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How humiliating and embarrassing has Operation 'Sindoor' been for India and PM Modi in terms of their image?

But paijaan...China onlee arms Pakistan to have the pak army fight and die at hands of Indians..they never come to your rescue when your country was cut in half in 71..in Kargil when bada Sharif ran to Clinton and now when chotta Sharif ran to US again..smart guys..get the gadha do the job...your two front dream will come only when China attacks India as you guys won't leave the chance....cos China ain't coming for you beyond giving your arms as alms..well we will have to pay for our arms to Russia and other countries...and our indigenous industry is getting better ...though not yet good enuf.

Agree they hardly ever came to assistance militarily in the past. Did they come to rescue Russia in the past when they had border disputes? Did they invest in Iran or purchased oil from them due to embargo? I can go on and on. Get one thing in mind: If you owe me huge amount of debt and I have invested heavily on you for my interest, I will do everything in my power to protect from YOUR enemies.

Dynamics have changed. Read what I typed earlier: "for their interests". They have heavily invested in Pakistan and they also don't want to get surrounded by their "worst nightmare" - you know what I am saying 😉

If I wanted to troll, I would rather not reply this long. I don't invest too much time in replying when answers are available on Google. Just use logic.
 
The cow dung Ind spread about Pakistan extremism problem for their own good has hit the fan. The global west has its own problems mainly against China. Nobody is coming for your aid Ind. Get that straight plus, YOU are isolating yourself every passing day by declaring every country is against you.
 
According to Indian media surrender Modi is planning to dispatch Shashi Tharoor and Awaisi to brief foreign governments about Pakistan's role in the recent Pahalgam terror attack.....

I mean can it get anymore hilarious than this?
This is part of India's propaganda campaign aimed at distorting the facts using social media and briefing foreign governments to push a false narrative. The high volume of Indian posts on this forum and elsewhere reflects their attempt to control the narrative and downplay the actual humiliation India had at the hands of Pakistan

Mods need to take note and delete all news from indian sources on this forum. This is actually social media war

@The Bald Eagle
 
Social media is flooded by the beauty of the hygiene behind Indian street food and also how beautiful Canada has become after flow of Indians. Cow urine and cow dung as part of the India’s prescription is already famous. Honestly I have never seen such a huge decline.
 
This is part of India's propaganda campaign aimed at distorting the facts using social media and briefing foreign governments to push a false narrative. The high volume of Indian posts on this forum and elsewhere reflects their attempt to control the narrative and downplay the actual humiliation India had at the hands of Pakistan

Mods need to take note and delete all news from indian sources on this forum. This is actually social media war

@The Bald Eagle
Correct. Indian sources must be banned.

The cult must be stopped from all angles, including social media.

Disinformation is warfare - and the cult know it.

I have already blocked all traffic from India for my key customers - ALL traffic.

The world is at war against Saffron terror!
 
I don't even buy that Vajpayee's efforts were genuine. Maybe he personally bought in, but I don't believe his party did. Indian social media warriors have long insisted they don't want peace with Pakistan...the logic being, even if they suffer slightly, Pakistan would be crippled so would be worth it.

Just look at their IPL policy, it follows that same reasoning. Everyone else can play, but not even a single Pakistani player in case they benefit financially. They downgraded Asia Cup status in an attempt to create a new Big Three power base where they could finally rub shoulders with the non-Asians. But guess where cricket's fanbase is?

They are an embarrassment to the continent.
These morons also don't realise there's only so much their minorities will take. One day an abused Muslim or Christian or even a Sikh child would have had enough and would rise up. And the resulting massive unrest would be on them. Yes, we abuse our miniorities too but they're too small in number. For India they constitute a good 35% of its population and would do serious damage in civil unrest. Which is why I am baffled at their Hindu supremacy bravado. It will at some point bite them bad. There is now no 'left' or liberal brand left in India. Like Israel. Every actor, every celebrity is expected to tow the BJP line and churn out anti Pakistan material or pro BJP nonsense. You see that on social media, any Indian disagreeing with sanghis gets 'report him sarrr @delhipolice, ban him sarrr'. You look at us, NONE of us believed our military on anything they said any claims, we only believed them when any neutral source would report it as have learnt from the past. There is no such self reflection in reverse.

Interesting you bring up the point about the non-Asian thing. I have never seen a country with such little self-esteem than India. Mass accounts on social media pretending to be white, this is so widespread even the Westeners and the global south laugh at it 'save Europe' 'save the west'.....all handles turn out to be Indians. Then you have Modi, who's recent videos are all whitened. You look at at ani anti-Pakistan racist cartoons, Indians will be displayed white and we will be brown.

