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ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

UsmanhailsAfridi said:
Right. Just saying. I know some don’t want to play India in semis, if we make it I don’t think we will.

India hasn’t been challenged yet accept the afghan game.
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India has weaknesses just like other teams. Anyone can exploit on a given day. Especially with the loss of ICC tournament bully Dhawan they have become less potent with batting. They just rely on experience. I hope Pandya clicks in one of the match. He is in such striking form. But he is wasted down the order being unable to maximize his ability by spanking spinners. Same case with Maxie.
 
light said:
Pakistan in WC 1992
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won

Pakistan in WC 2019
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won

Well this is interesting. Coincidence? :O
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yea, coincidence. if u think that pakistan is any more special than any of the other teams that will make the semi-finals, then u must be watching a different game.
 
Pakistan's , Bangladesh's hopes hinge on India vs England match. There is no way this NZ is going to beat England at Chester-le-Street. England will crush them. Roy will be back. HE and Bairstow wreaked havoc against Australia last time. Plunkett will also be back. NZ just has to make sure they don't lose badly. So NZ might even accept graceful loss against England rather than going after win.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Pakistan's , Bangladesh's hopes hinge on India vs England match. There is no way this NZ is going to beat England at Chester-le-Street. England will crush them. Roy will be back. HE and Bairstow wreaked havoc against Australia last time. Plunkett will also be back. NZ just has to make sure they don't lose badly. So NZ might even accept graceful loss against England rather than going after win.
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England historically don’t handle pressure like this well. Their record speaks for itself. They are not India, Australia or Pakistan who have a history of comebacks. We will see.
 
Will Young should be given a chance after the WC.

He scored consecutive 100s against an Australian A team featuring their star players in Aus.

He probably would have been in the WC squad had he not needed surgery... ugh.. he was in great form..
 
I see us and NZ finishing at 11 points (with Eng winning against both India and NZ) which will make the dreaded NRR into play. Let's hope we not only win against Afg and BD but with comfortable margin.
 
People are giving way too much credit to England and way less credit to NZ just because they lost to us.
NZ is a quality side and their pace bowling is the best in the tournament. They got a turning wicket today and lost. But I don’t expect them to succumb to England batting.
 
Stewie said:
People are giving way too much credit to England and way less credit to NZ just because they lost to us.
NZ is a quality side and their pace bowling is the best in the tournament. They got a turning wicket today and lost. But I don’t expect them to succumb to England batting.
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Nah, our batting is hopeless and we haven't played well this tournament. It's a bit much to expect them to get it together with 2-3 games left. We're going to be the walk over Semi.
 
light said:
Pakistan in WC 1992
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won

Pakistan in WC 2019
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won

Well this is interesting. Coincidence? :O
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If it continues then Sarfaraz Ahmed will become Pak's PM one day. 🙂
 
SL and Eng needs to lose. We will beat the two minnows and We will be in Semi

But Eng and SL not in Pak hand
 
Pakistan vs Bangladesh is going to be a terrific match. Excited. Eng vs nz, nz vs Aus, Ind vs eng this world cup is as good a well written thriller.
 
baggy blue said:
Pakistan vs Bangladesh is going to be a terrific match. Excited. Eng vs nz, nz vs Aus, Ind vs eng this world cup is as good a well written thriller.
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Ind vs Eng will be a thriller for BD/Pak fans more than indian fans assuming India beats WI today.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Ind vs Eng will be a thriller for BD/Pak fans more than indian fans assuming India beats WI today.
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Have a feeling England will manage to beat India, making the BD/Pak game a dead rubber. And that's when that game gets really difficult for Pakistan.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Have a feeling England will manage to beat India, making the BD/Pak game a dead rubber. And that's when that game gets really difficult for Pakistan.
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NZ can lose both of their matches badly and Pak winning comprehensively. Not sure about the exact calculation.
 
Aman said:
Nah, our batting is hopeless and we haven't played well this tournament. It's a bit much to expect them to get it together with 2-3 games left. We're going to be the walk over Semi.
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Munro is a waste of space. I would rather Williamson open the batting for NZ and for NZ to play Ish Sodhi for an extra bowling option.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
NZ can lose both of their matches badly and Pak winning comprehensively. Not sure about the exact calculation.
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NZ is not crashing out.

