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ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

Aman said:
Hopefully, one point means nothing at this point and is only making things tighter and more difficult to build momentum.
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Yeh feel really bad india was robbed off for 1 point ,they would have been on top of table by now
 
uak92 said:
We were in the exact same situation in 1992. We had to rely on other teams to lose their matches and for us to win all. The team back then was kind of similar. None of these big names of today were that big in 1992. The only thing that is lacking is leadership. If Sarfaraz can somehow transform himself to become the Captain he was in CT17, we have a good chance InshaAllah. He has to make tough decisions now and drop Shoaib Malik asap.
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It looks exactly same situation as in 1992, but the similarity is misleading. In 1992, by the time Pakistan played their first five matches, they had played against two future semifinalists (England and South Africa) and they needed to win three matches in a row, including once match against a semifinalist (New Zealand). This time in 2019, by the time Pakistan have played their first five matches, they have already met three potential semifinalists (England, Australia and India). In the remaining four matches (not three as was the case in 1992), Pakistan this time will meet three potential semifinal aspirants (South Africa, New Zealand and Bangladesh). Good luck if you think this Pakistan team can beat them all.
 
Forum363 said:
Very good post, thank you for clarifying.

I understand why people are so angry and negative, but if that’s the case, find a relevant thread to vent.

Pakistan Cricket over the past 15 years has disappointed more often than not. But there are those of us who don’t want to go around being negative and moody and will focus on the positive or cling on to hope while it’s there.
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Yup absolutely!

It's a lot easier for some people to be pessimistic and sulk in self pity - convincing themselves that this sort of lousy behavior will lead to some sort of magical shake up in Pakistani cricket.

It's a lot harder for fans to remain optimistic during difficult times.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Pakistan was worse 4 years ago. We would have lost 9 out of 9 in this format with that team.
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Nope, it was in Australia where our fast bowling wasn't that bad.

It was only until Irfan got injured we suffered.

Plus we had Misbah, who slept at the crease.
 
It's difficult to know what to make of this table except that top teams are in top. However, these games were affected by the rain:

PAK vs SL
SL vs BD
WI vs RSA
IND vs NZ
 
Aman said:
Rain is killing us, the matches against SA and India were definitely winnable and we haven't played in more than two weeks if tomorrow is rained out...

Such nonsense if we miss out because of rain.
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Sure every match is winnable. But NZ probability of doing so in a WC match against India? may be around 30%. Against SA may be around 50%. So don't kid yourselves. if tomorrow's match is washed out, they have two points from two matches against two good sides. They would have taken that before the start of the tournament with both hands.
 
England, New Zealand, India and Australia will make it. Let’s see what happens tomorrow between South Africa vs New Zealand if Kiwis opens then a lot of games in the coming weeks will be dead rubber and interests will die for me.
 
WengerOut said:
Wait for it.. He will now come with warm up match performance against India ignoring the fact that WI smoked them in one of the matches as well.
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and forget that fact that India smoked them at home just a few months back. Once that argument is over, he will say do you remember India lost to Pak in CT final :) he has all planned out, this guy
 
Aman said:
If we win both win we're through, this SA team has been terrible and I was always confident going into a match against India given how much we've played them.
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you are confident going into the match just because you played India. by the same token won't India be super confident after smoking you guys at home?
 
Pakistan should thank the stars they beat England. There is a good chance Pakistan will not win any other game, even Afghanistan one
 
Aman said:
One thing about us that we have over most other teams is our analytics and strategizing this is why I favored us to do India in during the WC.

Maybe best to save it for a potential Semi.
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and't won't India be doing exactly the same thing? there is nothing to show that NZ have more data analytics than India. With the kind of data analytics employed in IPL, i would guess India as as much if not more than NZ.
 
Aman said:
Rain is killing us, the matches against SA and India were definitely winnable and we haven't played in more than two weeks if tomorrow is rained out...

Such nonsense if we miss out because of rain.
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Big statement from someone whose team received a 4-1 thrashing from India on their own home ground just 4 months back.

Don't believe the world has changed since then.
 
The weather is looking much better for South Africa vs New Zealand. Maybe a delayed start but we should get most of the game in.

