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ICC World Cup 2023: Australia v South Africa | 2nd Semi Final | Kolkata | 16 November | Match Discussion

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Sunzi said:
That maybe so, but the thought didn't even cross Bavuma's mind.

Can't be one-dimensional and rely on qudrat ka nizaam.
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Our conditions/pitches are a little too diverse to allow one-paced cricket especially with these newer versions of kookaburra balls . Said this in a World Cup preview thread.


Any team that looks to "Bazball" or "Pakistan Way" for 50 overs or claim to not have a "chasing template " will all get found out at various stages.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Our conditions/pitches are a little too diverse to allow one-paced cricket especially with these newer versions of kookaburra balls . Said this in a World Cup preview thread.


Any team that looks to "Bazball" or "Pakistan Way" for 50 overs or claim to not have a "chasing template " will all get found out at various stages.
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You have to adapt. If Australia won the toss they would have batted first for sure. Chasing is always tricky in a semi final.
 
soso_killer said:
Australia were 5 down in similar conditions though. Sure it was a chase but the conditions are similar
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But that was a dead rubber where guys like Naveen swung beautifully. Also they had potent forces like Rashid khan and other type of spinners. SA has none of that. Erratic Jansen, Hit the deck Rabada.
 
Watching all 10 overs i have to say SA allowed them to bowl wherever they want to bowl. No initiative to disturb their line and length. They were sitting ducks with no decisive feet movement. You could say loss of bavuma first over played a role. This is why an unfit Bavuma should have never batted.
 
Okay all is not lost for SA. These two have to find whatever resolve within them and put up a total.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
There is no way Jansen/Rabada going to do what they did. Jansen is very raw erratic. Coetze is also hit the deck bowler. So is Rabada. Australia would have raced away.
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I disagree with you and rate the SA attack much higher especially KG. Alas, there's no way of knowing what would have actually happened. Regardless one must give due weightage to conditions which the South Africans likely did not. Also your post implicitly acknowledges the skill of the Australian bowlers. So why let them use such helpful conditions?
 
amvbfm said:
I disagree with you and rate the SA attack much higher especially KG. Alas, there's no way of knowing what would have actually happened. Regardless one must give due weightage to conditions which the South Africans likely did not. Also your post implicitly acknowledges the skill of the Australian bowlers. So why let them use such helpful conditions?
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Australian bowing will be more dangerous when they defend?
 
SA even in league stage looked like deer caught in headlights whenever they chased. On this very ground bowled out for 84 runs. If they did the same people would have sung a different tune "They should have batted first".
 
viking2559 said:
Lol obviously you can win the world cup with rigging.

Rigged toss rigged pitches rigged umpires.
Everything is in your favour here in this cheating country.LOL.
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Sour grapes. ICC rigged pitches (ENG vs PAK) and NZ vs SL. These 2 were among top 3 spinning surfaces in the World Cup .

Not out fault that neither you nor your minions SL could help you qualify for the World Cup semis .
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Dude. What present condition? These are not unplayable conditions. They were playing like kittens.
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Lets agree to disagree friend. The game I am watching, the ball is swinging, much more than it has in any other game I have watched in this WC. Yes the Australians are skillful but you are grossly underestimating the skills of Rabada and Jansen while at the same time making the Aussie top order sound invincible, which they certainly aren't. If anything the Aussie top 3 are equally vulnerable in such conditions.
 
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amvbfm said:
Lets agree to disagree friend. The game I am watching, the ball is swinging, much more than it has in any other game I have watched in this WC. Yes the Australians are skillful but you are grossly underestimating the skills of Rabada and Jansen while at the same time making the Aussie top order sound invincible, which they certainly aren't. If anything the Aussie top 3 are equally vulnerable in such conditions.
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lol Jansen moment Rohit stepped down the wicket bowled 5 wides on this ground. He was all over the shop whenver batsmen advaanced down the wicket. YOu think Travis head is going to bat like that?
 
If i were SA batsmen, they should see off Hazlewood and go after less threatening Cummins and their 5th bowler.
 
Irfan Pathan: "If Temba Bavuma was not the captain, there is no way he would be selected"
 
SA batsmen batted exactly like this against Netherlands when they chased. That was just run of the mill stuff. They got into a shell and collapsed.
 
15 over bowled by Starcand Hazlewood together that's extreme fitness, SA should keep this in mind they will get time should bat 50 overs
 
Temba Bavuma said during toss 'i am not 100 percent fit' then why he Played Today?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
lol Jansen moment Rohit stepped down the wicket bowled 5 wides on this ground. He was all over the shop whenver batsmen advaanced down the wicket. YOu think Travis head is going to bat like that?
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If its the Travis Head who was squared by Naveen, and castled by Taskin we talking about then sure I think Jansen and Rabada would have been a handful to him in these conditions.
 