Not sure why everyone expects an under pressure England team to suddenly start dominating the in-form teams in this WC. This is a World Cup, not a bilateral series. England will have to play out of their skins to get to 12 points IMO.
 
Usman Chadda said:
NZ is not crashing out.

Not sure why everyone expects an under pressure England team to suddenly start dominating the in-form teams in this WC. This is a World Cup, not a bilateral series. England will have to play out of their skins to get to 12 points IMO.
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IN all the three matches they lost Plunkett did not play. I guess they will bring him back. First step. Second step they will bring back Roy. This new guy sucks so bad.
 
Yes Pakistan should keep their feet grounded if only they had held their nerve against Aus
they should plan for AFG now foeget about whats happening elsewhere
 
Well who knows what will happen.

What makes me happy about reading these threads is that the tournament is alive and kicking.

Great World Cup.
 
If pak manages to win 4 in a row already beat NZ they will done all they could have done.

Thats all we ask for.

Go out and beat afghans and the bangla teams!!
 
Aman said:
We're not beating England.

India should beat them, if they don't you better hope Aus and England smash us bad.
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India beating Eng is indeed Pak's best chance, as Nzl is pretty safe from net-run-rate standpoint.

Based on Pak and Nzl current NRR (and the runs scored and conceded), one of the scenarios where Pakistan can get ahead of NZL is by scoring 300 more runs than B'desh and Afg combined, while Nzl will have to score 240 fewer runs against Ind and Eng combined. Very improbable.
 
captain.hansolo said:
yea, coincidence. if u think that pakistan is any more special than any of the other teams that will make the semi-finals, then u must be watching a different game.
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Either you did not understand the meaning of my post or just trying to be a troll.
 
pakpassfan said:
paks path is easy now..all big teams are out of the way..we are not losing to 2 minnows
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if you think BD is playing like minnows in this WC, you must be watching a different wc than the rest of us cricket fans. Give it a rest with the minnow ...
 
angeldsoul said:
i WOULD HAVE GIVEN bABAR A BOLLOCKING FOR NOT TRYING TO FINISH THE MATCH EARLIER, F THE CENTURY AN EXTRA FEW DECIMAL POUNTS COULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US QUALIFYING OR NOT ON NET RUN RATE, SPECIALLY IF NZ LOSE NEXT THREE. IT CAN HAPPEN!!!

oNLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE NRR WITH 3 OVERS TO GO. i CANT BELIEVE HE PLAYED OUT 4 DOTS I WOULD HAVE HAD HIM FLOGGED AS MANAGER FOR THAT IN PRIVATE!!! ONE MATCH WAS SECURE WITH 4/5 OVERS THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE ALL OUT TO FINISH WITH 2 OVERS LEFT RATHER THAN TAKE IT DEEP. AN EXTRA FEW TICKS ON US AND LESS ON NZ MAY END UP BEING THE DIFFEREMCE......
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That RR does not matter all that much at this point. If england wins two, its game over either way. If england doesn't win two, sl messes up, it will be a do or die match between bd v pak. Points more valuable than NRR at this point.
 
What is the equation for Sri Lanka? Dont they also have a chance of replacing us even if we win both our matches?
 
Jin Chacha said:
What is the equation for Sri Lanka? Dont they also have a chance of replacing us even if we win both our matches?
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They need to either win all 3 matches (sa,wi,ind), or win 2 matches & hope england loses both & Pak/BD lose one.
 
aqeelPK said:
They need to either win all 3 matches (sa,wi,ind), or win 2 matches & hope england loses both & Pak/BD lose one.
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Thanks. Despite their current form I would fancy Sri Lanka against SA and Wi so this could still be a close thing.
 
Ideal case for Pakistan:

England loses to India.

NZ loses to England and Australia.

Pakistan can get to the third place if they have a better NRR than New Zealand.
 
Apologies for caps lock
Didnt realise till after! My keyboard had locks on....

Still stand by sentiment any extra tick on nrr would be potentially more worth it than silly milestones

Just goes to show lack of situational awareness from azam- Sohail had the right idea though!

Azam played brilliantly I agree and deserves all the plaudits but should have gone all out 4 overs out to help our run rate improve even marginally once match was virtually secured.

