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India’s government cuts Muslim rulers from Indian history books

If a Pakistani wants to talk about minority treatment he will be shown the mirror.

Cutting off invading bigoted tyrants from history and stopping their glorification is done every where. Tyrants and bigots are not glorified.

Muslims killing hindus and rioting, killing hindus because they married or had an affair with a muslim or killing hindus because they refused to convert is all ok?

If a property is illegal its bound to be torn down. Everyone has the right to move court against that.

Muslim politicians making fun of Hinduism and threatening them is fine?

What discrimination? I am asking you to show a law that discriminates against Indian muslims.

Just because only news where muslims are victims is posted on PP doesn't mean that that's the only thing.

Timurids will always be known as tyrannical bigoted looters who invaded a rich land and looted it. Tried to destroy an ancient culture and religion.

Pakistanis like you should be the last one to talk about poverty when pakistan is running around begging to run the country. Follow your advise and make pakistan rich.

Oh i forgot, pakistan is already following your advise, hence the elite are living in luxury and the ordinary people are suffering..Elite looting the country and poor having difficulty to survive. Mughal rule indeed.

Only according to bigoted rss fascists

The world sees them as great leaders and ruled during a golden period in the subcontinent

You cant change history or the worlds opinion no matter what rubbish you and your ilk spew

I suggest u stop the frothing at the mouth and come to terms with reality Your being consumed by hate and its quite disturbing tbh

And quit the whataboutism Like ive said earlier bring them up in a seperate thread and answer the question relating to india

Your constant diversions suggest you have no answers for the questions being asked
 
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Pakistan is tottering under economic issues and pakistanis are more concerned with what books Indians read and how they can take potshots at India on a Pakistani forum. :))

I don't know why you keep bringing up Pakistan issues, this topic is about India. Obviously when there are so many Indian posters on a Pakistani forum talking about Pakistan, then they will also notice what is going on in India by comparison. It is only natural . Don't take it personally bro. :)
 
India is going down this route because of few groups that believe in a hindu state. That is not possible unless and until you create that national identity.

That national identity is created either through editting history or by using an incident to provoke your people.

Just like in pakistan we had our lunatics who believed that islam should be used to build a national identity for pakistan same way hindus probably have theirs.

Right now there is a conflict. Nehru and gandhi gave the country a secular Constitution... I was surprised when i found out that delhi had a road named after aurangzeb to exist...

For the hindutva groups and parties, if they want india to become a hindu nation they will first have to play with the national identity. Than they will have to decide what to do with its large minorities, because under a hindutva identity they dont come.

Once the national identity is changed through collective memory only than the constitution can ne changed from a secular one and india becomes an official hindu state.

It really disturbs me to think that whatwere our muslim politicians of the 50s were thinking when they decided to make pakistan an official muslim state. I always wonder that in their mind what was the solution for the minorities.....

I see. So this much older and you would think wiser civilisation known as Hindutva is following Pakistan's lead on how to create national identity? :20:
 
I don't know why you keep bringing up Pakistan issues, this topic is about India. Obviously when there are so many Indian posters on a Pakistani forum talking about Pakistan, then they will also notice what is going on in India by comparison. It is only natural . Don't take it personally bro. :)

Aren't pakistanis showing their concern about what history Indians are reading?
 
I don't know why you keep bringing up Pakistan issues, this topic is about India. Obviously when there are so many Indian posters on a Pakistani forum talking about Pakistan, then they will also notice what is going on in India by comparison. It is only natural . Don't take it personally bro. :)


Its a classic diversion tactic Avoid answering the question and the issues in the op and instead say "whatabout"...

Cricketjoshila isnt hiding his hate for muslims and will defend rss threats violence and even murder

How hes still allowed to spout his anti muslim rhetoric on this forum where theres rules on discrimination and islamaphobia is a question for the moderators
 
Only according to bigoted rss fascists

The world sees them as great leaders and ruled during a golden period in the subcontinent

You cant change history or the worlds opinion no matter what rubbish you and your ilk spew

I suggest u stop the frothing at the mouth and come to terms with reality Your being consumed by hate and its quite disturbing tbh

And quit the whataboutism Like ive said earlier bring them up in a seperate thread and answer the question relating to india

Your constant diversions suggest you have no answers for the questions being asked

The only ones frothing at Mouth are you and your compatriots. Unduly worried about what history Indians read.

