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How humiliating and embarrassing has Operation 'Sindoor' been for India and PM Modi in terms of their image?

Cpt. Rishwat said:
The unmissable trait for me seems to be the desperate need for white man validation. Their proud days of creating a Big Three of cricket with Australia and England were short lived, so now they have moved on to reciting Bin Laden every second post like Indians are USA guardians of the galaxy.
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Yes, Stockholm syndrome is the 2nd unmissable trait. 💥👊

Indian has already been shown its place by the 5eyes. Little does India know that after this worldwide humiliation, the West will no doubt realign its relationship with Pakistan.

Give it a few months and the cult will find refuge in Pakistan, as they do in Islamic countries as it is.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Yes, Stockholm syndrome is the 2nd unmissable trait. 💥👊

Indian has already been shown its place by the 5eyes. Little does India know that after this worldwide humiliation, the West will no doubt realign its relationship with Pakistan.

Give it a few months and the cult will find refuge in Pakistan, as they do in Islamic countries as it is.
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If you follow social media you will see comments by Indians horrified that western countries - particularly USA - haven't fallen in with their premature war declared on Pakistan.

"But..but...terrorism!!" :eek:

"But...but Osama bin Laden!" :eek:

Americans: "Dudes, that's fine 'n all but taking dumps on the beaches is kinda gross."
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If you follow social media you will see comments by Indians horrified that western countries - particularly USA - haven't fallen in with their premature war declared on Pakistan.

"But..but...terrorism!!" :eek:

"But...but Osama bin Laden!" :eek:

Americans: "Dudes, that's fine 'n all but taking dumps on the beaches is kinda gross."
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Indians have had experience with British duplicity, India has yet to taste Amreekan duplicity.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
It's weird how Indian posters seem to have Bin Laden fixation when Americans have moved on, and are reining India in while Trump praises Pakistan. In true Indian style, they are more fixated on white mans woes than the white man is themselves.
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This would make for a good meme. How many times Americans bring up OBL and how many times Indians bring it up.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
It's weird how Indian posters seem to have Bin Laden fixation when Americans have moved on, and are reining India in while Trump praises Pakistan. In true Indian style, they are more fixated on white mans woes than the white man is themselves.
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ahsan17 said:
This would make for a good meme. How many times Americans bring up OBL and how many times Indians bring it up.
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So how do the reasonable Indian posters feel now about the whole deal? You guys consider it a “success”, “failure”, “gimmick”, “unnecessary” or what?
 
Stewie said:
So how do the reasonable Indian posters feel now about the whole deal? You guys consider it a “success”, “failure”, “gimmick”, “unnecessary” or what?
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Even if they feel it is a failure, do you really think they will admit it on here? You get a far better idea on other platforms where I'm seeing a lot of questions now being asked of BJP and what is described as their WhatsApp policy strategy.
 
Rajdeep said:
Cheap imitation by Pakistan as always.
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No cheaper than the original people being imitated who were trying to fool many of civilised and sane puplic creating war frenzy and making the skirmishes into bollywood style machoism adventures.
 
PakPremi said:
No cheaper than the original people being imitated who were trying to fool many of civilised and sane puplic creating war frenzy and making the skirmishes into bollywood style machoism adventures.
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If that is the case, why are there Pak guests always in his show?

 
Sindoor ka saudagar: Congress steps up attack on S Jaishankar despite fact-check

Leader of Opposition of Lok Sabha, Rahul Gandhi, on Monday once again reiterated his claims that India maintained silence over the loss of assets during Operation Sindoor, calling it a "crime" to have informed Pakistan beforehand, while citing remarks made by Minister of External Affairs S Jaishankar.

"EAM Jaishankar’s silence isn’t just telling — it’s damning. So I’ll ask again: How many Indian aircraft did we lose because Pakistan knew? This wasn’t a lapse. It was a crime. And the nation deserves the truth," the senior Congress leader tweeted today, referring to Jaishankar's earlier comment that India had informed the Pakistani military to stay out of New Delhi’s attack on terror launchpads.

Following Rahul Gandhi's tweet, Congress leader Pawan Khera, addressing a press conference, on Monday called the BJP "Sindoor ka saudagar" while playing the video byte of Jaishankar.

On May 17, Rahul Gandhi tweeted a video of Jaishankar's remarks and wrote: "Informing Pakistan at the start of our attack was a crime. EAM has publicly admitted that GOI did it."

However, soon after Rahul Gandhi's tweet on May 17, the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) issued a clarification, calling the Congress leader's remarks an "utter misrepresentation of facts."

Fact-checking Rahul Gandhi's claims, the MEA said that the Foreign Minister had clearly stated that Pakistan was warned during the initial phase of Operation Sindoor, not after it was launched.

Responding to Rahul Gandhi's claims, MEA said: "EAM Jaishankar had stated that we had warned Pakistan at the start, which is clearly the early phase after Op Sindoor’s commencement. This is being falsely represented as being before the commencement. This utter misrepresentation of facts is being called out."

Before Gandhi made the remarks, the Press Information Bureau's Fact-Check Unit had flagged a social media post claiming that Jaishankar said India had informed Pakistan about planned strikes on terrorist infrastructure before the start of "Operation Sindoor. PIB dismissed this claim, marking the post as "misleading".

'SINDOOR KA SAUDAGAR'

Moments after Rahul Gandhi's tweet today, senior Congress leader, Pawan Khera upped the ante, calling the Narendra Modi government "sindoor ka saudagar."

"Sorry, but this is not called diplomacy, this is called spying," said Khera, referring to Jaishankar's alleged "admission."

