Imran Khan likens Pakistan's former CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry with Indian umpire

[Saj]

Lahore: Cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan has compared former Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Chaudhry to an Indian umpire while criticising him for "refusing" to audit votes in four constituencies for alleged rigging during 2013 general elections.

Khan, who heads the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, recalled an Indian umpire, who according to him had refused to consider his appeal against an Indian batsman during a cricket match allegedly "in order to secure a win for his team".

"How can it be possible for lawmakers who come to the assembly through rigged elections to remove corruption from society and from among their ranks?," he asked while addressing an event here on Thursday.

Khan made the comparison while criticising him for "refusing" to audit votes in four constituencies for alleged rigging during 2013 general elections.Khan had filed a petition in the Supreme Court against "massive rigging" in Punjab province during the May 11 general elections. He also accused the prime minister of securing 8,000 votes in a constituency where 1,500 voters were registered. "If I were in his place, I would put all the polling officials behind bars in this case," Khan said.

Speaking out against the recent "gift" of USD 1.5 billion to the Pakistan government by a "friendly" country, Khan said "the government received USD 1.5 billion to fan sectarianism and killings on the basis of faith".

"We hold a begging bowl but are not willing to collect fair taxes and eradicate corruption at the highest levels," he was quoted as saying by Express Tribune daily. Khan has said that martial law would be destructive for Pakistan.

"Impose martial law if you want destruction in Pakistan," he said, adding that bringing about junta rule was as if somebody goes to a dispensary for cancer treatment. He said martial law is imposed for a brief period in a country in the wake of problems but in reality the military coup aggravates problems.

Khan said when a corrupt man becomes leader he destroys institution like a dictator who ruins institutions while trying to become a democrat.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/imran-khan-likens-pakistans-former-cj-with-indian-umpire/464386-56.html

 

[ahamedirshad123]

Guess the player

 

[greatest]

Guess the player

Heath Streak

 

[CricketCartoons]

Heath Streak

I think that was Steve Waugh in his auto-bio.

 

[LooneyReturns]

 

[Bhaijaan]

Growing up, i have come to believe Imran on mic is just a calm version of Navjot Singh Sidhu.

 

[LooneyReturns]

And for those who can`t read what it says on the picture in Urdu : Chief ( Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry ) tere janisar beshumar beshumar

 

[London_Lahori]

What a man. We need Imran to come into power.

 

[Saeed]

This is enough to make Imran PM of Pakistan.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Actually its true.

Indian and Pakistani umpires were very biased back in those days.

Players would have had very bitter opinions about the umpires of their rival country.

Personally for me, its a sickening thing NOT just because cricket became unfair but because this partly reflects our mentality back in those days.

Umpires outside SC were by and large unbiased. ICC had to bring this no home umpire thing rule due to SC umpires (that's what I heard).

Disgraceful stuff.

Though Imran Khan's comments may seem offensive to Indians, its true. He is just speaking from his point of view. The vice versa (Pakistan umpires being biased) is also true.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Actually its true.

Indian and Pakistani umpires were very biased back in those days.

Players would have had very bitter opinions about the umpires of their rival country.

Personally for me, its a sickening thing NOT just because cricket became unfair but because this partly reflects our mentality back in those days.

Umpires outside SC were by and large unbiased. ICC had to bring this no home umpire thing rule due to SC umpires (that's what I heard).

Disgraceful stuff.

Though Imran Khan's comments may seem offensive to Indians, its true. He is just speaking from his point of view. The vice versa (Pakistan umpires being biased) is also true.

Imran Khan was actually one of the main instigators for neutral umpires when the general opinion was that cricket didn't need it. The English press were not happy with the level of umpiring in some countries but at the same time wanted to stick with home umpires. Eventually everyone came round to agree with Khan and the game is better for it.

Other than that, his point is really about the way politics is rigged in Pakistan, Punjab in this case and he's probably right there as well.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Imran Khan was actually one of the main instigators for neutral umpires when the general opinion was that cricket didn't need it. The English press were not happy with the level of umpiring in some countries but at the same time wanted to stick with home umpires. Eventually everyone came round to agree with Khan and the game is better for it.