Post the laws in India which are anti Indian Muslim. Then we can talk.
 
Its a classic diversion tactic Avoid answering the question and the issues in the op and instead say "whatabout"...

Cricketjoshila isnt hiding his hate for muslims and will defend rss threats violence and even murder

How hes still allowed to spout his anti muslim rhetoric on this forum where theres rules on discrimination and islamaphobia is a question for the moderators

Why are you getting so sensitive? I am giving my views about my country. Why is it hurting you?
 
I see. So this much older and you would think wiser civilisation known as Hindutva is following Pakistan's lead on how to create national identity? :20:

India alrrady has a national identity which is of a secular india.

Islamic identity existed even before pakistan came to existence and hindutva identity does also exist. But for national identity purpose and to get all the people under the umbrella you need to rejuvenate them.

You are saying as if alll hindus follow extremist hinduism.

Its not about following pakistans lead as this is how national identity is carved out, jews did it and many other groups aswell.

Its that they are following pakistans lead in the mistakes we comitted.

No nation can be formed without a national identity being identified by the group on which basis they will try to create havoc.

Extremist hindus want a country for hindus only, and for that they would have to spread and convince their ideology to others.
 
The only ones frothing at Mouth are you and your compatriots. Unduly worried about what history Indians read.

Post the laws in India which are anti Indian Muslim. Then we can talk.

Lol you have the govt members making anti muslim statements and encouraging violent acts against muslims everyday and no action is being taken by the police and courts and your asking about which laws are anti muslim?

The whole system rigged and is fast becoming anti muslim from the daily rhetoric to the lack of action of bringing perpetrators to face justice

Its quite disgusting and disturbing how intolerant some sections of indian society are including your fanatical views
 
Aren't pakistanis showing their concern about what history Indians are reading?

It was an article posted in a highly respected British news outlet in a world news section. Are you saying Pakistanis shouldn't comment on world news on a Pakistani discussion forum? As an Indian?
 
India alrrady has a national identity which is of a secular india.

Islamic identity existed even before pakistan came to existence and hindutva identity does also exist. But for national identity purpose and to get all the people under the umbrella you need to rejuvenate them.

You are saying as if alll hindus follow extremist hinduism.

Its not about following pakistans lead as this is how national identity is carved out, jews did it and many other groups aswell.

Its that they are following pakistans lead in the mistakes we comitted.

No nation can be formed without a national identity being identified by the group on which basis they will try to create havoc.

Extremist hindus want a country for hindus only, and for that they would have to spread and convince their ideology to others.

That's a lot of words just to say yes I agree, this much older and you would think wiser civilisation known as Hindutva is following Pakistan's lead on how to create national identity.
 
That's a lot of words just to say yes I agree, this much older and you would think wiser civilisation known as Hindutva is following Pakistan's lead on how to create national identity.

As usual, you just ignored the whole point.

You can research on the concept of national identity building on the net if you are that interested and have an open mind to it
 
As usual, you just ignored the whole point.

You can research on the concept of national identity building on the net if you are that interested and have an open mind to it

Why would I research a general concept when you were specifically referring to Pakistan/ Inda? This just seems like another attempt at deflection, on whose behalf it's not clear. Or at least let's keep up the pretence we don't know.
 
Lol you have the govt members making anti muslim statements and encouraging violent acts against muslims everyday and no action is being taken by the police and courts and your asking about which laws are anti muslim?

The whole system rigged and is fast becoming anti muslim from the daily rhetoric to the lack of action of bringing perpetrators to face justice

Its quite disgusting and disturbing how intolerant some sections of indian society are including your fanatical views

Govt members making anti muslim statements every day. Like? Can you post a few examples?

Rigged? What is rigged? Police courts? What?

How intolerant is a society that treats all other religions as inferior and doesn't allow them rights?
 
It was an article posted in a highly respected British news outlet in a world news section. Are you saying Pakistanis shouldn't comment on world news on a Pakistani discussion forum? As an Indian?

I am asking you how are you affected by what history is taught in India?

