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How do you rate Imran Khan's speech at the UNGA on 27th September, 2019?

How do you rate Imran Khan's speech at the UNGA on 27th September, 2019?


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To me it was a speech that I had yearned to listen to from a Pakistan leader at the UN but I gather there are other opinions too.

So vote in poll and explain.
 
Imran generally delivers brilliant speeches. This man is very articulate and speaks with charisma.

I think he made some great points.
 
The last minute or so was like Mike Tyson with an uppercut, people sat up and took notice.

Most leaders dont or canot speak honestly as Imran did.

Proud day for Pakistan having a leader speak like this to the planet.
 
Best speech since ZAF spoke to the UNSC in 1971. Less firebrand, but more logical. Loved it.
 
10/10.

The best speech I’ve ever heard.

Bang on the money.
 
Best speech ever. For the first time any Pak leader mentioned terrorism committed by other religions that are never linked with believers of those faiths. Best thing was exposing the history of the RSS and Modi rightfully comparing them to Hitler. Great to know him say should India dare hold Pak responsible after the curfew in IoK is lifted then we won't be held responsible of what occurs there on. As seen after Pulwama Pak is not Bangladesh or Sri Lanka who will remain silent on the face of aggression. We are gonna hit back and hit back very hard to any misadventure.
 
I have a different opinion on the speech, to many on this thread. The only good bit was about tax havens and why they were ruining developing countries. Otherwise, it was a very pretentious speech.

Some of the more horrifying bits were:

- Imran reaffirming the medieval concept of blasphemy, accusing the West of not giving special importance to his prophet, importance not accorded to western religious figures..amazing. This was when I realized how dangerous he is.

- Accusing the West and India of islamophobia while not a word about China where actual islamophobia exists i.e qurans banned, muslim names banned, fasting banned .. not a word about any of that lol.

- Threatening to hold the world hostage with nuclear weapons

- He contemplated himself picking up the gun and going to fight, which oddly several people in the Pakistani contingent cheered.

To sum it up .. any non-pakistani watching this speech would have come off more scared of Imran rather than Modi. The speech has had the opposite effect of what Imran intended.
 
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I have a different opinion on the speech, to many on this thread. The only good bit was about tax havens and why they were ruining developing countries. Otherwise, it was a very pretentious speech.

Some of the more horrifying bits were:

- Imran reaffirming the medieval concept of blasphemy, accusing the West of not giving special importance to his prophet, importance not accorded to western religious figures..amazing. This was when I realized how dangerous he is.

- Accusing the West and India of islamophobia while not a word about China where actual islamophobia exists i.e qurans banned, muslim names banned, fasting banned .. not a word about any of that lol.

- Threatening to hold the world hostage with nuclear weapons

- He contemplated himself picking up the gun and going to fight, which oddly several people in the Pakistani contingent cheered.

- To sum it up .. any non-pakistani watching this speech would have come off more scared of Imran rather than Modi. The speech has had the opposite effect of what Imran intended.

Non-Pakistani watching this would say Pakistani are standing up for themselves and would fight until their last breath for freedom.

Isn’t that US and other country promote.
 
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I have a different opinion on the speech, to many on this thread. The only good bit was about tax havens and why they were ruining developing countries. Otherwise, it was a very pretentious speech.

Some of the more horrifying bits were:

- Imran reaffirming the medieval concept of blasphemy, accusing the West of not giving special importance to his prophet, importance not accorded to western religious figures..amazing. This was when I realized how dangerous he is.

-Accusing the West and India of islamophobia while not a word about China where actual islamophobia exists i.e qurans banned, muslim names banned, fasting banned .. not a word about any of that lol.

- Threatening to hold the world hostage with nuclear weapons

- He contemplated himself picking up the gun and going to fight, which oddly several people in the Pakistani contingent cheered.

- To sum it up .. any non-pakistani watching this speech would have come off more scared of Imran rather than Modi. The speech has had the opposite effect of what Imran intended.

from last 55 days, the whole BJP govt , Modi and thre lunatics including the indian army chief chanting about war and PoK.
so he just made it clear to the whole world not just to BJP that any misadventure from India directly or indirectly will have consequences beyond your imagination.
 
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This speech will likely make sure that there is no bilateral dialogue or engagement for next 5 yrs. Thanks for that.
 
I have a different opinion on the speech, to many on this thread. The only good bit was about tax havens and why they were ruining developing countries. Otherwise, it was a very pretentious speech.

Some of the more horrifying bits were:

- Imran reaffirming the medieval concept of blasphemy, accusing the West of not giving special importance to his prophet, importance not accorded to western religious figures..amazing. This was when I realized how dangerous he is.

- Accusing the West and India of islamophobia while not a word about China where actual islamophobia exists i.e qurans banned, muslim names banned, fasting banned .. not a word about any of that lol.

