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"I’ll go so far as to say, at the same age, Babar’s as good as Virat Kohli" : Mickey Arthur

Mickey Arthur thinks Babar Azam is as good as Virat Kohli

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Pakistan head coach Mickey Arthur believes Pakistan’s young right-hand batsman Babar Azam is as good as Indian Test captain Virat Kohli.

Azam recently scored an unbeaten 90 in the second Test against New Zealand in difficult batting conditions and Arthur says he deserves the high praise.

“He’s a young gun who will be an exceptional player,” said Arthur. “I’ll go so far as to say, at the same age, I reckon, he’s as good as Virat Kohli, which I know that’s high praise but he’s right up there.”

Azam, who averages 46.40 after three Tests, is way ahead of Kohli who had an average of 15.2 after the same number of matches.

However, a better comparison of both batsmen could be done using their ODI statistics. Babar, who has represented Pakistan in 18 ODIs, has three centuries, five fifties and an average of 52.11 to his name.

Meanwhile, Kohli, after the same number of matches, had only one ton and an average of 50 to his name.

Pakistan were beaten 2-0 in the recently concluded series against New Zealand, first series loss after 31 years, but Arthur thinks the build-up to the series was not good.

“I think we’ve become better and better as the series has gone on,” Arthur said on Perth’s 6PR radio station. “We arrived straight from Dubai to five days of rain in Nelson so we didn’t get any training or a practice game, which was completely rained out. And there was an earthquake as well.”

He added: “We almost went into the first Test match pretty cold, played OK there and we’ve played a lot better in this [second] Test match. Had this series gone another Test match we would have been better for the conditions. Hopefully, this has put us in good stead for what we can experience in Australia.”
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This guy really knows how to put the mockers on and jinx our batsmen. First Shafiq reminded him of Tendulkar and now Babar is as good as Kohli.
 
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Lol tbh he is comparing him to when Kohli was his age so should be given the benefit of doubt.:ahmed
 
I hope this doesn't end the same way as the Shafiq-SRT comparision lol :))
 
Ahson8 said:
I hope this doesn't end the same way as the Shafiq-SRT comparision lol :))
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Has a Pakistani batsmen who has done well and then be compared to Sachin ever managed to mantain or improve on his performance after the said comparison?
 
Don't agree, and he will never reach Kohli's level, but he is easily the most talented and complete batsman produced by Pakistan since the emergence Mohammad Yousuf in 1998.
 
Mamoon said:
Don't agree, and he will never reach Kohli's level, but he is easily the most talented and complete batsman produced by Pakistan since the emergence Mohammad Yousuf in 1998.
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He's better than Kohli at this age. He looks calm and composed while scoring runs. Kohli took sone time to find his feet in test cricket.
 
It's a simple statement of fact.

As for Shafiq, let's just say that Mickey Arthur must be coming to recognise that he is the new Ian Bell or Michael Bevan. (The Test Bevan, not the ODI one).
 
Mamoon said:
Don't agree, and he will never reach Kohli's level, but he is easily the most talented and complete batsman produced by Pakistan since the emergence Mohammad Yousuf in 1998.
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Kohli had more flaws in his game at this age Babar is more well rounded but Virat is a bit like Imran Khan a perfectionist who would kill himself to become a better player if Babar can have half of Kohli's work ethic he will go down as a great of the game.
 
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Junaids said:
It's a simple statement of fact.

As for Shafiq, let's just say that Mickey Arthur must be coming to recognise that he is the new Ian Bell or Michael Bevan. (The Test Bevan, not the ODI one).
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If he can score 22 tons at an average of 42, and have a dominant series vs his biggest rivals (Bell's 2013 Ashes), he will become a bonafide legend for Pakistan.

At this point, Shafiq is a poor man's Ian Bell unfortunately.
 
Mamoon said:
If he can score 22 tons at an average of 42, and have a dominant series vs his biggest rivals (Bell's 2013 Ashes), he will become a bonafide legend for Pakistan.

