jnaveen1980
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One loss and India won’t be #1. Australia is not losing to NZ or SAF
They will most likely play NZ in the semis in that case which will be fine for them.
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One loss and India won’t be #1. Australia is not losing to NZ or SAF
They will most likely play NZ in the semis in that case which will be fine for them.
Right. Just saying. I know some don’t want to play India in semis, if we make it I don’t think we will.
India hasn’t been challenged yet accept the afghan game.
Pakistan in WC 1992
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won
Pakistan in WC 2019
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won
Well this is interesting. Coincidence?![]()
Imagine if India loses 4 on the trot from here on out... that would be lovely![]()
Jali, jali na?yea, coincidence. if u think that pakistan is any more special than any of the other teams that will make the semi-finals, then u must be watching a different game.
England historically don’t handle pressure like this well. Their record speaks for itself. They are not India, Australia or Pakistan who have a history of comebacks. We will see.Pakistan's , Bangladesh's hopes hinge on India vs England match. There is no way this NZ is going to beat England at Chester-le-Street. England will crush them. Roy will be back. HE and Bairstow wreaked havoc against Australia last time. Plunkett will also be back. NZ just has to make sure they don't lose badly. So NZ might even accept graceful loss against England rather than going after win.
Nah, our batting is hopeless and we haven't played well this tournament. It's a bit much to expect them to get it together with 2-3 games left. We're going to be the walk over Semi.People are giving way too much credit to England and way less credit to NZ just because they lost to us.
NZ is a quality side and their pace bowling is the best in the tournament. They got a turning wicket today and lost. But I don’t expect them to succumb to England batting.
Pakistan in WC 1992
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won
Pakistan in WC 2019
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won
Well this is interesting. Coincidence?![]()
Imagine if India loses 4 on the trot from here on out... that would be lovely![]()
Forget 4 loss. Just a loss against ENG will mark the end of pakistan world cup campaign.
Pakistan vs Bangladesh is going to be a terrific match. Excited. Eng vs nz, nz vs Aus, Ind vs eng this world cup is as good a well written thriller.
We're not beating England.Not if nz beat England
Have a feeling England will manage to beat India, making the BD/Pak game a dead rubber. And that's when that game gets really difficult for Pakistan.Ind vs Eng will be a thriller for BD/Pak fans more than indian fans assuming India beats WI today.
Have a feeling England will manage to beat India, making the BD/Pak game a dead rubber. And that's when that game gets really difficult for Pakistan.
Nah, our batting is hopeless and we haven't played well this tournament. It's a bit much to expect them to get it together with 2-3 games left. We're going to be the walk over Semi.
NZ is not crashing out.NZ can lose both of their matches badly and Pak winning comprehensively. Not sure about the exact calculation.
NZ is not crashing out.
Not sure why everyone expects an under pressure England team to suddenly start dominating the in-form teams in this WC. This is a World Cup, not a bilateral series. England will have to play out of their skins to get to 12 points IMO.
Not if nz beat England
Btw what is weather forcast for important games ???
Any washout expected ???
Looks like everyone is forgetting that Pak has to beat Afghanistan first
paks path is easy now..all big teams are out of the way..we are not losing to 2 minnows
We're not beating England.
India should beat them, if they don't you better hope Aus and England smash us bad.
yea, coincidence. if u think that pakistan is any more special than any of the other teams that will make the semi-finals, then u must be watching a different game.
paks path is easy now..all big teams are out of the way..we are not losing to 2 minnows
i WOULD HAVE GIVEN bABAR A BOLLOCKING FOR NOT TRYING TO FINISH THE MATCH EARLIER, F THE CENTURY AN EXTRA FEW DECIMAL POUNTS COULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US QUALIFYING OR NOT ON NET RUN RATE, SPECIALLY IF NZ LOSE NEXT THREE. IT CAN HAPPEN!!!
oNLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE NRR WITH 3 OVERS TO GO. i CANT BELIEVE HE PLAYED OUT 4 DOTS I WOULD HAVE HAD HIM FLOGGED AS MANAGER FOR THAT IN PRIVATE!!! ONE MATCH WAS SECURE WITH 4/5 OVERS THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE ALL OUT TO FINISH WITH 2 OVERS LEFT RATHER THAN TAKE IT DEEP. AN EXTRA FEW TICKS ON US AND LESS ON NZ MAY END UP BEING THE DIFFEREMCE......
Btw what is weather forcast for important games ???
Any washout expected ???
