STEM.
I think the main catalyst of whatever little change has happened in terms of outcomes is Information Technology boom. It started with low-cost work first as fixing small issues to full fledged home grown product development focus today.
But still large amount of population is poor with very bad outcomes for them. Lifting those people out of poverty is the challenge, then only we can consider some flourishing.
Wealth and Income distribution is one of the worst in world. So, yeah some good things have happened relative to other third world nations, but still a long way to go.

 

[Bigboii]

The problem is ancient India never really had a habit of documenting and archiving historical events. It was passed down from generation to generation orally. Some Kings might have but for the most part it just wasn’t a requirement. Deciphering Ancient India more or less is like solving cryptic clues eg:like Asoka pillar etc etc so it is left to the interpretation of the archeologists and foreign historians.

Also it is mentioned that 2 of India’s most famous universities of the ancient and medieval times were burnt down by invaders. A lot of documentation might have either been burnt down or taken away by the invading kingdoms for their scholars and researchers.

Remember 2020 AD is more of a western concept , so we being from a totally different culture, could leave a lot of gaps when it comes down to the British interpretation of those time frames.

However Muslims and Europeans had a habit of documenting history judiciously. Obviously there will be a lot of bias towards the rulers. That’s the way it works. However credit where due they tried to keep it as accurate as possible.

Indian history is basically a continuation of British interpretation of Indian history either from what they found from the archives of the most recent rulers like Mughals, Marathas, Rajputs etc or what they interpreted vie archeological evidence like Harappa and other monuments of Indian subcontinent.

That’s why I would say Indian history focused mostly on those 3 kingdoms and mostly Mughals who had the tradition of an active court historian because that’s what the British had to work with mostly with a little of Asoka, Guptas and Indus Valley added for measure.

I feel you kinda otherised the Muslim rule in the way you wrote it

 

[Napa]

No civilizations leaves a written record of their achievements, the story is interpreted by studying their ruins and artifacts. Museums around the world are full of historical artifacts and ruins from other ancient civilizations like Egypt, Mesopotamia/Persia, Greek and China. So why dont we see the same with India?

Just because you don't know about Ashoka the Great, or the temples of Ajanta & Ellora doesn't mean they didn't exist. I seem to remember [MENTION=143303]Bosanquet[/MENTION] mentioning the section on Indian historical artifacts in the British Museum.

You get hear about hanging gardens of Babylon, Achamenid empire, Greek gods, Cyrus the great, Ancient China (incl the Great wall) etc but the same can’t be said about India. Why? Has the world got bias against Indian subcontinent?

Greek gods? How were they "superior" to Indian gods? Only reason for believing Greek mythology to be "superior" would be some pathetic slavish devotion to the West.

Here is what Plutarch had to say how Alexander the Great's army, the destroyer of the Persian Empire, turned tail and ran from the prospect of facing India's Gandhara Empire.

As for the Macedonians, however, their struggle with Porus blunted their courage and stayed their further advance into India. For having had all they could do to repulse an enemy who mustered only twenty thousand infantry and two thousand horse, they violently opposed Alexander when he insisted on crossing the river Ganges also, the width of which, as they learned, was thirty-two furlongs, its depth a hundred fathoms, while its banks on the further side were covered with multitudes of men-at-arms and horsemen and elephants. For they were told that the kings of the Ganderites and Praesii were awaiting them with eighty thousand horsemen, two hundred thousand footmen, eight thousand chariots, and six thousand war elephants.

Alexander was so frazzled and angry by this retreat that he punished his army by leading them back through the Balochistan desert where much of his army perished.

Indian history is much more than what you may have learned in your Pakistani or British textbooks. Educate yourself, it is also your heritage.

There is another thread in which India's historical legacy is discussed, you can read it to get more information. Also, as far as history goes, I place very little importance to buildings and warmongers/conquerors and respect intellectual achievement much more.