Other than that, his point is really about the way politics is rigged in Pakistan, Punjab in this case and he's probably right there as well.

Really? Cool.

Yeah I know what Imran meant.

 

[AZ]

almost a year since the elections took place and this clown is still crying about rigging...no wonder people are struggling to take him seriously any more.

 

[Saeed]

almost a year since the elections took place and this clown is still crying about rigging...no wonder people are struggling to take him seriously any more.

Your new king has been doing a great job protecting and feeding the population in Pakistan. He probably thinks oh yeah made these uneducated little peasants fool again.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

almost a year since the elections took place and this clown is still crying about rigging...no wonder people are struggling to take him seriously any more.

Imran Khan told a great story about how Nawaz Sharif requested to turn out for Pakistan in a warm up game against the West Indies. Now you tell me who was the clown?

NEW DELHI: Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Who would believe that 25 years ago Nawaz Sharif, then chief minister of Pakistan's Punjab province, bowled a googly on the eve of a crucial 1987 ODI World Cup cricket warm-up game against West Indies? Shortly before the starting of the game, Sharif declared himself as the captain of Punjab Chief Minister's XI. And in an act of bravado bordering on foolhardiness, the politician didn't even bother to wear proper protection gear while batting against the most terrifying pace battery in the history of the game.

The bizarre incident is described in great detail and with evident relish by then Pakistan captain Imran Khan in his 2011 autobiography titled, Pakistan: a personal history. He writes, "Just before the World Cup in October 1987, when I was captaining Pakistan, we played a warm-up match against the West Indies at the Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore. Moments before the match, the secretary of the cricket board, Shahid Rafi, informed me that the Chief Minister of Punjab, Nawaz Sharif, was going to captain the team that day. I was taken aback but then assumed that he would have a non-playing role and waned to watch the match from the dressing room. Therefore I was shocked to see him walk out to toss the coin with Viv Richards, the West Indies captain, dressed in his cricket whites; but there was a bigger shock to come. He won the toss, and returned to the dressing-room and started putting on his pads. None of the team could believe what we were seeing; he was going to open the innings where with Mudassar Nazar against the West Indies, one of the greatest fast-bowling attacks in cricket history. Nazar wore batting pads, a thigh pad, chest pad, an arm guard, a helmet and reinforced batting gloves, while Sharif simply had his batting pads, a floppy hat — and a smile."

Imran further writes, "For those who are not conversant with cricket history, it is important to know that this was a fast-bowling attack not seen before or since in the cricketing world, such was West Indies' blistering place, with four bowlers bowling above 90 mph. It was the sort of attack that had destroyed the careers of many a talented batsman. International batsmen, professional cricketers would have sleepless nights when they were due to face the West Indies. And here was Nawaz Sharif, who had no experience of playing at this level of cricket, walking out unprotected, to face this deadly attack. Clearly he would not have the reflexes to defend himself if a short ball was aimed at his body, so there was a risk of a serious injury. I quickly enquired if there was an ambulance ready.

"As we watched the ball - by a six feet, six inch West Indian fast bowler - hit the wicketkeeper's gloves even before Sharif could lift his bat, the team sighed with relief that it wasn't straight. Mercifully for Sharif, the second ball was straight at the stumps, and before he could move, his stumps lay shattered. For those who don't understand cricket, Sharif was trying the equivalent in academic terms of a child, having just finished primary school, attempting to write a PhD thesis," concludes Imran, now founder of the political party, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf.

For the record, the match was played on October 4, 1987 between Punjab Chief Minister's XI and West Indians.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-Windies-pace-attack/articleshow/20059406.cms

 

[justarslan]

Really? Cool.

Yeah I know what Imran meant.

In 1989 tour of Pakistan by Indian team in which Sachin made his debut. Pakistan appointed neutral English umpires in test series. Pakistan also appointed neutral Indian umpires for a home test series against West Indies and West Indies still could not beat us. On the other hand, biased home umpires saved West Indies in 1988 from their first home test series defeat in years.