Even if we are unlikely to have to get through on nrr
V nz but one never knows. This is where common sense should have kicked in or team management should have
got message to azam....
 
light said:
That RR does not matter all that much at this point. If england wins two, its game over either way. If england doesn't win two, sl messes up, it will be a do or die match between bd v pak. Points more valuable than NRR at this point.
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NRR definitely matters & I think eventually it’ll cost PAK. Why you all are hell bent on getting Poms out when easier target is Kiwis. They have two games against ENG & AUS - and they’ll lose both comfortably to end on 11 points. PAK has two games on 7, but a horrible NRR for one game, but one easiest game in WC & one last pressure game. If they can smoke AFGs inside 20 overs, most likely PAK will need to win inside 40 overs or by 75+ margin against us ..... Kiwis will be out.

What I saw yesterday is that Kane tried to prolong the game as much as possible and successfully took the game to last over; which was a bit foolish for PAK, because NRR against Kiwis is like double cut - had PAK won it inside 45 overs, the same equation against BD could have been 48 overs or 10-12 runs (because every over saved against Kiwis would have double impact, cutting their positive NRR as well).

Now I am sure, Kiwis will try to minimise loss margin against Poms & Aussies - most likely they are safe unless PAK really man handles Afghan talent.
 
MMHS said:
NRR definitely matters & I think eventually it’ll cost PAK. Why you all are hell bent on getting Poms out when easier target is Kiwis. They have two games against ENG & AUS - and they’ll lose both comfortably to end on 11 points. PAK has two games on 7, but a horrible NRR for one game, but one easiest game in WC & one last pressure game. If they can smoke AFGs inside 20 overs, most likely PAK will need to win inside 40 overs or by 75+ margin against us ..... Kiwis will be out.

What I saw yesterday is that Kane tried to prolong the game as much as possible and successfully took the game to last over; which was a bit foolish for PAK, because NRR against Kiwis is like double cut - had PAK won it inside 45 overs, the same equation against BD could have been 48 overs or 10-12 runs (because every over saved against Kiwis would have double impact, cutting their positive NRR as well).



Now I am sure, Kiwis will try to minimise loss margin against Poms & Aussies - most likely they are safe unless PAK really man handles Afghan talent.
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I think Bangladesh has more chance than Pakistan,if they are able to beat India..Bangladesh have healthy run rate and the match between pak and BD will be very tight ..just won’t be a pushover for either
 
MMHS said:
NRR definitely matters & I think eventually it’ll cost PAK. Why you all are hell bent on getting Poms out when easier target is Kiwis. They have two games against ENG & AUS - and they’ll lose both comfortably to end on 11 points. PAK has two games on 7, but a horrible NRR for one game, but one easiest game in WC & one last pressure game. If they can smoke AFGs inside 20 overs, most likely PAK will need to win inside 40 overs or by 75+ margin against us ..... Kiwis will be out.

What I saw yesterday is that Kane tried to prolong the game as much as possible and successfully took the game to last over; which was a bit foolish for PAK, because NRR against Kiwis is like double cut - had PAK won it inside 45 overs, the same equation against BD could have been 48 overs or 10-12 runs (because every over saved against Kiwis would have double impact, cutting their positive NRR as well).

Now I am sure, Kiwis will try to minimise loss margin against Poms & Aussies - most likely they are safe unless PAK really man handles Afghan talent.
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thank you finally someone with some sense around here!!!!
It was obvious to me but for some reason not to everyone else! NZ have 2 matches left actually. If they can get beat by aussies easily as aussies would want to get 1 over them. And in the last england game nz could get smashed if its a flat pitch and england win toss and make 380 plus!!

And kudos to your sir for understanding that williamson was trying to keep the nrr at its best value compared to pak. And pak for some reason completely oblivious, not just team etc but also vast majority of fans!!

Now if Pak beat afghanistan and india beat england somehow. Plus aussies beat NZ the last match between england and nz would mean we could qualify if either team won!!!!! depending on nrr etc potentially...but we would have to beat bangla who look incredibly hard and our duds cant play quality spin, infact I am worried against afghanistan too!!!
 
cricket.mad said:
I think Bangladesh has more chance than Pakistan,if they are able to beat India..Bangladesh have healthy run rate and the match between pak and BD will be very tight ..just won’t be a pushover for either
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Actually PAK has a much better chance now before PAK-BD game. We have next game against IND, PAK has AFGs😩.