I think our qualifications hopes are over if South Africa lose. I think New Zealand will beat West Indies. 2 wins would be enough for NZ to qualify.
 
light said:
Well this WC format ensures best of the best plays the semi (unless rains poops on the party). There is no other way around it.

out of context, would have prefered ZIM over this over hyped AFG team. Their batters > AFG batters. Raza, Taylor and co would have definitely put on a better show than these T20 hacks.
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The best teams also played the semis in the last World Cup. The best format is 2 groups then a super 6 though.
 
Technically tomorrow pakistan hopes for semi's will break and we will start talking about "revamp the non-existent system". :misbah
 
I believe if we go to the semis (highly unlikely) we might even win the whole thing considering how many things have to go our way for us to even reach the semis.
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Technically tomorrow pakistan hopes for semi's will break and we will start talking about "revamp the non-existent system". :misbah
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Not really even if NZ beat SA, NZ could still lose to WI so yes it will be unlikely but it would not be over :inzi2
 
Mueez said:
True that.

We need to win all our matches to even get in contention for the semis.
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Rain will knock us out. Even with 11 points we will be in danger due to lowest NRR. However We need a mathematical chance just to maintain interest. 4 matches to go
 
according to the CWC19 bracket challenge, if somehow Nz lose 4 out of their last 5 games, pak win their next 3 matches and if BD win at least one more match, the pak vs bd match will turn into a virtual Quarter final (if BD have a higher NRR than both NZ and Pak) That would actually be fun to watch.
 
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I know everyone is focused on NZ losing tomorrow and eventually missing out but my money is on Australia. They have to lose 3 out of 4 and are not playing good cricket. I would say even Bangladesh can beat them. If not then they will surely lose to Eng and NZ making game against SF crucial to make it in.
 
SportsWarrior said:
and't won't India be doing exactly the same thing? there is nothing to show that NZ have more data analytics than India. With the kind of data analytics employed in IPL, i would guess India as as much if not more than NZ.
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Yet who is considered among the best tacticians in the game between Kane and Kohli? Yeah..

You learnt nothing from that series, nor were our players at their best. We learnt plenty about your players that series.
 
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latecut said:
It looks exactly same situation as in 1992, but the similarity is misleading. In 1992, by the time Pakistan played their first five matches, they had played against two future semifinalists (England and South Africa) and they needed to win three matches in a row, including once match against a semifinalist (New Zealand). This time in 2019, by the time Pakistan have played their first five matches, they have already met three potential semifinalists (England, Australia and India). In the remaining four matches (not three as was the case in 1992), Pakistan this time will meet three potential semifinal aspirants (South Africa, New Zealand and Bangladesh). Good luck if you think this Pakistan team can beat them all.
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It's ridiculous to think people are fantasizing about 1992 because Imran Khan is the PM of the country and now they think it's their fate to take the world cup. They will eventually famish all these fantasies and then get really angry at the team once they find out that they are already in a scenario that has only a 1% chance of them qualifying.
 
Aman said:
Yet who is considered among the best tacticians in the game between Kane and Kohli? Yeah..

You learnt nothing from that series, nor were our players at their best. We learnt plenty about your players that series.
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So both team played in the same series against each other but only one team learnt better just because one of the captain is so called “tactician”. The same tactician is the second choice captain for a domestic league. I like Kane but to overhype him as some out of the world tactician is just silly. He has not done anything out of the world as far as real world achievement.
 
cricketAXEpert said:
Rain will knock us out. Even with 11 points we will be in danger due to lowest NRR. However We need a mathematical chance just to maintain interest. 4 matches to go
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I hope not...

But our disqualification is only one bad match away.
 
Mueez said:
I hope not...

But our disqualification is only one bad match away.
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We have played 14 out of 15 bad matches so far, the anomaly being England.

If you look at any probability or mathematical progression of events, our disqualification is going to be confirmed in next match when we march to 15 out of 16.
 
Aman said:
Yet who is considered among the best tacticians in the game between Kane and Kohli? Yeah..

You learnt nothing from that series, nor were our players at their best. We learnt plenty about your players that series.
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Still not learnt lesson from 4-1 lose on your backyard .
 
Mkumar825 said:
Still not learnt lesson from 4-1 lose on your backyard .
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Enough to spank you in the last game we had on English soil while mucking about. India only managed to get 100 because the team needed some runs to chase. Just like the 5th ODI where Kane was trying our players per the play period rather than going for the kill and rolling India over again.
 