You may not be aware but in India we don't take decisions as per the agreement of British news outlets.
 
I am asking you how are you affected by what history is taught in India?

You may not be aware but in India we don't take decisions as per the agreement of British news outlets.

Britain takes a widespread interest in what happens across the world since we have many industries and wealth investments spread across the globe. As a global player we need to be sensitive to the region as a larger whole, we have obviously invested a lot of capital in it.
 
Britain takes a widespread interest in what happens across the world since we have many industries and wealth investments spread across the globe. As a global player we need to be sensitive to the region as a larger whole, we have obviously invested a lot of capital in it.

I haven't seen the British Government make any comments, so is there anyone else that represents these widespread interests of Britain?
 
Why don't you post a proper source for your claims of poverty? Pakistani rupees has fallen by how much in last 12 months?

Pakistanis are free to follow what they want, it doesn't matter if some muslims think that opium addicted, wine drinking, characterless, iconoclastic, intolerant, looting, invaders were there heroes.

Ill post you a link which is also helpful in helping Indian children who are suffering.

"Two-thirds of people in India live in poverty: 68.8% of the Indian population lives on less than $2 a day. "

More than 800 million people in India are considered poor

https://www.soschildrensvillages.ca... people in,they are considered extremely poor.

Under Mughals the land was the richest on the planet. Why hasnt the great Hindutva ideology which has been in charge for while now, not improved Indias poverty?

Its not just Pakistanis, Mughals are seen as great rulers of India by all academic historians in the world, only Indian Hindu extremists have trouble with this.
 
Govt members making anti muslim statements every day. Like? Can you post a few examples?

Rigged? What is rigged? Police courts? What?

How intolerant is a society that treats all other religions as inferior and doesn't allow them rights?

See these headlines....

Yogi Adityanath: Hundreds of dog-whistles against Muslims

BJP worker Dinesh Kushwaha assaults a man he thought was a Muslim

Muslims should be set ablaze’: Haribhushan Thakur Bachaul

BJP Mahila Morcha leader Udita Tyagi present at Dharma Sansad where genocide calls were made

‘Hindus who don’t vote for me have Miyan blood in their veins’: BJP MLA Raghvendra Pratap Singh

Vote for Yogi or face bulldozers’: BJP MLA T. Raja Singh

If Hindus wake up, we will pull your beards and make a chotia‘: MLA Mayankeshwar Singh


Care to.comment on the articles below and the above rhetoric from bjp members, not fringe elements??

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fr...modi-s-bjp-is-spreading-anti-muslim-sentiment

https://time.com/6185355/india-bjp-muslim-world-prophet/

This is state sponsored violence and rhetoric not looney individuals
 
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See these headlines....

Yogi Adityanath: Hundreds of dog-whistles against Muslims

BJP worker Dinesh Kushwaha assaults a man he thought was a Muslim

Muslims should be set ablaze’: Haribhushan Thakur Bachaul

BJP Mahila Morcha leader Udita Tyagi present at Dharma Sansad where genocide calls were made

‘Hindus who don’t vote for me have Miyan blood in their veins’: BJP MLA Raghvendra Pratap Singh

Vote for Yogi or face bulldozers’: BJP MLA T. Raja Singh

If Hindus wake up, we will pull your beards and make a chotia‘: MLA Mayankeshwar Singh


Care to.comment on the articles below and the above rhetoric from bjp members, not fringe elements??

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fr...modi-s-bjp-is-spreading-anti-muslim-sentiment

https://time.com/6185355/india-bjp-muslim-world-prophet/

This is state sponsored violence and rhetoric not looney individuals

We could be here all night posting such quotes. They are also much worse ..

This is a WOMAN BJP leader. Remember a WOMAN.

"New Delhi: Sunita Singh Gaur, leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party Mahila Morcha in Uttar Pradesh’s Ramkola, has reportedly been removed from her position after she posted on Facebook that Hindu men should enter Muslim homes and rape the women.