So, most likely by PAK-BD game, they will be 2 points ahead; still both teams on if Poms lose out to IND, but if Poms win that takes BD out.

Also, PAK’s NRR will be fixed lot by next game if PCT management is doing calculations right now instead of believing in larke lenge style; I expect better from Arthur definitely.

If we indeed manage to beat a India, then there could be even a 3 way tie at 11 points between NZ, IND and winner of PAK/BD - in that case PAK will be in least favourable position - needing to beat BD almost by bonus point margin.

Right now, only Aussies are definitely in because not more than 3 teams can reach to 12 or more points any more - they are guaranteed for one of top 4 spots. Not bad for a bit “over-rated” team to make the cut first.
 
angeldsoul said:
Apologies for caps lock
Didnt realise till after! My keyboard had locks on....

Still stand by sentiment any extra tick on nrr would be potentially more worth it than silly milestones

Just goes to show lack of situational awareness from azam- Sohail had the right idea though!

Azam played brilliantly I agree and deserves all the plaudits but should have gone all out 4 overs out to help our run rate improve even marginally once match was virtually secured.

Even if we are unlikely to have to get through on nrr
V nz but one never knows. This is where common sense should have kicked in or team management should have
got message to azam....
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Are you for real...You would have been first criticizing him if he went all out and got dismissed.Just look at India they are trying to win games rather than fix runrate.Its a safety first approach for us.Look at Eng.They went for their shots against Australia when the pitch and innings demanded a restrained approach.Even Morgan mentioned they may have to tweak their approach.So I think Babar and Harris played exceptionally considering the pitch and the match situation.
 
angeldsoul said:
thank you finally someone with some sense around here!!!!
It was obvious to me but for some reason not to everyone else! NZ have 2 matches left actually. If they can get beat by aussies easily as aussies would want to get 1 over them. And in the last england game nz could get smashed if its a flat pitch and england win toss and make 380 plus!!

And kudos to your sir for understanding that williamson was trying to keep the nrr at its best value compared to pak. And pak for some reason completely oblivious, not just team etc but also vast majority of fans!!

Now if Pak beat afghanistan and india beat england somehow. Plus aussies beat NZ the last match between england and nz would mean we could qualify if either team won!!!!! depending on nrr etc potentially...but we would have to beat bangla who look incredibly hard and our duds cant play quality spin, infact I am worried against afghanistan too!!!
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That’s why I am disgusted with Midget to blow the game against Kiwis because that’s a straight 4 pointer. SRL washout wasn’t killer much because 1 point always helps. Same for PAK - despite alarming them many times (if PCT management doesn’t follow PP, then they are the dumbest people around), PAK blew half of their chances against WIN - just keeping WIN another 20 overs, by now PAK most likely would have been just two wins away from SF.... now Kiwis roughly needs to lose combined games by the cost of 95 overs or may be around 50 runs - whatever PAK does to AFGs, still they’ll need near impossible equation against BD.

Remember, now we have 7 games - that NRR has to be covered for 300 overs (one wash out each), hence every run or ball against AFG & BD will improve (or cost Kiwis in their 2 games) just by 33% (simply - make out of 6 games damage in 2 games).

Realistically, PAKs only chance is Poms losing both games, otherwise in last game (their game is after PAK-BD game), Kiwis will know exactly their defeat margin to advance. And to my astonishment, PAK kept 4 wickets at hand against India and 6 against Kiwis, but never tried to improve NRR, because this equation went above head - only remained is, India beating Poms, we are there.
 
MMHS said:
NRR definitely matters & I think eventually it’ll cost PAK. Why you all are hell bent on getting Poms out when easier target is Kiwis. They have two games against ENG & AUS - and they’ll lose both comfortably to end on 11 points. PAK has two games on 7, but a horrible NRR for one game, but one easiest game in WC & one last pressure game. If they can smoke AFGs inside 20 overs, most likely PAK will need to win inside 40 overs or by 75+ margin against us ..... Kiwis will be out.