 

[Badsha]

almost a year since the elections took place and this clown is still crying about rigging...no wonder people are struggling to take him seriously any more.

Typical Pathwari post. So what if it's been a year? It's a matter of principal. He should never stop even if it's been 50 years.

 

[saadibaba]

Imran Khan told a great story about how Nawaz Sharif requested to turn out for Pakistan in a warm up game against the West Indies. Now you tell me who was the clown?

Indeed a funny story, though he may have thought that this match being a friendly the Indies will not be as aggressive or try to ball fast ones at him. Still very naive, though some ardent supporters of Nawaz may spin this as him being daring and brave.

Dekho dekho kaun aya
Sheer aya sheer aya

 

[godzilla]

almost a year since the elections took place and this clown is still crying about rigging...no wonder people are struggling to take him seriously any more.

do you think rigging shouldnt be investigated?

 

[waqar_ahmad]

almost a year since the elections took place and this clown is still crying about rigging...no wonder people are struggling to take him seriously any more.

That's coz the clowns who came to power after the elections have done their best to NOT let rigging be investigated. If something hasnt been investigated, it is automatically false?

I know you are a noora, but even for you, thinking before posting would not be a bad idea

 

[Waseem]

almost a year since the elections took place and this clown is still crying about rigging...no wonder people are struggling to take him seriously any more.

Only if the clown was of different ethnic background

 

[AZ]

Your new king has been doing a great job protecting and feeding the population in Pakistan. He probably thinks oh yeah made these uneducated little peasants fool again.

actually they are doing a pretty decent job - http://tribune.com.pk/story/694804/pml-n-govt-outshines-ppp-in-performance-gallup-poll/

may want to read your hero's rating too, not looking good.

Typical Pathwari post. So what if it's been a year? It's a matter of principal. He should never stop even if it's been 50 years.

lol @ principles...this for a bloke who called Sheikh Rasheed less than a chaprasi, then was arm in arm with him during the elections.

gimme a freakin' break.

Indeed a funny story, though he may have thought that this match being a friendly the Indies will not be as aggressive or try to ball fast ones at him. Still very naive, though some ardent supporters of Nawaz may spin this as him being daring and brave.

Dekho dekho kaun aya
Sheer aya sheer aya

we'll leave the spinning of tall tales of bravery and sacrifice to our PPP jiyale, they do those best.

heard Billy Boy was skipped out on visiting Punjab too? dear oh dear.

do you think rigging shouldnt be investigated?

absolutely...doesn't mean you prejudice proceedings beforehand by spewing rhetorical BS whenever a mic is shoved in front of your face.

lest we forget Saint Imran was already hauled in front of the Supreme Court and had to leave with his tail between his legs. #Sharamnaak

That's coz the clowns who came to power after the elections have done their best to NOT let rigging be investigated. If something hasnt been investigated, it is automatically false?

I know you are a noora, but even for you, thinking before posting would not be a bad idea

and how exactly are they NOT letting it being investigated, just because Saint Imran said so?

SC and ECP are independent bodies, ever tried comprehending that?

I know you are a shining light of the resident Insafian cult on PP, but try to step into the world of facts for a change too.

 

[Badsha]

lol @ principles...this for a bloke who called Sheikh Rasheed less than a chaprasi, then was arm in arm with him during the elections.

gimme a freakin' break.

Let's suppose this man has no principles. Is he wrong about elections being rigged? should he or anyone else not fight for it?

 

[waqar goraya]

This news item has been taken from this interview. It will give you better understanding that how he built that argument.

Lol at chief Chief Justice making an excuse of workload.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ncs6h_onthefront10apr2014_news#from=embediframe

 

[AZ]

Let's suppose this man has no principles. Is he wrong about elections being rigged? should he or anyone else not fight for it?

there are some some constituencies where no doubt some illicit voting must have taken place, otherwise on the whole no the election was not rigged.

or are you suggesting PTI's winning seats were won through rigging as well.