“There is only one solution for them (Muslims). Hindu brothers should make a group of 10 and gang rape their (Muslims) mothers and sisters openly on the streets and then then hang them in the middle of the bazaar for others to see,” Gaur’s post in Hindi says.!

https://thewire.in/communalism/bjp-...us-should-gangrape-muslim-women-gets-expelled
 
So typical to see these usual from neighboring country supporting such nonsense. No matter what they say or do, it will not change facts and history. Cricketjoshila types are all over social media, in their media and government, constantly trying to depict Moghuls as the invaders and enemies, while reality is far apart.

Moghuls are the ones who brought justice and invested heavily in infrastructure, knowledge and traded with the world to enhance the region. It is all well documented, but hindudva/sanghis have to stick to total rubbish, after all that's what they have been focusing on since facist chai wala took over their office and their growing deep hatred is quite obvious. If Moghuls really were the way these people love describing them as then their ancestors wouldn't have been spared. India wouldn't be a Hindu majority if Moghuls really were the vicious crazy hateful types that these buffoons love associating them with. They are really going downhill in their hatred, instead of focusing on their extreme hunger, poverty, social struggle, distribution of wealth, pollution, filthy conditions etc how they love spending time on this nonsense is mind-boggling. So glad we don't have such problems in Pakistan where we constantly try to humiliate minorities and constantly question them.
 
So typical to see these usual from neighboring country supporting such nonsense. No matter what they say or do, it will not change facts and history. Cricketjoshila types are all over social media, in their media and government, constantly trying to depict Moghuls as the invaders and enemies, while reality is far apart.

Moghuls are the ones who brought justice and invested heavily in infrastructure, knowledge and traded with the world to enhance the region. It is all well documented, but hindudva/sanghis have to stick to total rubbish, after all that's what they have been focusing on since facist chai wala took over their office and their growing deep hatred is quite obvious. If Moghuls really were the way these people love describing them as then their ancestors wouldn't have been spared. India wouldn't be a Hindu majority if Moghuls really were the vicious crazy hateful types that these buffoons love associating them with. They are really going downhill in their hatred, instead of focusing on their extreme hunger, poverty, social struggle, distribution of wealth, pollution, filthy conditions etc how they love spending time on this nonsense is mind-boggling. So glad we don't have such problems in Pakistan where we constantly try to humiliate minorities and constantly question them.

Have you studied pak history? I am asking this because at the end of your post you said you were glad we dont have such problems.
 
Have you studied pak history? I am asking this because at the end of your post you said you were glad we dont have such problems.

Am I referring to history or current times? Not sure if you intentionally try to divert discussion or simply fail to grasp the simple reference. Yes Pakistanis in general don't go around ridiculing other religions and questioning minorities in their country, unlike the tide we are seeing from neighbouring country. There are rare unfortunate events, but it doesn't reflect the society and neither animosity is visible in Pakistani media, government and social media. And spare me Zaid Hamid reference if you were you bring them up here as well :)
 
See these headlines....

Yogi Adityanath: Hundreds of dog-whistles against Muslims

BJP worker Dinesh Kushwaha assaults a man he thought was a Muslim

Muslims should be set ablaze’: Haribhushan Thakur Bachaul

BJP Mahila Morcha leader Udita Tyagi present at Dharma Sansad where genocide calls were made

‘Hindus who don’t vote for me have Miyan blood in their veins’: BJP MLA Raghvendra Pratap Singh

Vote for Yogi or face bulldozers’: BJP MLA T. Raja Singh

If Hindus wake up, we will pull your beards and make a chotia‘: MLA Mayankeshwar Singh


Care to.comment on the articles below and the above rhetoric from bjp members, not fringe elements??

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fr...modi-s-bjp-is-spreading-anti-muslim-sentiment

https://time.com/6185355/india-bjp-muslim-world-prophet/

This is state sponsored violence and rhetoric not looney individuals

It will be better if you post the news links with the headlines. Then i can respond.
 
So typical to see these usual from neighboring country supporting such nonsense. No matter what they say or do, it will not change facts and history. Cricketjoshila types are all over social media, in their media and government, constantly trying to depict Moghuls as the invaders and enemies, while reality is far apart.