What I saw yesterday is that Kane tried to prolong the game as much as possible and successfully took the game to last over; which was a bit foolish for PAK, because NRR against Kiwis is like double cut - had PAK won it inside 45 overs, the same equation against BD could have been 48 overs or 10-12 runs (because every over saved against Kiwis would have double impact, cutting their positive NRR as well).

Now I am sure, Kiwis will try to minimise loss margin against Poms & Aussies - most likely they are safe unless PAK really man handles Afghan talent.
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Let me ask you a question...When a team tries to chase let's say 350 target what's the best approach....I have heard the best way to go is to break it down in small portions and achieve that rather than going Gung Ho from ball 1.Thats what we are doing.Taking it deep.NRR needs fixing if need be but let's win our games first and then what will be required will be done.First thing is winning
 
Stewie said:
People are giving way too much credit to England and way less credit to NZ just because they lost to us.
NZ is a quality side and their pace bowling is the best in the tournament. They got a turning wicket today and lost. But I don’t expect them to succumb to England batting.
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Yes but pace bowling alone is not gonna cut it on used slow pitches. All teams need good express bowlers and good spinners upfront.
 
MMHS said:
Actually PAK has a much better chance now before PAK-BD game. We have next game against IND, PAK has AFGs��.

So, most likely by PAK-BD game, they will be 2 points ahead; still both teams on if Poms lose out to IND, but if Poms win that takes BD out.

Also, PAK’s NRR will be fixed lot by next game if PCT management is doing calculations right now instead of believing in larke lenge style; I expect better from Arthur definitely.

If we indeed manage to beat a India, then there could be even a 3 way tie at 11 points between NZ, IND and winner of PAK/BD - in that case PAK will be in least favourable position - needing to beat BD almost by bonus point margin.

Right now, only Aussies are definitely in because not more than 3 teams can reach to 12 or more points any more - they are guaranteed for one of top 4 spots. Not bad for a bit “over-rated” team to make the cut first.
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All of this is fine and dandy but all these computations and calculations will come to nothing if a couple of matches are rained off. We won’t know until the final match who the fourth team is.
 
Gullycricket said:
Let me ask you a question...When a team tries to chase let's say 350 target what's the best approach....I have heard the best way to go is to break it down in small portions and achieve that rather than going Gung Ho from ball 1.Thats what we are doing.Taking it deep.NRR needs fixing if need be but let's win our games first and then what will be required will be done.First thing is winning
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I believe by “we”, you are pointing to PAK - not sure when PAK was chasing 350. By the time rain saved PAK from further embarrassment against India, PAK should have gone crazy and make it like 245/9....

Coming to 350 chase - no, “methodical” approach won’t work when starting asking is 7+. Slogging has an elasticity - no matter how poor the bowling is, if fielding side holds on to catches, max you can chase is 170 in last 20. Even chasing 150 needs the target to be broken in pieces, so no strategy there, but chasing 350, you need to reach 200 by 31st, max 33rd over leaving 9/over target. Even Josh Buttler failed to keep up 9+ asking for just about 10-12 overs!!!!

Coming to PAK, yesterday when Babar hit 2 fours to reach 197/3, I thought PAK has got their maths done .... then they took it to last over FGS!!!! Winning inside 45 overs means 8 overs or around 45 runs gain (double cut - that would have cost Kiwis). People here were bashing Kane, but he knew exactly what he was doing - PAK was always 10-12 ahead in DWL and had 2 wickets caution once Babar-MoHa took it past 100 - without miracle, game was done. And, he kept PAK on field till 49’2 overs!!!!! Only mistake he might have done is taking off Santner - one more wicket before 150, you never know.
 
Abid Z said:
All of this is fine and dandy but all these computations and calculations will come to nothing if a couple of matches are rained off. We won’t know until the final match who the fourth team is.
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Then let’s start rain dance then - Allah Malik, pani they, pani they ....
 
What a difference one week has made, suddenly the so called favorites like England and India are very vulnerable. Pakistan and Bangladesh will be the biggest game of this WC....
 
MMHS said:
I believe by “we”, you are pointing to PAK - not sure when PAK was chasing 350. By the time rain saved PAK from further embarrassment against India, PAK should have gone crazy and make it like 245/9....