While every rising Asian power from China to Saudis are promoting their culture and are doubling down on their cultural values, we have these yes sarrr bleaching their skin to act white.

An absolute parody if there was any. And they have done incredible damage to their reputation. Even as little as 6 years ago Arabs, Europeans and the Africans had a top notch impression of them and the word India meant economy, IT and brains. The word 'India' on social media especially the mass-used TikTok is now associated with uncleaniness and poor hygeine and no soap. Every single person who is on social media can corrobate this. Their unhygenic food videos are a massive social media joke. And this is their own doing too as they banned TikTok too. And now their TV channels have made them even more of a laughing stock. I have watched so many Arab YouTube handles laughing at how badly they performed. I logged on TikTok the other day and the first video was of a Zambian laughing at India and saying we should lob soap. The sanghis sitting here don't realise it. They don't realise how much of a laughing stock they are and how their reputation is down the drain.

In history every single power when it becomes richer or more economically dominant it influences its poorer neighbors and ensures peace. You can see it eg how the US dominated Mexico or Latin America. Or how China has used its economy to drive good relations. I remember you saying how India could have done the same. And for them its surprising they did not. Under IK we would not have sold out, the current lot however who can't even utter Modi's name (duffer nani and SS) these RSS nutters don't realise they had a spelndid chance with the current dictators (who'd sell out their own for cash) in charge to hash out not only a peace treaty but something far more favoring India and all it would have cost India is some £££££. And problem solved. Then the next century India could built itself as the third power and affect global affairs. Instead these sanghis could never do that as they're not interested in peace due to hate. They do not want Pakistan to exist. You'll hear the oh we did want it but Mumbai yadadada, someone remind me who blew up the Samjhota Express?

For the past 4 decades of my life growing up I argued peace with India. I even believed it should be the overriding objective of the Pakistani state. I have no longer those beliefs. After sorting ourselves out our entire aim should be neutralising the RSS's states military, economic and sof power so that it never threatens another Pakistani's life.
 
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According to Indian media surrender Modi is planning to dispatch Shashi Tharoor and Awaisi to brief foreign governments about Pakistan's role in the recent Pahalgam terror attack.....

I mean can it get anymore hilarious than this?
BJP has faced a crazy backlash because their Media sold the public a lie. Now they are going to try and spread the damage across the parties.

It will be interesting to see how foreign governments react to the Owaisi's.

Foreign Diplomat - "Didn't you and your brother claim that Muslims were oppressed in India, and you dared to challenge the policeforce and army to stand down for 15 minutes to see what becomes of Hindus"

Owaisi - Yes :sachin

Foreign Diplomat - " You are against the current Hindutva Indian government and there actions across India......but not their actions in Kashmir?"

Owaisi :kp
 
These morons also don't realise there's only so much their minorities will take. One day an abused Muslim or Christian or even a Sikh child would have had enough and would rise up. And the resulting massive unrest would be on them. Yes, we abuse our miniorities too but they're too small in number. For India they constitute a good 35% of its population and would do serious damage in civil unrest. Which is why I am baffled at their Hindu supremacy bravado. It will at some point bite them bad. There is now no 'left' or liberal brand left in India. Like Israel. Every actor, every celebrity is expected to tow the BJP line and churn out anti Pakistan material or pro BJP nonsense. You see that on social media, any Indian disagreeing with sanghis gets 'report him sarrr @delhipolice, ban him sarrr'. You look at us, NONE of us believed our military on anything they said any claims, we only believed them when any neutral source would report it as have learnt from the past. There is no such self reflection in reverse.

Interesting you bring up the point about the non-Asian thing. I have never seen a country with such little self-esteem than India. Mass accounts on social media pretending to be white, this is so widespread even the Westeners and the global south laugh at it 'save Europe' 'save the west'.....all handles turn out to be Indians. Then you have Modi, who's recent videos are all whitened. You look at at ani anti-Pakistan racist cartoons, Indians will be displayed white and we will be brown.

While every rising Asian power from China to Saudis are promoting their culture and are doubling down on their cultural values, we have these yes sarrr bleaching their skin to act white.