 

[Napa]

While Plutarch calls them "Ganderites and Praesii", modern historians say that Alexander's army mutinied at the prospect of facing the Indian Nanda Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanda_Empire

 

[Bigboii]

While Plutarch calls them "Ganderites and Praesii", modern historians say that Alexander's army mutinied at the prospect of facing the Indian Nanda Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanda_Empire

They were tired and India had a bad reputation in terms of mosquito, diseases, monsoon and terrible infrastructure for armies to March in so it was very hard to invade India an empire or no empire and these tactics almost Always stopped people from invading whole of India yes North came under control but not a lot of invaders stood around(they had to assillate and stay there it's a hard place only modern Brit managed to govern from a mother country) India is a harsh place for forieghners especially Europeans so no wonder his armies freaked out cause of stories of thousands of people, eliphants, diseases

Persians always had an empire in the true sense of the word they're an envy for the world I must say, always had great empires from God knows how many centuries India, china, Persia maybe Egyptians (but not so sure about that) were always throughout centuries were doing great but I think only Persians actually controlled most of the territory they know have and for thousands of years they had the empire game on the lockdown with their muscle memory I guess truly fascinating how they did that despite lacking in resources just wow

 

[Bigboii]

They were tired and India had a bad reputation in terms of mosquito, diseases, monsoon and terrible infrastructure for armies to March in so it was very hard to invade India an empire or no empire and these tactics almost Always stopped people from invading whole of India yes North came under control but not a lot of invaders stood around(they had to assillate and stay there it's a hard place only modern Brit managed to govern from a mother country) India is a harsh place for forieghners especially Europeans so no wonder his armies freaked out cause of stories of thousands of people, eliphants, diseases

Persians always had an empire in the true sense of the word they're an envy for the world I must say, always had great empires from God knows how many centuries India, china, Persia maybe Egyptians (but not so sure about that) were always throughout centuries were doing great but I think only Persians actually controlled most of the territory they know have and for thousands of years they had the empire game on the lockdown with their muscle memory I guess �� truly fascinating how they did that despite lacking in resources just wow

Sorry mods I am a nerd (swear it's the last one�&#56833 I just have to share this last thing regarding the reason for Persian success throughout history

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Highly recommend the channel too if you're into history

 

[Napa]

They were tired and India had a bad reputation in terms of mosquito, diseases, monsoon and terrible infrastructure for armies to March in so it was very hard to invade India an empire or no empire and these tactics almost

Lots of excuses here, reminds me of the Alexander movie from Hollywood. I prefer to believe Plutarch who wrote that Alexander's army having been pushed to the brink by Puru, preferred not to fight the larger Indian empire waiting for them next.

Persians always had an empire in the true sense of the word they're an envy for the world I must say, always had great empires from God knows how many centuries India, china, Persia maybe Egyptians (but not so sure about that) were always throughout centuries were doing great but I think only Persians actually controlled most of the territory they know have and for thousands of years they had the empire game on the lockdown with their muscle memory I guess &#55357;&#56834; truly fascinating how they did that despite lacking in resources just wow

The Persians went through a series of empires like the Achaemenid, Parthian, Sasnian etc., not very different from the Mauryas, Guptas, Nandas etc. in India.

The biggest Persian empire was the Achaemenid, which is ranked #20 in the list of largest empires.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires#Empires_at_their_greatest_extent

Anyway, I regard the Greek city state of Athens more highly for its intellectual achievements than the Macedonians who overran them, or the Achaemenids.

 

[Bigboii]

Lots of excuses here, reminds me of the Alexander movie from Hollywood. I prefer to believe Plutarch who wrote that Alexander's army having been pushed to the brink by Puru, preferred not to fight the larger Indian empire waiting for them next.



The Persians went through a series of empires like the Achaemenid, Parthian, Sasnian etc., not very different from the Mauryas, Guptas, Nandas etc. in India.

The biggest Persian empire was the Achaemenid, which is ranked #20 in the list of largest empires.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires#Empires_at_their_greatest_extent

Anyway, I regard the Greek city state of Athens more highly for its intellectual achievements than the Macedonians who overran them, or the Achaemenids.