Coming to 350 chase - no, “methodical” approach won’t work when starting asking is 7+. Slogging has an elasticity - no matter how poor the bowling is, if fielding side holds on to catches, max you can chase is 170 in last 20. Even chasing 150 needs the target to be broken in pieces, so no strategy there, but chasing 350, you need to reach 200 by 31st, max 33rd over leaving 9/over target. Even Josh Buttler failed to keep up 9+ asking for just about 10-12 overs!!!!

Coming to PAK, yesterday when Babar hit 2 fours to reach 197/3, I thought PAK has got their maths done .... then they took it to last over FGS!!!! Winning inside 45 overs means 8 overs or around 45 runs gain (double cut - that would have cost Kiwis). People here were bashing Kane, but he knew exactly what he was doing - PAK was always 10-12 ahead in DWL and had 2 wickets caution once Babar-MoHa took it past 100 - without miracle, game was done. And, he kept PAK on field till 49’2 overs!!!!! Only mistake he might have done is taking off Santner - one more wicket before 150, you never know.
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Both teams were playing out of their skins. I don’t think anybody even thought About run rates and the next game. In fact with Sarfaraz there and two runs to get it still wasn’t a fore gone conclusion that we would win. Let’s all just focus on good cricket regardless of who ends up being no 4 team. But suddenly all the matches have great significance with the Bangladesh matches being the biggest of the lot.
 
Aint the head to head will be taken into equation first then NRR

Pakistan needs not to worry about NRR their focus should be on winning games rest the Destiny will take care
 
someone21 said:
What a difference one week has made, suddenly the so called favorites like England and India are very vulnerable. Pakistan and Bangladesh will be the biggest game of this WC....
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England could be on 12 points by Wednesday evening. Pak vs Ban could very well be a dead rubber.
 
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MMHS said:
Actually PAK has a much better chance now before PAK-BD game. We have next game against IND, PAK has AFGs��.

So, most likely by PAK-BD game, they will be 2 points ahead; still both teams on if Poms lose out to IND, but if Poms win that takes BD out.

Also, PAK’s NRR will be fixed lot by next game if PCT management is doing calculations right now instead of believing in larke lenge style; I expect better from Arthur definitely.

If we indeed manage to beat a India, then there could be even a 3 way tie at 11 points between NZ, IND and winner of PAK/BD - in that case PAK will be in least favourable position - needing to beat BD almost by bonus point margin.

Right now, only Aussies are definitely in because not more than 3 teams can reach to 12 or more points any more - they are guaranteed for one of top 4 spots. Not bad for a bit “over-rated” team to make the cut first.
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Not sure why exactly but [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has got this one totally wrong.

Australia will not LOSE the World Cup 2019.

Some team has got to play "out of their skins to run away with the WC with Aus as contender".

Australia can never be over rated at any 50 over World Cup.
 
After reading your guys posts about NRR, if we finish on the same points as New Zealand net run rate may cost us.

Come on India. Please do us a favour. :(
 
MMHS said:
NRR definitely matters & I think eventually it’ll cost PAK. Why you all are hell bent on getting Poms out when easier target is Kiwis. They have two games against ENG & AUS - and they’ll lose both comfortably to end on 11 points. PAK has two games on 7, but a horrible NRR for one game, but one easiest game in WC & one last pressure game. If they can smoke AFGs inside 20 overs, most likely PAK will need to win inside 40 overs or by 75+ margin against us ..... Kiwis will be out..
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No, it won't make up for the NRR difference. Keep in mind that NRR are now getting averaged over six games. So to gain one point (going from -0.9 to +0.1) requires close to 300 run margin of victories combined in two games. To put it in even more simple terms, if Pak is around -1.0 after six games (300 overs roughly), then we are 300 run behind the opponents overall. To get back to zero, we have to cover that deficit of 300 runs, and we have only two games left. Yes, batting second and winning in fewer overs change the equation little bit but only to some extent.

Pakistan's loss against WI was disastrous, both in terms of points and NRR and it'd take couple of similar victories to counter that.

Getting England out seems much more probable. If Eng can't beat Aus, Pak and SL, they should lose one of the next two games on current form, and deservedly would be booted out of the tournament.
 
Hasan123 said:
After reading your guys posts about NRR, if we finish on the same points as New Zealand net run rate may cost us.