An absolute parody if there was any. And they have done incredible damage to their reputation. Even as little as 6 years ago Arabs, Europeans and the Africans had a top notch impression of them and the word India meant economy, IT and brains. The word 'India' on social media especially the mass-used TikTok is now associated with uncleaniness and poor hygeine and no soap. Every single person who is on social media can corrobate this. Their unhygenic food videos are a massive social media joke. And this is their own doing too as they banned TikTok too. And now their TV channels have made them even more of a laughing stock. I have watched so many Arab YouTube handles laughing at how badly they performed. I logged on TikTok the other day and the first video was of a Zambian laughing at India and saying we should lob soap. The sanghis sitting here don't realise it. They don't realise how much of a laughing stock they are and how their reputation is down the drain.

In history every single power when it becomes richer or more economically dominant it influences its poorer neighbors and ensures peace. You can see it eg how the US dominated Mexico or Latin America. Or how China has used its economy to drive good relations. I remember you saying how India could have done the same. And for them its surprising they did not. Under IK we would not have sold out, the current lot however who can't even utter Modi's name (duffer nani and SS) these RSS nutters don't realise they had a spelndid chance with the current dictators (who'd sell out their own for cash) in charge to hash out not only a peace treaty but something far more favoring India and all it would have cost India is some £££££. And problem solved. Then the next century India could built itself as the third power and affect global affairs. Instead these sanghis could never do that as they're not interested in peace due to hate. They do not want Pakistan to exist. You'll hear the oh we did want it but Mumbai yadadada, someone remind me who blew up the Samjhota Express?

For the past 4 decades of my life growing up I argued peace with India. I even believed it should be the overriding objective of the Pakistani state. I have no longer those beliefs. After sorting ourselves out our entire aim should be neutralising the RSS's states military, economic and sof power so that it never threatens another Pakistani's life.


Honestly made me feel sad reading that. Like I said in another thread, when I joined up here I was very positive towards India and was hypercritical of the maulvis...which I still am to be honest. I mostly stay away from social media but reddit stuff keeps popping up on my feed and the Indian based ones are embarrassing. So many of them trying to convince bemused Americans or Europeans that they are fighting against Islam. Most of the time they get pulled up and then end up backtracking. Get a life guys.
 
Correct. Indian sources must be banned.

The cult must be stopped from all angles, including social media.

Disinformation is warfare - and the cult know it.

I have already blocked all traffic from India for my key customers - ALL traffic.

The world is at war against Saffron terror!

We're in a social media war, and most people don’t even realise it. India has already blocked all Pakistani sources so their public only sees their version of the story. Meanwhile, they’re all over our platforms, posting non-stop and spreading their version of events. We should be doing the same blocking their misinformation and making sure only factual information is reaching the public.
 
This is Just not humiliation of Pakistan, this is humiliation of so called Chinese AD systems. The so called hyped systems couldn't intercept even a single Indian missile or drone which led to complete annihilation of PAF Saab, C130s & many other Radars among other assets at 11 PAF bases.
:kp
 
We're in a social media war, and most people don’t even realise it. India has already blocked all Pakistani sources so their public only sees their version of the story. Meanwhile, they’re all over our platforms, posting non-stop and spreading their version of events. We should be doing the same blocking their misinformation and making sure only factual information is reaching the public.
Come on bro there news gives me a good laugh and gets me through the day. What will I do without it?
 
As a moderator you must not be posting fake news brother @The Bald Eagle

You even created a thread with a fake story about some farmer saying something about Pahalgam being an inside job etc. The position you, you should be more responsible, fact check them and then post. I thought you were the one asked to not include any random tweets/posts except from reputed international media.

Thanks to brother @Devadwal for exposing all the lies.

:kp
 
As a moderator you must not be posting fake news brother @The Bald Eagle

You even created a thread with a fake story about some farmer saying something about Pahalgam being an inside job etc. The position you, you should be more responsible, fact check them and then post. I thought you were the one asked to not include any random tweets/posts except from reputed international media.

I know Pakistan recently faced a heavy thrashing from India but that doesnt mean you peddle fake news. Thanks to brother @Devadwal for exposing all the lies.

:kp
I just shared what Indians are sharing...if any proof then you are more then welcome to debunk them from official or credible sources.
 
The worst thing is that a lot of these right wing Indians still believe in their own hype blissfully unaware all their neighbours hate them and much of the western world has a negative perception (hygiene) of them. Literally swimming in their own crap. Banning TikTok hasn’t helped them.

Recent events have only reinforced Pakistani views about them. We should always be ready for escalation with these people. Full of hatred, inferiority complex, rape, bad language, emotion.
 