This would go off topic but India is a hard place to have a campaign in if the guy can beat Egyptians and persians than he sure as hell can beat Indian states it's the land itself with high pop that is difficult to deal with for invaders and imagine as a soldier you faught of two superpowers and is about to March on another one with advantage of some sort of gun powder, beasts, diseases, and huge population that can stand thousands of soldiers in weeks know this would scare the begegees out of any army let alone a tired and low moralled army

And if you're going to downplay Persian achievements as empires than I don't think you like history that much and is only interested in shoving your point down our throats makes no sense what so ever

I wish you can understand how much of a great nation state they were (there's no reason for biased opinions just think about it why did they have empires throughout centuries and they were always superpowers of the world)

While we can take pride in Indian heritage but that doesn't mean we cannot appreciate what others have done that's the best part of history come without biases you would even find Mongols of all people fascinating and cool

I wish we had another thread to discuss my geekiness

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I understand that due to your religion and nationality you are dismissive of the historical achievements of the subcontinent, but those more knowledgeable have reason to believe that it far exceeds that of Persia. The same remains true in the modern world.

The subcontinent is also the legacy of your ancestors, learn more about it and develop a bit more confidence

I think if anybody is having trouble looking beyond religion and nationality here it is you, not Knight_Rider. Indian subcontinent does not have a reputation of any great civilisation outside of India itself. Maybe that is unfair, but I am not here to argue what is fair, just observing the reality. How many foreign films do you see where great empires clashed with Indians? Even the fact that Alexander turned back at reaching India probably came as a great surprise to the majority of people.

Also perceptions of strength often come from amount of power a country currently has. Indian subcontinent is still seen as relatively poor, and useful only for cheap labour at the present time. There is nothing there which commands much respect in comparison to other nations.

 

[Bigboii]

I think if anybody is having trouble looking beyond religion and nationality here it is you, not Knight_Rider. Indian subcontinent does not have a reputation of any great civilisation outside of India itself. Maybe that is unfair, but I am not here to argue what is fair, just observing the reality. How many foreign films do you see where great empires clashed with Indians? Even the fact that Alexander turned back at reaching India probably came as a great surprise to the majority of people.

Did china conquer areas maybe Korea or Vietnam at most, US didn't just a couple of islands, Indian civilizations didn't need to do that either, cause SC had every resource it needed to survive and PROSPER with trade

I mean if you are rulling over a gold mine why would you wanna go and conquer deserts and rain forests doesn't make sense it's better to just maintain that gold mine and work with it

About poverty before the Brits SC was always in top 3 GDP mostly between 2-1 between china and India back and forth
So I am sure poverty levels in SC might be lower if not that than atleast at par with any great nation of that time of

Yes the white man destroyed the great civilizations and SC is mostly poor because of them

 

[Napa]

I think if anybody is having trouble looking beyond religion and nationality here it is you, not Knight_Rider. Indian subcontinent does not have a reputation of any great civilisation outside of India itself. Maybe that is unfair, but I am not here to argue what is fair, just observing the reality. How many foreign films do you see where great empires clashed with Indians? Even the fact that Alexander turned back at reaching India probably came as a great surprise to the majority of people.

Couple of observations:

1) Yes, most people in the West get their view of the world and history from pop media. So they may indeed be surprised at the fact that Alexander's army turned tail and ran at the prospect of fighting the Nandas. Some may even be so delusional to believe that the lack of roads in India more than two thousand years ago was the reason they turned back.

2) What misinformed Westerners believe is hardly of any concern to me. If they choose to take the easy way out and not dig deeper for information, I can't help them. I quite understand that with your wannabe-Brit psyche, their opinion is important to you, but you would be better off if you developed more confidence in yourself and your own heritage. There is a lot in the subcontinent's history to be proud of, and in the modern day there are many from the subcontinent who are doing well.

Also perceptions of strength often come from amount of power a country currently has. Indian subcontinent is still seen as relatively poor, and useful only for cheap labour at the present time. There is nothing there which commands much respect in comparison to other nations.

Not really true. Most countries, especially the Trump-led US is trying hard to build better relations with India. Just like India is trying to build better relations with the US. Again, it is more important what you yourself achieve than worry about what the Westerners think of you.