 

[Badsha]

there are some some constituencies where no doubt some illicit voting must have taken place, otherwise on the whole no the election was not rigged.

or are you suggesting PTI's winning seats were won through rigging as well.

Even if there was no rigging the outcome most probably would have been similar. You are missing the point. If PTI's seats were rigged (and N-league or anyone else is taking no action) that's really poor from N-league.

If elections on some seats were rigged should there not be an investigation? Regardless of the man or any other seats?

 

[godzilla]

absolutely...doesn't mean you prejudice proceedings beforehand by spewing rhetorical BS whenever a mic is shoved in front of your face.

wait a second i dont understand your answer. i asked if you thought the elections shouldNT be investigated, and you replied with 'absolutely'. i assume, i hope you mean that the elections should be investigated for rigging if there is reason to believe it was done.


if thats the case, how is making an accusation for rigging prejudicial exactly?

why is the government not allowing for an independent to govern and investigate corruption?

doe it not seem odd to you that only four investigations have failed to be addressed after a year in a country where rigging has been assumed to be de rigeur?

 

[munda_khi]

same way gilani was saying from start this chief justice is biased and should not be trusted. but at that time he was presented as a hero. seems to be the case first they came for socialists then they came for jews .........

 

[Saeed]

actually they are doing a pretty decent job - http://tribune.com.pk/story/694804/pml-n-govt-outshines-ppp-in-performance-gallup-poll/

may want to read your hero's rating too, not looking good.

My hero is not PM. Goes to show how much people know about their own government who they support. Pakistan should have 100 hour classes for politics before they act like idiots.

 

[justarslan]

actually they are doing a pretty decent job - http://tribune.com.pk/story/694804/pml-n-govt-outshines-ppp-in-performance-gallup-poll/

may want to read your hero's rating too, not looking good.

This is the same poll company which predicted Romney win in 2012 US Presidential elections in their final poll.

 

[AZ]

wait a second i dont understand your answer. i asked if you thought the elections shouldNT be investigated, and you replied with 'absolutely'. i assume, i hope you mean that the elections should be investigated for rigging if there is reason to believe it was done.


if thats the case, how is making an accusation for rigging prejudicial exactly?

why is the government not allowing for an independent to govern and investigate corruption?

doe it not seem odd to you that only four investigations have failed to be addressed after a year in a country where rigging has been assumed to be de rigeur?

pardon me, read it as should.

This is the same poll company which predicted Romney win in 2012 US Presidential elections in their final poll.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Gallup Survey has proven PTI right. Want 2 congratulate KP govt 4 delivering 2 the ppl despite acute security threats.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/statuses/452499126790680576">April 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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let Insafians decide whether they want to back the survey results or not first, plenty of confusion within the ranks

 

[Lords]

He was the one who said after CJ was reinstated the country would see the difference in 6 months.

He supported dictator, he flips flops his stance on Sheeda and Bhai.

He changes his mind a lot. he says one thing in India and another thing when he goes to Pakistan.

 

[godzilla]

pardon me, read it as should.

thought so - no probs obviously. what about the other questions? you seem to me to be giving the impression that you think investigating these four cases isnt very important.

 

[godzilla]

actually they are doing a pretty decent job - http://tribune.com.pk/story/694804/pml-n-govt-outshines-ppp-in-performance-gallup-poll/

thats based on a couple of thousand respondents in a country of 190 million. what do you think the relevance of it is, let alone the relevance of quoting it?

 

[AZ]

thought so - no probs obviously. what about the other questions? you seem to me to be giving the impression that you think investigating these four cases isnt very important.

there have been instances of rigging/discrepancies that HAVE been taken care of, across the board.

quite a few PMLN, PTI & PPP among others have had candidates disqualified for various reasons.

these 4 cases are more about ego and face-saving than actual injustice, IK sahab refusing to believe that he actually lost a seat.

thats based on a couple of thousand respondents in a country of 190 million. what do you think the relevance of it is, let alone the relevance of quoting it?

relevance is clear, whether the people are being "fooled" as the previous poster suggested or if the sitting govt. is in fact doing a decent job.