- Threatening to hold the world hostage with nuclear weapons

- He contemplated himself picking up the gun and going to fight, which oddly several people in the Pakistani contingent cheered.

To sum it up .. any non-pakistani watching this speech would have come off more scared of Imran rather than Modi. The speech has had the opposite effect of what Imran intended.

What’s the point of posting his statements out of context? He said, he would think of picking up a gun if his family was killed or tortured. What do you find wrong in that statement?

Also saying that that a country would defend itself with the weapons they have is not holding anyone hostage, it’s common sense. Honestly most of us here have heard his speech, so what are you trying to prove by posting out of context misleading bits?
 
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This speech will likely make sure that there is no bilateral dialogue or engagement for next 5 yrs. Thanks for that.

Bjp should just its face, they are ones who always try , still remember Nawaz on his oath ceremony , hand holding with the man ,visiting Pak and then Jindal backdoor nonsense.

Modi is the one who should be sent to Pak, Manmohan and other Congress ministers had always maintained their distance.

This is why Punjabis should always vote congress, atleast there is a calculated stand than whatever BJP tries every single time.
 
Don't think any Pakistani leader could have spoken any more truthfully whole heartedly.
 
This speech will likely make sure that there is no bilateral dialogue or engagement for next 5 yrs. Thanks for that.

Yes - we could all see Modi and his government rushing to engage in bilateral dialogue before today....
 
This speech will likely make sure that there is no bilateral dialogue or engagement for next 5 yrs. Thanks for that.
That is everyone of us want, do not need to talk with a chaiwla run govt who has his hands soaked with blood.
 
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Top speech. And rightly puts UN on the ball to sort this, alongside putting the Kashmir issue on the global forefront.

World class leader. And a true statesman.
 
Bjp should just its face, they are ones who always try , still remember Nawaz on his oath ceremony , hand holding with the man ,visiting Pak and then Jindal backdoor nonsense.

Modi is the one who should be sent to Pak, Manmohan and other Congress ministers had always maintained their distance.

This is why Punjabis should always vote congress, atleast there is a calculated stand than whatever BJP tries every single time.

Modi had to try. He sincerely tried. Got backstabbed and now he is in no mood to have anything to do with pakistan. Unlike Vajpayee and MMS, Modi has actually learnt his lesson.

MMS maintained distance? Read Sharm El Shaikh. His ministers like Mani Shankar Aiyar were a disgrace.Jindal is a congressi family.

I will tell yoy one thing, Indira Gandhi handled Pakistan the best. Yes she had her faults, but her handling of pakistan is an example.
 
Good. Hope the so called selected PM, who the western media referred to as Taliban Khan talks more about pakistan and less about India.

Has he been referred to as “Taliban Khan” since he became PM? What happened before he was elected isn’t really relevant.

Just look at modi, he couldn’t get a US visa before he was elected but now gets vip treatment there.

I would think being banned from entering a country is worse then being called names.
 
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One of the greatest speeches in modern mankind's history.

What makes it special is that he spoke from his heart.

Truly a leader filled with compassion and who can see the world with the eyes of humanity.

He can bring peace to Asian bloc.
 
Absolutely loved it. Top quality stuff. No drama, no lies, say the way it is.

Spoke about peace and progress and called the real terrorists out aka Modi and BJP. Their drama needed to be exposed in front of the world and Imran did it with perfection. You cannot place a million armymen for decades and terrorize and kill innocent civilians over a disputed land and pretend everything is normal, you need to be exposed for your terrorism and Imran did it without fear.

Love how he directly says any wrong doing from across the border ll be delth with severe consequences, which Pakistan is well capable of to teach a lesson, just like how we did earlier this year and humiliated them in the international media.
 
Amazing speech, and I love how he spoke straight from the heart instead of preparing a typical diplomatic UN style speech.
 
Great speech, the best I have heard by a pakistani leader. Just amazed how he remembered every little thing by heart.
May Allah protect him, the way he attacked the hypocrisy of US in their own backyard could be dangerous for his life. The killing of Zia Ul Haq and King Faisal come to mind.
 
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Lage raho :yawn
 
This speech will likely make sure that there is no bilateral dialogue or engagement for next 5 yrs. Thanks for that.

As if you were willing for it. Lol.

Whenever we talk about peace negotiations, you guys can't stop harping about state-sponsored terrorism, Balochistan, war hysteria, teach a lesson bla bla bla.

Stop acting like you want peace.
 
Excellent speech. Straight from the heart and extempore. Just what was required.

Clear stance on climate change. Check.
Clear stance against tax havens and money laundering. Check.
Expose Islamophobia and explain blasphemy laws. Check.
Explain Islam's message of peace and prosperity for all. Check.
Expose RSS ideology and Modi's modus operandi when dealing with Muslims. Check.
Request UN to improve Kashmir situation. Check.

Finally, the best part of the speech was when he said
"Our belief is La Ilaha Ilallah. No God but Allah. WE. WILL. FIGHT."

