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Amir never should have been allowed back in international cricket, there should be zero tolerance for this sort of stuff
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Amir never should have been allowed back in international cricket, there should be zero tolerance for this sort of stuff
I was a child when the spot fixing happened, and even then I knew it was wrong. It's not like he was some 5 year old who was forced at gunpoint to do it.Amir was very young when this incident occurred. He has completed his sentence for what he done so we must now move on.
fair enough!I was a child when the spot fixing happened, and even then I knew it was wrong. It's not like he was some 5 year old who was forced at gunpoint to do it.
He only admitted it went it suited him. When he was definitely getting the ban and jail sentence. Trying to save himself. Was a plea for leniency. He first denied it like the others. Same thing for Butt and Asif, they admitted it when they needed to return to international cricket, as to not serve their extra suspended sentence. Amir didn’t have a suspended sentence. I have also heard Amir’s story that he gave to why he fixed and he was tricked. It sounds rather unbelievable and doesn’t really sound like the truth.fair enough!
but Amir was a player who admitted to spot fixing and acknowledged his mistake while Salman Butt and Asif were still denying their involvement. So there is a sympathy element for him in my mind. At least he accepted his crime and is asking the nation for forgiveness so why shouldnt we?
But also if you continue your analogy, then Ramiz is just someone who is not employed by the company where Amir was fired/rehired from and he’s giving his opinion on the decisions the company made.This whole war is silly.
The analogy is simple, if someone commits a crime, then serves their sentence they have a criminal record, but that criminal record doesn't prevent them from applying to a job or even the same job again.
The company can just choose to say that they cannot hire because the person has a criminal record but theirs no law stating they cannot be rehired.
If the company accepts rehirement then the employee with the criminal record by law gets the same treatment.
Amir isn't innocent, he's the employee with a criminal record, but pcb aka the company decided to forgoe it rather then saying no we can't accept you.
Like it or not, he was in the 2017 squad and his spell resulted in Pakistan winning the final as it put India in a collapsed position.
Then he's an outsider who's opinion is irrelevant.But also if you continue your analogy, then Ramiz is just someone who is not employed by the company where Amir was fired/rehired from and he’s giving his opinion on the decisions the company made.
Just the fact that he didn’t stand in court smugly lying through his teeth is more honorable than Butt and Asif. I had to read butt’s delusionally smug testimonies for days - I mean read the room you foolish man. It pretty much confirmed the type of person Butt was. Such a shame, who can forget that constant dhikr repeating kid in the jubilee cup on debut would have that much delusion.He only admitted it went it suited him. When he was definitely getting the ban and jail sentence. Trying to save himself. Was a plea for leniency. He first denied it like the others. Same thing for Butt and Asif, they admitted it when they needed to return to international cricket, as to not serve their extra suspended sentence. Amir didn’t have a suspended sentence. I have also heard Amir’s story that he gave to why he fixed and he was tricked. It sounds rather unbelievable and doesn’t really sound like the truth.
Butt and Asif got a far worse time, serving longer jail times in an actual prison not young offenders. And then not getting the welcome back like Amir when rejoining cricket in terms of leagues and international cricket. Both Asif and Butt would have taken Amir’s punishment gladly. I even read an interview where asif actually sounded the most mature of the lot, accepting his involvement and not making demands.
I don’t really think Amir acted any more honourably than the other two really. Both asif and butt would have likely done the same in Amir’s position.
To add:Just the fact that he didn’t stand in court smugly lying through his teeth is more honorable than Butt and Asif. I had to read butt’s delusionally smug testimonies for days - I mean read the room you foolish man. It pretty much confirmed the type of person Butt was. Such a shame, who can forget that constant dhikr repeating kid in the jubilee cup on debut would have that much delusion.
So whatever you say about Amir, he didn’t do any of that.
I agree with the whole disowning thing. Overboard, he made a mistake.Ramiz loosing the plot and over exaggerating as usual.
From a cricketing point of you he s entitled to his opinion however context is always an overriding factor to determine a fair outcome.
Amir was 17 years old kid playing for his country, part of a subcontinent culture where senior players are highly respected and listened to and revered.
With European culture the total opposite.
That was my point bro.I agree with the whole disowning thing. Overboard, he made a mistake.
However European culture would have not let him play again. England would have not let him play again. He benefitted from Pakistani board’s leniency to fixers. We didn’t just let Amir back because of age. We let Sharjeel back too. PCB did it because they were talented.
Where did I make a comparison? Comparison posts are different.