He further went on to claim that India could not eliminate the likes of Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar because New Delhi had already informed the Pakistani military establishment. "We are worried about the safety of our armed forces," he said.

BJP HITS BACK

Union minister Pralhad Joshi attacked Gandhi saying he misquoted the MEA.

“Rahul Gandhi seems to have learned nothing from his past mistakes. He continues to disrespect the Nation’s Armed Forces by questioning how many jets were lost — despite clear statements from the IAF and MEA confirming there were no asset losses."

“He misquotes the MEA, even though the DGMO clarified in his May 11 briefing that India had made efforts to communicate with its counterparts. Is the Congress party truly serious about supporting the nation? Their actions suggest otherwise," Joshi said in a post on X.

BJP IT Department head Amit Malviya wrote on X, “Rahul Gandhi’s daftness is not merely incidental. It is sinister. Rahul Gandhi must desist from distorting facts. India knows who he truly speaks for."

BJP leader Aparna Bisht Yadav traded barbs at the senior Congress leader and questioned whether the grand-old party favours New Delhi or Islamabad.

“I am doubting if Congress is even a party of this country or not. With such statements coming continuously, I am unable to understand whether the Congress party is in favour of India or Pakistan The country should always be united during such times. This is very unfortunate," she said as quoted be news agency ANI.

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Sindoor ka saudagar: Congress steps up attack on S Jaishankar despite fact-check

Rahul Gandhi once again reiterated his claims that India maintained silence over the loss of assets during Operation Sindoor, calling it a 'crime' to have informed Pakistan beforehand, while citing remarks made by S Jaishankar. Following his tweet, Congress leader Pawan Khera called BJP 'Sindoor...
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Rajdeep said:
If that is the case, why are there Pak guests always in his show?

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I've often wondered what type of Pakistanis would come to Arnab Goswami's news show knowing fully well they will be utterly humiliated along with their country.
 

Twinkle Khanna reacts to Pakistani actors like Mawra Hocane and Mahira Khan, being digitally erased from film posters, calling out the absurdity with satire.​


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May 2025 has turned out to be a tense and politically charged month, casting its shadow even over the world of entertainment. What began with India’s strong retaliation to the Pahalgam terror attack—dubbed Operation Sindoor—soon spilled over into cultural spaces, triggering a ripple effect across film and music platforms. One unexpected fallout? The erasure of several Pakistani actors from Indian film posters and streaming platforms.

Pakistani actors removed from Hindi film posters​


Among the first to be impacted was Pakistani actor Mawra Hocane, known for starring opposite Harshvardhan Rane in the 2016 romantic drama Sanam Teri Kasam. After she criticised Operation Sindoor on social media—calling it “cowardly”—a war of words erupted online between her and Harshvardhan. Rane publicly distanced himself from any sequel involving her, stating he wouldn’t work with her again under any circumstances.


Shortly after, Mawra was digitally removed from the film’s poster on multiple music streaming apps. This wasn’t an isolated instance. Mahira Khan, who starred in Raees alongside Shah Rukh Khan in 2017, faced a similar fate. Her image was also edited out from online visuals of the film.

Reacting to these removals, author and former actor Twinkle Khanna commented in her Times of India column. She wrote, “After the recent re-release of Sanam Teri Kasam, I found myself hooked on the soundtrack again. While scrolling through Spotify, I noticed Mawra Hocane had mysteriously vanished from the album cover. A little more digging revealed that other Pakistani stars like Fawad Khan and Mahira Khan have also been scrubbed from promotional posters online.”


In her trademark satirical style, Twinkle added, “Not wanting to be left behind in my patriotic duties, I propose we redub all of Abida Parveen and Farida Khanum’s songs with our very own Dhinchak Pooja. That would surely deliver a lesson the Pakistanis won't forget!”


The production team behind Sanam Teri Kasam 2 has since confirmed that Mawra Hocane won’t be a part of the sequel—citing both political sensitivity and narrative continuity, as her character had died in the original.


This growing divide between the two film industries reflects how art and politics are increasingly intertwined, with creative partnerships now being shaped by nationalistic sentiments and diplomatic tensions.


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Twinkle Khanna Takes A Dig At Erasure Of Pak Actors Amid Indo-Pak Tensions

Twinkle Khanna reacts to Pakistani actors like Mawra Hocane and Mahira Khan, being digitally erased from film posters, calling out the absurdity with satire.
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Was just listening to a Taliban saying today that these people who produce videos of Afghanistan in the 70's are deluded. Afghanistan was never like that, these are probably videos of some private parties among the rich, but not reflective of general society.
 
Reading BRICS rift grows as India refuses calls to reduce dependance on the dollar (was the headline of the article)

People in comments were saying that Indians probably sent by the West to infiltrate the BRICS and calling India rotten. Its why noone helped them. One foot in one foot out of everywhere. And countries, especially now a growing bloc of global south who are sick of the West, see this. Most of whom, especially the Russians, now depend massively on the Chinese and therefore are not willing to compromise their position with them by supporting India.

And Indians themselves have proven incapable of producing any good domestic jets, the Russians aren't making anything great in numbers for themselves never mind for export, China is not selling India anything. Which leaves the West who appear sick of India's non-comitted relations and their activities eg in Canada.

Basically a nation who thinks more of itself in delusions than it actually it is. India, if they patched things with Pakistan and resume full normal service with China, could dominate the globe with the Chinese in an opposing bloc. But like I said above, this entire nation is busy on our destruction, their one singular goal since 2014, they can't see beyond anything. And other countries have cottoned onto this same usual nonsense of 'terror attack' then 'strikes' and realised its all India's capable of and noone steps up to defend it.
 