This has ruffled feathers big time but it was necessary.

So glad to have him as the face of Pakistan for the world.
 
It wasnt Warning, it was a Threat. all indian media/govt and public was just stunned. they are still in state of shock. we just drag thre shining India Image on the streets of UNGA.
 
Since the jazbati speech is being shown over and over again, one gets to notice the small things.

He said that he doesn’t understand why the west allows off-shore companies to operate. Well he should ask himself because he opened one much earlier than Nawaz Sharif.
 
As if you were willing for it. Lol.

Whenever we talk about peace negotiations, you guys can't stop harping about state-sponsored terrorism, Balochistan, war hysteria, teach a lesson bla bla bla.

Stop acting like you want peace.

Pakistan wants peace? LMAO.

Thats why it has not adhered to any of the agreements signed. Right?

If peace means Pakistan doing what it wants and India keeping quiet, that peace has no value for Indians.
 
Pakistan wants peace? LMAO.

Thats why it has not adhered to any of the agreements signed. Right?

If peace means Pakistan doing what it wants and India keeping quiet, that peace has no value for Indians.

We gave you Abhinandan, without any pressure whatsoever. That wasn't a peace gesture?
Would you have done the same?

Regardless, it doesn't matter now. Imran's speech has already exposed RSS, BJP and Modi completely.
 
We gave you Abhinandan, without any pressure whatsoever. That wasn't a peace gesture?
Would you have done the same?

Regardless, it doesn't matter now. Imran's speech has already exposed RSS, BJP and Modi completely.

You gave Abhinandan? Lol. Read a few international articled about the situation that forced Pakistan to release Abhinandan.

Pakistani state has violated every agreement on peace with India. Its useless to engage with them.

So whatever Imran says becomes international law? LMAO.

Imran only put forward the Pakistani narrative. Has thr world accepted it?
 
Pakistan wants peace? LMAO.

Thats why it has not adhered to any of the agreements signed. Right?

If peace means Pakistan doing what it wants and India keeping quiet, that peace has no value for Indians.

So tempted to call you all sorts of names, put downs etc. Because it’s easy to do when you are confronting an extremist like yourself...

You are ignoring Ik’s Speach last week when he explained history and how his first step when coming into power was to reach out to India.

He answered questions regarding the military and dispelled the myth about being a “selected” PM.

He saw the actions taken by India with respect to trying to get it blacklisted...

Now here’s the crux.
Why would a country with all its diplomacy and intelligence do this? Why not take the offer of talks?
Why even take a route that could result in millions of people being killed on both sides of the boarder?

Is it not the job of government to try and negotiate peace? Even if it’s at lower them Ministerial level?

Pakistan finally got rid of the corrupt leaders who pandered to India and this was clearly against India’s agenda.

I know all this will go over your head and you’ll start quoting history again. Afterall you’re a brainwashed individual.

Meanwhile 8m people are in lockdown and how do you and your government justify the banning of the press in IOK let alone the banning of MP’s from India?
 
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You gave Abhinandan? Lol. Read a few international articled about the situation that forced Pakistan to release Abhinandan.

Pakistani state has violated every agreement on peace with India. Its useless to engage with them.

So whatever Imran says becomes international law? LMAO.

Imran only put forward the Pakistani narrative. Has thr world accepted it?

You are so repetitive...
Bring something new
 
You gave Abhinandan? Lol. Read a few international articled about the situation that forced Pakistan to release Abhinandan.

Pakistani state has violated every agreement on peace with India. Its useless to engage with them.

So whatever Imran says becomes international law? LMAO.

Imran only put forward the Pakistani narrative. Has thr world accepted it?

Forced? Yea right. That's excatly why NO jouralists EVER reminded him of those "articles" whenever he says that he released Tea lover as a peace gesture.

Whatever Imran said is verifiable. Your words, however, are biased because you don't have to face consequences for everything that you say on this forum, unlike Imran.

And, really, no one wants to engage in peace with a fake "secular" nation of arrogant individuals.
 
Forced? Yea right. That's excatly why NO jouralists EVER reminded him of those "articles" whenever he says that he released Tea lover as a peace gesture.

Whatever Imran said is verifiable. Your words, however, are biased because you don't have to face consequences for everything that you say on this forum, unlike Imran.

And, really, no one wants to engage in peace with a fake "secular" nation of arrogant individuals.

IK said they released him as a gesture of goodwill, has any world power come out and disputed this?

IK also said that the Indian Government (and Media) twisted the facts to win an election and he was right.

Some of these Indians are brainwashed bafoons.
 
For all the hype lmran Khan made, the speech was worth for his followers. It was entertaining, extempore, with emotional chords. He turned on his full charisma for this event. It was good for them as it was a brilliant performance.

Frankly, it was more focused on his domestic audience than to UNGA.