Can’t believe an actual farmer shot down one of the Indian jets and held their pilot captive. Most incompetent superpower military in the world? :kp
 
Next time we will send some Pathan wielding AKs in a pick up truck to the border and that will keep Nirender Surender quiet for another few years till he retires and is burnt up for rites in this life before burning in jahannam

Good to see they let him out of the bathroom after holding him in there for his safety since last week. Now it’s statement after statement and showing S400 from certain photogenic angles only huh :ik2
 
Another masterpiece by IAF 🇮🇳

Indian Air Force used Camouflaged UAV (dummys) to fool Pakistani Air Defence

Now i understand why pakistan thinks they shot down 5 fighter jets 😂

Pakistan got fooled .

:kp
 
He is talking about fake propaganda. We don't give a damn about it. :kp

Ofcourse another humiliation of India is just a fake propaganda for bhakts. So much Indian cries and fuss on social media over destruction of their jets and bases is awesome to read :)

No matter what you fly, be it Magic carpet or Bob Cat or Mig of Rafael or whatever.... Pakistan will find a way to destroy them and to humiliate Indian war mongerers. You couldn't cope with 2019 and now you got many more jets to patch over for many more years, this one will be for decades actually lol. It's absolutely beautiful the way Pakistan has destroyed your ghammad and terrorism.

Entire country of Bharat got a software update at once :afridi
 
There is no way on earth Modi’s India could fight Pakistan and China on 2 fronts. Amreeka would never join. Neither Russia, and forget Isreal - Indian would be history - maybe this is why Modi is talking Bhuddism of late? Modi perhaps realises Hindutva is done for.

India literally in the corner by the crown jewels.
 
Ofcourse another humiliation of India is just a fake propaganda for bhakts. So much Indian cries and fuss on social media over destruction of their jets and bases is awesome to read :)

No matter what you fly, be it Magic carpet or Bob Cat or Mig of Rafael or whatever.... Pakistan will find a way to destroy them and to humiliate Indian war mongerers. You couldn't cope with 2019 and now you got many more jets to patch over for many more years, this one will be for decades actually lol. It's absolutely beautiful the way Pakistan has destroyed your ghammad and terrorism.

Entire country of Bharat got a software update at once :afridi
This was not a software upgrade but a factory reset.

😎
 
Ofcourse another humiliation of India is just a fake propaganda for bhakts. So much Indian cries and fuss on social media over destruction of their jets and bases is awesome to read :)

No matter what you fly, be it Magic carpet or Bob Cat or Mig of Rafael or whatever.... Pakistan will find a way to destroy them and to humiliate Indian war mongerers. You couldn't cope with 2019 and now you got many more jets to patch over for many more years, this one will be for decades actually lol. It's absolutely beautiful the way Pakistan has destroyed your ghammad and terrorism.

Entire country of Bharat got a software update at once :afridi
Keep living in the delusional world. You deserve it sarrr :kp
 
Another masterpiece by IAF 🇮🇳

Indian Air Force used Camouflaged UAV (dummys) to fool Pakistani Air Defence

Now i understand why pakistan thinks they shot down 5 fighter jets 😂

Pakistan got fooled .

:kp
You are certainly right about the fact that IAF is full of dummies. Pakistan certainly got fooled into thinking that IAF would put up a fight with PAF.

Trust me, every person in Pakistan rightfully consider IAF the most incompetent AF in the world given the resources it has.
 
This is Just not humiliation of Pakistan, this is humiliation of so called Chinese AD systems. The so called hyped systems couldn't intercept even a single Indian missile or drone which led to complete annihilation of PAF Saab, C130s & many other Radars among other assets at 11 PAF bases.
:kp
You are very generous not to highlight how Indian destroyed all the major cities in Pakistan and reduced them to rubble. I’m still hiding underground as we speak.
 
You are very generous not to highlight how Indian destroyed all the major cities in Pakistan and reduced them to rubble. I’m still hiding underground as we speak.
Indians and their wonderland fantasies.
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I mean, they should seriously consider having a green wet dream diaper. Would certainly rack some volume of sales.
 
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India has provided no pictures.

It has provided pictures with time stamps. I can time stamp my picture from 1945 and claim I am a time traveller. India also does not allow full coverage of its bases via satellites and restricts them from private sat images. Pakistan does no such thing.

Have some shame and self reflection. You lost almost $ 1billion worth of assets. You log onto social media the entire globe is laughing at you.
I guess your globe is restricted to your country. Look at The Washington Post which is left leaning and usually take anti-india stand. They themselves confirmed the huge damage Pakistan had to incurr. But you are free to live in your cocoon.
 
