ICC World Cup 2023: South Africa (399/7) destroys England (170) by 229 runs, leaving England's World Cup hopes in jeopardy

[Buffet]

Not SA or Pakistan

Nah, they are probably the weakest but I won't say they can't have 2 good days. Pakistan may have more trouble if it's turning track in semis or in finals. But ICC is not going to prepare turning tracks and that's why think even Pakistan can have 2 good days.

 

[Ali Active]

buttler is dangerous he has loads of experience here

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

This is very bad for Pakistan, South Africa's NRR now means 6 wins are unlikely to be enough for Pakistan.

Pakistan have to win all of their remaining matches.

Actually it is good for Pakistan if RSA managed to beat England by a heavy margin. Logically, Pakistan will fight with England and Australia for the 4th spot.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India has choked way more than SA ever did between 2007 to 2015

Since 2013 they have lost 3 semis, 2 wtc finals, 1 champions trophy final and t20 final in 2014.

WTC final is a joke if you ask me. Ranking is a much better indicator. SENA venue for SENA team is not fair. That too SENA conditions. India beat Austarlia 4 series in a row. So them beating in a neutral venue won't make them better than India.

 

[jnaveen1980]

buttler is dangerous he has loads of experience here

He is the least complicated hitter going around. He probably should have come up the order instead of Root.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sheer arrogance to drop Roy.

Without Morgan England are terrible

This is what I was telling everyone before the world cup started.

On paper Australia and England look golden until you actually deep dive.

Stokes has been out of the game for ages, same with root, they won't be how you remember them.

Brooks is a hack through and through, and malan is another scam like babar azam, although he's a solid striker on his day. Their bowling is also beyond toothless. And butler has had a poor 2023

Morgan led these guys in their primes. His only mistake was that root shouldn't have been a no 3, it would be better to have Alex hales at no 3 in 2019.

Australia and England are all had beens, but courtesy of Pakistan for helping Warner get back to his best.

 

[Savak]

What a massive disappointment England has been in this WC. I thought they would be the team to beat. Not the team that will be beaten.
Looking at their team, they are badly missing Jason Roy who has loads of experience in playing in Subcontinent.

Dawid Malan is a poor version of Roy.

The selection of Malan over Roy is beyond belief and understanding

 

[Buffet]

Just pick 2 more wickets and it will be tail. Run rate can get a super boost here.

 

[kron]

Indeed which is why Butler is responsible for this shambolic England performance.

Who would you say has the mental fortitude to be our captain from the current lot. I feel imad wasim can be a cerebral guy but he isn't good enough to get into the team. Shafique is too soft.

Rizwan is my bet. Unfortunately I cant think of anyone else. But ha e separate captain for odi and t20 and test captain should be someone entirely different. Don't mix formats.

 

[mominsaigol]

My theory of Pakistan is
If they believe they are good enough thats when they play best cricket.
if they are scared thats when they fail.
in no means we are top team but
on our day we can defeat top team.
so we might sneak into semis and suprise everyone

That's every team by that logic .

 

[Devadwal]

World cup need IPL type play-off.
Top rank team in group stages should get extra chance.

 

[Ertugrul_Bey]

England still have to play India and Australia. It’s seems curtains for English team.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ball is not swinging now. They should try to take it deep and see what happens.

 

[Vikram1989]

@Rana , Bro before the world cup, u r rt in calling Klassen may not be the highest scorer but will score impactful runs

 

[mominsaigol]

World cup need IPL type play-off.
Top rank team in group stages should get extra chance.

Why? Makes zero sense

 

[kron]

WTC final is a joke if you ask me. Ranking is a much better indicator. SENA venue for SENA team is not fair. That too SENA conditions. India beat Austarlia 4 series in a row. So them beating in a neutral venue won't make them better than India.

That I completely agree with you. India thoroughly deserved both wtc trophies if I am being honest. Ah well actually they deserved 2021 but the one after should have gone to Aussies as they finished first.

Completely agree. It's a farcical concept.

India did Beat Aussies at home though so there is that.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pace and bounce. Feathered one. This is almost like SA pitch.

 

[Buffet]

Got it

 

[Ali Active]

This is very bad for Pakistan, South Africa's NRR now means 6 wins are unlikely to be enough for Pakistan.