I saw this video:


Basically what we have been saying. India is aware and India knows that China is helping Pakistan but is terrified of naming China specifically and their entire military and political circle knows they can't survive a two-front war. So instead, as the Indian analyst states, India went for the low hanging fruits ie Turkey and Azerbaijan. The former who only provided some drones, the latter providing us diplomatic support. While ignoring and being fearful of naming the country who has armed our airforce to the teeth. He said the military and the political apparatus all knows and is aware of the big shortcomings the Indian military displayed and will be looking to learn lessons. While the bewakoof BJP brigade pretends otherwise.

The analyst also said what I said here a while back, that Pakistan is unable to even get loans more than $1.5 billion at a time so China is making a deliberate effort to bankroll its military and create a second front, he also correctly said all Pakistani systems (some 81%) run on the same eco-system. Ie. radars, planes, weapon systems, missile systems and air defences are all Chinese enabling seamless and instant compatibility. And in time of war creating an invisble giant net around the country. Whereas Indians have planes from the French and Russians, missile and drones from Israel and air defence systems from the Russians. A hodge podge of systems. And another Russian analyst I listened to said the same thing, during the aerial battle there was talk about how the Rafales actually were unable to integrate with all the other Indian air and ground assets, some only partly and some totally nil and were essentially flying totally blind. He also analysed (much to the rage of Indians) about known last flying positions of Indian jets, Indian formations and Indian strike force (all this information directly from IAF) and what the Pakistanis said about shoot down sites and then the initial reports (with pictures) from the Indian about debris all pointed to jet shootdowns. And like everyone with common sense stated, one jet can crash but 3-5 crashing during a mass skirmish is shootdown(s).

In any other normal country all this would raise massive alarm and the public would question its leadership and beg it to avoid a 2 war front. But this is India.
 
Pakpak said:
Reading BRICS rift grows as India refuses calls to reduce dependance on the dollar (was the headline of the article)

People in comments were saying that Indians probably sent by the West to infiltrate the BRICS and calling India rotten. Its why noone helped them. One foot in one foot out of everywhere. And countries, especially now a growing bloc of global south who are sick of the West, see this. Most of whom, especially the Russians, now depend massively on the Chinese and therefore are not willing to compromise their position with them by supporting India.

And Indians themselves have proven incapable of producing any good domestic jets, the Russians aren't making anything great in numbers for themselves never mind for export, China is not selling India anything. Which leaves the West who appear sick of India's non-comitted relations and their activities eg in Canada.

Basically a nation who thinks more of itself in delusions than it actually it is. India, if they patched things with Pakistan and resume full normal service with China, could dominate the globe with the Chinese in an opposing bloc. But like I said above, this entire nation is busy on our destruction, their one singular goal since 2014, they can't see beyond anything. And other countries have cottoned onto this same usual nonsense of 'terror attack' then 'strikes' and realised its all India's capable of and noone steps up to defend it.
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It's crazy. Russia and China both opened up to the west under USA leadership, and as soon as the US saw it was losing it's domination of global markets they turned round and started instigating proxy wars in the east. They learned the hard way and are trying not to become too reliant on the west, but India it seems hasn't learned this lesson. The deluded fools in the BJP govt are still more interested in recreating some mythical Mahabharata.

We are lucky we live in the west so we are still on the winning side, but if you live in the east, why would you enable us? :facepalm:
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
It's crazy. Russia and China both opened up to the west under USA leadership, and as soon as the US saw it was losing it's domination of global markets they turned round and started instigating proxy wars in the east. They learned the hard way and are trying not to become too reliant on the west, but India it seems hasn't learned this lesson. The deluded fools in the BJP govt are still more interested in recreating some mythical Mahabharata.

We are lucky we live in the west so we are still on the winning side, but if you live in the east, why would you enable us? :facepalm:
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The surprising thing is India can see all the examples of how the West treats its past friends littered all across South and South Eastern Asia. From using and then dumping Pakistan including funding numerous groups, using and dumping Iran, using and dumping Iraq (the state of Iraq now), using and dumping Vietnam, current Syria and the best of all- Afghanistan. And India learns nothing.

India lives in the delusion it can become the West's best friend and in return get all the goodies in terms of weapons (which as I pointed above, this strategy doesn't work), has astonishngly high delusions of grandeur about its actual status and thought it'd get away with domestic terrorism in Western nations (it hasn't, the West pretty much hates it because of this and this has severely compromised India's ability to rally the West with it for the usual terrorism trope against Pakistan) and despite all this still pretend it is part of the Eastern bloc, which the East (even the Russians) have grown tired of.

To be a totally neutral state and be 'friends to all' like the Swiss, you have to ensure you have no conflicts with anyone as then that way you're not forced to insincerely play both sides and look like a snake and then in time of actual conflict people will support you. India is anything but, it's currently a hateful state with problems with all its neighbors. Problems it can fully solve but is not interested in solving.
 
I was listening to a Chinese analyst online (I’m sure everyone’s bored with my long posts by now), and the analyst made a valid point. India is not a leader in any industrial capacity in any shape or form. What it has become is a cheap assembly line for the Americans, because the Americans can no longer manufacture goods for themselves, so they’re using India to do it with cheap labour.

What India should be doing is building close partnerships with its Asian neighbors: Central Asia, Southeast Asia, which it's currently failing to do.