When the aggressor is confident of inflicting a defeat, they never agree to a ceasefire. Israel keeps bombing Gaza despite so many agreements. Azerbaijan didnt agree to a ceasefire till the other side basically agreed to give up territory. Russia is confident on the situation on the ground so they are trying to drag it longer to get more concessions.

Pakistan didnt defeat india but it showed the conflict will have losses on both sides and disruption to a lot of people living near the border. India didnt want to get into a long drawn out conflict with a lot of displacement of people with the nuclear sword hanging over the entire thing so agreed to a ceasefire. Pakistan was happy to agree because they also know they cant afford a long running war with an already fragile economy and they get an added PR boost of downing a Rafale jet
 
When the aggressor is confident of inflicting a defeat, they never agree to a ceasefire. Israel keeps bombing Gaza despite so many agreements. Azerbaijan didnt agree to a ceasefire till the other side basically agreed to give up territory. Russia is confident on the situation on the ground so they are trying to drag it longer to get more concessions.

Pakistan didnt defeat india but it showed the conflict will have losses on both sides and disruption to a lot of people living near the border. India didnt want to get into a long drawn out conflict with a lot of displacement of people with the nuclear sword hanging over the entire thing so agreed to a ceasefire. Pakistan was happy to agree because they also know they cant afford a long running war with an already fragile economy and they get an added PR boost of downing a Rafale jet

Yeah, it was the "cost of adventure" war. India tried to show that there is a high cost of any "alleged" Pakistani involvement in any activity inside India, Pakistan tried to show that it will not get bullied by Indian conventional superiority, and any incursion into its sovereignty has a high cost on India.
 
Yet despite having a large proportion of minorities, the BJP still got in power. That suggests that the Hindu element almost exclusively voted for a hindutva govt.
There are other reasons ..rahul Gandhi is a nepo joke...BJP is more focused on development and less corruption..no one is perfect but right now there is no alternative to modi
 
When the aggressor is confident of inflicting a defeat, they never agree to a ceasefire. Israel keeps bombing Gaza despite so many agreements. Azerbaijan didnt agree to a ceasefire till the other side basically agreed to give up territory. Russia is confident on the situation on the ground so they are trying to drag it longer to get more concessions.

Pakistan didnt defeat india but it showed the conflict will have losses on both sides and disruption to a lot of people living near the border. India didnt want to get into a long drawn out conflict with a lot of displacement of people with the nuclear sword hanging over the entire thing so agreed to a ceasefire. Pakistan was happy to agree because they also know they cant afford a long running war with an already fragile economy and they get an added PR boost of downing a Rafale jet
Finally someone is talking sense. So what are the objectives of India..to impose a cost on Pakistan so that they reduce terrorist attack on India. I think India did impose a public loud cost. But we have to see if it deters Pakistan from launching a terrorist attack .the baseline is 6 years of peace between Pahalgam and Pulwama. Anything else India would have to impose higher cost at a higher loss to themselves next time around.

If Pak claims are to be believed..then they downed two jets...even if it's true..it will not deter India beyond some social media gloating. IAF probably will need to invest in AWACS, squadron shortage, and the threat of j35.

So what does Pak gain. Kashmir issue is not going to be negotiated. IWT is suspended and treade is suspended. They did seem to win the narrative war and that is a big win.

So at the end..India inflicted public and loud military cost..the impact of which is unknown. Pakistan won the narrative war initially but the sheen is falling off and it's dubious claims have been accepted by the broader international media without any strong evidence... but it's actual position has been eroded...Kashmir status quo is maintained but now have a real risk on water and economy.
 
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So what does Pak gain. Kashmir issue is not going to be negotiated. IWT is suspended and treade is suspended. They did seem to win the narrative war and that is a big win.
Pakistan gain was that they gave a firm response to a cross border strike. They climbed the escalation ladder against a more powerful army and got some blows of their own in too.

I posted this before India wanted to make cross border strikes the new norm with no meaningful retaliation . That did not happen. India knows that any cross border strike will escalate further and can lead to a full blown conflict.

Pakistan won the narrative war because they ended the conflict on a timeline they agreed to, not one that they had to accept out of necessity.
 
Modi should ban French fries, French toast, and French kisses immediately. After those Rafales flopped, it’s clear, everything French is just as overhyped as his 56 inch chest.
They failed Russian S400 and Israeli drones as well.

Nalaik Aulaad.
 
Pakistan gain was that they gave a firm response to a cross border strike. They climbed the escalation ladder against a more powerful army and got some blows of their own in too.