Moghuls are the ones who brought justice and invested heavily in infrastructure, knowledge and traded with the world to enhance the region. It is all well documented, but hindudva/sanghis have to stick to total rubbish, after all that's what they have been focusing on since facist chai wala took over their office and their growing deep hatred is quite obvious. If Moghuls really were the way these people love describing them as then their ancestors wouldn't have been spared. India wouldn't be a Hindu majority if Moghuls really were the vicious crazy hateful types that these buffoons love associating them with. They are really going downhill in their hatred, instead of focusing on their extreme hunger, poverty, social struggle, distribution of wealth, pollution, filthy conditions etc how they love spending time on this nonsense is mind-boggling. So glad we don't have such problems in Pakistan where we constantly try to humiliate minorities and constantly question them.

Lol at Timurids brought justice and infrastructure and knowledge. India was a very well developed civilization before the Timurids came here.

The Timurids were invaders and will be portrayed as such in India. Pakistan is free to hero worship them.

I don't know why pakistanis are so bothered with what history is taught in India. It doesn't affect them. Seems they are still living in the mughal era and think that everyone in the sub-continent needs to follow their diktat.
 
Am I referring to history or current times? Not sure if you intentionally try to divert discussion or simply fail to grasp the simple reference. Yes Pakistanis in general don't go around ridiculing other religions and questioning minorities in their country, unlike the tide we are seeing from neighbouring country. There are rare unfortunate events, but it doesn't reflect the society and neither animosity is visible in Pakistani media, government and social media. And spare me Zaid Hamid reference if you were you bring them up here as well :)

I askes a simple question that have you studied our history
 
Man why can’t history just be history .. learn and move on.. Dinosaurs ruled the Earth once .. maybe we invaded their land lol(jk)

I don’t understand Pakistan’s fascination with Mughals as well.. just teach history as it is.. and then from 1947 onwards actual History that matters for our countries.

History, though, is not a science. As new evidence comes to light or as historians look at events from a different angle, new interpretations emerge which revise our understanding of the past. The past - complex, multi-faceted - is always being reinterpreted. In this sense it is never settled.

This is why humility and open-mindedness is so important when studying history. In fostering this spirit of inquiry about the past, curiosity, I think, is the key. Curiosity implies modesty - we want to learn something new and thereby we acknowledge that there is something we don’t fully understand. We want to go beyond merely impressions and enter the the space where there is a wonderfulness of knowledge. Curiosity about societies separated by time means we must try to understand the past on its own terms - not on ours. We must seek to empathise with the very different assumptions, mind-sets and beliefs of past societies. We must understand, as best as we can, ways of living that are dissimilar. In doing so, we are enriched. We have a better understanding of what it is and what it means to be human.
 
I haven't seen the British Government make any comments, so is there anyone else that represents these widespread interests of Britain?

How about the The Times newspaper. Is that a good enough representation of British interest for you? In Britain we have a free press which publishes articles for the rest of the country to read and stay informed of what is going on around the world. I guess you would prefer to only read carefully curated govt soundbites but in that case I don't know why you would be here.
 
How about the The Times newspaper. Is that a good enough representation of British interest for you? In Britain we have a free press which publishes articles for the rest of the country to read and stay informed of what is going on around the world. I guess you would prefer to only read carefully curated govt soundbites but in that case I don't know why you would be here.

Or perhaps the BBC which says this. I would like to read a historical academic refutation of some of these points.

The Mughal Empire

The Mughal (or Mogul) Empire ruled most of India and Pakistan in the 16th and 17th centuries

t consolidated Islam in South Asia, and spread Muslim (and particularly Persian) arts and culture as well as the faith.

The Mughals were Muslims who ruled a country with a large Hindu majority. However for much of their empire they allowed Hindus to reach senior government or military positions.

The Mughals brought many changes to India:

Centralised government that brought together many smaller kingdoms

Delegated government with respect for human rights

Persian art and culture

Persian language mixed with Arabic and Hindi to create Urdu

Periods of great religious tolerance

A style of architecture (e.g. the Taj Mahal)

A system of education that took account of pupils' needs and culture

Muslims in India
There had been Muslims in India long before the Mughals. The first Muslims arrived in the 8th century.

In the first half of the 10th century a Muslim ruler of Afghanistan invaded the Punjab 11 times, without much political success, but taking away a great deal of loot.