I explained the Red line for each subject and society. Religion has its own red line, your family has its own red line. A sport also has its own red line.
For Example, if Islam can forgive a person for murder ( if blood money is given ), doesnt mean that a family will still forgive, because for a family, killing his/her child is the red line for that person.
you got that rightYou have no credibility on this subject . How can you support corrupt politicians, defend them but demand no forgiveness for a cricketer who did a crime at 17 years old ?
he was no 17. He was above the age of 19.You have no credibility on this subject . How can you support corrupt politicians, defend them but demand no forgiveness for a cricketer who did a crime at 17 years old ?
the lengths amir fans go to defend him......Most Pakistanis indulge in corruption/bribery/not paying taxes/fraud etc Many also support well known corrupt politicians but suddenly grow an angels head when it comes to Amir.
He was young , did the crime , did his time & repented inc educating others on dangers of fixing . So was rightly given another chance.
Ramiz is bitter he’s no longer chairman , has such rants now & then . If he’s so morally superior & disgusted seeing convicted players playing , why commentate when they’re playing?
Strange fella
Sharjeel himself admitted that he was guilty.That was my point bro.
In European culture he would of been allowed to be his own man and allowed to make his own decisions and therefore wouldn't of been in that position.
Subcontinent culture is the exact opposite.
Sharjeel was a fit up by sethi.
There was no evidence of any spot fixing by sharjeel.
It was a typical kangaroo court which he had to accept in order to keep his career at the time.
It depends what you call astray.bro Amir doesn't work in a bank
lets look at it in another way, a young adult goes astray and gets involved in a life of crime then gets caught and has been sentenced.. while in prison he regrets his decisions he made as a young adult and reforms, he is now released from prison should he be isolated from the world or should he get a chance to build his life from scratch?
the lengths amir fans go to defend him......
he was not 17, well above 19I’m not a fan .
Why the hate of him ? He was 17 , made a serious mistake, did his time. I don’t understand as you spend time on defending corrupt politicians but a 17 year was evil lol
he was no 17. He was above the age of 19.
Played with a fake birth certificate.
How age fudging works is something i have discussed at lengths on this forum based on first hand experience i have had at cricket clubs in Rawalpindi.Show your evidence ?
17-19 ok lol
How age fudging works is something i have discussed at lengths on this forum based on first hand experience i have had at cricket clubs in Rawalpindi.
90% cricketers fake it because they have nothing to lose and have an advantage, the advantage being having no formal education, hence, no date of birth being recorded on your education certificate. Even if someone attains 12 years of education, many are willing to throw it away by getting a reduced aged birth certificate made.
I have met his coach, Bajwa, and he admits he was above the age of 19 when he was caught int he crime.
Asking for evidence is like asking for evidence that Afridi played with his real age or not. Everyone knew the truth before Afridi finally spilled the beans himself.
two different cases.This is conjecture & your word is not evidence . You don’t have any .
Ok answer this . Is Amir’s crime worse than those Pakistani politicians you defend ? I’m trying to understand the level of seriousness you see this compared to your other moral judgments .
Sharjeel was a fit up by sethi.
There was no evidence of any spot fixing by sharjeel.
It was a typical kangaroo court which he had to accept in order to keep his career at the time.
I already addressed it in my earlier post he pleaded guilty to continue his career at the time.Sharjeel himself admitted that he was guilty.
Also, if there is doubt about the legal system of PCB or Pakistan, because this was a sorts fixing ban, he was allowed to go for an appeal to an international spots court in Switzerland.
Fantastically summarised bro.I agree with this. Only the Almighty knows whether he committed the offence he was accused of, but there was no evidence against him whatsoever. In court, MoYo was invited as an expert to give his view on one of the dot balls he played out. His statement was a revealing one, where he mentioned that Sharjeel was attempting to score runs but was unfortunate to have found the fielder. He made it clear that the ball was played on its merits.
When this news broke out, Sethi couldn't hold his big mouth quiet, as per usual. In order to save face, him and the rest of the PCB pressurised this kangaroo court to deliver a guilty verdict.
I found it hilarious when people actually said afridi was 16 on debut.How age fudging works is something i have discussed at lengths on this forum based on first hand experience i have had at cricket clubs in Rawalpindi.
90% cricketers fake it because they have nothing to lose and have an advantage, the advantage being having no formal education, hence, no date of birth being recorded on your education certificate. Even if someone attains 12 years of education, many are willing to throw it away by getting a reduced aged birth certificate made.
