How many more Test matches can Jasprit Bumrah play?

[jeeteshssaxena]

It’s the effectiveness - India didn’t win any of those matches, and he didn’t perform in the right innings.

You can do your bus bud stats, we over here use our eyes and analyse son!

Wasim and Waqar won nothing in Aus, so how do you view their performance?

 

[saimayubera]

Wasim and Waqar won nothing in Aus, so how do you view their performance?

Or WI. Or SA.

And they were the top teams in their era.

 

[Sachin fan]

Wasim and Waqar won nothing in Aus, so how do you view their performance?

By his logic Bumrah who has won everywhere has surpassed Wasim, Imran and Waqar by big margin

 

[Hikaru]

By his logic Bumrah who has won everywhere has surpassed Wasim, Imran and Waqar by big margin

Waqar shouldn't even be in the same sentence as the other three. Bumrah indeed has surpassed Imran by some distance, while Wasim is not too far ahead. Bumrah will never match his longevity, but he can make up for it in terms of record and achievements.

 

[TheSultan]

Stats without context is just propaganda pushing your own narrative.

Hadlee - His subcontinent stats were propped up by 23 wickets in a 3 test series vs the only real minnows of that time - Sri Lanka.

He had mediocre tour of Pakistan in 1976 and never toured there again. He had half decent tour of India in 1988.

As for Bumrah - you can quote whatever stats you want. He only bowls in India when there’s something in it for the bowlers. And if it’s a spin dustbowl he doesn’t bowl. He’s never toured Pakistan, never toured Sri Lanka, never toured Bangladesh.

So don’t give me some random 17 average.

Your stats analysis is kindergarten-esque. Someone give me a real challenge. This bud bud regurgitating of stats may work in India, but this is a pak forum.

don’t test with knowledge boy!

 

[TheSultan]

Waqar shouldn't even be in the same sentence as the other three. Bumrah indeed has surpassed Imran by some distance, while Wasim is not too far ahead. Bumrah will never match his longevity, but he can make up for it in terms of record and achievements.

What cos you said so? Give me some proof.

the clock is ticking - bud, bud, bud, bud

 

[saimayubera]

Stats without context is just propaganda pushing your own narrative.

Hadlee - His subcontinent stats were propped up by 23 wickets in a 3 test series vs the only real minnows of that time - Sri Lanka.

He had mediocre tour of Pakistan in 1976 and never toured there again. He had half decent tour of India in 1988.

As for Bumrah - you can quote whatever stats you want. He only bowls in India when there’s something in it for the bowlers. And if it’s a spin dustbowl he doesn’t bowl. He’s never toured Pakistan, never toured Sri Lanka, never toured Bangladesh.

So don’t give me some random 17 average.

Your stats analysis is kindergarten-esque. Someone give me a real challenge. This bud bud regurgitating of stats may work in India, but this is a pak forum.

don’t test with knowledge boy!

Lol no. He averaged 17 in the Eng series. Anderson etc averaged 50+ lol.

And you can see how WI bowlers are bowling now.

Yeah you are right, Pakistanis need to understand how numbers work before they can understand stats. Here it's all jazba, junoon, qudraat ka nizaam etc.

 

[TheSultan]

Wasim and Waqar won nothing in Aus, so how do you view their performance?

That’s not the point - I was responding to someone who used that BgT series to prove he’s still got it.

And please Aus in the 90s / early 2000s were much better than the sorry batting lineup right now.

And the Ws beat Aus in Pak on much flatter tracks than Aus. That’s a bigger win in my book.

 

[TheSultan]

Also @SULTAN,

since we are talking of "coping on the flat tracks of the subcontinent", here are the averages in the SC

Wasim - 22.53
Waqar - 20.64
Imran - 20.28

Bumrah - 17

Bumrah has a better average here too lol

Read bud bud

 

[TheSultan]

It’s futile putting stats in front of me Indians - I can destroy all of them with my background knowledge.

If you want to carry on, get in line.

 

[saimayubera]

That’s not the point - I was responding to someone who used that BgT series to prove he’s still got it.

And please Aus in the 90s / early 2000s were much better than the sorry batting lineup right now.

And the Ws beat Aus in Pak on much flatter tracks than Aus. That’s a bigger win in my book.

Naah.

Two W's went to Aus from late 80s to mid 90s also and that batting was on the level of current Aus batting or worse. Pak only toured Aus in the late 90s/early 00s ONCE when they were whitewashed.

Pak lost in Aus in 89-90 and 95-96 too.

And two W's also lost to Aus at home in 1997.