A more successful invasion came at the end of the 12th century. This eventually led to the formation of the Delhi Sultanate.

A later Muslim invasion in 1398 devastated the city of Delhi.

The Mughal Empire grew out of descendants of the Mongol Empire who were living in Turkestan in the 15th century. They had become Muslims and assimilated the culture of the Middle East, while keeping elements of their Far Eastern roots.

They also retained the great military skill and cunning of their Mongol ancestors, and were among the first Western military leaders to use guns.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/mughalempire_1.shtml
 
Link not working.

You can still comment on the original post where i have detailed some of their statements, is it acceptable for senior bjp members to make these threats, instigate violence against their countrymen because they are muslims?

Yogi Adityanath: Hundreds of dog-whistles against Muslims

BJP worker Dinesh Kushwaha assaults a man he thought was a Muslim

Muslims should be set ablaze’: Haribhushan Thakur Bachaul

BJP Mahila Morcha leader Udita Tyagi present at Dharma Sansad where genocide calls were made

‘Hindus who don’t vote for me have Miyan blood in their veins’: BJP MLA Raghvendra Pratap Singh

Vote for Yogi or face bulldozers’: BJP MLA T. Raja Singh

If Hindus wake up, we will pull your beards and make a chotia‘: MLA Mayankeshwar Singh
 
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What is more pathetic is that these hinutva warriors won't have the gonads to call out British historians, but will instead point to Pakistani ancestry...which of course didn't exist back then.

Googling is easy but reading is difficult I believe if it’s not your forte.

People in India especially the Hindutva folk as you call them blame the British for this pseudo history.

In fact on the flip side Mughal court historians have documented most things some of them may not fit in with your own narrative. Sorry I meant the Pakistani side of you in this case.
 
Its the most natural thing for Hindus to want to reduce the focus on Muslim dynasties and focus on the Hindu ones. And this process of reducing Muslim cultural influence has been going on since 1800's well before BJP even existed.

Hindus and Muslims draw inspiration from different parts of subcontinent history. And the people who had the most impact on culture are the Kings and other ruling elites. So naturally Hindus will look towards Hindu and other pre-Islamic empires for their cultural symbols, while the Muslims will look at the Muslim Kingdoms.

The founding fathers of India & Pakistan were for the most part liberal, however one can look at the symbols of the state that India & Pakistan choose. The flags, motto's, the anthem, other cultural symbols, you can clearly see what inspired the selection.

And their is nothing wrong with this, and most Muslims accept that we draw inspiration from two different things. This is the essence of the two nation theory. However the problem is we are dealing with a very arrogant community, who cant accept this. For them Muslims must accept the Hindu point of view. Any difference is unacceptable, and is a result of them hating their own culture.

For these Hindus, Muslim who settled from outside the subcontinent are perpetual foreigners. Even though they were born and bred in the subcontinent and had married with local women, they still belong to Afghanistan, C Asia, Arabia, Iran, basically anywhere but the subcontinent. They believe that either they left the subcontinent, died, or a fringe community. The idea that they assimilated with locals is something they don't understand and are not capable of understanding. Mixture like what happened in Latin America, Middle East, England, etc is so alien to their culture, that they cant accept that.

And when they see a Muslim with what they perceive as a Hindu surname that's when the Bhangra starts for them. See look, and then proceed to explain the origin of the surname as if the person who has it wont know. The idea that this is not that important for people is difficult for them to understand. Kind of like how in England people have Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Norman, etc surnames however no one really cares. Same way for Muslims its not that big of a deal. Social status is more important. For instance the surnames Butt & Bukhari indicates at one point the person in the male line would have an ancestor who was a Brahmin, & from C. Asia respectively. Their are Butt's & Bukharis who are rich, middle class, and poor. The rich will intermarry and socialize with one another, same for the middle class, and poor.

However among Hindus its very different. The chaprasi Brahmin, or the Rickshaw wala Kshatriya will take a great deal of pride in their caste, and view themselves above the millionaire Dalit socially. In Muslim society social status is more important because we view ourselves as mixed of all groups who have lived in the subcontinent. No one is impressed by a poor person regardless of what surname they might have.