I have met his coach, Bajwa, and he admits he was above the age of 19 when he was caught int he crime.
Asking for evidence is like asking for evidence that Afridi played with his real age or not. Everyone knew the truth before Afridi finally spilled the beans himself.
Ramiz raja: ChairmanWhat if Ramiz Raja will become chairman again of PCB
it will become a next level chaos! lol
lol no one pleads guilty for a crime they did not commit. loolI already addressed it in my earlier post he pleaded guilty to continue his career at the time.
Appealing to CAS would of been a longer and costlier process.
Are you aware of the charge for which Amir went to prison?In a bank, you are responsible for managing and securing the money of your clients. If you betray your trust in that job then it is reasonable not to allow you to work in the same job again. Cricketers provide entertainment, they are not custodians for people's money. Cant compare a bank employee to a cricketer.
Real match-fixing in international games happened in 90s but many of the people involved there escaped punishment or even scrutiny. Not just Pakistanis, but also Indians, Australians, South Africans.The Pak trio were pretty dumb to get caught like that.
There was no evidence.lol no one pleads guilty for a crime they did not commit. lool
EIther you dont bother to read full posts, or just ignorant on purpose and ignore posts just to suit your own argument.There was no evidence.
This is Pakistan.
The guilty who should be imprisoned are the mafia running the country.
Are you telling me with a straight face that I K is guilty?
which basically meant they got caught.They didn't just get caught, it was a well planned sting operation. Pakistan had a long history of bad blood with England going back to the 1990s, there was high motivation to bring Pakistan to the book in the country. That's not to excuse any of it, any form of fixing needs to be nipped in the bud, but I doubt the English media would have found as much dividend in going after any of the other countries mentioned there.
Its sad how alot of these posters have a memory of a goldfish.Are you aware of the charge for which Amir went to prison?
"On 1 November 2011, at Southwark Crown Court, Majeed, Asif, Amir and Butt were found guilty of conspiracy to cheat at gambling and conspiracy to accept corrupt payments. Majeed and Amir were convicted following guilty pleas."
Essentially Amir with his actions stole money. That is more than just cricket.
which basically meant they got caught.
it was not a set up, the Pakistanis indulged in such behaviors themselves and were waiting to get caught.
I clearly stated all my points on my first post which you can refer to if you wish to get an answer.EIther you dont bother to read full posts, or just ignorant on purpose and ignore posts just to suit your own argument.
Any ban in sports can be appealed in the courts of Switzerland which has a special court for sports bannings and judgements given. There is a special appeal that is there in every ban that a player can use and appeal it in a switzerland sports court.
Thus, if Sharjeel had issues with the verdict .
Sharjeel field for an appeal in the Lahore high court and he still lost. He still had one more appeal in the Switzerland court.
Infact, there are 2-3 appeals, where you can also go to an independant adjudicator and than after which you can go to Court of Arbitrition for Sports which is in Switzlernad.
If you dont want to use your appeals and admit to being guiilty than offcourse you are guilty.
This stupid argument of oh this is pakistan, is really getting old.
It was not a domestic issue it was a sports issue.
Anyways, no matter how many times i explain this, you will only believe what you want to.
Its seems like you dont know what the word appeal means and what court of arbitration is or means. Infact, you seem to have a hard time understanding that Switzerland is a separate independent country.I clearly stated all my points on my first post which you can refer to if you wish to get an answer.
It is fruitless repeating the same thing over and over.
I notice how your swerving my question regarding I K.EIther you dont bother to read full posts, or just ignorant on purpose and ignore posts just to suit your own argument.
Any ban in sports can be appealed in the courts of Switzerland which has a special court for sports bannings and judgements given. There is a special appeal that is there in every ban that a player can use and appeal it in a switzerland sports court.
Thus, if Sharjeel had issues with the verdict .
Sharjeel field for an appeal in the Lahore high court and he still lost. He still had one more appeal in the Switzerland court.
Infact, there are 2-3 appeals, where you can also go to an independant adjudicator and than after which you can go to Court of Arbitrition for Sports which is in Switzlernad.
If you dont want to use your appeals and admit to being guiilty than offcourse you are guilty.
This stupid argument of oh this is pakistan, is really getting old.
It was not a domestic issue it was a sports issue.
Anyways, no matter how many times i explain this, you will only believe what you want to.
do you know what an appeal or court of arbitration in sports is?I notice how your swerving my question regarding I K.
If you stand for injustice, you stand for nothing.
If Islam teaches us to forgive people but you disagree with that, than its your problem.