I posted this before India wanted to make cross border strikes the new norm with no meaningful retaliation . That did not happen. India knows that any cross border strike will escalate further and can lead to a full blown conflict.

Pakistan won the narrative war because they ended the conflict on a timeline they agreed to, not one that they had tto accept out of necessity.
I would disagree with few things and I understand you will not believe it. That's ok. But if I can be neutral .the narrative war was won by Pakistan. I will wait for evidence regarding planes lost by both parties but suffice to say international media has brt the two planes down story. Beyond that our air defense has stood the test of massive drone and fatah strikes pretty unscathed..there was damage mainly from falling debris and cross border shelling.

We think our air defense can protect against paf air strikes given lack of standoff capability and s400 and India has demonstrated that they can easily hit any site in Pakistan...maybe they were surprised the first time with ew and no PAF engagement rules but next time around there was no damage. Given Indias size and economy..any escalation and long term war is something that will benefit India. It is similar to how overall strength plays a role in test cricket and get easier for weaker teams to win in t20 and odis. So escalation was not an issue ...loss of life and investment impact is a factor.

To me it seems India wanted to send a message and hit harder every time Pak escalated and it was up to pak to seek a full scale war. The assumption is Pak will not want a full scale war and India wouldn't threaten Pak territorial integrity to provoke a nuclear exchange but just hit strategic sites.
 
Someone made a good point online, India's position on us is totally exgerratted. ALl this terrorn nonsense.

In reality its a proxy war. India pulled the same nonsense in Bangladesh. As for Balochistan, these are words of India's own ministers:

Modi in an all party meet in 2016:
The time has come when Pakistan shall have to answer to the world for the atrocities committed by it against people in Baluchistan and PoK.

Assam chief minister: asserted wishes for an indepedent Balochistan

Avinash Pallawal, a top international PhD itnernatinoal relations expert had a book, where he quoted Indian intelligence officials proudly say they provide the Baloch with weapons

Yadav, sitting in a Pakistani jail

There was that Indian spy, ?black tiger, spent decades in prison. Came to Pak as a young man from India, even married a local as part of his ruse, and rose through our military ranks. Managing terror attacks in Karachi and killing innocents.

Then there are plenty of Baloch separists sitting in India.

So quit your yapping. Both nations are knee deep in proxy wars against each other. Your cheap labour makes your voice heard more but that's about it.
 
I am reading NYT is now banned in India. Hilarious. Keeping their nation in an echo chamber as much as they can. Our duffers doing it, they're a military dictatorship so it isn't surprising, but this is a supposed 'democracy'.
 
Someone made a good point online, India's position on us is totally exgerratted. ALl this terrorn nonsense.

In reality its a proxy war. India pulled the same nonsense in Bangladesh. As for Balochistan, these are words of India's own ministers:

Modi in an all party meet in 2016:
The time has come when Pakistan shall have to answer to the world for the atrocities committed by it against people in Baluchistan and PoK.

Assam chief minister: asserted wishes for an indepedent Balochistan

Avinash Pallawal, a top international PhD itnernatinoal relations expert had a book, where he quoted Indian intelligence officials proudly say they provide the Baloch with weapons

Yadav, sitting in a Pakistani jail

There was that Indian spy, ?black tiger, spent decades in prison. Came to Pak as a young man from India, even married a local as part of his ruse, and rose through our military ranks. Managing terror attacks in Karachi and killing innocents.

Then there are plenty of Baloch separists sitting in India.

So quit your yapping. Both nations are knee deep in proxy wars against each other. Your cheap labour makes your voice heard more but that's about it.

Pakistan has been doing terrorism in India for last 30 years. This has nothing to do with Modi and playing Baluchistan card will also not help.

If you think hijacking an Indian plane and demaning release of a terrorist, attacking Indian parliament, killing 170 people in Mumbai are exxaggerations, then I have nothing to say. None of these events are under Modi fyi.

Pakistan is known worldwide as supporter and propagator of terrorism. Heck it is the country where Bin Laden was hiding and being shelteted by Pak army. Considering India is their next door neighbour and bear the most brunt from the atrocities of such terrorist state, they have all the right to be a angry.
 
Lol this guy in the video saying Laden atankwaadi nehi tha and you are saying he is sensible guy?

What is wrong with people here man?

:facepalm:

You missed the whole context and cherry-picked that single word.... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU MAAAN???
 
You missed the whole context and cherry-picked that single word.... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU MAAAN???