Pakistan have to win all of their remaining matches.

win 6 u are through
it will be aus vs pak for semis spot

 

[kron]

Like I said before. Without bounce you can never ever become a great bowler. Like when I say great I mean top tier legendary level. Ambrose McGrath Marshall garner all had great ability to generate bounce.

 

[Ali Active]

He is the least complicated hitter going around. He probably should have come up the order instead of Root.

gone Eng are out of this wc

 

[Champ_Pal]

All of England’s hopes rests on Butler. If he can win it from here, it will be incredible. Not happening though, but as long as he is at the crease, there is some hope.

 

[WengerOut]

This will be over before the dew sets in, if at all it sets in.

 

[Rana]

He's being racist for sure. Anyone who knows your background knows what he's doing.

I've never said this before about any poster but it's about time, mods ban him for good.

This is what they do.

When they can’t argue with me on cricket logic, they will take a dig at me for suggesting Asif Ali as captain. I own them again by standing firm that I believe he would be a much better white ball captain option than Babar (if you want to play modern cricket), and then they resort to racial slurs

It’s ok. I don’t expect anything to come of it.

 

[PakPremi]

Tbf, he was also the weakest link in the 2019 squad. On England pitches he's the epitome of soft run scoring.

Ironically he and Smith made me take back what I said. These 2 are the definition of why Pakistan needs to evolve.

I remember you were trying to justify to me how they are a lot better players than Rizwan in ODIs.

 

[Ahmed216]

Pace and bounce. Feathered one. This is almost like SA pitch.

I've noticed with venues situated at the coast it does spice up a bit under lights with the new ball

 

[kron]

Sepuku lol. That's why baseball only suits pitches that are flat yes but against quality bowling that can generate bounce they will fail even on such pattas.

 

[Ali Active]

World cup need IPL type play-off.
Top rank team in group stages should get extra chance.

no its fine as it is
if u are top team u get to play with 4th so if u r good enough u should beat them

 

[soso_killer]

Got it

Great to see you're still in these shores. I hope you're doing well

 

[Champ_Pal]

Nooooooo. Butler gone. Bye bye England. This will be a major humiliating defeat for England. A defeat that can shake up their LoI team completely.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is a vastly superior attack for this pitch. Wood is an inferior bowler compared to these tall guys who extract bounce

Janesn 6' 9"
Rabada 6' 4"
Coetze 6' 4"
Ngidi 6' 5"


They are superbly exploiting the bounce with their height. Topley is more a swing bowler rather than into the deck bowler. So his height is not helping him extract bounce

 

[Ali Active]

Lol eng getting humiliated

 

[soso_killer]

LBW incredible

 

[WengerOut]

LBW incredible

Looks like Coetze heard you

 

[Devadwal]

Why? Makes zero sense

One team is win 8 or 9 game
Other is winning 6 game .
There should be benifit of winning all the game in group stages.

 

[Buffet]

Another one here

 

[Savak]

This is very bad for Pakistan, South Africa's NRR now means 6 wins are unlikely to be enough for Pakistan.

Pakistan have to win all of their remaining matches.

Pakistan does not deserve to progress if they can't win the rest of their remaining games. Our team was very poorly prepared for this WC.

 

[jnaveen1980]

On Indian pitches they are getting blown away by pace and bounce. You guys see the variety of Indian pitches?

 

[Mockingbird]

England

 

[mominsaigol]

I remember you were trying to justify to me how they are a lot better players than Rizwan in ODIs.

Williamson even now is superior to rizwan lol.

Never said bavuma is > Rizzu, always said bavuma is a scam.

As for Smith and root, their all time peaks are > Rizwan.

Rizwan's all time Peak is 2023 lol. 2015 Smith > Rizwan, 2019 root > Rizwan

Current rizwan is superior but that's because Smith and root are has beens who haven't even played odi in a long long time.

But I stand on what I said. Also even if rizzu is superior, why advocate for rizzu? This world cup is proving why all these 1990's era frauds don't work in today's era and why modern bats are winning. Theirs a reason NZ, SA and Ind will be top of the table.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Most of the England players are proper home track bullies.
Woakes is god level player in England, but outside England, he bats like Shaheen and bowls like Babar.

 

[kron]

Pace and bounce. Feathered one. This is almost like SA pitch.

India vs SA on those SA bouncy pitches would be a mouth watering clash.