Again that sneaky thing of choosing specific subsets lol.

 

[saimayubera]

Read bud bud

Lol no just cope

 

[saimayubera]

It’s futile putting stats in front of me Indians - I can destroy all of them with my background knowledge.

If you want to carry on, get in line.

You can just cope lol. Only you are getting destroyed.

 

[TheSultan]

Naah.

Two W's went to Aus from late 80s to mid 90s also and that batting was on the level of current Aus batting or worse. Pak only toured Aus in the late 90s/early 00s ONCE when they were whitewashed.

Pak lost in Aus in 89-90 and 95-96 too.

And two W's also lost to Aus at home in 1997.

Again that sneaky thing of choosing specific subsets lol.

Waqar hardly played in 1989 series. Wasim actually had a great tour. It’s from that tour the Aussies fell in love with him.

95-96 was a great Australian team too.

1997 - there was no series. It was 1998 - Waqar didn’t play and wasim only played one game.

Honestly, do you research properly boy!

 

[saimayubera]

Waqar hardly played in 1989 series. Wasim actually had a great tour. It’s from that tour the Aussies fell in love with him.

95-96 was a great Australian team too.

1997 - there was no series. It was 1998 - Waqar didn’t play and wasim only played one game.

Honestly, do you research properly boy!

Wasim still lost in 89. Isn't that the criteria you use for Bumrah lol.

95-96 was hardly the late 90s early 00s team. And Pak still LOST.

 

[Hikaru]

What cos you said so? Give me some proof.

the clock is ticking - bud, bud, bud, bud

Lmao, nobody is seeking your approval.

Turn off that clock.

 

[saimayubera]

Bumrah is still playing and will keep on increasing his Asia wickets.

Wasim, Waqar are retired and Imran is in jail.

 

[kron]

It’s futile putting stats in front of me Indians - I can destroy all of them with my background knowledge.

If you want to carry on, get in line.

Ok.
Wasim is then best ever.
Then imran

You win the internet. No one can defeat you.

Bumrah is a baby bowler only.

 

[Buffet]

Bumrah’s greatness is down to his performance in Australia. Picking wickets in South Africa is no more tougher than picking wickets in Sri Lanka because of the favourable pitches for fast bowlers especially when India toured or even picking home wickets vs Australia, South Africa, England or New Zealand.

Nah, it's not just about Aus. He has MOS in SA, Eng and Aus. Simply said, standout among 25-30 players playing the series in the same conditions in the same series. I am not rating him high just on his raw stats.

 

[kron]

Nah, it's not just about Aus. He has MOS in SA, Eng and Aus. Simply said, standout among 25-30 players playing the series in the same conditions in the same series. I am not rating him high just on his raw stats.

One more good series in either England or nz
Means he is top 4 for me

Right now 6th

 

[TheSultan]

Man of match / series are misleading too.

Talat was man of the match in the Asia cup vs SL game. That was a pathetic innings imo

 

[jnaveen1980]

Man of match / series are misleading too.

Talat was man of the match in the Asia cup vs SL game. That was a pathetic innings imo

Ya Talat getting MOM in a stupid Asia cup = Brian Lara winning MOM against Australian team in Tests. You should stick to shouting "pace is pace yaar' slogan.

 

[Ab Fan]

Wasim’s avg vs top countries during his era :

Aus - 24
England - 28
Ind - 27
WI - 26
SA - 39

Imran Khan’s avg :-

WI - 25
Aus - 28
NZ - 26
Eng - 24
Ind - 28

Both were mostly good everywhere but never stood out anywhere away from home vs a top nation, like Hadlee, Bumrah and Ambrose did in Australia.

IK, Wasim, Donald, Cummins and Rabada have been balanced test bowler, being fair weather bowlers who did well vs top teams but didn’t stand out vs any top team like Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Ambrose and Bumrah did. One may include batting for IK and then his case strengthens as he has won player of series in various countries. At the same time, Bumrah would need longevity/ durability which others have and Bumrah lags in that aspect.

 

[TheSultan]

I hate saying I told you so but…….

Wicketless again in the second innings!

bUt hE iS nOt iN dEcLINe!

 

[kron]

I hate saying I told you so but…….

Wicketless again in the second innings!

bUt hE iS nOt iN dEcLINe!

Averaged 19 in the test match lel
And even if he were in decline right. He would still be better than Wasim and Imran.

Goat Asian pace bowler of all time.

Already has helped India win more games vs top 4 teams.

 

[saimayubera]

I hate saying I told you so but…….