 

[sjahmed23]

Afghan invasion, war on terror and a million other reasons tbh along with the fact we are cursed with bad political leaders. We do not believe in long term planning but focus on marginal gains to get us by. I think Imran Khan is also proving to be a disappointment thus far because he is choosing the same people who were in other governments because they are so called electables. Sad part is these electables show up in every government because they belong to jagidaar families and they only benefit by keeping the status quo.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Just because you don't know about Ashoka the Great, or the temples of Ajanta & Ellora doesn't mean they didn't exist. I seem to remember [MENTION=143303]Bosanquet[/MENTION] mentioning the section on Indian historical artifacts in the British Museum.

Greek gods? How were they "superior" to Indian gods? Only reason for believing Greek mythology to be "superior" would be some pathetic slavish devotion to the West.

Here is what Plutarch had to say how Alexander the Great's army, the destroyer of the Persian Empire, turned tail and ran from the prospect of facing India's Gandhara Empire.

Alexander was so frazzled and angry by this retreat that he punished his army by leading them back through the Balochistan desert where much of his army perished.

Indian history is much more than what you may have learned in your Pakistani or British textbooks. Educate yourself, it is also your heritage.

There is another thread in which India's historical legacy is discussed, you can read it to get more information. Also, as far as history goes, I place very little importance to buildings and warmongers/conquerors and respect intellectual achievement much more.

The Ashoka empire and those temples are not significant because they didnt leave a legacy behind. Even in India many wont be much aware of them. Point is that indian dynasties and civilisations have always been confined to their small area within SC and regularly got trampled over by other superior Civilizations. This is why today’s India itself is a mixture of several other cultural influences. Whereas it cant really be said the other way round.

The india section in British museum really is miniscule, so much so that you wont even notice it. Whereas the China and Persia sections are much larger. Even African civilzations gallery is bigger than that of Indias.

Though i do agree that we (in Pakistan) should find out more about our past civilisations and thanks for the pointers, which i will look into but never the less its easy enough to see that we didn’t leave much of a mark on other civilizations but instead retreated and shrank to be within the small confines of the Sub continent.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Did china conquer areas maybe Korea or Vietnam at most, US didn't just a couple of islands, Indian civilizations didn't need to do that either, cause SC had every resource it needed to survive and PROSPER with trade

I mean if you are rulling over a gold mine why would you wanna go and conquer deserts and rain forests doesn't make sense it's better to just maintain that gold mine and work with it

About poverty before the Brits SC was always in top 3 GDP mostly between 2-1 between china and India back and forth
So I am sure poverty levels in SC might be lower if not that than atleast at par with any great nation of that time of

Yes the white man destroyed the great civilizations and SC is mostly poor because of them

I was talking in terms of the whole subcontinent, so when you talk about China you would probably have to include Japan as well as part of that continent, and as we all know, the Americans had to resort to nuclear weapons to stop them. So perception of that part of Asia is different to perception of the subcontinent.

Also China has risen above poverty and hygiene standards far and above the subcontinent, so that also signifies strength and values to the outside world.

 

[Napa]

The Ashoka empire and those temples are not significant because they didnt leave a legacy behind.

Just when I think the think this discussion has hit rock bottom, it gets worse.

What legacy did Cyrus the Great (who you mentioned) leave behind that Ashoka the Great didn’t???

Even in India many wont be much aware of them.

Wrong.

Point is that indian dynasties and civilisations have always been confined to their small area within SC and regularly got trampled over by other superior Civilizations.

You probably hold Genghis Khan in the highest regard and think that the Mongol horsemen the pinnacle of “superior Civilizations”.

Your golden boys the Persians got serially run over by the Macedonians, the Romans, the Arabs, the Turks and the Mongols.

There is a reason why modern the Iranian population is now only 25% Y-chromosome R1a (the Indo-European haplogroup).

 

[Knight_Rider]

Greek system formed the basis of western civilization. Greek philosopher like Socrates are still regarded highly and are relevant today. Olympic games is another example of greek legacy.
Persian culture and influence is visible in many countries like Turkey, Arabia and even india. The briyani and pulao we eat to the ghazals and architecture are all persian in origin. Even in Hindustani language there are numerous words of farsi origin that india is trying to cleanse. As for Cyrus himself take a look at the wiki page on his legacy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great

Compared to that what India’s legacy and what Ashoka’s claim to fame?