To the neutral, the political observers, think-tanks, diplomats who gets briefings from their intelligence agencies – who will have thick files on every organization/money launderers, radicals . It won’t cut ice.

They would have spent enough time on Islamaphobia, jihad organization, the actors, they know about pulls and forces behind every move.

When Imran says –PK trained Al-Qaeda/Taliban and later he says Pakistan has nothing to do with the war on Terror!

It may be good on rhetoric but lacks substance and convincing..
Imran saying, terror networks are being disbanded and their activities curtailed, while the reality is different, it is yet to take 20 out of 27 measures monitored by FATF.

He talks about oppression about Kashmir, while Pakistan army oppression continues in Balochistan and Tribal area. Pakistan has imposed similar curfew in his own tribal area.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...check-post-attack-hiding-190528152016209.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/world/asia/pakistan-tribal-pashtun-justice-army.html

So, the UNGA knows the ground realities which shows different picture.
He portrayed Pak as a victim on all subjects – including climate change

True. Imran Khan Government has done an appreciable work in planting billion trees in KP.
But Pakistan climate change goals by 2030 are achievable - subject to international funding.
Those who know, view it as pleading for money.

He portrayed, Pakistan as a victim of radical Islam – while Pakistan have a large number of Madrassas which shuts critical thinking of a child – and promotes social bonding and obedience. Such children are more amenable for brain washing and exploited by terror networks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrassas_in_Pakistan

If he had taken actions and reformed Madrassa, the world would have applauded..

The bottom line is - He has given his best speech. No doubt and portrayed best defence of Pakistan and given his constraints in functioning of his government.

Now, for all his fiery speeches, the spot light is on Kashmir for a while, and world community will show outrage or condemn any extra judicial killings for a while. India will ignore, as Pakistan/Myanmar are now doing against such statements.

On the ground, there will be no change.

Pakistan has to act militarily to effect a change. For that, Pak Military will have a larger say on the subject than Imran.

Politically, Imran can do another fiery speech in OIC and call for action. With cut throat energy market and Saudi Arabia investing in Reliance, Iraq being the largest exporter of oil to India - no sanctions are possible.. It may create some noise, nothing further..

My view is - For all his personal investment on Kashmir, if all fails – Imran may resign his post and call for personal jihad.

To me, Imran comes as a sincere person to effect a change – He may not be a saint. But a practical politician.

Imran can do more good, if he focuses more on economic reforms than Kashmir.
Trade /Economy power can force many hands. –eg. Saudi investment of USD 20 billion in Reliance will protect Mundra port where Reliance has world largest petrochemical refinery– a sensitive target from Pakistan than any potential weapon.

Only a naïve will believe that diplomacy can change the status quo particularly in Kashmir now.
Kashmiris and Pakistanis on this forum may not concur to the above view, as they are angry with Indian oppression.

I too feel sorry, as innocent Kashmiris are paying the price and played as pawns by bigger powers. One has to understand counter terrorism operations are brutal and illegal in every country. It is so for Pakistan and also for India.

If this Kashmir imbroglio, somehow brings a change and focus on economy and trade, it will definitely will bring succor and warmth to Kashmiris than anything.

I hope his speeches are more practical and brings a positive change than war.
 
For all the hype lmran Khan made, the speech was worth for his followers. It was entertaining, extempore, with emotional chords. He turned on his full charisma for this event. It was good for them as it was a brilliant performance.

Frankly, it was more focused on his domestic audience than to UNGA.

To the neutral, the political observers, think-tanks, diplomats who gets briefings from their intelligence agencies – who will have thick files on every organization/money launderers, radicals . It won’t cut ice.

They would have spent enough time on Islamaphobia, jihad organization, the actors, they know about pulls and forces behind every move.

When Imran says –PK trained Al-Qaeda/Taliban and later he says Pakistan has nothing to do with the war on Terror!

It may be good on rhetoric but lacks substance and convincing..
Imran saying, terror networks are being disbanded and their activities curtailed, while the reality is different, it is yet to take 20 out of 27 measures monitored by FATF.

He talks about oppression about Kashmir, while Pakistan army oppression continues in Balochistan and Tribal area. Pakistan has imposed similar curfew in his own tribal area.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...check-post-attack-hiding-190528152016209.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/world/asia/pakistan-tribal-pashtun-justice-army.html

So, the UNGA knows the ground realities which shows different picture.
He portrayed Pak as a victim on all subjects – including climate change

True. Imran Khan Government has done an appreciable work in planting billion trees in KP.
But Pakistan climate change goals by 2030 are achievable - subject to international funding.
Those who know, view it as pleading for money.

He portrayed, Pakistan as a victim of radical Islam – while Pakistan have a large number of Madrassas which shuts critical thinking of a child – and promotes social bonding and obedience. Such children are more amenable for brain washing and exploited by terror networks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrassas_in_Pakistan

If he had taken actions and reformed Madrassa, the world would have applauded..