SportsWarrior said:
So both team played in the same series against each other but only one team learnt better just because one of the captain is so called “tactician”. The same tactician is the second choice captain for a domestic league. I like Kane but to overhype him as some out of the world tactician is just silly. He has not done anything out of the world as far as real world achievement.
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What has Kohli done to suggest he's a good tactican. He's a front runner where as Kane has led a weaker team to bigger wins with less resources.
 
Aman said:
Enough to spank you in the last game we had on English soil while mucking about. India only managed to get 100 because the team needed some runs to chase. Just like the 5th ODI where Kane was trying our players per the play period rather than going for the kill and rolling India over again.
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Excuse ,excuse & only excuse u have to explain that's it.
 
NZ can only one more game.. GOod things is their next games are tougher ones and they were tested by the Bangalis too.
Pakistan needs to win all the 4 matches.

if NZ win 2 more and lost the test they will be on 11 points, Pak winning all 4 will take em to 11 points. OUR NRR is rubbish. NZ will qualify
 
Pakistan doesn't deserve to quality given how rubbish we 've been Nz deserve it I
 
Aman said:
Enough to spank you in the last game we had on English soil while mucking about. India only managed to get 100 because the team needed some runs to chase. Just like the 5th ODI where Kane was trying our players per the play period rather than going for the kill and rolling India over again.
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When the fans have to resort to warm up matches to make a point it shows their desperation.
 
Aman said:
Enough to spank you in the last game we had on English soil while mucking about. India only managed to get 100 because the team needed some runs to chase. Just like the 5th ODI where Kane was trying our players per the play period rather than going for the kill and rolling India over again.
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You were embarrassed 4-1 in your own backyard, have some shame.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
We have played 14 out of 15 bad matches so far, the anomaly being England.

If you look at any probability or mathematical progression of events, our disqualification is going to be confirmed in next match when we march to 15 out of 16.
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Let’s see.

Tbh I don’t expect Pakistan to qualify after the ‘grouping’ between the players.
 
India and New Zealand are guaranteed semifinalists now.

England, Australia, Bangladesh and Pakistan still in the race...
 
If results go as expected, only NZ, Aus, Ind, Eng & Bangladesh will remain in contention by Sunday.
 
Mueez said:
India and New Zealand are guaranteed semifinalists now.

England, Australia, Bangladesh and Pakistan still in the race...
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Technically, all teams still stand a mathematical chance. By Sunday Afghanistan, Pakistan, WI, SL & SA could be out of the WC.
 
Mueez said:
Let’s see.

Tbh I don’t expect Pakistan to qualify after the ‘grouping’ between the players.
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For the love of God,
groupings are normal in every cricket team, not everyone hangs out all the time
we have not lost because of grouping
 
Mueez said:
India and New Zealand are guaranteed semifinalists now.

England, Australia, Bangladesh and Pakistan still in the race...
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You missed out Sri Lanka they have a point more than Pakistan and Windies. Even though they’re not as strong as before, they’re more within a chance than Pak and WI.

NZ are not still guaranteed. If England, Aus, Pak beat them. They could well lose their last 4 matches.
 
Great knock by Williamson! No one is guaranteed yet... but my original hopes are still alive.. not sure where the upset will come from but Pak have to focus on beating South Africa - that should be their only goal at the moment. One game at a time. I have a feeling Australia is going to drop points to Bangladesh
 
Pete Rose said:
For the love of God,
groupings are normal in every cricket team, not everyone hangs out all the time
we have not lost because of grouping
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We have lost because we have played awful cricket.

And the negative atmosphere in the dressing room doesn’t help either.
 
Sidilicious said:
Technically, all teams still stand a mathematical chance. By Sunday Afghanistan, Pakistan, WI, SL & SA could be out of the WC.
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Hasan2K8 said:
You missed out Sri Lanka they have a point more than Pakistan and Windies. Even though they’re not as strong as before, they’re more within a chance than Pak and WI.

NZ are not still guaranteed. If England, Aus, Pak beat them. They could well lose their last 4 matches.
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latecut said:
Sri Lanka and West Indies are also in the race.
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I can’t see Sri Lanka beating England and India.

Also NZ losing 4/4 is highly unlikely.