What is the equation for Sri Lanka? Dont they also have a chance of replacing us even if we win both our matches?
They need to either win all 3 matches (sa,wi,ind), or win 2 matches & hope england loses both & Pak/BD lose one.
It will be interesting today as well. Bit skeptical since shikhars departure..Ind vs Eng will be a thriller for BD/Pak fans more than indian fans assuming India beats WI today.
That RR does not matter all that much at this point. If england wins two, its game over either way. If england doesn't win two, sl messes up, it will be a do or die match between bd v pak. Points more valuable than NRR at this point.
NRR definitely matters & I think eventually it’ll cost PAK. Why you all are hell bent on getting Poms out when easier target is Kiwis. They have two games against ENG & AUS - and they’ll lose both comfortably to end on 11 points. PAK has two games on 7, but a horrible NRR for one game, but one easiest game in WC & one last pressure game. If they can smoke AFGs inside 20 overs, most likely PAK will need to win inside 40 overs or by 75+ margin against us ..... Kiwis will be out.
What I saw yesterday is that Kane tried to prolong the game as much as possible and successfully took the game to last over; which was a bit foolish for PAK, because NRR against Kiwis is like double cut - had PAK won it inside 45 overs, the same equation against BD could have been 48 overs or 10-12 runs (because every over saved against Kiwis would have double impact, cutting their positive NRR as well).
Now I am sure, Kiwis will try to minimise loss margin against Poms & Aussies - most likely they are safe unless PAK really man handles Afghan talent.
NRR definitely matters & I think eventually it’ll cost PAK. Why you all are hell bent on getting Poms out when easier target is Kiwis. They have two games against ENG & AUS - and they’ll lose both comfortably to end on 11 points. PAK has two games on 7, but a horrible NRR for one game, but one easiest game in WC & one last pressure game. If they can smoke AFGs inside 20 overs, most likely PAK will need to win inside 40 overs or by 75+ margin against us ..... Kiwis will be out.
What I saw yesterday is that Kane tried to prolong the game as much as possible and successfully took the game to last over; which was a bit foolish for PAK, because NRR against Kiwis is like double cut - had PAK won it inside 45 overs, the same equation against BD could have been 48 overs or 10-12 runs (because every over saved against Kiwis would have double impact, cutting their positive NRR as well).
Now I am sure, Kiwis will try to minimise loss margin against Poms & Aussies - most likely they are safe unless PAK really man handles Afghan talent.
I think Bangladesh has more chance than Pakistan,if they are able to beat India..Bangladesh have healthy run rate and the match between pak and BD will be very tight ..just won’t be a pushover for either
Apologies for caps lock
Didnt realise till after! My keyboard had locks on....
Still stand by sentiment any extra tick on nrr would be potentially more worth it than silly milestones
Just goes to show lack of situational awareness from azam- Sohail had the right idea though!
Azam played brilliantly I agree and deserves all the plaudits but should have gone all out 4 overs out to help our run rate improve even marginally once match was virtually secured.
Even if we are unlikely to have to get through on nrr
V nz but one never knows. This is where common sense should have kicked in or team management should have
got message to azam....
thank you finally someone with some sense around here!!!!
It was obvious to me but for some reason not to everyone else! NZ have 2 matches left actually. If they can get beat by aussies easily as aussies would want to get 1 over them. And in the last england game nz could get smashed if its a flat pitch and england win toss and make 380 plus!!
And kudos to your sir for understanding that williamson was trying to keep the nrr at its best value compared to pak. And pak for some reason completely oblivious, not just team etc but also vast majority of fans!!
Now if Pak beat afghanistan and india beat england somehow. Plus aussies beat NZ the last match between england and nz would mean we could qualify if either team won!!!!! depending on nrr etc potentially...but we would have to beat bangla who look incredibly hard and our duds cant play quality spin, infact I am worried against afghanistan too!!!
NRR definitely matters & I think eventually it’ll cost PAK. Why you all are hell bent on getting Poms out when easier target is Kiwis. They have two games against ENG & AUS - and they’ll lose both comfortably to end on 11 points. PAK has two games on 7, but a horrible NRR for one game, but one easiest game in WC & one last pressure game. If they can smoke AFGs inside 20 overs, most likely PAK will need to win inside 40 overs or by 75+ margin against us ..... Kiwis will be out.
What I saw yesterday is that Kane tried to prolong the game as much as possible and successfully took the game to last over; which was a bit foolish for PAK, because NRR against Kiwis is like double cut - had PAK won it inside 45 overs, the same equation against BD could have been 48 overs or 10-12 runs (because every over saved against Kiwis would have double impact, cutting their positive NRR as well).
Now I am sure, Kiwis will try to minimise loss margin against Poms & Aussies - most likely they are safe unless PAK really man handles Afghan talent.
People are giving way too much credit to England and way less credit to NZ just because they lost to us.
NZ is a quality side and their pace bowling is the best in the tournament. They got a turning wicket today and lost. But I don’t expect them to succumb to England batting.
Actually PAK has a much better chance now before PAK-BD game. We have next game against IND, PAK has AFGs��.
So, most likely by PAK-BD game, they will be 2 points ahead; still both teams on if Poms lose out to IND, but if Poms win that takes BD out.
Also, PAK’s NRR will be fixed lot by next game if PCT management is doing calculations right now instead of believing in larke lenge style; I expect better from Arthur definitely.
If we indeed manage to beat a India, then there could be even a 3 way tie at 11 points between NZ, IND and winner of PAK/BD - in that case PAK will be in least favourable position - needing to beat BD almost by bonus point margin.
Right now, only Aussies are definitely in because not more than 3 teams can reach to 12 or more points any more - they are guaranteed for one of top 4 spots. Not bad for a bit “over-rated” team to make the cut first.
Let me ask you a question...When a team tries to chase let's say 350 target what's the best approach....I have heard the best way to go is to break it down in small portions and achieve that rather than going Gung Ho from ball 1.Thats what we are doing.Taking it deep.NRR needs fixing if need be but let's win our games first and then what will be required will be done.First thing is winning
All of this is fine and dandy but all these computations and calculations will come to nothing if a couple of matches are rained off. We won’t know until the final match who the fourth team is.
I believe by “we”, you are pointing to PAK - not sure when PAK was chasing 350. By the time rain saved PAK from further embarrassment against India, PAK should have gone crazy and make it like 245/9....
Coming to 350 chase - no, “methodical” approach won’t work when starting asking is 7+. Slogging has an elasticity - no matter how poor the bowling is, if fielding side holds on to catches, max you can chase is 170 in last 20. Even chasing 150 needs the target to be broken in pieces, so no strategy there, but chasing 350, you need to reach 200 by 31st, max 33rd over leaving 9/over target. Even Josh Buttler failed to keep up 9+ asking for just about 10-12 overs!!!!
Coming to PAK, yesterday when Babar hit 2 fours to reach 197/3, I thought PAK has got their maths done .... then they took it to last over FGS!!!! Winning inside 45 overs means 8 overs or around 45 runs gain (double cut - that would have cost Kiwis). People here were bashing Kane, but he knew exactly what he was doing - PAK was always 10-12 ahead in DWL and had 2 wickets caution once Babar-MoHa took it past 100 - without miracle, game was done. And, he kept PAK on field till 49’2 overs!!!!! Only mistake he might have done is taking off Santner - one more wicket before 150, you never know.
England could be on 12 points by Wednesday evening. Pak vs Ban could very well be a dead rubber.What a difference one week has made, suddenly the so called favorites like England and India are very vulnerable. Pakistan and Bangladesh will be the biggest game of this WC....
Actually PAK has a much better chance now before PAK-BD game. We have next game against IND, PAK has AFGs��.
So, most likely by PAK-BD game, they will be 2 points ahead; still both teams on if Poms lose out to IND, but if Poms win that takes BD out.
Also, PAK’s NRR will be fixed lot by next game if PCT management is doing calculations right now instead of believing in larke lenge style; I expect better from Arthur definitely.
If we indeed manage to beat a India, then there could be even a 3 way tie at 11 points between NZ, IND and winner of PAK/BD - in that case PAK will be in least favourable position - needing to beat BD almost by bonus point margin.
Right now, only Aussies are definitely in because not more than 3 teams can reach to 12 or more points any more - they are guaranteed for one of top 4 spots. Not bad for a bit “over-rated” team to make the cut first.
NRR definitely matters & I think eventually it’ll cost PAK. Why you all are hell bent on getting Poms out when easier target is Kiwis. They have two games against ENG & AUS - and they’ll lose both comfortably to end on 11 points. PAK has two games on 7, but a horrible NRR for one game, but one easiest game in WC & one last pressure game. If they can smoke AFGs inside 20 overs, most likely PAK will need to win inside 40 overs or by 75+ margin against us ..... Kiwis will be out..