 

[godzilla]

there have been instances of rigging/discrepancies that HAVE been taken care of, across the board.

quite a few PMLN, PTI & PPP among others have had candidates disqualified for various reasons.

these 4 cases are more about ego and face-saving than actual injustice, IK sahab refusing to believe that he actually lost a seat.



relevance is clear, whether the people are being "fooled" as the previous poster suggested or if the sitting govt. is in fact doing a decent job.

how do you know that those four cases are just an ego issue as opposed to something more serious? youve intimated a few times that they are a red herring and essentially pointless - how do you know? id like to read about it if i can.


with regards to the poll, you dont have to be a statistician to see that the views of 2,000 people are irrelevant in assessing the performance of a government governing 190mm people. the relevance is clear - its completely irrelevant. surely you must have more than that underpinning your conviction that this is the right government.

is there anything more substantial about what the pmln government has achieved since bing in power? to some degree its difficult to expect too much since he inherited such an atrocious mess from zardari, one that might be difficult to sort through in just a year, but theres plenty of interviews available on youtube outlining progress and policy from the opposition, is there anything available on pmln representatives?

 

[waqar_ahmad]

This news item has been taken from this interview. It will give you better understanding that how he built that argument.

Lol at chief Chief Justice making an excuse of workload.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ncs6h_onthefront10apr2014_news#from=embediframe

Yeah I watched some of this, and what a BS excuse from the CJ. The elections were rigged not just by political parties, but institutions were involved in it as well. Otherwise, this CJ who used to take suo moto notices of tomato prices would have raised hell

 

[CricketCartoons]

with regards to the poll, you dont have to be a statistician to see that the views of 2,000 people are irrelevant in assessing the performance of a government governing 190mm people. the relevance is clear - its completely irrelevant.

What an ignorant comment. I guess you don't understand the fundamentals of statistics.

When you do a survey, you decide two things. How big your representative sample size should be, and how confident you want to be about the result. The industry standard is 95% confidence. And 2000 is enough for that, at least number wise, for 190 million people, unless the sample was skewed (like only from a certain segment) and not representative.

 

[godzilla]

unless the sample was skewed (like only from a certain segment) and not representative.

anyone with the tiniest bit of common sense and understanding of pakistan knows that the variables are inordinately volatile when assessing public opinion - extreme class striation, extreme philosophical breadth and the outsized illiteracy rate.

based on that, demonstrate how a sample size of 2000 is enough for a 95% confidence interval, particularly when those samples are subject the volatility ive described above, which skews the tails on any modelled distribution youd want to pick to represent opinion.

you cant. its a meaningless statistic, its stupidly naive to pretend you can decontextualise it and apply a textbook methodology without making the confidence interval so large its meaningless.

thats why political polls in general are vaguely indicative at best. opinions on volatile subjects like that are not a gaussian distribution.

 

[CricketCartoons]

anyone with the tiniest bit of common sense and understanding of pakistan knows that the variables are inordinately volatile when assessing public opinion - extreme class striation, extreme philosophical breadth and the outsized illiteracy rate.

based on that, demonstrate how a sample size of 2000 is enough for a 95% confidence interval, particularly when those samples are subject the volatility ive described above, which skews the tails on any modelled distribution youd want to pick to represent opinion.

you cant. its a meaningless statistic, its stupidly naive to pretend you can decontextualise it and apply a textbook methodology without making the confidence interval so large its meaningless.

thats why political polls in general are vaguely indicative at best. opinions on volatile subjects like that are not a gaussian distribution.

so i guess all the public research foundations working in pakistan do not have the tiniest bit of common sense.

your excuse was numbers, now your excuse is volatility. Of course opinions are volatile, that is why surveys are done every year. if you are too bothered you can dig out the original survey report. Usually they provide details about the sample they used. because without info about the distribution of the sample, the survey is meaningless.

if you discount the scientific surveys as meaningless, i wonder how do you live with your life experiences..because they are even more insufficient. i guess you haven't met 2000 pakistanis close enough in your life, from all strata and segments, so even your life experiences regarding pakistan must be meaningless.