The analyst also said that India is deluded into thinking it’s like Israel and that it can use aggressive, hardline rhetoric, carry out preemptive strikes, and project power the way Israel does. But India forgets that it is not Israel. Israel is the only nuclear power in its region, while India is surrounded by two nuclear power, both with capable militaries, one of which is almost a superpower.

And unlike Israel, Uncle Sam will never offer India the same unwavering commitment. The U.S. doesn’t do that for anyone but Israel, not even European allies, let alone others.

So India really needs to rethink its position, reconsider its relationships, and remember yhe U.S. will use India for its strategic goald and discard it when it no longer serves those interests.

The Indian posters can bury their head all they want but this is the brutal reality. Their government has deluded them into thinking they're some super power. They're not.
 
Pakistan sent 5,000 drones, each costing only 15,000 rupees, and we fired a missile worth 1.5 million rupees to shoot down just one drone. Then, three to four of our Rafale jets were also shot down.— Senior Indian politician Jeet Vadetiwar

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Cpt. Rishwat said:
Was just listening to a Taliban saying today that these people who produce videos of Afghanistan in the 70's are deluded. Afghanistan was never like that, these are probably videos of some private parties among the rich, but not reflective of general society.
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But that’s not even the case anymore amongst the Afghan elites is it?
 
Mithai or propaganda? India’s dessert names latest victim of 'Pak' tensions

Several sweet sellers in Jaipur, the capital India's Rajasthan have reportedly renamed Indian confections by removing the word “Pak”.

Desserts such as Mysore Pak, Moti Pak, Gond Pak, and Aam Pak are now being reportedly sold under new names including Mysore Shree, Moti Shree, Gond Shree, and Aam Shree.

Though the term “Pak” refers to the sugar syrup stage in traditional Indian sweet-making and has no connection to Pakistan, the change reflects a symbolic shift in tone following a flare-up in bilateral tensions.

In the days since, nationalistic fervour has surged across parts of India. While renaming sweets may seem minor, some locals view the act as a form of cultural assertion.

“The names were never about Pakistan, but if changing them helps send a message, why not?” said one customer outside a shop offering freshly labelled “Mysore Shree.”

Culinary experts and linguists have pointed out that the suffix “Pak” originates from Sanskrit, meaning a stage in cooking involving syrup.

The dessert Mysore Pak, for instance, originated in the royal kitchens of Mysuru, Karnataka, and has been a staple of South Indian cuisine for over a century.

Despite the term’s historical and culinary roots, the symbolic nature of the renaming has sparked debate. Critics argue that altering food names in response to political tensions risks conflating cultural heritage with modern nationalism.

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Ball Blazer said:
Mithai or propaganda? India’s dessert names latest victim of 'Pak' tensions

Several sweet sellers in Jaipur, the capital India's Rajasthan have reportedly renamed Indian confections by removing the word “Pak”.

Desserts such as Mysore Pak, Moti Pak, Gond Pak, and Aam Pak are now being reportedly sold under new names including Mysore Shree, Moti Shree, Gond Shree, and Aam Shree.

Though the term “Pak” refers to the sugar syrup stage in traditional Indian sweet-making and has no connection to Pakistan, the change reflects a symbolic shift in tone following a flare-up in bilateral tensions.

In the days since, nationalistic fervour has surged across parts of India. While renaming sweets may seem minor, some locals view the act as a form of cultural assertion.

“The names were never about Pakistan, but if changing them helps send a message, why not?” said one customer outside a shop offering freshly labelled “Mysore Shree.”

Culinary experts and linguists have pointed out that the suffix “Pak” originates from Sanskrit, meaning a stage in cooking involving syrup.

The dessert Mysore Pak, for instance, originated in the royal kitchens of Mysuru, Karnataka, and has been a staple of South Indian cuisine for over a century.

Despite the term’s historical and culinary roots, the symbolic nature of the renaming has sparked debate. Critics argue that altering food names in response to political tensions risks conflating cultural heritage with modern nationalism.

SOURCE: TRIBUNE.COM.PK
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Just want to know what they are going to rename PAKora with 😁
 
another fact that has been made evident over the past few weeks is that Pakistan and india have now culturally, mentally and socially moved significantly apart. the idea of akhand bharat seems about as dumb as trying to have turkey and Italy as one country cos they were once part of the roman empire. yes punjabis and sindhis have some commonalities with punjabis and sindhis across the border, but in a general sense, apart from the urdu being the lingua franca of the Pakistani middle and upper class and aspirational bollywood image, both countries by and large have little in common anymore.
 
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How did a retard like Gauav Arya become major? :inti

No wonder why India got their ***** kicked in 2019, 2025, and also against the Chinese. Seems like they have many incompetent clowns in the military (sanghi sifarish?). :inti
 
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ElRaja said:
another fact that has been made evident over the past few weeks is that Pakistan and india have now culturally, mentally and socially moved significantly apart. the idea of akhand bharat seems about as dumb as trying to have turkey and Italy as one country cos they were once part of the roman empire. yes punjabis and sindhis have some commonalities with punjabis and sindhis across the border, but in a general sense, apart from the urdu being the lingua franca of the Pakistani middle and upper class and aspirational bollywood image, both countries by and large have little in common anymore.
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Punjabis, Sindhis are not the only 2 common demographic, don’t forget the urdu speaking migrants from UP-Bihar. Add Gujaratis as well.

Also Pakistanis pick up on these small things like Akhand Bharat. That’s never India’s state policy. It’s not practical. India’s progress already gets held back by high volume of poor people, radicalism and social issues; why would India want to incorporate more headaches with Pak, Bangladesh which have worse when it comes to these things?
 