At this point, Shafiq is a poor man's Ian Bell unfortunately.
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I totally agree.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
He's better than Kohli at this age. He looks calm and composed while scoring runs. Kohli took sone time to find his feet in test cricket.
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Xoib said:
Kohli has more flaws in his game at this age Babar is well rounded but Virat is a bit like Imran Khan a perfectionist who would kill himself to become a better player if Babar can have half of Kohli's work ethic he will go down as a great of the game.
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^ That is want I wanted to touch on before you mentioned it.

I'm not speaking of any specific formats here, but a young Kohli had this piercing look in his eyes which suggested that he will go very far. He had this steely determination which is difficult to describe in words, but one can call it when he/she sees it.

Babar has lots and lots of talent, but so far he appears to be a casual and a laid-back person. The main challenge for Mickey is to develop Babar's hunger and passion to succeed; make him more aggressive but not reckless.
 
Mamoon said:
^ That is want I wanted to touch on before you mentioned it.

I'm not speaking of any specific formats here, but a young Kohli had this piercing look in his eyes which suggested that he will go very far. He had this steely determination which is difficult to describe in words, but one can call it when he/she sees it.

Babar has lots and lots of talent, but so far he appears to be a casual and a laid-back person. The main challenge for Mickey is to develop Babar's hunger and passion to succeed; make him more aggressive but not reckless.
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This is true. Kohlis determination and focus is second to none. However, I do think Babar has a higher ceiling but that of course depends on his level of motivation and work ethic. No doubt about that.
 
No the initial success will get to his head, may be not as much as umar, i think he will end as in between version of umar and kohli, he should follow both, umar for how not to be a great cricketers and kohli for how to be a great cricketer. He has the raw talent to be even better than kohli but to actually be better than kohli he will have to kill his inner pakistani and think like a true dedicated professional batsman, who wants to be the best ever, nothing less. For whom it's not just a dream but a mission.
 
It is not easy to replicate Kohli even though Babar Azam might be better than him.
 
Absolutely unnecessary statement from Mickey. No need to bulk up Babar Azam right now. He's only started his career for God's sake. Why do we put so much pressure on young kids who've just started their career? Basit Ali was named as the second coming of Miandad. Nasir Jamshed was our Amir Sohail/Saeed Anwar. Sohaib Maqsood was our Inzamam. Amir was our Wasim Akram. Seriously when will we stop???
 
shariqnoor said:
Absolutely unnecessary statement from Mickey. No need to bulk up Babar Azam right now. He's only started his career for God's sake. Why do we put so much pressure on young kids who've just started their career? Basit Ali was named as the second coming of Miandad. Nasir Jamshed was our Amir Sohail/Saeed Anwar. Sohaib Maqsood was our Inzamam. Amir was our Wasim Akram. Seriously when will we stop???
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because PAK's success was always due to individuals. and that is the reason we look for individual brilliance.
 
Well, there is nothing wrong in what Mickey Arthur has said about Babar. He is fantastic talent, he just need to put his head down and keep on improving his batting. Him alongside Sami Aslam both are good talents and PCB need to invest in them get them county contracts so they can develop themselves even more.
 
Good of Mickey to put this in Babar's head. I am sure he has also told Babar what else he needs to do to approach Kohli's stature
 
Mamoon said:
Don't agree, and he will never reach Kohli's level, but he is easily the most talented and complete batsman produced by Pakistan since the emergence Mohammad Yousuf in 1998.
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What? now you can see the future?
 
what really is the point of this statement?

everyone who's watching Pak cricket has a sense of how good Azam can be

Is Arthur trying to crush Azam expectations? just let him be
 
Even Kohli of the past is not as good as the Kohli of present. :) So let us not jump our guns. Kohli's success in ODIs is quiet extraordinary something nobody envisioned at the start. This is like Ball tracking with less accuracy. You cannot predict its course from miles away.
 
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I think right now Babar look more talented but Kohli is more than talent , he has worked hard to get where he is, it is a bit like Imran, Botham, and Kapil story, where Botham and may be even Kapil was more talented and have a good start to their career but Khan ended up as best among three due to sheer hard work and ethics.
 