Wicketless again in the second innings!

bUt hE iS nOt iN dEcLINe!

Lol the cope is off the charts. Bowled 6 overs.

India has 5 world class bowlers so someone will take wickets at some time.

And I'm glad you are following Indian matches so closely.

 

[saimayubera]

Wasim’s avg vs top countries during his era :

Aus - 24
England - 28
Ind - 27
WI - 26
SA - 39

Imran Khan’s avg :-

WI - 25
Aus - 28
NZ - 26
Eng - 24
Ind - 28

Both were mostly good everywhere but never stood out anywhere away from home vs a top nation, like Hadlee, Bumrah and Ambrose did in Australia.

IK, Wasim, Donald, Cummins and Rabada have been balanced test bowler, being fair weather bowlers who did well vs top teams but didn’t stand out vs any top team like Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Ambrose and Bumrah did. One may include batting for IK and then his case strengthens as he has won player of series in various countries. At the same time, Bumrah would need longevity/ durability which others have and Bumrah lags in that aspect.

This + Steyn are tier 1.

Steyn also has been very good everywhere. Slightly higher averages but flatter era. He has lots of match winning 5fers away vs strong countries.

 

[kron]

Lol the cope is off the charts. Bowled 6 overs.

India has 5 world class bowlers so someone will take wickets at some time.

And I'm glad you are following Indian matches so closely.

Guy has gone senile man. Seriously something is wrong with him. So desperately hoping to see him fail lmao.

Just sit back relax and enjoy bumrah while he still plays is all I can say to him.

If he quits odi which is a dead format and I hope he does, he can play for 5 6 more years easily.

 

[TheSultan]

Lol the cope is off the charts. Bowled 6 overs.

India has 5 world class bowlers so someone will take wickets at some time.

And I'm glad you are following Indian matches so closely.

Averaged 19 in the test match lel
And even if he were in decline right. He would still be better than Wasim and Imran.

Goat Asian pace bowler of all time.

Already has helped India win more games vs top 4 teams.

So hold on, you are happy with a 19 average even if it’s ineffective?

The reality is, the captain didn’t trust him to take wickets and chose other options

Goes to show stats are nothing without knowledge. I win the internet again!

 

[TheSultan]

Beautiful bowling by Siraj though - real world class quality. Respect.

If only his countrymen appreciated him (sigh)

 

[Ab Fan]

Top 5 Asian pacers since 2000:-

1. Jasprit Bumrah
2. Mohammad Shami
3. Chaminda Vaas
4. Mohammad Siraj
5. Lasith Malinga

Fast bowling ruled by Indian and Sri Lankan pacers as far as Asian cricket is concerned.

 

[saimayubera]

So hold on, you are happy with a 19 average even if it’s ineffective?

The reality is, the captain didn’t trust him to take wickets and chose other options

Goes to show stats are nothing without knowledge. I win the internet again!

19 average is not ineffective.

Keep coping away. Pakistan fast bowling is not going to return. Even Pakistani establishment knows this so going for Bangladesh level pitch tactics.

 

[saimayubera]

Beautiful bowling by Siraj though - real world class quality. Respect.

If only his countrymen appreciated him (sigh)

Bumrah is Indian. Siraj is Indian. As is Shami.

 

[kron]

This + Steyn are tier 1.

Steyn also has been very good everywhere. Slightly higher averages but flatter era. He has lots of match winning 5fers away vs strong countries.

Steyn was poor in pak, England average and average in Aus too though. Albeit slightly flatter pitches in Aus at the time? Not really cause Johnson ripped through SA back then. I think that is a myth.

 

[kron]

Beautiful bowling by Siraj though - real world class quality. Respect.

If only his countrymen appreciated him (sigh)

Every icc title India won happened when guess what? When siraj dint play

And I love siraj. Beast test bowler. Better than any Hazlewood imo and Starc. Only behind big 3 and maybe couple of others.

 

[kron]

So hold on, you are happy with a 19 average even if it’s ineffective?

The reality is, the captain didn’t trust him to take wickets and chose other options

Goes to show stats are nothing without knowledge. I win the internet again!

You never won. What is the point of a gun without any ammo?

That is your situation as always.
Goatrah is in a class of his own.

Siraj too is an elite bowler who gets underrated

 

[kron]

Top 5 Asian pacers since 2000:-

1. Jasprit Bumrah
2. Mohammad Shami
3. Chaminda Vaas
4. Mohammad Siraj
5. Lasith Malinga

Fast bowling ruled by Indian and Sri Lankan pacers as far as Asian cricket is concerned.