ElRaja said:
another fact that has been made evident over the past few weeks is that Pakistan and india have now culturally, mentally and socially moved significantly apart.
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They were never culturally, mentally or socially close in the first place, I'm not sure why the last two weeks made you think otherwise.
 
Local.Dada said:
Punjabis, Sindhis are not the only 2 common demographic, don’t forget the urdu speaking migrants from UP-Bihar. Add Gujaratis as well.

Also Pakistanis pick up on these small things like Akhand Bharat. That’s never India’s state policy. It’s not practical. India’s progress already gets held back by high volume of poor people, radicalism and social issues; why would India want to incorporate more headaches with Pak, Bangladesh which have worse when it comes to these things?
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urdu speaking migrants from up bihar are significantly different to the few biharis ive met, they have some cultural artefacts they share in common but the urdu speaking people of Pakistan have become a unique group that has more commonalities amongst their own group than the historic groups they were part of. i only have a few urdu speaking friends, but they have way more of a karachi community, then any sense of community with those who they left in india.

akhand bharat is a very real part of extreme hindutva ideology, which looks to unite the indian subcontinent on the grounds of a supposed shared hindu cultural background, it doesnt have to be political reality, and it never will be, but the idea is still sold to numerous gullible individuals in the rank and file of the right wing hindu movements to motivate and give a sense of greater cause.
 
RexRex said:
They were never culturally, mentally or socially close in the first place, I'm not sure why the last two weeks made you think otherwise.
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growing up in pakistan my only experince of indians was sikh yatris coming to Pakistan, and they spoke they same language, ate the same food, dressed similarish, so in my own myopic view i never thought of indains being too significantly different other than religion, then there has always been an element of subcontinental asia being treated as one entity in cultural, historical sense, which was very much the case up until the late 90s at least.

i think in the decade or two post partition there were a lot of similarities, as both countries were dominated by the privileged class that the British empire left behind, and the brits tried to mould them in their image. to non desis especially all "desis" have always just been brown people who eat curry. but i think the last few years has changed that image, where even non-desis are realising the difference between the two to some extent.
 
ElRaja said:
akhand bharat is a very real part of extreme hindutva ideology, which looks to unite the indian subcontinent on the grounds of a supposed shared hindu cultural background, it doesnt have to be political reality, and it never will be, but the idea is still sold to numerous gullible individuals in the rank and file of the right wing hindu movements to motivate and give a sense of greater cause.
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Again I am an Indian and BJP supporter. I have actually visited an RSS office even though I am not an official member. I find the confidence in which you are telling me about “oh this is extreme Hindutva ideology” 🤣

First what are you taking about when you say that?

Are you talking about BJP? Well BJP is a political party. They have been in power for 11 years now + 5 years in the 1990s- did you see them change the state policy?

Are you talking about RSS- well they work more at a ground level rather than having any say in international diplomacy or policy. In fact they have 0 reach outside India and maybe even limited reach in a lot of Indian states.

Are you talking about Bajrang Dal etc- well the are again busy tackling missionaries etc. and have very little mainstream presence.

Now if some sub set of a sub set of subset fringe said that, I am not aware and even you a shouldn’t take it seriously.

So when you broadly say “Hindutva extremists” what are you talking about?

i would like you see you bring more depth here instead of the same old chooran.

Last time I checked Nehru, Jinnah and Patel were forefront of partition where as both RSS and Deobandi ullema and other strict Islamic organizations did oppose partition. Not because of patritosim probably but for whatever reason.
 
Local.Dada said:
Again I am an Indian and BJP supporter. I have actually visited an RSS office even though I am not an official member. I find the confidence in which you are telling me about “oh this is extreme Hindutva ideology” 🤣

First what are you taking about when you say that?

Are you talking about BJP? Well BJP is a political party. They have been in power for 11 years now + 5 years in the 1990s- did you see them change the state policy?

Are you talking about RSS- well they work more at a ground level rather than having any say in international diplomacy or policy. In fact they have 0 reach outside India and maybe even limited reach in a lot of Indian states.

Are you talking about Bajrang Dal etc- well the are again busy tackling missionaries etc. and have very little mainstream presence.

Now if some sub set of a sub set of subset fringe said that, I am not aware and even you a shouldn’t take it seriously.

So when you broadly say “Hindutva extremists” what are you talking about?

i would like you see you bring more depth here instead of the same old chooran.

Last time I checked Nehru, Jinnah and Patel were forefront of partition where as both RSS and Deobandi ullema and other strict Islamic organizations did oppose partition. Not because of patritosim probably but for whatever reason.
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RSS ideology, ive already said it in another thread regarding the religious groups and their opposition to jinnah. this isnt rehashed chooran, its the ideological wet dreams of a lot of rank and file who form the grass roots of the hindutva movement.
 
ElRaja said:
RSS ideology, ive already said it in another thread regarding the religious groups and their opposition to jinnah. this isnt rehashed chooran, its the ideological wet dreams of a lot of rank and file who form the grass roots of the hindutva movement.
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Just saying “RSS ideology” is not enough. What is your source material you have read to form that opinion? Have you read books etc to form this opinion. Have you seen the RSS manifesto? “ as I said in the other thread” means jack. Even some maulana who is brainwashing kids is saying the same thing. What is the actual source? Indian state policy? Indian constitution? Any state level policy? Kuch bhi mat pelo with half-baked knowledge.
 