Forget about Kohli, you can pick 10 ATG batsmen who were worse than Babar at same age or same number of matches. Now naming those ATG and saying that Babar is better than those ATG at certain age is not very meaningful. Not only Babar, you can pick many young batsmen and make similar statements. It's not meaningful if those ATG batsmen improved a lot to become ATG down the line. If those ATG were really gun player from the get go then it make sense to say something like that.

It reminds me a long thread in PP about Akmal having a better stats in ODI than SRT in first so and so matches. I personally don't think that it's very helpful for young batsmen. Just puts additional pressure and sometime you can get obsessed to even start copying hair style and all that ;)
 
Navdeep Srivastava said:
I think right now Babar look more talented but Kohli is more than talent , he has worked hard to get where he is, it is a bit like Imran, Botham, and Kapil story, where Botham and may be even Kapil was more talented and have a good start to their career but Khan ended up as best among three due to sheer hard work and ethics.
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Kohli is as talented as anyone. We don't know how we quantify this. Virat from the start played some unique shots that not many traditionally plays. Wristy slap on the off side, or wristy lofted shots over the midwicket. He is doing well because he doesn't rely on uppish shots. He is more a ground stroke player. Even when he plays the pull his first instinct is to roll the wrist to keep it down unlike so called "taulent" ROhit sharma whose first instinct is to hit for six. Basically we label anyone who plays flashy shots without control as talented.
 
coy0607 said:
what really is the point of this statement?

everyone who's watching Pak cricket has a sense of how good Azam can be

Is Arthur trying to crush Azam expectations? just let him be
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He is his coach and he is trying to encourage him. What is the issue?
 
Janab Mickey trying to prop up the confidence of young Babar.

Nothing wrong with his statement.

Hope it does not put too much burden on Babar as people continue to expect him to score at least a half century every time he walks out to bat.
 
It seems that we are happy putting down our batsmen all the time. Any slight praise and we feel guilty. Should learn from other teams.

Btw, those who have good command of English would have read that statement carefully and seen the in-built caveats.
 
Oh no, this statement is like a bad omen for our players, as soon as they get compared to Kohli, they lose the plot and end up spiralling downwards in their career..

Kohli is incomparable no matter what we produce.. we just don't have the ambitiousness Kohli has, reason is Kohli is a trendsetter, a torchbearer, and these are only followers.. but will never be the top guns

Kohli is chasing the sun, a dream and he won't stop at any point like any of these youngsters would and all those who have become complacent after being compared to Kohli
 
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Few good matches (3 ODI hundreds against 2nd string WI, 90* against NZ) and leveling him as good as Kohli!!!! Let him play as he is. He is good but no where near to Kohli. There is a big difference between Babar and Kohli about temperament, responsibility, power hitting ability and leadership
 
Dravid went on to say that Kohli trains the hardest, works the hardest than anyone else in the room, he practices for hours and hours before he goes on and appears the way he does... he's incomparable in that sense..

If Babar Azam can emulate the hard work Virat puts in off camera, behind closed doors then he will be very lucky to emulate the stats Kohli has..
 
On a serious note, Babar's start has been more similar to Tendulkar than Kohli. I understand that it's a lofty comparison and I know the past comparisons have ended up badly. But Babar is what, 21? Kohli hadn't made his test debut when he was at that age and was more of an ODI specialist then. I honestly thought he was a good player but certainly didn't imagine Kohli would reach the heights he has reached now, when he was 21. Kohli is more of a player who was driven to succeed and worked his way to where he is now. He didn't have a great start to his test career and only gradually improved on his test career year by year, unlike his ODI career where it took a steep climb after a few matches.

Tendulkar was someone who was naturally gifted at a very young age and was hitting centuries all over the world in test cricket as a teenager. The way Babar played on a tricky wicket when his teammates were collapsing around him at just 21 years is very impressive. He has made an excellent start to both his test and ODI careers at just 21 years which is simply phenomenal. In that aspect, he is more similar to Tendulkar who also was a similar prodigy (even his attitude resembles Tendulkar more than Kohli).