The bottom line is - He has given his best speech. No doubt and portrayed best defence of Pakistan and given his constraints in functioning of his government.

Now, for all his fiery speeches, the spot light is on Kashmir for a while, and world community will show outrage or condemn any extra judicial killings for a while. India will ignore, as Pakistan/Myanmar are now doing against such statements.

On the ground, there will be no change.

Pakistan has to act militarily to effect a change. For that, Pak Military will have a larger say on the subject than Imran.

Politically, Imran can do another fiery speech in OIC and call for action. With cut throat energy market and Saudi Arabia investing in Reliance, Iraq being the largest exporter of oil to India - no sanctions are possible.. It may create some noise, nothing further..

My view is - For all his personal investment on Kashmir, if all fails – Imran may resign his post and call for personal jihad.

To me, Imran comes as a sincere person to effect a change – He may not be a saint. But a practical politician.

Imran can do more good, if he focuses more on economic reforms than Kashmir.
Trade /Economy power can force many hands. –eg. Saudi investment of USD 20 billion in Reliance will protect Mundra port where Reliance has world largest petrochemical refinery– a sensitive target from Pakistan than any potential weapon.

Only a naïve will believe that diplomacy can change the status quo particularly in Kashmir now.
Kashmiris and Pakistanis on this forum may not concur to the above view, as they are angry with Indian oppression.

I too feel sorry, as innocent Kashmiris are paying the price and played as pawns by bigger powers. One has to understand counter terrorism operations are brutal and illegal in every country. It is so for Pakistan and also for India.

If this Kashmir imbroglio, somehow brings a change and focus on economy and trade, it will definitely will bring succor and warmth to Kashmiris than anything.

I hope his speeches are more practical and brings a positive change than war.

Gosh you spent a lot of time typing this.
Have to admit I haven’t read it but will put it mostly down to an extremist mind spouting his opinion.

Why so?
Because India’s stance makes no sense whatsoever.
You can’t justify it
 
So tempted to call you all sorts of names, put downs etc. Because it’s easy to do when you are confronting an extremist like yourself...

You are ignoring Ik’s Speach last week when he explained history and how his first step when coming into power was to reach out to India.

He answered questions regarding the military and dispelled the myth about being a “selected” PM.

He saw the actions taken by India with respect to trying to get it blacklisted...

Now here’s the crux.
Why would a country with all its diplomacy and intelligence do this? Why not take the offer of talks?
Why even take a route that could result in millions of people being killed on both sides of the boarder?

Is it not the job of government to try and negotiate peace? Even if it’s at lower them Ministerial level?

Pakistan finally got rid of the corrupt leaders who pandered to India and this was clearly against India’s agenda.

I know all this will go over your head and you’ll start quoting history again. Afterall you’re a brainwashed individual.

Meanwhile 8m people are in lockdown and how do you and your government justify the banning of the press in IOK let alone the banning of MP’s from India?

India is not interested in any talks. Why cant pakistan minds its own business?

Pakistan is under tremendous pressure because of the FATF grey list. The moment India lets go off its diplomatic efforts to keep pakistan in grey list and get it blacklisted, and starts the peace talks, it will be back to the old ways. Terror attacks on India. Years of efforts to get pakistan into FATF list will be wasted.

Imran Khans and his speeches are not worth risking the lives of Indians.

First time after Indira Gandhi we have a leader who will not fall into this trap of useless peace talks and gets 1000s of Indians killed.

If Imran Khan wants peace he should try and execute the UN designated terrorists and planners of 26/11. And let us be in peace.
 
Gosh you spent a lot of time typing this.
Have to admit I haven’t read it but will put it mostly down to an extremist mind spouting his opinion.

Why so?
Because India’s stance makes no sense whatsoever.
You can’t justify it

Yes its justified as it keeps Indians safe.

There have been no terror attacks in a major Indian city for years. Such attacks are now confined to J and K.
 
Declaring Jihad at India from UN platform , rambling about N War & trying to position himself rather comically as a Champion of human rights & leader of Muslims . Do you agree [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] & [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ?
 
Declaring Jihad at India from UN platform , rambling about N War & trying to position himself rather comically as a Champion of human rights & leader of Muslims . Do you agree [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] & [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ?

He said what pakistanis wanted to hear.

Rest of the world doesnot care and they know these are lies.
 
Declaring Jihad at India from UN platform , rambling about N War & trying to position himself rather comically as a Champion of human rights & leader of Muslims . Do you agree [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] & [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ?

His speech was catered to his cult-followers, and he did his job because our nation now thinks that he has clean bowled Modi and our military is ready to conquer Kashmir.
 
His speech was catered to his cult-followers, and he did his job because our nation now thinks that he has clean bowled Modi and our military is ready to conquer Kashmir.