May be you yourself have hit the rock bottom because you cant come up with the backing facts to justify the glorious indian history.

 

[Asifnow]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] I'm worried about you bro, where you gone? Still awaiting a reply

 

[Bigboii]

Just when I think the think this discussion has hit rock bottom, it gets worse.

What legacy did Cyrus the Great (who you mentioned) leave behind that Ashoka the Great didn’t???



Wrong.



You probably hold Genghis Khan in the highest regard and think that the Mongol horsemen the pinnacle of “superior Civilizations”.

Your golden boys the Persians got serially run over by the Macedonians, the Romans, the Arabs, the Turks and the Mongols.

There is a reason why modern the Iranian population is now only 25% Y-chromosome R1a (the Indo-European haplogroup).

whats with you and Persians??
They were at the crossroads a terrible position to be in and still managed to make great empires they never backed off after all the beatings (tbf it's like saying India can't be your golden eyed boy- civilization cause nomadic people invaded em which proved that the theory is bonkers) the country and played a big part in the history of SC especially it's Muslim one that's all what he is saying and he is not wrong they were important as far as Islamic history in SC is concerned and I don't see anything wrong with associating with em a bit culturally off course we shouldn't think we are Persians or something but we have a lot of cultural similarities with Persians

 

[Knight_Rider]

whats with you and Persians?? &#55357;&#56834;
They were at the crossroads a terrible position to be in and still managed to make great empires they never backed off after all the beatings (tbf it's like saying India can't be your golden eyed boy- civilization cause nomadic people invaded em which proved that the theory is bonkers) the country and played a big part in the history of SC especially it's Muslim one that's all what he is saying and he is not wrong they were important as far as Islamic history in SC is concerned and I don't see anything wrong with associating with em a bit culturally off course we shouldn't think we are Persians or something but we have a lot of cultural similarities with Persians

Indian ancient civilisation and its culture couldn’t even survive in India properly, forget having an impact on the world. Todays India is known for its culture and tradition from middle ages, which are heavily influenced by the culture of its foreign rulers.

He Knows this and is deliberately trying to hide behind Ashoka.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Indian ancient civilisation and its culture couldn’t even survive in India properly, forget having an impact on the world. Todays India is known for its culture and tradition from middle ages, which are heavily influenced by the culture of its foreign rulers.

He Knows this and is deliberately trying to hide behind Ashoka.

Ashoka's persecution of Hindus and the so called hell he created for Brahmin priests et al is completely glossed over cuz 'Ashoka is ours' has to be propagated as theres nothing much going for them. The Delhi sultanate fought off multiple Mongol invasions while simultaneously conquering Gujarat while the Hindu kings were sat twiddling their thumbs )

 

[RajBan]

Looks like most are very weak in history here or maybe intentionally peddling lies. But yes ignorance is bliss .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indian ancient civilisation and its culture couldn’t even survive in India properly, forget having an impact on the world. Todays India is known for its culture and tradition from middle ages, which are heavily influenced by the culture of its foreign rulers.

He Knows this and is deliberately trying to hide behind Ashoka.

What is Indian civilisation anyway? They can't even decide the name of their own country unless it is defined by the foreign conquerors during the last few centuries. India? Bharat? Hindustan? I think we'll settle on the British definition for now.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Looks like most are very weak in history here or maybe intentionally peddling lies. But yes ignorance is bliss .

What lies exactly?

For Indians like yourself Ashoka may be the greatest human being but the rest of the world isnt even aware of his existence. Ignorance is a bliss for you guys because you need to Artificially glorify India’s history to make yourself feel better.

 

[amax]

What lies exactly?

For Indians like yourself Ashoka may be the greatest human being but the rest of the world isnt even aware of his existence. Ignorance is a bliss for you guys because you need to Artificially glorify India’s history to make yourself feel better.

India has lots of achievements in ancient times , its just that what western civilization has achieved post renaisance and industrial revolution , everything pales infront of it, just after breaktrough in computing and micrprocessor in 1980 global scientic output doubles every 9 years, also what has persia achieved in last hundreds of years ? it is nothing more than sister country of saudia arabia.