 

[godzilla]

so i guess all the public research foundations working in pakistan do not have the tiniest bit of common sense.

your excuse was numbers, now your excuse is volatility. Of course opinions are volatile, that is why surveys are done every year. if you are too bothered you can dig out the original survey report. Usually they provide details about the sample they used. because without info about the distribution of the sample, the survey is meaningless.

if you discount the scientific surveys as meaningless, i wonder how do you live with your life experiences..because they are even more insufficient. i guess you haven't met 2000 pakistanis close enough in your life, from all strata and segments, so even your life experiences regarding pakistan must be meaningless.

what are you talking about? youre professing to be an authority on statistics and dont even know the simplest sensitivities to distribution curves. the issue of volatility is precisely the same issue as with numbers. with fatter tails you need need fatter sample sets.

its 15 year old education in most normal parts of the world.

your perverse fixation with polls being some kind of cornerstone to definitive policy is as moronic as your fixation on the accuracy of a political poll in a country like pakistan. in the context of assessing progress of a government a year into recovery from a disastrous inheritance, of course its meaningless. gallup polls even in the run up to an election in the developed west are perceived as meaningless.

youre equating political opinion polls with all scientific surveys? do you have some chronic comprehension problem? how often do i have to refer to context to drill it into your skull. i didnt claim any issue with statistics or statistical methods, what i did claim issue with was its application IN THIS CASE in generating a conclusion which has any meaning.

 

[AZ]

how do you know that those four cases are just an ego issue as opposed to something more serious? youve intimated a few times that they are a red herring and essentially pointless - how do you know? id like to read about it if i can.


with regards to the poll, you dont have to be a statistician to see that the views of 2,000 people are irrelevant in assessing the performance of a government governing 190mm people. the relevance is clear - its completely irrelevant. surely you must have more than that underpinning your conviction that this is the right government.

is there anything more substantial about what the pmln government has achieved since bing in power? to some degree its difficult to expect too much since he inherited such an atrocious mess from zardari, one that might be difficult to sort through in just a year, but theres plenty of interviews available on youtube outlining progress and policy from the opposition, is there anything available on pmln representatives?

because as I have already mentioned earlier, there has been action taken in instances where there was mismanagement in voting or when the candidate was bogus.

and questioning the poll itself is just moronic, IK himself has appreciated the results when they have been favorable to him and his party.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">افتخار محمد چوہدری کو پاکستانی قوم کا مجرم گردانا جائے اس کے اندھادھند فیصلوں کی وجہ سے اس غریب قوم کو ہزاروں ارب کا نقصان پہنچ رہا ہے پاکستان اسٹیل کی نجکاری نا ہونے دی ۳۰۰ ارب کا نقصان رکوڈیک کا معاہدہ ختم کروایا ۹۰۰ ارب کا نقصان کار کے معاہدہ کا قلع قمع کیا ۳۰۰ ارب کا نقصان <a href="https://t.co/6GqaXjCt0M">pic.twitter.com/6GqaXjCt0M</a></p>— Kamran Khan (@AajKamranKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/AajKamranKhan/status/1150069688610840576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[xbronze]

Actually its true.

Indian and Pakistani umpires were very biased back in those days.

Players would have had very bitter opinions about the umpires of their rival country.

Personally for me, its a sickening thing NOT just because cricket became unfair but because this partly reflects our mentality back in those days.

Umpires outside SC were by and large unbiased. ICC had to bring this no home umpire thing rule due to SC umpires (that's what I heard).

Disgraceful stuff.

Though Imran Khan's comments may seem offensive to Indians, its true. He is just speaking from his point of view. The vice versa (Pakistan umpires being biased) is also true.

Reading this thread somewhere from deep within my memory popped the names of two Pakistani umpires from decades ago - Kizar Hayat and Shakoor Rana. Been very long decades but those two names got seared into my brain thanks to some 'decisions' they gave during an India-Pakistan series.

 

[Savak]

$6 billion needs to be billed to Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry