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First thing first Pakistan has to win against SA
So SA accomplished now the gritty NZ
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First thing first Pakistan has to win against SA
What role does rain play in future matches for Pakistan and England?
First one down.
We should be favourites for Afghanistan and Bangladesh.
So am I right in saying that if we win our next three then England need to beat at least 2 of Australia/India and NZ?...
Sorry guys it's far from over and I know some of the scenarios below are ridiculous but we are still in. Credit to my friend who posted this on Facebook:
"PAKISTAN'S CHANCES
So things are getting interesting at the business end of the WC. The underdogs are rocking the boat.
Teams that have been knocked out: AFG.
Teams that still have a chance to make the semis: IND, NZ, AUS, ENG, SL, BD, PAK, SA & WI.
So what has to happen now in order for PAK to make the semis?
The focus of the below is only to view this from PAK perspective.
1. PAK ideally need to win all 4 of the remaining matches: SA, NZ, BD, AFG. We will go from 3 to 11.
2. SL need to lose at least 1 of their 3 matches: SA, WI, IND. Even if they win the other two they will go from 6 to 10.
3. BD need to lose at least 1of their 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK. Since we have to beat them that will knock them out. Even if they win their other two matches they will go from 5 to 9.
4. SA & WI cannot go through if PAK gets to 11 since they can only get to 9 if they win all 3 of their matches.
The scenarios for PAK to go through if we win all 4 matches go to 11 and the above happens with SL & BD.
SCENARIO 1
ENG lose 2 out 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will go from 8 to 10.
SCENARIO 2
AUS lose all 3 of their matches: ENG, NZ, SA.
They will remain on 10.
SCENARIO 3
IND lose all 4 of their matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will remain on 9.
SCENARIO 4
IND lose 3 of their 4 matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will go from 9 to 11.
IND and PAK will be tied on 11.
NRR will determine so PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 4 matches by big margins.
SCENARIO 5
NZ lose all 3 of their matches: PAK, ENG, AUS.
They will remain on 11.
NZ and PAK will be tied on 11.
NRR will determine so PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 4 matches by big margins.
But there are three scenarios in which PAK can go through with just 3 wins out of the 4 remaining matches.
SCENARIO 6
PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.
ENG lose all 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will remain on 8.
SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.
BD loses 2 out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 7.
WI lose 1 out of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 7.
SA loses 1 out of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 7.
SCENARIO 7
PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.
ENG lose all 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will remain on 8.
SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.
BD loses 1out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 9.
WI don't lose any of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 9.
SA don't lose any of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 9.
BD, WI, SA & PAK will be tied on 9.
Only one of the four will go through based on NRR.
So PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 3 matches by big margins.
SCENARIO 8
PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.
SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.
BD loses 1out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 9.
WI don't lose any of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 9.
SA don't lose any of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 9.
IND lose all 4 of their matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will remain on 9.
BD, IND, WI, SA & PAK will be tied on 9.
Only one of the five will go through based on NRR. So PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 3 matches by big margins."
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They have matches against NZ, Aus and India coming up
We are going through to the semis!
So am I right in saying that if we win our next three then England need to beat at least 2 of Australia/India and NZ?...
England are perfectly capable of beating all these teams.
I'm sorry? It is pretty realistic for England or Australia to lose their next three games! Endland just needs to lose two. Nz is due a loss and I believe that will come against Pakistan.. No offense to BD their batting is also due a collapse. I bet on Pak winning their remaining games and Aus or England not making it to the semis.
England are perfectly capable of beating all these teams.
England are likely to crumble tbh
So am I right in saying that if we win our next three then England need to beat at least 2 of Australia/India and NZ?...
If Aus bat first they will win vs England. Englands bowling is trash. Evidence is our batting with Hafeez and Malik making 330+ aainst them regularly.
They are and vice versa
The pressure is on England and everyone knows that they dont handle that well
Pakistan not winning 3 matches in a row. Nkt with the fielding and the brain dead captain they have. Its only fantasy of the fans.
Sarfraz made good decisions as a captain today. Give credit when its due mate.
Sarfraz made good decisions as a captain today. Give credit when its due mate.
Did we watch the same game?
Removed 2nd slip for amir.
Removed amir after 4 overs, when he should have gone for 6 early on as ball was swinging, instead of imad.
Poor fielding positions. Should have posted athletic persons at long on and third man
Nz need to lose their last three matches, Which depends a lot on the Nz-aus match
Australia should qualify by beating Sa
England will need to beat either Australia or India
WI are now knocked out before they meet India on Thursday
If Pakistan’s managed to scrape through by beating nz on nrr,they play India at OT
Isn't old Trafford the same ground where India demolished us??
This is why Pak fans get a bad rep. There is no evidence that they should be favourites against BD. You could maybe argue it is an even matchup at best.
This is why Pak fans get a bad rep. There is no evidence that they should be favourites against BD. You could maybe argue it is an even matchup at best.
We are favourites against BD. Evidence?
Bookies.
Did we watch the same game?
Removed 2nd slip for amir.
Removed amir after 4 overs, when he should have gone for 6 early on as ball was swinging, instead of imad.
Poor fielding positions. Should have posted athletic persons at long on and third man
imagine pak win out ..nz lose to aus..eng beat one of aus/india...eng vs nz many fates would be dependent on that game ..nz win pak go through and if eng win it would all come down to nrr between nz and pak
One thing is for sure, the satellite of the "bad´duaayei´n" of the Pakistan fans will have to be solely directed at England, for it´s only them ahead of whom Pakistan can qualify for the semi-finals. Anyone out there who´s still hoping for New Zealand to stay behind is fooling himself, and here´s why: because they´re a team who´re yet to lose a single game. Now, for the sake of it, let´s suppose that they indeed lose all the three remaining matches, and Pakistan on the other hand end up winning all their three remaining matches; they´ll then both stand on equal number of points. It´ll then come down to the net run-rate, and Pakistan´s run-rate is appalling at the moment.
so to summarise we need England to lose all three matches and for us to win all of our matches..can we go through if we win two out of three matches?
Lets not forget Pakistan still has Afghanistan / Bangladesh to face, which on any good day could turn out to be a game changer for the NRR.
Yes if England lose all 3 SL lost 2 and India lose all 4
Well india arent going to lose 4 so discount that one. So we need England to lose three and lanka to lose two..which can happen as i dont think england are that strong anymore..we'll see on tuesday..they can turn the aussies over on their day so lets see..
so if england win on tuesday are we done?
A fast bowler should max bowl 4-5 overs early on, if he had taken one more wicket, only then extra over should be given. We needed Amir's spells in middle and at death overs, just in case to break partnership.
Sarfraz utilized his resources well. I was critical of his captaincy in previous matches but yesterday he deserved some credit.
Yes if England lose all 3 SL lost 2 and India lose all 4
We need England to lose all their matches. This is the most possible way. The SL loss is the only thing that made it even remotely possible. If they win 1, we have to then with 4/4. We won 1, but I do not see us winning 3 straight from here especially against NZ.
These are tough games for England, but they should not be in the SFs if they can not win 2/3. If we somehow win 4 in a row, we deserve to be there because we beat England, SA and NZ in the process.
Anyway, it's all still a long shot for now, very dependent on England folding.
Essentially we need NZ & Eng to lose their remaining games and for us to win ours.
In an ideal(/realistic) world - Eng lose at least 2 of their remaining games (vs Ind, Aus & NZ) and we win all 3 of ours (vs NZ, Afg & Bang) inshAllah
My reading was that if 2 teams are on the same number of points, then the head to head winner goes through, if it was a washout them its NRR, am i wrong?
England will most likely only win 1 of 3 three from NZ, Aus & India which will leave them on 10 points.
We need to win all our remaining 3 to move to 11 points.
If England lose all 3 they'll remain on 8 points.
We absolutely need to defeat NZ AFG and BD to move to 11 points.
My reading was that if 2 teams are on the same number of points, then the head to head winner goes through, if it was a washout them its NRR, am i wrong?
My reading was that if 2 teams are on the same number of points, then the head to head winner goes through, if it was a washout them its NRR, am i wrong?
Yup absolutely!
England will most likely only win 1 of 3 three from NZ, Aus & India which will leave them on 10 points.
We need to win all our remaining 3 to move to 11 points.
If England lose all 3 they'll remain on 8 points.
We absolutely need to defeat NZ AFG and BD to move to 11 points.
Absolutely hilarious how we might take up Englands SF spot.
Sri Lanka defeating England did wonders.
Now we need IND/AUS/NZ to do their part.
bangladesh have more chance then Pakistan?
Both BD and SL can beat india without india having to concede the matches. Indian middle order is a joke and will lose them important matchesThis doesn't make sense as if Pakistan get to the semis, it would just be a free win for India. And if Pakistan beat Bangladesh, then it doesn't matter what happens in the India vs Bangladesh match.
India dropping a match intentionally against SL so that they get in over England would make more sense.
If India wins against a West Indies and makes it to 11 points, could India play clever and try to drop 2 points to Bangladesh to give them
A QF match against Pakistan?
Personally I don’t want that.
We should play every game to win and we should NOT be afraid of Pakistan entering semis. Yes they are a dangerous KO team but what goes goes.
Thoughts?