Also Pakistan have produced a lot of very good batsmen but not many truly great ones. They either are good only in one format or have certain weaknesses like struggling against pace, swing or bounce. But Babar might just be the first Pakistani batsman after Miandad, who can become a truly great all format batsman across varied conditions. He can even better Miandad in that aspect if he develops according to the trajectory he is showing.

Then again, early promise doesn't always come to fruition. Umar was compared in a similar way after he made a similar start and he is struggling now. Plenty of players have made great starts only to fade away. It is upto Babar whether he lives upto the promise or fades away like his cousin.
 
He's easily better than Virat Kohli was, at his age. Kohli didn't look anything special when he first debuted but somewhere along the years he had a transformation and vecame a superb player.

Babar needs to ensure that he doesn't stop working hard and there is no reason why he won't be able to end up in the same bracket as Kane, Root, Smith and Kohli.
 
De Kock is the only other batsman in world cricket who was as talented when he was around 21.
 
[MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] one could also say Babar has started his career like :uakmal no?
 
Babar is defn good and yeah for 21 he is defn better than Virat but still long way to go, If Babar has the hunger he will probably go ahead and become a great.

Hopefully he picks up from the mistakes of his cousin.
 
JaDed said:
[MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] one could also say Babar has started his career like :uakmal no?
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Yup, history is repeating itself after a very good knock in New Zealand. Although I think Babar has a more mature head on his shoulders and much better temperament than :uakmal
 
High praise from Arthur here. When Virat debuted you could see there was something special was there and Babars innings the other day he showed signs that there is a special player. He should aim to match and emulate Virat hardwork towards fitness and improving his batting than anything is possible.
 
Been ages since I last followed Pakistani cricketers. Will definitely check some videos of this guy, sounds like someone special.
 
MenInG said:
He is his coach and he is trying to encourage him. What is the issue?
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The issue is that it is silly to compare Babar Azam who has barely played 3 tests to an experienced campaigner like Kohli who has 51 tests under his belt. It is an unfair comparison, both to Babar and Kohli.

Why must Babar look up to Kohli, Bradman or anyone else? His aim should be to overtake and better them. Mickey's role as a coach should be to ensure that Babar remains hungry for runs and doesn't get complacent because of all the praises being showered on him. Instead he praises Babar and rates him as good as Kohli :facepalm:
 
How he takes this comparison only depends on his personality. He might feel a little pressure or maybe he will get motivated. You tell someone like Kohli that he is the best in the world or that he is no good, and it has the same effect on him. It only gets him more motivated and for me that's what separates Kohli from other batsmen. When both criticism and compliments have the same effect, you have a world class temperament.
 
Vinod Kambli had 4 Test hundreds including two double hundreds by the age of 21. He was widely considered to be just as talented as Tendulkar before Walsh & company ruthlessly exposed him and his career never recovered. Babar Azam may turn out to be a wonderful batsman but early promise doesn't always materialise into outstanding careers.
 
Mamoon said:
^ That is want I wanted to touch on before you mentioned it.

I'm not speaking of any specific formats here, but a young Kohli had this piercing look in his eyes which suggested that he will go very far. He had this steely determination which is difficult to describe in words, but one can call it when he/she sees it.

Babar has lots and lots of talent, but so far he appears to be a casual and a laid-back person. The main challenge for Mickey is to develop Babar's hunger and passion to succeed; make him more aggressive but not reckless.
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Kohli has the same passion of the game which I only saw in Ponting. I am sure if they played a tape ball match on a street, they would play like it was a world cup final.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Kohli had sachin, dravid, laxman, sehwag with him. That makes a huge difference.
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THIS !! People don't realize the importance of mentor-ship in a players development . Even when the FAB 5 especially Sachin were on their last legs, the wisdom Kohli would've gained playing with them was invaluable.

To an extend I feel Babar is lucky as most of the Toxic characters in the Pakistan team are either out of it or retired. He at least has a cleaner environment to develop himself.
 
Slog said:
Has a Pakistani batsmen who has done well and then be compared to Sachin ever managed to mantain or improve on his performance after the said comparison?
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Yes, Shehzad. Averaged sub 20 with a strike rate of 50 pre comparison which rose to a whopping 30 with a strike rate of 70 after the comparison.
 