Siraj above vaas anyday. Vaas did nothing bs big teams.

Infact I will go one step further. Shami is better than Waqar. And siraj himself is not far off

 

[saimayubera]

Steyn was poor in pak, England average and average in Aus too though. Albeit slightly flatter pitches in Aus at the time? Not really cause Johnson ripped through SA back then. I think that is a myth.

Naah he was good in Pak/Aus. Even England okay. Like I said, just flatter pitches in that era.

He has match/series winning 5fers in all three.

 

[kron]

Naah he was good in Pak/Aus. Even England okay. Like I said, just flatter pitches in that era.

He has match/series winning 5fers in all three.

England he was average tbh
I watched all those games

In Australia he did ok not that great. Not bumrah level. But he did pretty good.

Was poor in pak though although it was dead tracks that offered nothing so don’t blame him too much.

But yea he is in my top 6 all time and above Wasim and Imran. On par with bumrah. Just below Ambrose I feel. But can swap too. No issues to there

 

[TheSultan]

19 average is not ineffective.

Keep coping away. Pakistan fast bowling is not going to return. Even Pakistani establishment knows this so going for Bangladesh level pitch tactics.

If you want to keep coping in delusion, I can’t help you.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Beautiful bowling by Siraj though - real world class quality. Respect.

If only his countrymen appreciated him (sigh)

Usually ICC rankings captures decline

 

[TheSultan]

Usually ICC rankings captures decline

and Saim Ayub is the best t20 allrounder in the world.

You guys are clutching. Hes in decline. You can accept it or not. Time will prove it.

 

[saimayubera]

and Saim Ayub is the best t20 allrounder in the world.

You guys are clutching. Hes in decline. You can accept it or not. Time will prove it.

tests have full strength teams. t20s do not.

 

[TheSultan]

tests have full strength teams. t20s do not.

It’s fine, you believe he’s still at his best. This is the best? And you’re telling me that is an ATG?

You lose either way

 

[saimayubera]

It’s fine, you believe he’s still at his best. This is the best? And you’re telling me that is an ATG?

You lose either way

Yes to both questions.

 

[jnaveen1980]

and Saim Ayub is the best t20 allrounder in the world.

You guys are clutching. Hes in decline. You can accept it or not. Time will prove it.

Nobody cares about all rounder ranking. Test bowler ranking is as good as it comes. Otherwise every tom dick and harry would be no.1 test bowler.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

He can still play 35 more Tests if managed wisely...but surely he will retire before Siraj

 

[TheSultan]

Nobody cares about all rounder ranking. Test bowler ranking is as good as it comes. Otherwise every tom dick and harry would be no.1 test bowler.

What about test batting rankings. Sachin never surpassed 900 points which most of the greats of the game did.

Sorry for providing a difficult conundrum, but you walked in to that.

 

[jnaveen1980]

What about test batting rankings. Sachin never surpassed 900 points which most of the greats of the game did.

Sorry for providing a difficult conundrum, but you walked in to that.

I am talking about current ranking where you say he declined. If someone declines it captues. Infact ICC ranking punishes players missing tests. Inspite of missing tests he is comfortably ahead of others. You made a statement he is declining. He took a while after hsi first injury to get things right. So there is going to be a lull after SCG break. Even during lull period he has been amazing.

 

[kron]

He can still play 35 more Tests if managed wisely...but surely he will retire before Siraj

He will play 22 tests max. But that is plenty enough for the goat

 

[Ab Fan]

Clearly a few folks are having tough time already accepting the fact that Bumrah might just surpass all their great fast bowlers- the only department where they had more success than India.

 

[kron]

Clearly a few folks are having tough time already accepting the fact that Bumrah might just surpass all their great fast bowlers- the only department where they had more success than India.

Not might

He already passed

 

[BouncerGuy]

I think bumrah needs to stay away from T20s to prolong his career in Test format.. 30 more game I think Maybe 35...

 

[saimayubera]

What about test batting rankings. Sachin never surpassed 900 points which most of the greats of the game did.

Sorry for providing a difficult conundrum, but you walked in to that.

Such a sad life putting things to "walk into".

Sachin was a consistent batsman but never had the peaks of say a Lara or even a Kohli (937 peak). Also didn't play long series at his peak in the 90s. Still reached 898 which is only 2 points off and was no 1 ranked batsman multiple times in his career.

Pakistan's greatest test batsmen Miandad (885) and Younis (880) had lower peaks.

Now here is what you have "walked into".