Indian Armed forces are in a major downtrend in last 5-6 years vis-a-vis hardware acquisition but i do not see PA winning anything . Kashmir is the bread & butter of PA & even in 2019 everyone in Pakistan is at it is very disappointing .
 
The lies. lol

"900 K troops and continue curfew is the lie."

These Kahki chaddi walay believe if they keep repeating this crap on this forum then some how it will become true.

This isn't Bharat where Modi says it and it becomes the truth. lol
 
The lies. lol

"900 K troops and continue curfew is the lie."

These Kahki chaddi walay believe if they keep repeating this crap on this forum then some how it will become true.

This isn't Bharat where Modi says it and it becomes the truth. lol

relevance ? IK speech ???
 
Indian Armed forces are in a major downtrend in last 5-6 years vis-a-vis hardware acquisition but i do not see PA winning anything . Kashmir is the bread & butter of PA & even in 2019 everyone in Pakistan is at it is very disappointing .

Rather Military acquisition has picked up in last 5-6 years.
 
His speech was catered to his cult-followers, and he did his job because our nation now thinks that he has clean bowled Modi and our military is ready to conquer Kashmir.

The only cult follower is you and your worship of Modi and fascists. He has def humiliated Modi on an international forum and it doesn't matter what morons like you post.
 
The only cult follower is you and your worship of Modi and fascists. He has def humiliated Modi on an international forum and it doesn't matter what morons like you post.

World leaders are laying out the red carpet for Modi and giving him awards. The US President addressed a gathering with him. The Russian President gave him their highest award.

What Imran Khan says doesnot matter.
 
His speech was catered to his cult-followers, and he did his job because our nation now thinks that he has clean bowled Modi and our military is ready to conquer Kashmir.

No we aren't silly to think like that. This is common across the border, with chest thumping and psychotic nationalism running high and deep. Been the case over there for the past 5-10 years, not here. Kashmir can only be resolved through dialogues, we have always believed in that and will continue to push for it.

It's nice to hear a great leader to show them their true face, and it's also nice to see his haters rolling on the ground in pain after his speech, you are just one of those haters and it's pleasant to see you rolling :)
 
His speech was catered to his cult-followers, and he did his job because our nation now thinks that he has clean bowled Modi and our military is ready to conquer Kashmir.

You are spouting rubbish. You are a doctor and should know you can’t the underestimate the value of a speech and when it is based on truth and is also inspirational it lifts the moral of an entire nation. Half of the battle is the mental preparation.

I am totally neutral and if something is wrong I address it. As I have lived in West almost my entire life I know how hurting islamophobia can be when people start generalizing and put all muslims in one basket.

I know he should have addressed the situation in China as well but Pakistan are already in trouble from 3 sides of the border and just don’t have capacity to counter every trouble in the World, though it hurts me to see our muslim brothers suffering in China.
Kashmir has been part of Pakistan’s struggle for last 70+ years and for obvious reasons he spent most of the time there.

Just man up and support your leader. I know he has a poor team with him, yes it’s his fault, but we have to give him time. He is a sincere, honest leader trying his best to help out his country.
 
World leaders are laying out the red carpet for Modi and giving him awards. The US President addressed a gathering with him. The Russian President gave him their highest award.

What Imran Khan says doesnot matter.

PW Botha used to also get red carpets abroad, but what happened to the fascists in SA?
 
You are spouting rubbish. You are a doctor and should know you can’t the underestimate the value of a speech and when it is based on truth and is also inspirational it lifts the moral of an entire nation. Half of the battle is the mental preparation.

I am totally neutral and if something is wrong I address it. As I have lived in West almost my entire life I know how hurting islamophobia can be when people start generalizing and put all muslims in one basket.

I know he should have addressed the situation in China as well but Pakistan are already in trouble from 3 sides of the border and just don’t have capacity to counter every trouble in the World, though it hurts me to see our muslim brothers suffering in China.
Kashmir has been part of Pakistan’s struggle for last 70+ years and for obvious reasons he spent most of the time there.

Just man up and support your leader. I know he has a poor team with him, yes it’s his fault, but we have to give him time. He is a sincere, honest leader trying his best to help out his country.

Don't point out to Mamoo that you are living in the West. From what I have understood he hated leaving the West and coming back to Pakistan and its been that grudge he has been holding on to, so he takes it out on the people of the forum. He obviously can't do all this in person as there's enough of garbage and hateful comments one could bear about his country, that too mostly irrational ones. He calls them facts, but most are absolute trollish garbage as he directly attacks anything and everything related to Pakistan. I still remember how he wanted Madrassas with kids in Pakistan to be bombed so we can cure apparently terrorism, just so he can get a cookie for siding with his beloved India for dropping bombs. It was the most pathetic comment I ever read on this forum and it tells you the state of his mind and sad hate he's filled with. Nothing wrong with opposing government, policies and leaders, but one has to keep his sanity in check.

Makes me wonder if he really is a Doctor. I mean if he ever tells his patience to bear the time with the drugs and they will eventually show results or like how he expects from Imran to turn the looted corrupt to core country around upside down in a matter of a year or few years. Wonder if he carries the same illogical sense in his profession.
 
This was the first time I heard IK speak. To me he has a better oratory style than Modi.

On content, I doubt his speech underlined anything new. It strengthened India’s discourse on terrorism and highlighted Kashmir as a flashpoint, especially Pakistan’s sympathy to radicalised individuals who are willing to pick up cause for Muslims suffering.

Him wading into the Hijab debate, Islamaphobia, and comparing Holocaust to Blasphemy lacked nuance and a deeper understanding of the topic. He could have done well to stay well away from these topics as they achieved little for Pakistan and are frankly not their immediate concern.

In the end, UNGA address achieves little for either country. It’s more for the audience back home. The actual game was played out behind closed doors and it will be interesting to see if Modi or IK came back with anything new.
 
World leaders are laying out the red carpet for Modi and giving him awards. The US President addressed a gathering with him. The Russian President gave him their highest award.

What Imran Khan says doesnot matter.

Where was the red carpet when he was banned for 10 years from entering US? Countries look after their financial stake now a days and that's about it. For most people Indian knowledge is limited to Appu in Simpsons, tax scammers, IT service desk help, or a country filled with filth and unhygiene.

He can get all the awards but his party's obvious fascism is easily readable. Your economy and social stability is actually struggling under him (expected under an uneducated jahil), so worth of these awards are accessible.
 
You are spouting rubbish. You are a doctor and should know you can’t the underestimate the value of a speech and when it is based on truth and is also inspirational it lifts the moral of an entire nation. Half of the battle is the mental preparation.

I am totally neutral and if something is wrong I address it. As I have lived in West almost my entire life I know how hurting islamophobia can be when people start generalizing and put all muslims in one basket.

I know he should have addressed the situation in China as well but Pakistan are already in trouble from 3 sides of the border and just don’t have capacity to counter every trouble in the World, though it hurts me to see our muslim brothers suffering in China.
Kashmir has been part of Pakistan’s struggle for last 70+ years and for obvious reasons he spent most of the time there.

Just man up and support your leader. I know he has a poor team with him, yes it’s his fault, but we have to give him time. He is a sincere, honest leader trying his best to help out his country.

I will address your post in two parts:

Part 1:

Imran is neither honest nor sincere. There are cases of embezzlement and misuse of SKMH donations against him and his sisters (who are living way above their means in the U.S.) and he has been sprinting away from them for four years and has refused to come clean. He has been accused by Akbar Babar, one of the founding members of PTI.

A clean man does not allow his name to be dragged in courts when he has nothing to hide. He will come forward and clear all charges.

If I accuse you of corruption, will you let the case drag for four years or will you immediately clear your name because you are not corrupt and you don’t want to be defamed? If Imran has nothing to hide, why doesn’t he clear his name?

Furthermore, he is not sincere and honest because of the filth that he has allowed in his party. He maybe naive but he is not a kid - he knows that these tried and tested lotas cannot fulfill the Naya Pakistan dream, so why did he give them party tickets? Why he did fool the nation with the tabdeeli drama? Will Sheikh Rasheed, Firdous Awan, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Amir Liaquat and Fawad Chaudry etc. etc. bring tabdeeli? Is this a joke?

Imran was sincere and honest only with his desire and desperation to come into power. That is all he cared about and he got there by any means possible, even if that meant flushing his manifesto down the toilet and backtracking on everything he stood for.

Part 2:

A speech only has value when it has credibility, and Pakistan does not have an ounce of credibility because of the following reasons:

(a) we have broke economy and we have to go from country to country with a begging bowl.

(b) our military has not allowed democracy to flourish. Only two democratically elected governments have been able to complete their terms.

(c) we managed to lose our eastern half in just 24 years and committed a genocide to hold onto it.

(d) we sold out to US dollars in the 1980s - we helped train the taliban which not only destroyed the social fabric of Afghanistan but also put Pakistan at high security risk, since the chickens had to come home to roost one day.

(e) a long list of internationally recognized and blacklisted terrorists have been given state protection in Pakistan, and they are even allowed to contest in elections.

(f) the most wanted terrorist in the world, Osama, was found living half a mile away from a military base in Abbottabad

(g) there are two insurgencies on opposite ends of the country. We have kidnapped thousands of people in Balochistan for raising their voices against our blatant discrimination and misuse of their natural resources. In FATA, we have treated the people like dogs. It took us 71 years to get rid of the discriminatory FCR law, a law that allowed the military to abuse their powers. They could persecute any individual without a fair trial.

There is also a separatist group in “Azad” Kashmir that we have suppressed and have not allowed media coverage.

I can go on and on, but the above is the true face of Pakistan and its true image in the world. Finally, please don’t talk about lifting the morale of the nation. Yes morale has been lifted, but only of overseas Pakistanis who are not bearing the brunt of PTI’s incompetent in Pakistan and rich Insaafiyan trolls on social media who are living in their own bubble.

The common man in Pakistan does not give two hoots about his UN speech no matter how many times it is played by the news channels. They do not give two hoots because they are cussing him for being unable to make ends meet because of the high prices this government has imposed on every item in this newly established Madinah riyasat.
 
Where was the red carpet when he was banned for 10 years from entering US? Countries look after their financial stake now a days and that's about it. For most people Indian knowledge is limited to Appu in Simpsons, tax scammers, IT service desk help, or a country filled with filth and unhygiene.

He can get all the awards but his party's obvious fascism is easily readable. Your economy and social stability is actually struggling under him (expected under an uneducated jahil), so worth of these awards are accessible.

For most people pakistani knowledge is limited to OBL being found there, terrorists roaming around, security situation poor, Taliban sanctuary etc etc.

People of Indian origin are/ were senators,Congressmen,Governors, UN Rep of USA, CEOs of Microsoft Google etc.

Your economy is on bailouts. Growth is 2.9% and inflation in double digits. Far worse than Indias.

Pakistanis and Imran can rant as much as they want, their lies will hardly find takers.
 
That emotional speech was a big topi drama and scam by Khan. He is scamming the whole country by his jazbaati speeches. He has done zilch since coming into power. The amount of lotas he has gathered in his party is really shameful. You don't bring in change by hiring all available lotas.

We needed a stable, mature and sensible leadership and Khan is opposite of all those qualities. I trusted him and gave him a full year and finally realized he is on a scam mission. Shame on Khan.
 
His speech was catered to his cult-followers, and he did his job because our nation now thinks that he has clean bowled Modi and our military is ready to conquer Kashmir.

You have gone so far on the other side that when you want self analyze you will not be able to come back.
It’s your choice and maybe you just want to be devils advocate on that side.
 
Since the jazbati speech is being shown over and over again, one gets to notice the small things.

He said that he doesn’t understand why the west allows off-shore companies to operate. Well he should ask himself because he opened one much earlier than Nawaz Sharif.

Not long now till November 5th, bonfire night here in u.k, could do with a guy fawks, you fit the bill perfectly
 
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That emotional speech was a big topi drama and scam by Khan. He is scamming the whole country by his jazbaati speeches. He has done zilch since coming into power. The amount of lotas he has gathered in his party is really shameful. You don't bring in change by hiring all available lotas.

We needed a stable, mature and sensible leadership and Khan is opposite of all those qualities. I trusted him and gave him a full year and finally realized he is on a scam mission. Shame on Khan.

That’s very generous! You gave him a complete year to reverse decades of neglect and corruption!
 
Heard it all yesterday and if it’s rated as Pakistans’s best ever then we have to really raise our standards when it comes to leaders demonstrating high oratory skills.

On the other hand, for what it was it was an exceptional speech considering the current climate. I fear that it may fall on deaf ears and it won’t create the change it should. Who knows, maybe this is a tactic by Imran Khan through the Armed forces to justify any cross border attacks that may unfold.
 
Since the jazbati speech is being shown over and over again, one gets to notice the small things.

He said that he doesn’t understand why the west allows off-shore companies to operate. Well he should ask himself because he opened one much earlier than Nawaz Sharif.

Its really getting you the lauds Imran is getting from his speech right?

On your question, please do some research that this offshore company was formed to transform the money through banking channels for the apartment he purchased in London in 1983 (I think that was the year).

Since you follow politics so much you should know that Hanif Abbasi (PMLN) even had a case registered against Imran to justify the money which was used to purchase this apartment. Before I go further, let me stress that Imran at this point was not a public office holder so was not bound by public office holder rules. In any case, Imran had to dig up the Kerry Packer contracts from early 1980s together with legal transfer documents of the apartment which were approved by the courts and all charges against Imran were dropped.

Thanks for nitpicking his speech elements.
 
What’s the point of posting his statements out of context?

It's not out of context. He is legitimizing militancy in Kashmir with this kind of talk. Remember when Imran legitimized the Taliban in Pakistan saying they were fighting for Justice and were misunderstood. It only emboldened the terror outfit and caused more chaos and bomb blasts in Pakistan... for which he was called Taliban Khan.

He can be a dangerously naive person.
 
Only a individual like Imran Khan could pull off a speech like that in those circumstances. A lesson in class, poise and statesmenship
 
This speech will be remembered as one of the greatest ever delivered in human history.

The power, the impact, the precision to the point! Imran has spoken just like how it is. Even secular Indians are celebrating this historic speech. What a man! Absolute legend!
 
Can I please ask the mods to include one more option - One of the greatest ever by any leader of modern world?
 
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