 

[Knight_Rider]

India has <b>lots of achievements </b>in ancient times , its just that what western civilization has achieved post renaisance and industrial revolution , everything pales infront of it, just after breaktrough in computing and micrprocessor in 1980 global scientic output doubles every 9 years, also what has persia achieved in last hundreds of years ? it is nothing more than sister country of saudia arabia.

Like what?

India has visible cultural, culinary and linguistic influences from Persia. The same cannot be said the other way round.

Even in Modern history India has nothing to claim other than providing Cheap labour. Now dont start with you long list of justifications and the count of CEOs. Its all been said and heard before on these forums.

 

[daytrader]

₹ 20 Crore Cash Seized After Raids On West Bengal Minister Partha Chatterjee's Aide
The search teams are taking the assistance of bank officials for the counting of cash through counting machines.

New Delhi: The Enforcement Directorate today recovered ₹ 20 crore in cash from the house of an associate of West Bengal Minister Partha Chatterjee. The ED raided Arpita Mukerjee's house in connection with an alleged teacher recruitment scam in West Bengal.
"The said amount is suspected to be proceeds of crime of the said SSC scam," the probe agency said in a statement.

The search teams are taking the assistance of bank officials for the counting of cash through counting machines.

More than 20 mobile phones have also been recovered from the premises of Arpita Mukherjee, the purpose and use of which are being ascertained.

Apart from Chatterjee, the ED also conducted raids on Minister of State for Education Paresh C Adhikary, MLA Manik Bhattacharya and others.

Partha Chatterjee, who is presently the minister for industries and commerce, was the education minister when the alleged illegal appointments were made in government-run and aided schools by West Bengal School Service Commission (WBSSC).

NDTV

 

[Stewie]

That’s a falsehood. Innovation and diversity is not given or inherited, its developed and harvested. Our corruption was at a much higher level than India’s. I don’t think we fully comprehend the level of corruption our country has been subjected to since the days of ZAB. It absolutely eclipses anything India has. Not just in terms of financial corruption but in terms of the loss of residual benefits the nation was supposed to reap. We have stifled all forms of development and progress thanks to corruption throughout the system, democratic leaders as well as military dictators.

I called it back in 2019, I think some of you might now be seeing what I really meant back then.

 

[JaDed]

Honestly Sri Lanka has taken the cake the right now, corruption inefficiency my God the Island nation has left everyone behind.

 

[Stewie]

Honestly Sri Lanka has taken the cake the right now, corruption inefficiency my God the Island nation has left everyone behind.

We are not too far behind, as much as I would hate to say it. Just like SRL, we have father holding the most powerful position of the country and the son holding the second most powerful position of the country.

And they have no clue whats going on with the people, they are just busy trying to make sure their interim govt completes its remaining term and that they win re-election after that.

I actually want the country to default and things to get so bad like SRL people cannot afford simple things, only then they will come out and drag these evil leaders to death. THis is the only way Pakistan will get cleaned up and get better, a bloody revolution where all the corrupt military and non military leaders get whats coming to them.

 

[JaDed]

We are not too far behind, as much as I would hate to say it. Just like SRL, we have father holding the most powerful position of the country and the son holding the second most powerful position of the country.

And they have no clue whats going on with the people, they are just busy trying to make sure their interim govt completes its remaining term and that they win re-election after that.

I actually want the country to default and things to get so bad like SRL people cannot afford simple things, only then they will come out and drag these evil leaders to death. THis is the only way Pakistan will get cleaned up and get better, a bloody revolution where all the corrupt military and non military leaders get whats coming to them.

Did you see who the Lankan Parliament voted to be the president now?

Imagine zardari becoming the PM after Shariffs were asked to step down, this is after default and after the President ran away I mean couldn’t get worse.

 

[Stewie]

Did you see who the Lankan Parliament voted to be the president now?

Imagine zardari becoming the PM after Shariffs were asked to step down, this is after default and after the President ran away I mean couldn’t get worse.

I dont follow their politics and I think we are at a point where the people will not accept any of the old guard. If they do so, it will be very short LIVED.

People in Pakistan want results and to be able to afford things. Its not looking pretty at the moment.