How to beat this team India?

[waqar goraya]

Pakistan got blanked 5-0 in NZ though. India is so far dominating NZ handily.

Pakistan are a very inconsistent side, an anomaly. But after whitewashing Pakistan NZ were beaten by England and then again they almost lost the series against Pakistan in UAE where Pakistan have not won anything in this format. If not for rain that could have been Pakistan's first series win over NZ in quite some time.

 

[jnaveen1980]

As all teams have regressed somewhat in the batting department India has also regressed.

Consider the past 5,6,7 of Indian line up

Inform Dhoni, Yuvraj, Raina

Now we don't have a decent no.4


Great teams will carry no passengers. India carries a few of them. Let us assume in a knock out India is 30/3 with Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit gone. Pretty much the game is gone for India. Back then we had another set of players who could resurrect the innings. Even the great Australian side in 2003 world cup suffered 3 batting collapses. Once Symonds saved from 146/5.. Against New zealand and England Bevan/Bichel saved them. Against NZ they were 84/7 . Bichel made 64 at no.9. You cannot expect this team to come back. Things have to go near perfect for them every time.

 

[Sir Alex]

The irony of the above post is that MS Dhoni has scored 51, 55*, 87* and 48* in the last 4 innings he's played leading India to three wins. If that is out of form what is in form ?

Just dire stuff really from some Indian fans regarding middle order muddle.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The irony of the above post is that MS Dhoni has scored 51, 55*, 87* and 48* in the last 4 innings he's played leading India to three wins. If that is out of form what is in form ?

Just dire stuff really from some Indian fans regarding middle order muddle.

Just take a look at Dhoni's performance in the last 3 years. These knocks were not entirely very good "knocks" as you try to portray. Most of the time he wasted so many balls. He still has the ability to protect his wicket. He cannot accelerate for sh*t. I would say atleast 3 of those knocks were made to look by other btasmen. Once Kohli, Once Karthik, Once Jadhav. His slow batting resulted in Kohli's dismissal once.

 

[Sir Alex]

I would take present form above three years back. Dhoni is batting the way India needs him to currently and is excellent with the gloves as well. Most importantly he has a brilliant tactical brain and is currently irreplaceable.

They might or might not be eye catching knocks but they win matches for India. Kohli has underperformed by his lofty standards in the last few matches and Dhoni has stepped up. That's what is expected of the middle order.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Excellent with gloves? seriously lol The drops, fumbles, missing of byes. ONly thing that he does good is stumping.

 

[Sir Alex]

As to Rayudu, he's averaging 47.6 at a strike rate of 88 since 2018. For comparison Kane Williamson is averaging 47 at a strike rate of 80 in the same period and Babar Azam 40 at 81.

This Rayudu hate is beyond funny now.

 

[Sir Alex]

Excellent with gloves? seriously lol The drops, fumbles, missing of byes. ONly thing that he does good is stumping.

He's not perfect so isn't any keeper in the world. His stumping in the last match however cannot matched by anyone in the game right now.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Watching match live is not the same as watching match on cricinfo statistic page.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Pakistan are a very inconsistent side, an anomaly. But after whitewashing Pakistan NZ were beaten by England and then again they almost lost the series against Pakistan in UAE where Pakistan have not won anything in this format. If not for rain that could have been Pakistan's first series win over NZ in quite some time.

NZ still won though. And England is the best ODI team in the world, losing to them is not an issue even for India (who's B side would arguably beat Pakistan in a series).

 

[Sir Alex]

Watching match live is not the same as watching match on cricinfo statistic page.

Scores win matches.. Not looking good on tv

 

[jnaveen1980]

Scores win matches.. Not looking good on tv

"NOt because of" those knocks India won. more like "Inspite of those knocks" India won thanks to outstanding bowling unit and consistent top order. We are talking about top order collapse where top 3 goes cheaply. We all know what will happen.

 

[Sir Alex]

"NOt because of" those knocks India won. more like "Inspite of those knocks" India won thanks to outstanding bowling unit and consistent top order. We are talking about top order collapse where top 3 goes cheaply. We all know what will happen.

So who top scored in the jus concluded Aus series for India again ?

 

[xricket]

Indian batsmen fear pain and injury the least.