Come on India. Please do us a favour. :(
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India would be doing itself a favor, knocking England out of the cup. They have every reasons to go hard at England making sure they will likely not face England in this World Cup again.
 
NA said:
No, it won't make up for the NRR difference. Keep in mind that NRR are now getting averaged over six games. So to gain one point (going from -0.9 to +0.1) requires close to 300 run margin of victories combined in two games. To put it in even more simple terms, if Pak is around -1.0 after six games (300 overs roughly), then we are 300 run behind the opponents overall. To get back to zero, we have to cover that deficit of 300 runs, and we have only two games left. Yes, batting second and winning in fewer overs change the equation little bit but only to some extent.

Pakistan's loss against WI was disastrous, both in terms of points and NRR and it'd take couple of similar victories to counter that.

Getting England out seems much more probable. If Eng can't beat Aus, Pak and SL, they should lose one of the next two games on current form, and deservedly would be booted out of the tournament.
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Yeah I think so too. If SL lose tmrw, I think we can almost confirm IND and NZ as semifinalists . There is only a tiny possibility of NZ getting smashed completely innteo games and Pakistan winning massively in the next two games. BD have tougher opponents and India, even if they lose big to England , still have to play BD and SL.
 
Hasan123 said:
After reading your guys posts about NRR, if we finish on the same points as New Zealand net run rate may cost us.

Come on India. Please do us a favour. :(
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If India has to do a favor for its neighbours, why not SL or BD?
Even SL like Pakistan have to win against SA and WI and then third match is against India :))
Favor the board that supports or favor the board that sues BCCI.
:))
 
MMHS said:
That’s why I am disgusted with Midget to blow the game against Kiwis because that’s a straight 4 pointer. SRL washout wasn’t killer much because 1 point always helps. Same for PAK - despite alarming them many times (if PCT management doesn’t follow PP, then they are the dumbest people around), PAK blew half of their chances against WIN - just keeping WIN another 20 overs, by now PAK most likely would have been just two wins away from SF.... now Kiwis roughly needs to lose combined games by the cost of 95 overs or may be around 50 runs - whatever PAK does to AFGs, still they’ll need near impossible equation against BD.

Remember, now we have 7 games - that NRR has to be covered for 300 overs (one wash out each), hence every run or ball against AFG & BD will improve (or cost Kiwis in their 2 games) just by 33% (simply - make out of 6 games damage in 2 games).

Realistically, PAKs only chance is Poms losing both games, otherwise in last game (their game is after PAK-BD game), Kiwis will know exactly their defeat margin to advance. And to my astonishment, PAK kept 4 wickets at hand against India and 6 against Kiwis, but never tried to improve NRR, because this equation went above head - only remained is, India beating Poms, we are there.
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Read all your posts on this topic. Excellent analysis and well explained. I am surprised there is no one in the team management to work this out. Once it is certain that your team is either going to win or lose, you have to accelerate without fearing loss of wickets, because wickets do not matter in NRR scenario.
At 200 for 3 it should have been finished in the next 3 -4 overs. That would have been a double whammy to NZ NRR, the only team with which Pakistan will face a NRR battle to qualify.
Pretty poor team management and very poor cricketing sense by Pakistan. Williamson on the other side, is a mathematician, a skill must in such tournaments.

Best option now is England losing one of the two games.
 
Mp812 said:
If India has to do a favor for its neighbours, why not SL or BD?
Even SL like Pakistan have to win against SA and WI and then third match is against India :))
Favor the board that supports or favor the board that sues BCCI.
:))
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If we win our games and England we don't we will get through. Sri Lanka wont be India so they wont qualify. I like Sri Lanka but beating India won't be easy.
 
NA said:
No, it won't make up for the NRR difference. Keep in mind that NRR are now getting averaged over six games. So to gain one point (going from -0.9 to +0.1) requires close to 300 run margin of victories combined in two games. To put it in even more simple terms, if Pak is around -1.0 after six games (300 overs roughly), then we are 300 run behind the opponents overall. To get back to zero, we have to cover that deficit of 300 runs, and we have only two games left. Yes, batting second and winning in fewer overs change the equation little bit but only to some extent.

Pakistan's loss against WI was disastrous, both in terms of points and NRR and it'd take couple of similar victories to counter that.