Just why?

I mean he's doing well, let him stay under the radar and speak through his performance. Now you compare him to Kohli, expectations rise, if he fails which he is bound too as international cricket is ruthless at times, it will only add more pressure.

Haven't you guys learned from how you handled Umar Akmal? :facepalm:
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Kohli had sachin, dravid, laxman, sehwag with him. That makes a huge difference.
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Rohit had them too, in long before Kohli did.

It doesn't matter who mentors you, which coaching setup you have been brought up in, unless as a player you make it count it all means jack!
 
The problem is.... Longevity.... Lots of pak young batsman showed promises earlier but got faded.
 
gani999 said:
The issue is that it is silly to compare Babar Azam who has barely played 3 tests to an experienced campaigner like Kohli who has 51 tests under his belt. It is an unfair comparison, both to Babar and Kohli.

Why must Babar look up to Kohli, Bradman or anyone else? His aim should be to overtake and better them. Mickey's role as a coach should be to ensure that Babar remains hungry for runs and doesn't get complacent because of all the praises being showered on him. Instead he praises Babar and rates him as good as Kohli :facepalm:
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It is not a direct comparison of Babar and Kohli. He is not saying Babar = Kohli.

“I’ll go so far as to say, at the same age, I reckon, he’s as good as Virat Kohli."
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MenInG said:
He is his coach and he is trying to encourage him. What is the issue?
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encouragement doesn't mean announcing to the world media how a guy who's played 3 test is as good as arguably the best batsmen in the world... thats creating unrealistic expectations and pressure

if this is how the coach encourages his players, than he's not a very good at it
 
Can anyone help me understand -

Why does he have to drag Indian batsmen into everything? is the media prodding him by name-dropping? Why can't he just compare with players who he has coached? An Amla, Smith or Devillers or Phil Hughes, Warner or Steve Smith?

Why does it have to be Sachin and Kohli? I mean he must have observed the above people more closely.

Is this public appeasement with an ulterior motive?
 
:))

Boyses.

This is going the same way as "Shafiq reminds me of Tendulkar". :srini

Mickey has a typical pper in him for sure. But yeah, it's also a fact that Azam is one of the best bats to debut in a decade or so.
 
MenInG said:
What? now you can see the future?
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Just like no Indian pacer will ever reach the level of Wasim and Imran, no Pakistani batsman will ever reach the level of Tendulkar and Kohli.
 
coy0607 said:
encouragement doesn't mean announcing to the world media how a guy who's played 3 test is as good as arguably the best batsmen in the world... thats creating unrealistic expectations and pressure

if this is how the coach encourages his players, than he's not a very good at it
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I repeat, he is not saying Babar = Kohli.

“I’ll go so far as to say, at the same age, I reckon, he’s as good as Virat Kohli."
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EliteCynical said:
Can anyone help me understand -

Why does he have to drag Indian batsmen into everything? is the media prodding him by name-dropping? Why can't he just compare with players who he has coached? An Amla, Smith or Devillers or Phil Hughes, Warner or Steve Smith?

Why does it have to be Sachin and Kohli? I mean he must have observed the above people more closely.

Is this public appeasement with an ulterior motive?
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Take it as a compliment, i.e. Indian batsmen being the benchmark.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Take it as a compliment, i.e. Indian batsmen being the benchmark.
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:) Actually no. I don't care about that. i am just concerned that comparisons and name dropping is happening far too often in Pak cricket and I think, it is not at all good for the batsmen.

Also I thought comparing with an SA or Aus batsman would have been more logical. Looks like Mickey knows what the public want to hear or someone is feeding him info.
 
EliteCynical said:
:) Actually no. I don't care about that. i am just concerned that comparisons and name dropping is happening far too often in Pak cricket and I think, it is not at all good for the batsmen.

Also I thought comparing with an SA or Aus batsman would have been more logical. Looks like Mickey knows what the public want to hear or someone is feeding him info.
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Arthur seems to like his comparisons. Perhaps he thinks it will motivate the players.

Seems to have back-fired in Shafiq's case so I hope this one works out better.
 