Must not be human, aren't they?

 

[jnaveen1980]

So who top scored in the jus concluded Aus series for India again ?

Things were made easy for his slow dot ball filled innings.

 

[Napa]

Must not be human, aren't they?

They are human... but the way it works is some humans fear pain less than others

Seriously, of the Indian batsmen in the team, I can't think of one who I would say is scared of being hit.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Let us assume in a knock out India is 30/3 with Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit gone. Pretty much the game is gone for India.

If we either have to chase 250-260 or score that much in the first innings, we're still in the game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If we either have to chase 250-260 or score that much in the first innings, we're still in the game.

Rayudu, Dhoni, Jadhav ? I have no real confidence.

 

[xricket]

They are human... but the way it works is some humans fear pain less than others

Seriously, of the Indian batsmen in the team, I can't think of one who I would say is scared of being hit.

May be they haven't been hurt properly, or should I say tested by the likes of shoaib akhtar. I remember, Ganguly being hit by Shoaib. And since most of the bilateral series were played in subcontinent situation, where bounce isn't lethal, they probably had no factor of fear. It's only human to fear from being hit. And even if a batsman some how convince himself he doesn't have to fear, this whole convincing sometimes affect the concentration and that's how you pick wickets

 

[Napa]

May be they haven't been hurt properly, or should I say tested by the likes of shoaib akhtar. I remember, Ganguly being hit by Shoaib. And since most of the bilateral series were played in subcontinent situation, where bounce isn't lethal, they probably had no factor of fear. It's only human to fear from being hit. And even if a batsman some how convince himself he doesn't have to fear, this whole convincing sometimes affect the concentration and that's how you pick wickets

What was Ganguly's response to being hit?

Mohinder Amarnath was retired hurt bleeding after being hit by Marshall on the head (they did not wear helmets then). When he came back, Marshall bowled another bouncer and the indomitable Amarnath did not duck, instead he stood him ground and hooked him to the boundary.

I agree it is human to fear being hit, but some players to have less fear.

 

[rhony]

May be they haven't been hurt properly, or should I say tested by the likes of shoaib akhtar. I remember, Ganguly being hit by Shoaib. And since most of the bilateral series were played in subcontinent situation, where bounce isn't lethal, they probably had no factor of fear. It's only human to fear from being hit. And even if a batsman some how convince himself he doesn't have to fear, this whole convincing sometimes affect the concentration and that's how you pick wickets

The faster the ball is to Rohit or Kohli, the faster it reaches the fence

 

[yuvi]

What was Ganguly's response to being hit?

Mohinder Amarnath was retired hurt bleeding after being hit by Marshall on the head (they did not wear helmets then). When he came back, Marshall bowled another bouncer and the indomitable Amarnath did not duck, instead he stood him ground and hooked him to the boundary.

I agree it is human to fear being hit, but some players to have less fear.

Ganguly was scared of the short ball. That was his weakness. That doesn't mean every other batsman is same.

 

[xricket]

The faster the ball is to Rohit or Kohli, the faster it reaches the fence

Well, it would be impossible to control a well directed bouncer. You can pick wickets and play it to restrict them back in their crease, on back foot.

 

[xricket]

Ganguly was scared of the short ball. That was his weakness. That doesn't mean every other batsman is same.

Yuvraj got out several times to short ball. So, did Dhoni. Kohli & Rohit will too but the pace has to be around 150 and the bouncer has to be directed at their body, just above chest, or above shoulders. Would be impossible to free their arms.

 

[xricket]

Guys, even the likes of ponting, who i believe the best natural player of hook shot, got out to shoaib at that pace.

 

[yuvi]

Yuvraj got out several times to short ball. So, did Dhoni. Kohli & Rohit will too but the pace has to be around 150 and the bouncer has to be directed at their body, just above chest, or above shoulders. Would be impossible to free their arms.

A suprise quick bouncer can get them on few occasions like any batsman in the world. But bowling consistently short won't work against Kohli, Sharma in LOIs. So it can't be a strategy to keep them quiet.

 

[xricket]

Also, bouncer isn't being used properly as it should be. The delivery may not pick you wickets, but it will certainly put batsman more in crease, and then a full fast delivery can bring in lbw and bowled in play, as batsman get stuck in crease. it's old school, really and i seldom see players doing so in modern cricket. Australia did it beautifully with johnson against england, in ashes. Get short leg in, and aim at that body, without room

 

[xricket]

A suprise quick bouncer can get them on few occasions like any batsman in the world. But bowling consistently short won't work against Kohli, Sharma in LOIs. So it can't be a strategy to keep them quiet.

Bouncer should be used as a surprise, but on consistent basis, so that batsman know it's coming at any moment. This does take a toll in terms of concentration. Consistently bowling short, can also help the cause if well directed

 

[RamLakhan]

I dont believe in this concept of B or C side. Every side play their best XI unless of course you are experimenting. And one or two players left out from a side doesnt mean its a C side. India didnt play Kohli in Asia cup, they still won. They didnt play Bumrah here and still winning.

Don't you know the simple logic on PP that even if India rest 15 out of their 1st choice players from the squad, they are still playing their best ever all time XI team! And opposition team even if they play their best XI side, its still one of those off days or umpires or luck has gone India's side!

 

[jnaveen1980]

A suprise quick bouncer can get them on few occasions like any batsman in the world. But bowling consistently short won't work against Kohli, Sharma in LOIs. So it can't be a strategy to keep them quiet.

Only guy who can look threatened against bouncers is Raina. Rayudu can be bounced out as well. Other than that India doesn't have players who are scared of bouncers. Dhawan can get into awkward position. But that was due to over-confidence.

 

[rhony]

Well, it would be impossible to control a well directed bouncer. You can pick wickets and play it to restrict them back in their crease, on back foot.

You can only bowl 2 bouncers per over. It wont be well directed every time. For those times, when its well directed, they will duck or smash. This doesnt impact much tbh

 

[yuvi]

Bouncer should be used as a surprise, but on consistent basis, so that batsman know it's coming at any moment. This does take a toll in terms of concentration. Consistently bowling short, can also help the cause if well directed

This can work against batsmen who are not good puller/ hookers like Pakistani batsmen or if the pitch is uneven. But on flat LOI pitches I don't think it will work against India. Thats why Ferguson is not making much impact against India who used this tactic succesfully against Pakistan.

 

[xricket]

You can only bowl 2 bouncers per over. It wont be well directed every time. For those times, when its well directed, they will duck or smash. This doesnt impact much tbh

It has to be well directed, at their body, otherwise there is no point. Might as well give them width so that they can score easily. And even if they are bowled at 145, they would matter, but short leg has to be there, and it has to be directed just above chest. Normally, bowlers bowl bouncers just above waste, which are being pulled easily.

I reiterate, the bouncer wont pick wickets itself, but it will take a toll in concentration, which will add to the chance of you picking up a wicket

 

[xricket]

This can work against batsmen who are not good puller/ hookers like Pakistani batsmen or if the pitch is uneven. But on flat LOI pitches I don't think it will work against India. Thats why Ferguson is not making much impact against India who used this tactic succesfully against Pakistan.

Pakistanis are the worst players of pull shot or hook shot. You can expect them to get out on a wide bouncer, which others players would happily leave 9 out of 10 times.

 

[rhony]

It has to be well directed, at their body, otherwise there is no point. Might as well give them width so that they can score easily. And even if they are bowled at 145, they would matter, but short leg has to be there, and it has to be directed just above chest. Normally, bowlers bowl bouncers just above waste, which are being pulled easily.

I reiterate, the bouncer wont pick wickets itself, but it will take a toll in concentration, which will add to the chance of you picking up a wicket

Yes. You are probably talking about a Shane Bond type of bowler. He had impeccable line and length at pace. Rabada probably comes close and Indians handled him well in SA. Pak batsmen are handling him well too. ODI pitches typically are flat and it adds to the ineffectiveness

 

[yuvi]

Yes. You are probably talking about a Shane Bond type of bowler. He had impeccable line and length at pace. Rabada probably comes close and Indians handled him well in SA. Pak batsmen are handling him well too. ODI pitches typically are flat and it adds to the ineffectiveness

Rabada's pace is down at the moment. Not sure it's deliberate or fitness issue. He was bowling much quicker against India and Aus.