Anyone that says Osama Bin Laden was not a terrorist must not be taken seriously. The fact that you are quoting him and selling to us as sensible voice across the border shows where your priority lies. Nothing wrong with me bro...I am talking sense (as always).
 
Anyone that says Osama Bin Laden was not a terrorist must not be taken seriously. The fact that you are quoting him and selling to us as sensible voice across the border shows where your priority lies. Nothing wrong with me bro...I am talking sense (as always).
Yeah I saw your posts AS ALWAYS ones...

He is an indian... Problem is he looks like a Muslim so his statements is gonna be a hard pill for indians to swallow..
 
The world is laughing at our neighbours

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan airforce, raising stocks of Chinese manufacturers and eliminating tariffs on the United states, all in one hour of good work. <br><br>Best trade negotiater in town. 🤣<a href="https://t.co/uR37mvtccW">pic.twitter.com/uR37mvtccW</a></p>&mdash; Asfandyar Bhittani🇵🇰 (@AsfandBhittani) <a href=" ">May 18, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
LOL BIN LADEN.
Biggest scam uncle Sam pulled.
Anyone that says Osama Bin Laden was not a terrorist must not be taken seriously. The fact that you are quoting him and selling to us as sensible voice across the border shows where your priority lies. Nothing wrong with me bro...I am talking sense (as always).
No wonder Pakistan is harbouring Terrorist when they like the Osama bin Laden - The most wanted terrorist in the world. :kp
 
Yeah I saw your posts AS ALWAYS ones...

He is an indian... Problem is he looks like a Muslim so his statements is gonna be a hard pill for indians to swallow..

Osama Bin Laden was not an aatankwadi is a hard pill to swallow for everyone that is a not a crazy Islamist. Singling out Indians is unfair.
 
No wonder Pakistan is harbouring Terrorist when they like the Osama bin Laden - The most wanted terrorist in the world. :kp
Osama Bin Laden was not an aatankwadi is a hard pill to swallow for everyone that is a not a crazy Islamist. Singling out Indians is unfair.
No human being can like a terrorist.. I don't like such terrorists who killed people in name of religion. They have nothing to do with religion... Fraud guys they are
 
No human being can like a terrorist.. I don't like such terrorists who killed people in name of religion. They have nothing to do with religion... Fraud guys they are
Didn't Pakistan ex President/ Army chief late musharaf said Osama and all the Jihadi terrorist were Hero of Pakistan people's ? :kp
 
No human being can like a terrorist.. I don't like such terrorists who killed people in name of religion. They have nothing to do with religion... Fraud guys they are

You clearly like them bro...just like the guy you quoted saying as sensible person across the border. You dont want to openly admit it fearing the reaction from the world.

:kp
 
You clearly like them bro...just like the guy you quoted saying as sensible person across the border. You dont want to openly admit it fearing the reaction from the world.

:kp
No I dont like any terrorist.. usama or masood or whatever guy you can bring. Watch the whole video and If you don't like usama, just skip that line for a sec and watch the video then. You will know what I am talking about
 
Keep logic same for both sides... Musharaf is not my spokesperson.. He has his own views.. I have my own just like you guys.
But your and my opinion doesn't matter much but opinion of head of State matter the most which reflects the opinion of Pakistan government . :kp
 
No I dont like any terrorist.. usama or masood or whatever guy you can bring. Watch the whole video and If you don't like usama, just skip that line for a sec and watch the video then. You will know what I am talking about
Okay even if we remove the Osama part, we clearly dont agree with what this guy is saying. Pakistan is doing terrorism in India for last 3 decades including the most infamous Mumbai attacks. Having lived in India, there are many such Pak loving Jaychands lives in our country jo khaate iss desh ke hai but supports Pakistan because its an Islamic country. You will find some of them in this forum too :inti

I am surprised you are asking such question
 
To answer the question. I would say it has been deeply humiliating especially for the beleaguered IAF. Probably one of the worst air forces a large economic power fields. To lose nearly every class of aircraft they deploy is beyond a disgrace. Yes they will say we launched our missiles and hit targets. Sure. And our air defence is still in the process of being beefed up. ( an area our boomer generals didn't really think about much) however our Rules of engagement meant we were not going to fire until they fired first. Thus giving us the ability to go all out as required. Secondly the Indians launched about 70 odd aircraft and were scrambling more. They wanted at least 180 odd engaged in the sky vs our 42 odd. That way they would overwhelm us..however this scheme is thwarted when it became obvious that they couldn't shoot down any PAF planes and were suddenly sitting duck themselves.