There is a PPer inside Mickey who pops up every now and then. Unfortunately Amir is not allowing him to establish the Wasim comparison.

Probably reminds him of Ashish Nehra these days.
 
Mamoon said:
Just like no Indian pacer will ever reach the level of Wasim and Imran, no Pakistani batsman will ever reach the level of Tendulkar and Kohli.
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Kohli? Guy is nowhere near the level of Inzamam and Yousuf in tests, forget about Miandad and Younis. I know you like drooling all over him but he's barely played 50 test matches and has never attained a 50+ average. He's got a looong way to go to be better than the best Pakistani batsmen.
 
I dont understand this theory.XYZ better that ABC at PQR age.

Babar Azam is 22.Now many ATGs didnt even make their debut at 22.Does it mean that those ATGs were less talented than Azam at age 22 and suddenly became ATGs over the next decade?No.The talent and temperament is not something an ATG lacks at any stage of his career.Selection in the team or performance at a particular age is dependent on a lot of factors that are unrelated to talent.

Some of those factors are,

1.Selection policy

2.Team Vacancy

3.Opponent againist whom the player debuts.

So on and so forth.This comparision by age seems just a way to hype up a player.
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli? Guy is nowhere near the level of Inzamam and Yousuf in tests, forget about Miandad and Younis. I know you like drooling all over him but he's barely played 50 test matches and has never attained a 50+ average. He's got a looong way to go to be better than the best Pakistani batsmen.
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What was the test avg of Inzamam,Younis and Yousuf after 50 tests?
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli? Guy is nowhere near the level of Inzamam and Yousuf in tests, forget about Miandad and Younis. I know you like drooling all over him but he's barely played 50 test matches and has never attained a 50+ average. He's got a looong way to go to be better than the best Pakistani batsmen.
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I don't mean Tests only. Overall, he's already better than any Pakistani batsman ever, and if we talk about Tests only, it is only a matter of time.
 
Aman said:
QdK was much more impressive than both at the same age.
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Agree. Though he looked completely lost, nervous and even confused in his first few games, but after that ton against us in UAE courtesy a Hafeez drop :hafeez, he hasn't looked back.

My favorite batsman in the world atm.
 
This will be a test of his character. If he's gonna play at #3 for Pakistan then he's gotta be able to withstand all the pressure.
 
These Pakistani coaches really know how to hype up their own

Before you know it inzimam will be bringing lunch for babar to show special they rate babar
I'm sure sarfraz knows babar is the real deal going forward and even the likes of wahab will notice how babar azam has overtaken sarfraz and established as the prima donna of the team

It's lovely to see so much respect given to youngsters who have taken zero responsibility nor proven themselves
 
Mamoon said:
I don't mean Tests only. Overall, he's already better than any Pakistani batsman ever, and if we talk about Tests only, it is only a matter of time.
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Overall, he's still far behind Miandad. Miandad retired as an ATG batsman in tests and a very good one in ODIs. Kohli isn't an ATG in ODIs yet and like I said, has a long way to go in tests. Inzamam too is ahead, who retired as a great in both formats.

Potential wise, I can see him becoming India's best ever batsman, forget about Pakistan. However your statement is inaccurate as of now.
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli? Guy is nowhere near the level of Inzamam and Yousuf in tests, forget about Miandad and Younis. I know you like drooling all over him but he's barely played 50 test matches and has never attained a 50+ average. He's got a looong way to go to be better than the best Pakistani batsmen.
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What was Inzimam's average after 50 tests?

He averaged 43.2 in all matches and his average against Australia was 34 , England 38, South Africa 32.

Kohli at the same time is averaging 48 and his average against Australia is 60, England 36 , South Africa 47.

Kohli will easily better Inzimam at current pace.

I am sure similar stats can be found for Yousuf.

Why don't you do the honors.

By the way Inzimam ended his career with average of 49.6 just a shade below 50 after playing 120 tests. You really think Kohli will fall apart and by the time he reaches 100 tests go back to averaging below 40?

At least think before talking.

He is better than Inzimam was at same stage.
 
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