 

[xricket]

He also got hit by Johnson, while playing a bouncer at the start of the innings. A chance was put down in slips, and edges flyed through slip cordon.

 

[xricket]

Rabada's pace is down at the moment. Not sure it's deliberate or fitness issue. He was bowling much quicker against India and Aus.

Rabada is bowling in 145+. How fast he usually bowl?

 

[yuvi]

Rabada is bowling in 145+. How fast he usually bowl?

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I watched few of his spells against recently Pak most ball were 138-139. Haven't seen everythinf though. Against India and Aus he was 140+ all the time, hitting 150 occasionally.

 

[yuvi]

He also got hit by Johnson, while playing a bouncer at the start of the innings. A chance was put down in slips, and edges flyed through slip cordon.

Yeah you can find videoos of Viv Richards getting hit also. What's the point?

 

[rhony]

He also got hit by Johnson, while playing a bouncer at the start of the innings. A chance was put down in slips, and edges flyed through slip cordon.

He smashed Johnson's bouncers all tour. That's why I say, it's not that effective

 

[jnaveen1980]

He also got hit by Johnson, while playing a bouncer at the start of the innings. A chance was put down in slips, and edges flyed through slip cordon.

Did you follow the series. Entire channel 9 commies were raving about Kohli and Rahne so much so that they had not seen anyone playing bouncers this well in Australia in a long time. They thrashed every bouncer with utter disdain. Anyone can get out to bouncer, yorker, cutter. That doesn't mean they all have weakness against those balls. It is all about what your natural reaction. If your reaction is more often than not is good , you don't have a weakness. If you are talking about Raina i agree. Kohli, Rohit, Rahne three of the best pullers i have seen.

 

[BDfanforever]

India should now be favorite to win the World Cup followed by England at distant second.

 

[Rightarmfast]

May be they haven't been hurt properly, or should I say tested by the likes of shoaib akhtar. I remember, Ganguly being hit by Shoaib. And since most of the bilateral series were played in subcontinent situation, where bounce isn't lethal, they probably had no factor of fear. It's only human to fear from being hit. And even if a batsman some how convince himself he doesn't have to fear, this whole convincing sometimes affect the concentration and that's how you pick wickets

Lolz, the same shoaib akhtar has an average of close to 27 against India in ODI's with a total of 41 wickets in 28 matches. Not earth shattering I would say. And lets face it, had it not bee for his performance in his first series in Sharjah against India and in his first year, his average would be worse than this.

In Test cricket, your fiery fast bowler averages a grand 34.50 against India I guess he desperately needed your fast bowling gyaan and coaching

 

[warcry]

people have short memories on this website.
people forget that it is england, not india, that is the team to beat.
england is ranked no 1 in odis, not india.

i know that india has won alot of odi games on the trot recently, therefore i reach the following conclusion:

india have peaked far too early to be seriously considered as tournament favorites

 

[xricket]

Lolz, the same shoaib akhtar has an average of close to 27 against India in ODI's with a total of 41 wickets in 28 matches. Not earth shattering I would say. And lets face it, had it not bee for his performance in his first series in Sharjah against India and in his first year, his average would be worse than this.

In Test cricket, your fiery fast bowler averages a grand 34.50 against India I guess he desperately needed your fast bowling gyaan and coaching

Average of 27 on subcontinent for a fast bowler and that too against mighty indian side with little master and the wall? i would take this any day.

 

[xricket]

Did you follow the series. Entire channel 9 commies were raving about Kohli and Rahne so much so that they had not seen anyone playing bouncers this well in Australia in a long time. They thrashed every bouncer with utter disdain. Anyone can get out to bouncer, yorker, cutter. That doesn't mean they all have weakness against those balls. It is all about what your natural reaction. If your reaction is more often than not is good , you don't have a weakness. If you are talking about Raina i agree. Kohli, Rohit, Rahne three of the best pullers i have seen.

I didn't say they have weakness. Did england have weakness against short pitch stuff johnson did in their home ashes? No, they didn't. It's more of an approach, rather than something which actually gets you the wicket. It's how you show dominance as a fast bowler, and then set these batsmen up for how you want them to get out, as these batsmen then get stuck in their crease more often than not.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Average of 27 on subcontinent for a fast bowler and that too against mighty indian side with little master and the wall? i would take this any day.