MAY 6 - Pakistan in defence shoots down 29 Indian drones violating Pakistani space
MAY 7 - India launches operation sindoor and attacks 9 public places
May 8 - Trump offers mediate but india rejects
May 9 - Pakistan again defending and downs another 29 drones and missiles
May 10 - Pakistan says enough is enough and its time to attack morning of 10th may and launches operation Bunyan-un- Maroos and Pakistan launches attack
May 10 - India shits it pants and runs to USA and accepts trumps offer to mediate
May 10 - USA speaks to Pakistan and requests cease fire and Pakistan accepts request.

can't be any simple than this
 
Local.Dada said:
Just saying “RSS ideology” is not enough. What is your source material you have read to form that opinion? Have you read books etc to form this opinion. Have you seen the RSS manifesto? “ as I said in the other thread” means jack. Even some maulana who is brainwashing kids is saying the same thing. What is the actual source? Indian state policy? Indian constitution? Any state level policy? Kuch bhi mat pelo with half-baked knowledge.
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straight from the horses mouth
 
ElRaja said:
straight from the horses mouth
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Did you “read” the article or did you google search RSS Hindutva Akhand Bharat key words.

Nothing in what he said speaks about some kind of actual state policy. Once again “read” which seems to be a missing attribute.

He said India has made progress and others haven’t which will make them realize it was a mistake to separate from India . Now sure you can disagree with that point but nothing here speaks of any policy of invading and taking over countries.

So by the same account most Muslims say “Kafir” and “Ghazwa” and seems like a clear state policy that even your Army chief said. That should he more concerning.

You guys have a Modi- RSS phobia because you want Pakistan to be run on shariah but India to be secular lol. I am not against the idea of India being secular but this dumb hypocrisy amuses me.

Again comeback when you have more depth to this argument instead of reading out of pamphlets some fringe madrassa gave you and misusing google search 👍
 
Local.Dada said:
Did you “read” the article or did you google search RSS Hindutva Akhand Bharat key words.

Nothing in what he said speaks about some kind of actual state policy. Once again “read” which seems to be a missing attribute.

He said India has made progress and others haven’t which will make them realize it was a mistake to separate from India . Now sure you can disagree with that point but nothing here speaks of any policy of invading and taking over countries.

So by the same account most Muslims say “Kafir” and “Ghazwa” and seems like a clear state policy that even your Army chief said. That should he more concerning.

You guys have a Modi- RSS phobia because you want Pakistan to be run on shariah but India to be secular lol. I am not against the idea of India being secular but this dumb hypocrisy amuses me.

Again comeback when you have more depth to this argument instead of reading out of pamphlets some fringe madrassa gave you and misusing google search 👍
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dude what are you smoking, theres videos of the top RSS guy using the words akhand again and again, if you dont know, its called dog whistle politics, he might not believe in it, the powers that be know that its not true, but it excites the people they want to with it. this is politics 101. theres no need to use those terms unless you know exactly what you are doing.

ghazwa-e-hind is part of Islamic theology, what you want me to do about that? im not gonna deny it because its inconvenient, but Muslims have already conquered india and lost parts of india so it could have already been fulfilled depending on which interpretation which maulvi has, who knows. loads of Pakistanis believe india will eventually be conquered again by Muslims, so what? the real issue is that you cant admit the fact that a rank and file mass of hindutva supporters want the exact same kind of wishes of akhand bharat because the RSS has ties with the leader you like to promote as not being a fringe loony.

pakistanis openly hate their leaders, indians dont, because you guys actually believe the kool aid you are being fed. i couldn't care less if Pakistan was run by shariah or not, i just like calling out the double standards of indians who try to project an image of india being secular, tolerant and peaceful when its increasingly evident that that is not the case.
 
ElRaja said:
ghazwa-e-hind is part of Islamic theology, what you want me to do about that? im not gonna deny it because its inconvenient, but Muslims have already conquered india and lost parts of india so it could have already been fulfilled depending on which interpretation which maulvi has, who knows. loads of Pakistanis believe india will eventually be conquered again by Muslims, so what? the real issue is that you cant admit the fact that a rank and file mass of hindutva supporters want the exact same kind of wishes of akhand bharat because the RSS has ties with the leader you like to promote as not being a fringe loony.

pakistanis openly hate their leaders, indians dont, because you guys actually believe the kool aid you are being fed. i couldn't care less if Pakistan was run by shariah or not, i just like calling out the double standards of indians who try to project an image of india being secular, tolerant and peaceful when its increasingly evident that that is not the case.
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If Ghazwa is part of Islamic theology, and a country is founded on Islamic principles, that fundamentally contradicts the idea of secularism. So why would you want to preach secularism to India then? Lol.

Now, Pakistanis openly hate their leaders—probably because, after Jinnah, there hasn’t been a single statesman-type, tall leader in Pakistan. They’ve mostly been waderas or generals. On the other hand, despite all the flaws in our politicians, India has been led by economists, scholars, and mass leaders. So, even with criticism, there’s always a sense of mad respect.

Now coming to being secular and tolerant—of course, we are. Individuals may be racist or biased. You think everyone in America is “super liberal”? There’s a lot more racism in America, Canada, or Europe. But those countries have checks and balances in place through their constitutions. Same goes for India. Work hard, and anyone can make it—it’s as simple as that. And that was made possible because we are 80% Hindu. It’s not about exceptional cases but about the sum of all parts.

So it’s funny when someone gives disclaimers like, “It’s Islam, what am I supposed to do?” while giving us holier-than-thou lectures. Do you not see the problem here?
 