After reading your guys posts about NRR, if we finish on the same points as New Zealand net run rate may cost us.
Come on India. Please do us a favour.![]()
No, it won't make up for the NRR difference. Keep in mind that NRR are now getting averaged over six games. So to gain one point (going from -0.9 to +0.1) requires close to 300 run margin of victories combined in two games. To put it in even more simple terms, if Pak is around -1.0 after six games (300 overs roughly), then we are 300 run behind the opponents overall. To get back to zero, we have to cover that deficit of 300 runs, and we have only two games left. Yes, batting second and winning in fewer overs change the equation little bit but only to some extent.
Pakistan's loss against WI was disastrous, both in terms of points and NRR and it'd take couple of similar victories to counter that.
Getting England out seems much more probable. If Eng can't beat Aus, Pak and SL, they should lose one of the next two games on current form, and deservedly would be booted out of the tournament.
After reading your guys posts about NRR, if we finish on the same points as New Zealand net run rate may cost us.
Come on India. Please do us a favour.![]()
That’s why I am disgusted with Midget to blow the game against Kiwis because that’s a straight 4 pointer. SRL washout wasn’t killer much because 1 point always helps. Same for PAK - despite alarming them many times (if PCT management doesn’t follow PP, then they are the dumbest people around), PAK blew half of their chances against WIN - just keeping WIN another 20 overs, by now PAK most likely would have been just two wins away from SF.... now Kiwis roughly needs to lose combined games by the cost of 95 overs or may be around 50 runs - whatever PAK does to AFGs, still they’ll need near impossible equation against BD.
Remember, now we have 7 games - that NRR has to be covered for 300 overs (one wash out each), hence every run or ball against AFG & BD will improve (or cost Kiwis in their 2 games) just by 33% (simply - make out of 6 games damage in 2 games).
Realistically, PAKs only chance is Poms losing both games, otherwise in last game (their game is after PAK-BD game), Kiwis will know exactly their defeat margin to advance. And to my astonishment, PAK kept 4 wickets at hand against India and 6 against Kiwis, but never tried to improve NRR, because this equation went above head - only remained is, India beating Poms, we are there.
If India has to do a favor for its neighbours, why not SL or BD?
Even SL like Pakistan have to win against SA and WI and then third match is against India
Favor the board that supports or favor the board that sues BCCI.
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No, it won't make up for the NRR difference. Keep in mind that NRR are now getting averaged over six games. So to gain one point (going from -0.9 to +0.1) requires close to 300 run margin of victories combined in two games. To put it in even more simple terms, if Pak is around -1.0 after six games (300 overs roughly), then we are 300 run behind the opponents overall. To get back to zero, we have to cover that deficit of 300 runs, and we have only two games left. Yes, batting second and winning in fewer overs change the equation little bit but only to some extent.
Pakistan's loss against WI was disastrous, both in terms of points and NRR and it'd take couple of similar victories to counter that.
Getting England out seems much more probable. If Eng can't beat Aus, Pak and SL, they should lose one of the next two games on current form, and deservedly would be booted out of the tournament.
That’s why I am disgusted with Midget to blow the game against Kiwis because that’s a straight 4 pointer. SRL washout wasn’t killer much because 1 point always helps. Same for PAK - despite alarming them many times (if PCT management doesn’t follow PP, then they are the dumbest people around), PAK blew half of their chances against WIN - just keeping WIN another 20 overs, by now PAK most likely would have been just two wins away from SF.... now Kiwis roughly needs to lose combined games by the cost of 95 overs or may be around 50 runs - whatever PAK does to AFGs, still they’ll need near impossible equation against BD.
Remember, now we have 7 games - that NRR has to be covered for 300 overs (one wash out each), hence every run or ball against AFG & BD will improve (or cost Kiwis in their 2 games) just by 33% (simply - make out of 6 games damage in 2 games).
Realistically, PAKs only chance is Poms losing both games, otherwise in last game (their game is after PAK-BD game), Kiwis will know exactly their defeat margin to advance. And to my astonishment, PAK kept 4 wickets at hand against India and 6 against Kiwis, but never tried to improve NRR, because this equation went above head - only remained is, India beating Poms, we are there.
paks path is easy now..all big teams are out of the way..we are not losing to 2 minnows
If we win our games and England we don't we will get through. Sri Lanka wont be India so they wont qualify. I like Sri Lanka but beating India won't be easy.
Also Sri Lanka will be underdogs for each of their 3 x remaining games, so I think there is more chance they will end up losing each one, than winning all 3.