Good! But dont go about claiming how unplayable he was. Because he was hammered and tonked way too many times by the Indians!

 

[Bhaijaan]

India's batting has regressed for sure compared to Dhoni's 2008-2011 Indian team capable of pounding 400 plus totals.

They have Kohli and Sharma in unreal form and supported effectively by Gabbar but theres not much after top 3. India has among the weakest middle lower middle orders in ODI cricket.

India's bowling though is good now. Its their best ever bowling unit and thats what nakes this team great. Dhoni's team could pound 350 runs and still lose occassionally. This team will defend with ease.

 

[yuvi]

I didn't say they have weakness. Did england have weakness against short pitch stuff johnson did in their home ashes? No, they didn't. It's more of an approach, rather than something which actually gets you the wicket. It's how you show dominance as a fast bowler, and then set these batsmen up for how you want them to get out, as these batsmen then get stuck in their crease more often than not.

ODIs and tests are very different. Same approach won't work in ODIs.

 

[Babbar]

India's batting has regressed for sure compared to Dhoni's 2008-2011 Indian team capable of pounding 400 plus totals.

They have Kohli and Sharma in unreal form and supported effectively by Gabbar but theres not much after top 3. India has among the weakest middle lower middle orders in ODI cricket.

India's bowling though is good now. Its their best ever bowling unit and thats what nakes this team great. Dhoni's team could pound 350 runs and still lose occassionally. This team will defend with ease.

India has Rayudu, Jadhav, Karthik, Dhoni and then Pandya! Any country, except Pakistan that has much better batters, would love to have this middle order that has an average of 40+ and Sr of 80 across 5 players in ODI.

If we are looking for a Middle order with average of 60 and SR of 150, that this is definitely not it.

 

[NauV]

Very good team!

Along with England are far ahead of the rest of the pack . .

The only weakness . . actually, not even weakness (because it's probably at par with the rest of the teams) is if you can get them 2 down quickly . . Their top 3 are incredible . . and they seldom fail . . If I remember correctly, in the champions trophy 2017, their top 3 did the work almost the entire tournament . . and then one day they failed, they couldn't get up . .

So for me, the only chance teams have is to get to number 4 and below in the line up quickly . . obviously, goes without saying taht you have to take care of your own batting first which is also not easy with India's strong bowling line up . .

So yea . . in short! Very tough team to beat! Only chance is to get into the middle order quickly . .

 

[TheRock]

Some liabilities are now firmly a part of the Indian XI which the other teams can exploit during world cup

This post (from another thread) answers OP's question. No further discussion required on this topic, IMO

 

[Napa]

May be they haven't been hurt properly, or should I say tested by the likes of shoaib akhtar. I remember, Ganguly being hit by Shoaib. And since most of the bilateral series were played in subcontinent situation, where bounce isn't lethal, they probably had no factor of fear. It's only human to fear from being hit. And even if a batsman some how convince himself he doesn't have to fear, this whole convincing sometimes affect the concentration and that's how you pick wickets

Anyway, short pitch bowling directed at the chest or throat is not a novel strategy. Pujara, Kohli, Agarwal, Pant, Rahul etc. faced quite a bit of that in WI, SA, Eng and Aus.

 

[xricket]

Anyway, short pitch bowling directed at the chest or throat is not a novel strategy. Pujara, Kohli, Agarwal, Pant, Rahul etc. faced quite a bit of that in WI, SA, Eng and Aus.

It's not a novel approach. But I do hope it gets revived by bowlers in shorter format. Would love some short pitch stuff directed at the body, with catching at short leg, leg slip/ short fine leg & square leg. This should be made tempting as well, so that batsman can pull you if he were feeling confident. Oh, and with 3 catching at slip and a gully, and a wide gap through covers for drive temptation, especially with the new ball at least, should be done at this level. As, when the feet get stuck, that they do, while there is drive temptation, it can lead to dismissals more often than not.

Aussies did this to some extent for some time in their 2000s

 

[xricket]

Short pitch bowling, with full length asking for drives. That's what I want to see. Modern day captains are too defensive.

 

[Tyler Durden]

India in SA - Done and dusted
Kohli-less India in Asia cup against Associates: Pak, Bangla and Afg - Done and dusted
India in Aus - Done and dusted
Burmah-less India in NZ - Done and dusted
What next? World Cup 19? That's ours too!

 

[rhony]

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Short pitch bowling, with full length asking for drives. That's what I want to see. Modern day captains are too defensive.

Tests or ODIs?

 

[xricket]

Tests or ODIs?

In tests, throughout (or at least 20 odd overs with new ball and then may be send the fine leg to deep square) while quick bowls. In ODIs, for at least 10 overs during power play when quicks operate. (would come down to 5 each with two new balls)

 

[barah_admi]

Performances in NZ don't count? Only the ones in UAE count?

He did not say that, did he? He ismply said that a much weaker Pakistani side did well against NZ, so beating them for India ,ranked far higher with better players, is not that big of a deal.

You should really decide to read the posts you respond to.

 

[Sachin136]

He did not say that, did he? He ismply said that a much weaker Pakistani side did well against NZ, so beating them for India ,ranked far higher with better players, is not that big of a deal.

You should really decide to read the posts you respond to.

Pakistan drew the ODI home series 1-1 against NZ, and lost the test series 1-2.

Pakistan lost the ODI series in NZ 0-5. India have won the series at 3-0 in NZ.

Why are you comparing Pakistan's performance at home with India's performance in NZ? Why not compare Pakistan's performance in NZ with India?

 

[jagatk]

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Short pitch bowling, with full length asking for drives. That's what I want to see. Modern day captains are too defensive.

If this happens in an odi where it isn't swinging much which is what will happen in england, India's openers will destroy the bowling lineup, we will be 100-120 for 0 come the 10th over.

 

[urnotserious]

Peak shoaib was above 150, at least 4 out of 6 deliveries. Ferguson doesn't have what it takes. Also, there is a trick to bowling short ball, you don't bowl at chest high. You bowl it above shoulders, at this high pace, and the batsman wont be able to control it.

So those 5 games he played?

Shoaib was the most unfittest of fast bowlers around, he gained weight once he hit 25. Could not sustain 150 for more than 2 deliveries per match after that.

You can bring back Shoaib, Wasim, Waqar and Imran at his peak and this India team will give them nightmares.

 

[cricketworm]

I think our biggest strength is our bowling. Jasprit, Shami, Bhuvi, Kuldeep, Chahal, Hardik, and Jadhav. Pretty talented bunch. Our bowling combo as good as our opening trio.

Only way we can be beaten is by taking pitch out of question. Make a super flat pitch and hope two of top 3 gets out early.

 

[xricket]

If this happens in an odi where it isn't swinging much which is what will happen in england, India's openers will destroy the bowling lineup, we will be 100-120 for 0 come the 10th over.

Indian openers, or infact any openers should be welcome to score runs, with this field, that's the main reason, to invite them to play shots, while bowlers bowl attacks the body of batsman with short pitch stuff and then tries to catch their feet stuck as they bowl full, which batsmen think of a scoring opportunity. Swing is just a bonus. but speed & small bit of accuracy is the key. 145+ at the very least. 150 ideal

 

[xricket]

So those 5 games he played?

Shoaib was the most unfittest of fast bowlers around, he gained weight once he hit 25. Could not sustain 150 for more than 2 deliveries per match after that.

You can bring back Shoaib, Wasim, Waqar and Imran at his peak and this India team will give them nightmares.

lol. peak shoaib lasted more than 5 games, and he delivered close to 160 as well. 150 was piece of cake, day in day out for an average shoaib.

 

[xricket]

Shoaib akhtar, doing it right, on dead track:

 

[AMSS]

Indian openers, or infact any openers should be welcome to score runs, with this field, that's the main reason, to invite them to play shots, while bowlers bowl attacks the body of batsman with short pitch stuff and then tries to catch their feet stuck as they bowl full, which batsmen think of a scoring opportunity. Swing is just a bonus. but speed & small bit of accuracy is the key. 145+ at the very least. 150 ideal

The bouncer followed by a fuller ball is an OLD trick reserved for tailenders. Please disabuse yourself of the notion it would be some kind of fresh new tactic to deal with accomplished top order batsmen.

 

[xricket]

Raw pace ~150 with bit accuracy can easily dismantle any team in the world, especially this indian batting line up.

 

[xricket]

The bouncer followed by a fuller ball is an OLD trick reserved for tailenders. Please disabuse yourself of the notion it would be some kind of fresh new tactic to deal with accomplished top order batsmen.

Lol, it works for top order as well. There are many examples where this worked. Especially, the success of johnson against england during ashes

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/41859201

 

[AMSS]

Lol, it works for top order as well. There are many examples where this worked. Especially, the success of johnson against england during ashes

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/41859201

It might work in patches but it will absolutely not work as the fulcrum or main strategy of a team. Your cricketing understanding is not upto the mark if you think a 2 card trick like this can win you test matches.

Even less chance of success in ODIs with strict bouncer rules.

 

[xricket]

It might work in patches but it will absolutely not work as the fulcrum or main strategy of a team. Your cricketing understanding is not upto the mark if you think a 2 card trick like this can win you test matches.

Even less chance of success in ODIs with strict bouncer rules.

Dude, england were red hot before that series. Just read the article and see for yourself. The greats of the game, have always emphasized the use of well directed short pitch deliveries and have benefited from that. My cricketing understanding doesn't need your seal of approval.

 

[xricket]

Johnson was 'my executioner': Trott

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/eng...-trott-mitchell-johnson-gabba-test/2016-09-23

This guy was the wall of England. I know how he could bat all day as Amir and Asif prodded for wicket, with his great trigger/shuffle movement to negate swing, at 140kph

 

[xricket]

I just loved how he owned indians, especially in their own country! For me, he is a hero, as he had the very attitude a fast bowler should possess.

 

[barah_admi]

Pakistan drew the ODI home series 1-1 against NZ, and lost the test series 1-2.

Pakistan lost the ODI series in NZ 0-5. India have won the series at 3-0 in NZ.

Why are you comparing Pakistan's performance at home with India's performance in NZ? Why not compare Pakistan's performance in NZ with India?

It's not my comparison actually.

 

[Hitman]

Lol. I just loved how he owned indians, especially in their own country! For me, he is a hero, as he had the very attitude a fast bowler should possess.

That's extremely true. Here are his numbers against India -

Tests -

vs India - 34.50 (ave); SR - 61.9

ODI's -

vs India - 26.78 (ave)


I'm pretty sure Mcgrath would be sooooo jealous of those numbers.

 

[Babbar]

Shoaib was in 140-145 for most of his life except in the last 2 years when he came down between 135-140. He consistently being above 150 is just a figment of imagination of his countrymen.

It’s similar to some Australians claiming Thomson to be bowling at 170-180.

Shoaib was good! That’s it! He bowled 3-5km faster than Bumrah and his stats (strike rate, RPO) are almost but not as good as Bumrah though the latter is still early in his career.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Shoaib was in 140-145 for most of his life except in the last 2 years when he came down between 135-140. He consistently being above 150 is just a figment of imagination of his countrymen.

It’s similar to some Australians claiming Thomson to be bowling at 170-180.

Shoaib was good! That’s it! He bowled 3-5km faster than Bumrah and his stats (strike rate, RPO) are almost but not as good as Bumrah though the latter is still early in his career.

not to mention shoaib bowled in a bowling friendly era. bumrah has better stats in a tougher era for bowling.

 

[xricket]

not to mention shoaib bowled in a bowling friendly era. bumrah has better stats in a tougher era for bowling.

Yeah, as if Kallis, Dravid, Sehwag, Tendulkar, Langer, Ponting, Kristen, Langer, Hayden, Waughs, Jayawardene, Sangakara, Laxman, Pietersen, Bevan & many more greats i missed, weren't around.

 

[Rightarmfast]

That's extremely true. Here are his numbers against India -

Tests -

vs India - 34.50 (ave); SR - 61.9

ODI's -

vs India - 26.78 (ave)


I'm pretty sure Mcgrath would be sooooo jealous of those numbers.

Had it not been for the first series against India in Sharjah, his ODI avg would be 30+ too!