Devadwal said:
Temba Bavuma said during toss 'i am not 100 percent fit' then why he Played Today?
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To make sure his team go down in flames. It is pathetic. Gill was struggling to run. Rohit immediately sent someone out to tell Gill to come back. These guys even if they are not 100% fit they go and play anyway. Bavuma is not exactly David warner to play like that
 
In the first 13 overs ,

Hazlewood - 89 % good and back of a length deliveries . 11% bouncers. 0 % full

Starc - 67% good or back of length.

Barely anything full even from Starc.

Australia have been ridiculously accurate and looked to control the rate and build pressure.
 
amvbfm said:
If its the Travis Head who was squared by Naveen, and castled by Taskin we talking about then sure I think Jansen and Rabada would have been a handful to him in these conditions.
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We will see in the 2nd session how he will bowl.
 
Kianig89 said:
Bavuma will get a Babar like treatment should SA finished here
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He won't.

Bavuma sucks as a player and despite everyone telling me otherwise I was proven right yet again when he got exposed this cup.

However unlike babar bavuma has respect from the whole management. He built this team and built the bazzball culture in sa batting first.

He's the one who recognised everyone's talents and var der dussan, Makram, klaseen all improved under him, so did jansen etc.

He did his best and theirs a reason the dug out respects him. This 2023 sa .ay lose today but this is the first time they've dominated a few games and entered into semi final convincgly despite 2015 team looking superior on paper.

Babar is getting a bad treatment not for his batting but for his selfish Persona. No captain in their right mind would ever take shadab and nawaz with their horrific asia cup performance and cause them match winners.

No captain would go on the media and throw a newbie zaman khan under the bus for failing and humiliating him publicly.

No captain would promote themselves and cause other better players to suffer in the process.

No other captain would threatn to walk out on the team before the eve of the world cup just because a senior retired cricketer suggested he take a specialist spinner and proper allrounder in place of his fraud match winners.

And no other captain is this soft that they get pressured by his bowlers to burn reviews 24/7. Look at rohit, he doesn't listen to his bowlers, he listens to Rahul only for drs cause rohit knows Rahul is the best in his team at judging drs, whereas bowlers tend to be over emotional at times.

And lastly no other captain burns their fast bowlers in low chases, places 4th slips but no 1st, 2nd and 3rd slip, and sticks to forumlic pattern that keep failing 24/7. Or have the audcatiy to bowl nawaz a dude who can't take a wicket for his life in an over where one wicket wad required.

Bavuma sucks as a player but he's respected as a captain for a reason.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Sour grapes. ICC rigged pitches (ENG vs PAK) and NZ vs SL. These 2 were among top 3 spinning surfaces in the World Cup .

Not out fault that neither you nor your minions SL could help you qualify for the World Cup semis .
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Lol icc is BCCI so you are accepting bcci is rigging these pitches.
What can be expected from a cheater country.
 
Kianig89 said:
India have their task cut out, though Ahmedabad wicket will be flat
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There is one team i am least scared of facing in a crunch game is Australia. I am more scared of strategy based teams. India and Australia are both similar type of teams mentally.
 
Maxie is looking dangerous against Miller. He should get to other end as soon as he can against Maxie.
 
Maharaja has a massive role alongwith shamsi to play. if shamsi bowls two half trackers every over he will be brutalized.
 
Miller is leagues ahead of current South African batsman in terms of big games performance.
 
Eden Garden almost full despite Indian team not playing…. It shows how much Indians love their cricket
 
Imagine SA 95/1 now instead of 95/4. This is where some common sense was needed upfront. Australia have used most of their main bowlers overs. Nobody left if Zampa travels.
 
Lol unsurprisingly indians supporting South Africa.
An easy match for them in the final but it ain't happening.
 
viking2559 said:
Lol icc is BCCI so you are accepting bcci is rigging these pitches.
What can be expected from a cheater country.
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ICC made a rigged pitch to help PAK qualify and made the most even surface for India against England. Looks like they cheated more for PAK than they ever did for IND and yet you couldn't qualify. Quite a shame
 
They should be around 200 by 40th over and target another 100 in the last 10 overs. Even Afghanistan thashed Australian bowling in end overs
 
oatmeal said:
If you rotate the strike often its easier to take chances when the bad ball comes. When there are too many dots , there is pressure to take chances off even good balls
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Yea. It just doesn't naturally come to some players. infact you have to build a team like that.
 
Varun said:
Why do you think this is? Probably mental?
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Yes mental up to some extent and also probably due to lack of big game players like Pointing, Gilchrist, Warne, Wasim Akram, Dhoni, Gambhir, aur even likes of Shahid Afridi who played well in 2009 WC. You need big game players to win Kockouts
 
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