Jansen
Ngidi
Rabada
Coetze now
Mahraj optional

Jansen will bat at 8 and he can bat decently. Rabada is not a total mug.

Can indian batsmen handle the heat on bouncy tracks?

Indian bowlers are great themselves but they would need prasidh here I think based on skillset.

 

[mominsaigol]

One team is win 8 or 9 game
Other is winning 6 game .
There should be benifit of winning all the game in group stages.

Oh yh, then I agree, this format was also in psl and I loved it.

 

[kingusama92]

This is going to destroy England's NRR.

 

[NeVerMind]

Pakistan does not deserve to progress if they can't win the rest of their remaining games. Our team was very poorly prepared for this WC.

Not as poor as this England's team defense of the World Cup...making our chase yesterday seem like a brave one!

 

[GLORY OF '92]

What a humiliation.

SA been class. But the choke issue will cost them

 

[Technics 1210]

Who would you say has the mental fortitude to be our captain from the current lot. I feel imad wasim can be a cerebral guy but he isn't good enough to get into the team. Shafique is too soft.

Rizwan is my bet. Unfortunately I cant think of anyone else. But ha e separate captain for odi and t20 and test captain should be someone entirely different. Don't mix formats.

For me the first qualification for captaincy is personality. Need a captain that has an aggressive nature/fire about him, one who would go toe to toe with the opposition without fear (not with performances).

I think Hassan Ali or Imad Wasim for me. Rizwan might have the technical nauce, but he has a soft personality.

 

[WengerOut]

Ind v SA is at Eden Gardens ... Bouncy pitch. Ind should settle their KO participation before that.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India vs SA on those SA bouncy pitches would be a mouth watering clash.

Jansen
Ngidi
Rabada
Coetze now
Mahraj optional

Jansen will bat at 8 and he can bat decently. Rabada is not a total mug.

Can indian batsmen handle the heat on bouncy tracks?

Indian bowlers are great themselves but they would need prasidh here I think based on skillset.

IF there is one team in the world that play bounce better it is India. That includes SA/ Australia. Pretty much everyone Rohit, Kohli, Gill, Rahul all are master pullers

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

India beat Sri Lanka by 317 runs early this year. Looks like that record is in danger.

 

[Devadwal]

Defending champion is getting humiliated

 

[soso_killer]

Looks like Coetze heard you

He has no control over his lines and lengths. Can still finish with 2 for 70. Unsustainable bowling figures

 

[Ahmed216]

On Indian pitches they are getting blown away by pace and bounce. You guys see the variety of Indian pitches?

The pitches seem as diverse as the nation itself. Really intrigued

 

[batandballbattle]

england going down like a lead balloon
champions won't even be in the KOs

 

[Smbhayi]

Can SA win by 300+ runs? What is the big win by runs in ODI?

 

[Savak]

Harry Brook is a Hack. Have never seen him look solid and comfortable on difficult pitches and against quality attacks.

His performances against Pakistan gave him too much hype. He is a hit or miss undependable Hack.

 

[Asif321]

England done and dusted

 

[MMHS]

It’s an Indian WC, where Poms are benching Moeen to play 5 pacers. Then to think that, they are the most frequent travellers to Asia, particularly India in last 10-12 years!!!! Icing on the cake is to decide chasing against Afghans & SAF.

 

[kron]

For me the first qualification for captaincy is personality. Need a captain that has an aggressive nature/fire about him, one who would go toe to toe with the opposition without fear (not with performances).

I think Hassan Ali or Imad Wasim for me. Rizwan might have the technical nauce, but he has a soft personality.

Oh don't underestimate rizzu bro lol. He can chirp quite a bit. He is a tough guy. But yea imad for sure. Problem is both aren't good enough to start for us. Hasan and imad.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

India vs SA on those SA bouncy pitches would be a mouth watering clash.

Jansen
Ngidi
Rabada
Coetze now
Mahraj optional

Jansen will bat at 8 and he can bat decently. Rabada is not a total mug.

Can indian batsmen handle the heat on bouncy tracks?

Indian bowlers are great themselves but they would need prasidh here I think based on skillset.

Everyone will play good except Iyer.
Bouncy tracks are Nightmare for Iyer.

 

[Buffet]

Great to see you're still in these shores. I hope you're doing well

Yah, don't get time to watch much but try to see some games. Hope everything is going well on your end.