How come "greatest fast bowler" of all time Wasim Akram only had a peak of 830 and was never ranked no 1? Sachin at least reached almost 900. This guy was way off. Makhaya Ntini/Steve Harmison type players have had higher peaks.

 

[Ab Fan]

Such a sad life putting things to "walk into".

Sachin was a consistent batsman but never had the peaks of say a Lara or even a Kohli (937 peak). Also didn't play long series at his peak in the 90s. Still reached 898 which is only 2 points off and was no 1 ranked batsman multiple times in his career.

Pakistan's greatest test batsmen Miandad (885) and Younis (880) had lower peaks.

Now here is what you have "walked into".

How come "greatest fast bowler" of all time Wasim Akram only had a peak of 830 and was never ranked no 1? Sachin at least reached almost 900. This guy was way off. Makhaya Ntini/Steve Harmison type players have had higher peaks.

That’s a finisher. Wasim was never really no.1 test bowler of all time and his peak rating was just 840.

 

[Ab Fan]

Not might

He already passed

That’s even more embarrassing for them. How will they cope with it?

 

[saimayubera]

That’s a finisher. Wasim was never really no.1 test bowler of all time and his peak rating was just 840.

830

 

[kron]

830

that rating lmao

Don’t even utter the name bumrah ever again. Not on the same wavelength.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

No matter what the ratings say, Akram was a giant of the game. His spell in the '92 final was outstanding! Those 2 inswingers to Alan Lamb and Lewis were extraordinary.

Even in 2003, in the India-Pak game, when he was well past his prime, he still touched 140Ks. No need to bring him down to prop someone else up.

A true gentleman off the field as well. Even though he was fiercely competitive on it.

 

[Hitman]

No matter what the ratings say, Akram was a giant of the game. His spell in the '92 final was outstanding! Those 2 inswingers to Alan Lamb and Lewis were extraordinary.

Even in 2003, in the India-Pak game, when he was well past his prime, he still touched 140Ks. No need to bring him down to prop someone else up.

A true gentleman off the field as well. Even though he was fiercely competitive on it.

Who is bringing him down? It's a fact that he was never rated the #1 ICC Test bowler at any point of his career.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Who is bringing him down? It's a fact that he was never rated the #1 ICC Test bowler at any point of his career.

Akram was always a better ODI bowler than a Test bowler. And he was rated #1 in ODIs.

 

[Hitman]

Akram was always a better ODI bowler than a Test bowler. And he was rated #1 in ODIs.

In Jeff Thompson’s words, ODI cricket is a joke. An idiot can take wickets in ODI cricket..​

 

[bunda_bindaas]

In Jeff Thompson’s words, ODI cricket is a joke. An idiot can take wickets in ODI cricket..​

Jeff Thompson would look like a bigger fool than anyone else on the planet, if he also says that it's a joke to take 500 wickets in ODIs!

 

[RyanRyan10]

In Jeff Thompson’s words, ODI cricket is a joke. An idiot can take wickets in ODI cricket..​

Plis staph. You are yourself a Wasim Akram fan going by your posts from the past. What happened now?

 

[BouncerGuy]

THIS IS NOT A COMPARISON THREAD... TALK ABOUT BUMRAH AND HIS TEST MATCH NUMBERS ONLY

 

[harshjoshi87]

@BouncerGuy Bumrah won't give up on T20Is, there is an opportunity to win gold medal in Olympics 2028.

 

[saimayubera]

No matter what the ratings say, Akram was a giant of the game. His spell in the '92 final was outstanding! Those 2 inswingers to Alan Lamb and Lewis were extraordinary.

Even in 2003, in the India-Pak game, when he was well past his prime, he still touched 140Ks. No need to bring him down to prop someone else up.

A true gentleman off the field as well. Even though he was fiercely competitive on it.

Wasim is prolly the ODI fast bowling GOAT and that kind of influences his perceptions amongst desi fans.

He never was a tier 1 test ATG fast bowler (Hadlee, Marshall, Ambrose, McGrath, Steyn).

Bumrah is the T20 fast bowling GOAT and is on his way to be a tier 1 test ATG.

 

[kron]

No matter what the ratings say, Akram was a giant of the game. His spell in the '92 final was outstanding! Those 2 inswingers to Alan Lamb and Lewis were extraordinary.

Even in 2003, in the India-Pak game, when he was well past his prime, he still touched 140Ks. No need to bring him down to prop someone else up.

A true gentleman off the field as well. Even though he was fiercely competitive on it.

Don’t conflate odi with tests

ODI yes he was a true great

Tests he was a notch below bumrah and imran