Getting England out seems much more probable. If Eng can't beat Aus, Pak and SL, they should lose one of the next two games on current form, and deservedly would be booted out of the tournament.
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So basically if it both NZ and somehow Pak land up on 11 points... Need 150 run margin wins against Afg and BD ( BD spinners are good at choking opposition runs).
or Bowl them both teams out for 150 and score 150 in 25 overs.
and then wait for other results to go Pakistan's way.
Blood pressure of Pakistan fans must fluctuate a lot... One minute low BP other minute high BP :))
 
England lose one of their remaining two matches and Pakistan win both, we will get through.

No way NZ and India are not qualifying for the semis.
 
All this talk about India doing a favour to Pakistan. I don't think Pakistan is looking for any favors from india and if India does try to deliberately lose a game against any opponent this will do more harm to India and their momentum than anyone else. I don't believe they will want to risk that.
 
MMHS said:
That’s why I am disgusted with Midget to blow the game against Kiwis because that’s a straight 4 pointer. SRL washout wasn’t killer much because 1 point always helps. Same for PAK - despite alarming them many times (if PCT management doesn’t follow PP, then they are the dumbest people around), PAK blew half of their chances against WIN - just keeping WIN another 20 overs, by now PAK most likely would have been just two wins away from SF.... now Kiwis roughly needs to lose combined games by the cost of 95 overs or may be around 50 runs - whatever PAK does to AFGs, still they’ll need near impossible equation against BD.

Remember, now we have 7 games - that NRR has to be covered for 300 overs (one wash out each), hence every run or ball against AFG & BD will improve (or cost Kiwis in their 2 games) just by 33% (simply - make out of 6 games damage in 2 games).

Realistically, PAKs only chance is Poms losing both games, otherwise in last game (their game is after PAK-BD game), Kiwis will know exactly their defeat margin to advance. And to my astonishment, PAK kept 4 wickets at hand against India and 6 against Kiwis, but never tried to improve NRR, because this equation went above head - only remained is, India beating Poms, we are there.
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One correction. Kiwis games are before Pak v BD. So Pakistan will know what to do against Bangladesh. It may be improbable but Pak will know.

NZ will try to minimize the impact but will not have a target.
 
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pakpassfan said:
paks path is easy now..all big teams are out of the way..we are not losing to 2 minnows
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Nah don't get complacent. Still a lot of work to do. It's nice not having to play Aus and India, but given how we play spin, I would say Afghanistan on the right wicket and on their day could turn over Pakistan. Bangladesh game will not be easy and in my opinion is 50/50.
 
Hasan123 said:
If we win our games and England we don't we will get through. Sri Lanka wont be India so they wont qualify. I like Sri Lanka but beating India won't be easy.
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Also Sri Lanka will be underdogs for each of their 3 x remaining games, so I think there is more chance they will end up losing each one, than winning all 3.
 
New Zealand has a pretty vulnerable batting line up. Guptill is not in form and it's just a matter of losing Kane and Taylor in quick succession against a good team and they can find themselves scoring a low total unlike against Pakistan who let the game away after getting those players. New Zealand is playing their next games against India and England both teams very capable of beating them with a huge margin. Newzealand's matches before Pakistan were against weak opponents and this allowed them to build a nice momentum however the team is not as good as the stats show because of their weaknesses in batting.

Pakistan on the other hand has an opportunity to up their NRR specially when they play Afghanistan and if they can beat Bangladesh they will put themselves in a very strong position to qualify to semis.

One way or the other whether it's England or newzealand that we are up against when it comes to qualifying for semis Pakistan has a good chance. All Pakistan needs to do is win their two games.
 
All of England, NZ, India, BD, PAK would be watching tmrws match and going for SL loss. In that sense SA Vs SL is very crucial . An SL loss almost guarantees India and NZ a semifinal spot each. After that all teams would focus on India -ENG . PAK, BD and NZ would want India to win. India beating England would then confirm qualifications for India and NZ and PAK/BD don't have to rely on NRR. SL losing tmrw is more important for all of us . :ashwin
 
topspin said:
Also Sri Lanka will be underdogs for each of their 3 x remaining games, so I think there is more chance they will end up losing each one, than winning all 3.
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If SriLankan is to win those games Malinga has to repeat the performance he showed against England. How likely is that?
 
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