 

[mominsaigol]

Who would you say has the mental fortitude to be our captain from the current lot. I feel imad wasim can be a cerebral guy but he isn't good enough to get into the team. Shafique is too soft.

Rizwan is my bet. Unfortunately I cant think of anyone else. But ha e separate captain for odi and t20 and test captain should be someone entirely different. Don't mix formats.

Muhammad haris, he literally led the team to victory in the emerging acc Asia cup while babar came dead last in the super 4 stage.

You already have an aggressive captain who plays for the team and unlike babar, doesn't open, and shoved himself down to no 7 in that cup like a good boy and played as the perfect finisher and let saim ayub open throughout the tournament

 

[jnaveen1980]

The pitches seem as diverse as the nation itself. Really intrigued

Many failed to understand. After warmups they were crying "flat pitches" "flat pitches". Too bad we don't have a match at Trivandrum where India completely blew away SA and Srilanka.

 

[shah_1]

India
South Africa
New Zealand
Australia


Don't see Pakistan challenging these teams at all with that pop gun attack

 

[Savak]

For me the first qualification for captaincy is personality. Need a captain that has an aggressive nature/fire about him, one who would go toe to toe with the opposition without fear (not with performances).

I think Hassan Ali or Imad Wasim for me. Rizwan might have the technical nauce, but he has a soft personality.

I think more than anything Pakistan needs a captain who is tactically astute and has solid game awareness. If you have that, the team will fix itself automatically

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Can SA win by 300+ runs? What is the big win by runs in ODI?

317 by India

 

[jnaveen1980]

Mitchell Johnson at times has been unplayable for Mumbai Indians under lights here in the IPL. Everyone knows this. But England opted to field first.

 

[kron]

IF there is one team in the world that play bounce better it is India. That includes SA/ Australia. Pretty much everyone Rohit, Kohli, Gill, Rahul all are master pullers

I believe last time rohit and Gill dint play correct?
When india lost 2-1. Would have been a different game if they play I feel. Also for some reason a tall bowler like prasidh wasn't picked. Unusual given how much height helps there.

 

[kron]

Everyone will play good except Iyer.
Bouncy tracks are Nightmare for Iyer.

Yea I know they. Iyer lol. Guy sucks vs hip level bounce.

 

[NeVerMind]

Showing stats of best teams chasing and Pak are second (after India)! Didn't expect that...

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Game not over yet.
THis guy Willey has two T20 hundreds to his name.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Australian bowling is also poor compared to this unit. But ofcousre this unit can be rattled on different pitch.

 

[Savak]

Lol the proteas are making this pitch look like Wanderers or Perth.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is what they do.

When they can’t argue with me on cricket logic, they will take a dig at me for suggesting Asif Ali as captain. I own them again by standing firm that I believe he would be a much better white ball captain option than Babar (if you want to play modern cricket), and then they resort to racial slurs

It’s ok. I don’t expect anything to come of it.

That's 90% of people on the Internet.

Everyone likes grabbing at straws and brings in ad hominems when they can't debate ethically.

 

[sweep_shot]

England may end up at the bottom of the table today. NRR may take a massive hit.

 

[Devadwal]

Yea I know they. Iyer lol. Guy sucks vs hip level bounce.

You are talking about iyer but all Pakistani batsman are suck aganist short pitch bowling lol

 

[kron]

Muhammad haris, he literally led the team to victory in the emerging acc Asia cup while babar came dead last in the super 4 stage.

You already have an aggressive captain who plays for the team and unlike babar, doesn't open, and shoved himself down to no 7 in that cup like a good boy and played as the perfect finisher and let saim ayub open throughout the tournament

Agreed with babar its always about babar and how great he is. Youngsters can't flourish under this idiot.

 

[Rana]

Oh don't underestimate rizzu bro lol. He can chirp quite a bit. He is a tough guy. But yea imad for sure. Problem is both aren't good enough to start for us. Hasan and imad.

Nawaz, Shadab, Iftikhar, Imam, Shafique, Rauf are all good enough to start for Pakistan but Imad isn’t?

 

[Buffet]

Pitch has been been somewhat different in this tournament in each venue. Still batsmen friendly over all but enough for bowlers at some venues.

 

[battler]

England getting their NRR nuked!