ElRaja said:
to non desis especially all "desis" have always just been brown people who eat curry. but i think the last few years has changed that image, where even non-desis are realising the difference between the two to some extent.
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How has that image changed ? It's still the same to non-desis imo .. whoever comes from the subcontinent is pretty much dubbed an Indian no matter where he travels. I guess there's a bit more awareness of the subtleties in the UK.
 
ElRaja said:
the real issue is that you cant admit the fact that a rank and file mass of hindutva supporters want the exact same kind of wishes of akhand bharat
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Just curious as to Who told you that and why you internalized it as a hard fact.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Lol please make up your mind...at one instance you rejected Pak satellite pics as doctored because of black dots and now you are endorsing one with the same attribute.
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Read again bro . These are not Pakistan provided satelite images. Pakistan images were doctored and already exposed by multiple satellite company like maxar

:kp
 
sweep_shot said:
Sanghi logic:

If something makes India look good, it is legit.
If something makes India look bad, it is fake news.

:inti
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Cant beat the Pakistani Lahori logic .... if its against Pakistani then it must be a yahoodi saagish. If the whole world is against Pakistan then the whole world is wrong.

:lol
 
uppercut said:
Cant beat the Pakistani Lahori logic .... if its against Pakistani then it must be a yahoodi saagish. If the whole world is against Pakistan then the whole world is wrong.

:lol
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You can try to spam fill every thread with your propaganda thinking that your volume of lies will overwhelm the truth and you can reframe the narrative. I have news for you..... it's not going to happen. The world knows what happened and is in awe of what Pakistan done.

@Bhaijaan was still sleeping with candle lights on at night, days after the ceasefire came into force. These are lived experiences of people own your side mate.
 
IronShield said:
You can try to spam fill every thread with your propaganda thinking that your volume of lies will overwhelm the truth and you can reframe the narrative. I have news for you..... it's not going to happen. The world knows what happened and is in awe of what Pakistan done.

@Bhaijaan was still sleeping with candle lights on at night, days after the ceasefire came into force. These are lived experiences of people own your side mate.
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yeah ... here is the reality:

 
Local.Dada said:
If Ghazwa is part of Islamic theology, and a country is founded on Islamic principles, that fundamentally contradicts the idea of secularism. So why would you want to preach secularism to India then? Lol.

Now, Pakistanis openly hate their leaders—probably because, after Jinnah, there hasn’t been a single statesman-type, tall leader in Pakistan. They’ve mostly been waderas or generals. On the other hand, despite all the flaws in our politicians, India has been led by economists, scholars, and mass leaders. So, even with criticism, there’s always a sense of mad respect.

Now coming to being secular and tolerant—of course, we are. Individuals may be racist or biased. You think everyone in America is “super liberal”? There’s a lot more racism in America, Canada, or Europe. But those countries have checks and balances in place through their constitutions. Same goes for India. Work hard, and anyone can make it—it’s as simple as that. And that was made possible because we are 80% Hindu. It’s not about exceptional cases but about the sum of all parts.

So it’s funny when someone gives disclaimers like, “It’s Islam, what am I supposed to do?” while giving us holier-than-thou lectures. Do you not see the problem here?
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because muslims don't claim to be secular. A lot of indians claim to be, but then support a ruling party which has its ideological roots in hindu supremacy, do you not see the problem here?
 
ElRaja said:
because muslims don't claim to be secular. A lot of indians claim to be, but then support a ruling party which has its ideological roots in hindu supremacy, do you not see the problem here?
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Even if this is true, there's a clear double standard when Muslims who rarely want true secularism start questioning the secularism in the West, let alone in India.
 
Pakpak said:
I saw this video:


Basically what we have been saying. India is aware and India knows that China is helping Pakistan but is terrified of naming China specifically and their entire military and political circle knows they can't survive a two-front war. So instead, as the Indian analyst states, India went for the low hanging fruits ie Turkey and Azerbaijan. The former who only provided some drones, the latter providing us diplomatic support. While ignoring and being fearful of naming the country who has armed our airforce to the teeth. He said the military and the political apparatus all knows and is aware of the big shortcomings the Indian military displayed and will be looking to learn lessons. While the bewakoof BJP brigade pretends otherwise.

The analyst also said what I said here a while back, that Pakistan is unable to even get loans more than $1.5 billion at a time so China is making a deliberate effort to bankroll its military and create a second front, he also correctly said all Pakistani systems (some 81%) run on the same eco-system. Ie. radars, planes, weapon systems, missile systems and air defences are all Chinese enabling seamless and instant compatibility. And in time of war creating an invisble giant net around the country. Whereas Indians have planes from the French and Russians, missile and drones from Israel and air defence systems from the Russians. A hodge podge of systems. And another Russian analyst I listened to said the same thing, during the aerial battle there was talk about how the Rafales actually were unable to integrate with all the other Indian air and ground assets, some only partly and some totally nil and were essentially flying totally blind. He also analysed (much to the rage of Indians) about known last flying positions of Indian jets, Indian formations and Indian strike force (all this information directly from IAF) and what the Pakistanis said about shoot down sites and then the initial reports (with pictures) from the Indian about debris all pointed to jet shootdowns. And like everyone with common sense stated, one jet can crash but 3-5 crashing during a mass skirmish is shootdown(s).

In any other normal country all this would raise massive alarm and the public would question its leadership and beg it to avoid a 2 war front. But this is India.
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Who has banned Tiktok? Who has banned many Chinese exports. Who is negotiating with China to go back to 2020 border status. Look at our media...it is full of statements against China.