West Indies and Pakistan have equal chances to go to the semis imo.

Both teams can get to 11 points if they win all the remaining matches.
 
New Zealand has made it. It only needs to win one more match out of the remaining 4. It has been constantly crossing the League stages in every World Cup since 1992. It reached finals in 2015, Semis in 92, 99, 2003, 2007, & 2011. It reached QFs in 1996. So this team has the blueprint & the execution plan to reach Semis.

India needs to win min 2 more games from the remaining 5 to reach Semis & given the line-up of minnows they face, they should go through.

Australia also needs min 2 more games out of remaining 5 to qualify. They are yet to face 2 other likely semifinalists England & NZ but, should be able to go past Bangladesh & demoralized South Africa.

Australia also needs min 2 more games out of remaining 5 to qualify & are yet to face the 3 likely semifinalists Australia, NZ, & India. But given the host conditions & the red hot form they are in, there qualification is more or less certain.
 
NZ losing today would’ve opened up routes to top 4 bit more wider.

NZ have been very lucky this wc, easy first few fixtures and wins then a close runchase and got lucky on runouts, then the washout against India - gained a point from a match they’re were likely to get beat. Now SA messed it up against them, with the below par target set - should’ve got 260-270 but even then had chances to win it, missed many opportunities.
 
I know this is wishful thinking but if Pakistan do win their last 4 games, is their chance of making the semis likely or still unlikely? - is it above or below 50%?
 
Mueez said:
We have lost because we have played awful cricket.

And the negative atmosphere in the dressing room doesn’t help either.
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First point quantifiable.
Second point - non quantifiable.
We are not here to win a trophy for most positive dressing room: if atmosphere is negative or tense there's a reason for it. You would have to be shameless to have harmonious atmosphere after this performance.
But then, its not the fans fault, we have been brought on a sports media that is light on analysis and high on gossip.
 
topspin said:
I know this is wishful thinking but if Pakistan do win their last 4 games, is their chance of making the semis likely or still unlikely? - is it above or below 50%?
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NZ will have to lose the next four games they play.

Australia can win max one more game.

All unlikely.
 
topspin said:
I know this is wishful thinking but if Pakistan do win their last 4 games, is their chance of making the semis likely or still unlikely? - is it above or below 50%?
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Whats in our hand is to win and win big. the team will be judged on that, and if they get help from other's thats icing on top.
 
Hasan2K8 said:
NZ losing today would’ve opened up routes to top 4 bit more wider.

NZ have been very lucky this wc, easy first few fixtures and wins then a close runchase and got lucky on runouts, then the washout against India - gained a point from a match they’re were likely to get beat. Now SA messed it up against them, with the below par target set - should’ve got 260-270 but even then had chances to win it, missed many opportunities.
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May be they will win the world cup this time.
 
Mueez said:
India and New Zealand are guaranteed semifinalists now.

England, Australia, Bangladesh and Pakistan still in the race...
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I wonder what is the best case scenario for Pakistan?

Obviously we need to win all our remaining games which is no easy task, but who do we need to win and lose for our sake? Will a couple of opposition matches being washed out help our cause? What happens if a couple of Indian/Australia/English/NZ games are washed out?
 
topspin said:
I know this is wishful thinking but if Pakistan do win their last 4 games, is their chance of making the semis likely or still unlikely? - is it above or below 50%?
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Captain already declared something unfortunate will happen .
 
Usman Chadda said:
NZ will have to lose the next four games they play.

Australia can win max one more game.

All unlikely.
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Those permutations don't look good for Pakistan, especially if they need NZ to lose all their next contests and Australia to flop in all matches (except one game).
 
topspin said:
I know this is wishful thinking but if Pakistan do win their last 4 games, is their chance of making the semis likely or still unlikely? - is it above or below 50%?
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for Pak, SA and WI to have any chance, they need to win all remaining games also one of the top 4 need to loss all their remaining games which is highly unlikely..
 
topspin said:
I know this is wishful thinking but if Pakistan do win their last 4 games, is their chance of making the semis likely or still unlikely? - is it above or below 50%?
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I am afraid buddy Pakistan missed the bus. Even if they win 4 matches and somehow get equal points as NZ/WI/Bang they would lag behind in net run rate. I think Pakistan will regret not scoring 300 in chase vs India.
 
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