I find it astounding that after all these years the IAF has not understood the value of standardisation and network centric warfare. Their attempts have been clumsy and down right incompetent.

In conclusion I think many more indians will avoid joining the IAF and will.prefer Commercial careers, thus we will see the army taking a more robust role with drone warfare and the IAF will more than likely look to become a drone force in the future with little bakhts sitting in front of tv screens instead of cockpits.
 
Pakistan is known worldwide as supporter and propagator of terrorism. Heck it is the country where Bin Laden was hiding and being shelteted by Pak army. Considering India is their next door neighbour and bear the most brunt from the atrocities of such terrorist state, they have all the right to be a angry.
Anyone that says Osama Bin Laden was not a terrorist must not be taken seriously. The fact that you are quoting him and selling to us as sensible voice across the border shows where your priority lies. Nothing wrong with me bro...I am talking sense (as always).
Maybe Imran Khan is your spokesperson who called Osama a shaheed

:kp
Didn't Pakistan ex President/ Army chief late musharaf said Osama and all the Jihadi terrorist were Hero of Pakistan people's ? :kp


It's weird how Indian posters seem to have Bin Laden fixation when Americans have moved on, and are reining India in while Trump praises Pakistan. In true Indian style, they are more fixated on white mans woes than the white man is themselves.
 
It's weird how Indian posters seem to have Bin Laden fixation when Americans have moved on, and are reining India in while Trump praises Pakistan. In true Indian style, they are more fixated on white mans woes than the white man is themselves.
Why are you surprised, if there is one unmissable trait of the cult then it is their inability to let go of the past to seek an identity.

I just feel Green is the new Saffron in India.
 
To answer the question. I would say it has been deeply humiliating especially for the beleaguered IAF. Probably one of the worst air forces a large economic power fields. To lose nearly every class of aircraft they deploy is beyond a disgrace. Yes they will say we launched our missiles and hit targets. Sure. And our air defence is still in the process of being beefed up. ( an area our boomer generals didn't really think about much) however our Rules of engagement meant we were not going to fire until they fired first. Thus giving us the ability to go all out as required. Secondly the Indians launched about 70 odd aircraft and were scrambling more. They wanted at least 180 odd engaged in the sky vs our 42 odd. That way they would overwhelm us..however this scheme is thwarted when it became obvious that they couldn't shoot down any PAF planes and were suddenly sitting duck themselves.

I find it astounding that after all these years the IAF has not understood the value of standardisation and network centric warfare. Their attempts have been clumsy and down right incompetent.

In conclusion I think many more indians will avoid joining the IAF and will.prefer Commercial careers, thus we will see the army taking a more robust role with drone warfare and the IAF will more than likely look to become a drone force in the future with little bakhts sitting in front of tv screens instead of cockpits.

Its not just the aircraft or opposition. Ultimately it's a fight between two human groups, tech, size , wealth are all huge factors but some groups in human history are not combat capable as others. If Pak and India were both the same size now or at anytime in history with any weaponry Pakistan would be ruling over them. Indians mainly the vegetation majority are not historically fighting , warrior, combat community. No global empire , being conquered more than once by a tiny amount of forces , losing territory due to partition, the list goes on . The humiliation is not new and will continue until they understand peace is the only way for their prosperity and helping millions get out of poverty
 
It's weird how Indian posters seem to have Bin Laden fixation when Americans have moved on, and are reining India in while Trump praises Pakistan. In true Indian style, they are more fixated on white mans woes than the white man is themselves.
Yes you have done a survey among Americans to gather this crucial information :rp

You dont want anyone to talk about Bin Laden because he was caught naked in your country under the nose of your govt. Chori pakdi gayi and if someone wants to talk about that shamed past, you have a problem? LOL
 
Why are you surprised, if there is one unmissable trait of the cult then it is their inability to let go of the past to seek an identity.

I just feel Green is the new Saffron in India.


The unmissable trait for me seems to be the desperate need for white man validation. Their proud days of creating a Big Three of cricket with Australia and England were short lived, so now they have moved on to reciting Bin Laden every second post like Indians are USA guardians of the galaxy.
 
Yes you have done a survey among Americans to gather this crucial information :rp

You dont want anyone to talk about Bin Laden because he was caught naked in your country under the nose of your govt. Chori pakdi gayi and if someone wants to talk about that shamed past, you have a problem? LOL

If I didn't want to talk about him I wouldn't have quoted your every post obsessing on it numbskull. :ROFLMAO:
 
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