India is arming phillipines and Vietnam..participating in quad..we are not idiots to launch a war against a much powerful enemy who are also not stupid to launch a war against a less powerful but massively formidable enemy. That's how mature countries behave..on the other hand beggars with nothing to lose behave differently..and hope their big brother bails them out.

So why turkey and. Azerbaijan..mbcos average Indians know China is an adversary..m but average Indians travel to Turkey ..so new education and bans are put in place.
 

Pakistan condemns Modi's Gujarat speech as 'reckless provocation'​


Pakistan condemned on Tuesday recent comments by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi as "reckless provocation" and a threat to regional peace.

Delivering a speech in Gujarat a day prior, Modi had said, "The people of Pakistan must come forward to rid their country of terrorism. Their youth will have to come forward”.

"Live a life of peace, eat your bread or [choose my] bullet," he added. Modi then about India’s progress, saying the country has passed Japan to become the world’s fourth-largest economy. He then attacked Pakistan, saying, “India believes in tourism, but Pakistan sees terrorism as tourism. That’s dangerous for the world”.

Modi further claimed that Indian forces had destroyed Pakistani air bases after attacks in the past and when Pakistan targetted civilians in May, India answered with double the force.

Reacting to the remarks, the Pakistan Ministry of Foreign Affairs has expressed regret over the "continued erosion of maturity and decorum in Indian statecraft".

Modi's speech was “delivered in Gujarat with the theatrical flourish of a campaign rally rather than the sobriety expected of the leader of a nuclear-armed state," noted the Foreign Office in its statement.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1927095465037668768

“The hate-driven invocation of violence in his remarks is deeply disturbing, not only for its content but for the dangerous precedent it sets in region already burdened by volatility,” the FO added.“These remarks violate the principles of the United Nations Charter,” the FO noted further. “Member states are obligated to resolve disputes peacefully and to refrain from the threat or use of force.”

Source: Tribune.com.pk
 
Inds should be grateful that they are facing SS and mafia as their opponents in the PR game, if they had face IK they would have to hide Modi in some Tea garden in Assam to avoid even more humiliation
 
Local.Dada said:
If Ghazwa is part of Islamic theology, and a country is founded on Islamic principles, that fundamentally contradicts the idea of secularism. So why would you want to preach secularism to India then? Lol.

Now, Pakistanis openly hate their leaders—probably because, after Jinnah, there hasn’t been a single statesman-type, tall leader in Pakistan. They’ve mostly been waderas or generals. On the other hand, despite all the flaws in our politicians, India has been led by economists, scholars, and mass leaders. So, even with criticism, there’s always a sense of mad respect.

Now coming to being secular and tolerant—of course, we are. Individuals may be racist or biased. You think everyone in America is “super liberal”? There’s a lot more racism in America, Canada, or Europe. But those countries have checks and balances in place through their constitutions. Same goes for India. Work hard, and anyone can make it—it’s as simple as that. And that was made possible because we are 80% Hindu. It’s not about exceptional cases but about the sum of all parts.

So it’s funny when someone gives disclaimers like, “It’s Islam, what am I supposed to do?” while giving us holier-than-thou lectures. Do you not see the problem here?
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I was watching a video of a Taliban spokesman giving a 2hr interview on the Daniel Haquiqatjou channel ( he is a hardcore Islamist by the way) and he justified clashes with Pakistan as Ghazwa e Hind.

Now apart from showcasing just how hardcore the Taliban are, what does that tell you about your own govt's relationship with the Afghan govt? If it's not hypocrisy to the core I don't know what it is.
 
RexRex said:
But the question remains .. why did your Army Chief gift a 6 year old chinese picture to your PM ?
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It's upto him don't see why you have an issue unless he specifically mentioned its from the current conflict. Maybe it's just in the honour of Chinese missiles? That destroyed india black and blue
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I was watching a video of a Taliban spokesman giving a 2hr interview on the Daniel Haquiqatjou channel ( he is a hardcore Islamist by the way) and he justified clashes with Pakistan as Ghazwa e Hind.

Now apart from showcasing just how hardcore the Taliban are, what does that tell you about your own govt's relationship with the Afghan govt? If it's not hypocrisy to the core I don't know what it is.
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weren’t you the same guy celebrating when Taliban took back control few years back.
 
Bewal Express said:
Inds should be grateful that they are facing SS and mafia as their opponents in the PR game, if they had face IK they would have to hide Modi in some Tea garden in Assam to avoid even more humiliation
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What world do you live in live in 🤣. Ik himself is in a dark solitary cell somewhere being humiliated everyday
 
Local.Dada said:
What world do you live in live in 🤣. Ik himself is in a dark solitary cell somewhere being humiliated everyday
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That's the stupidity of a criminal Junta. Lest we forget that your RSS fascist couldn't face IK in 2019 as he feared that his teleprompter might pack in. We have seen your idiots for what they are- Shankar told us USA was in America. These duffers make our idiotic Generals look clever.🤣🤣
 
Bewal Express said:
That's the stupidity of a criminal Junta. Lest we forget that your RSS fascist couldn't face IK in 2019 as he feared that his teleprompter might pack in. We have seen your idiots for what they are- Shankar told us USA was in America. These duffers make our idiotic Generals look clever.🤣🤣
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You are some real specimen aren’t you? In 2019 this how things unfolded- we got our pilot back, we removed article 370, Modi won another election. Imran Khan lost power, got thrown in jail for stealing a watch.

All you were left with is Immy in jail and we heard rumors of what happens to him inside 🤣

So yeah your generals definitely showed their intelligence 😁
 
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