Anyway the culture that Muslims created, which is practiced no where else but the subcontinent, is equally foreign for many Hindus. With one exception any thing Hindus like is ok. So the clothing, architecture, cuisine, music, poetry, etc, that's fine, however credit does not go to Muslims. Its either shared, a joint venture between foreign Muslims and Hindus, or Hindus must have done it. The idea that the Muslim culture of the subcontinent was created by the Muslims of subcontinent is not acceptable.

However what Hindus don't like or not give importance too such as Nastaliq script, or the amount of Persian/Arabic words in Urdu, giving names is not acceptable. We can look at the Hindi movement, which was done to replace Urdu because it had too many words from Persian and Arabic, and the script was perceived to be "foreign". Shuddh Hindi a language that very few can speak was a result. This would be the equivalent of people wanting to go back to Old English, because modern day English has too many French words. This was started long before BJP came into power. They are simply finishing the job.

The problem is not that Hindus want to do this, the problem is that they also want Muslims to do this. For instance even among the so called liberal Hindus on this forum I have heard why did Pakistan select the foreign Nastaliq script.

The biggest difference between the liberal Hindus and the BJP type ones is the degree which they want to remove Muslim culture. The liberal ones are not interested in renaming cities with Muslim names, or vilifying Muslim rule, however for them its a small part of India's history. And they are willing to throw a few bones to keep Indian Muslims happy. For the right wing type the Muslim era is a dark age, and they need to remove everything from that period.

Their is a small amount of truly liberal people, the aman ki asha bridgade, who don't want religion to divide people and would rather focus on the things that Muslims and Hindus have in common than different. These people have their heart in the right place, but the reality is that in the subcontinent we are divided into ethno-religious groups, and even if religion did not exist we would never have the same history, give importance to the same things, or ever agree on sharing power equally.
 
Googling is easy but reading is difficult I believe if it’s not your forte.

People in India especially the Hindutva folk as you call them blame the British for this pseudo history.

In fact on the flip side Mughal court historians have documented most things some of them may not fit in with your own narrative. Sorry I meant the Pakistani side of you in this case.

Tell it to Priti Patel brother. When she's done fulfilling duties sending brownies to Africa, maybe she'll tell us about British atrocities in India. But I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.
 
Costumes and the Urdu language. Salwar kameez, Masjids, sherwani and lehnga among other costumes. Don't forget things like the Taj Mahal and many other monuments or how about qawwali and ghazal culture. In fact Muslim's have contributed much more the the Hindu's.

LOL @ Costumes. You are talking as though Indians roamed around naked before Mughals showed up :facepalm:
Indians had their own traditional clothing. Each region had its own style.

Qawwali is lowest form of Music. Indian traditional music and dance dwarfs any of the Qawwali or ghazals. Funnily Muslims frown upon Qawwali as it is against their religion.

Muslim rulers did not contribute anything except to fill their own desires and tijories. Did not build a single thing for the benefit of the people. Did not invent anything to benefit Indians. They were happy to suppress poor Indians while they enjoyed all the riches of the land.
 
LOL @ Costumes. You are talking as though Indians roamed around naked before Mughals showed up :facepalm:
Indians had their own traditional clothing. Each region had its own style.

Qawwali is lowest form of Music. Indian traditional music and dance dwarfs any of the Qawwali or ghazals. Funnily Muslims frown upon Qawwali as it is against their religion.

Muslim rulers did not contribute anything except to fill their own desires and tijories. Did not build a single thing for the benefit of the people. Did not invent anything to benefit Indians. They were happy to suppress poor Indians while they enjoyed all the riches of the land.

I have provided a list of what the Muslim's gave to India not what the people of the subcontinent were dressing in prior to their arrival. Sure the Hindu's were dressing in lungi's and their ladies in costumes seen in "Mahabharata" type of TV shows.

"Qawwali is lowest form of Music. Indian traditional music and dance dwarfs any of the Qawwali or ghazals. Funnily Muslims frown upon Qawwali as it is against their religion." Qawwali is far batter then ancient and boring Indian Music like the weird Bharatanatyam that makes no sense to the outsider. I would rather not even talk about the roots of it! You do realize that the hundred's of millions of Muslim's of the subcontinent have different views about the Qawwali yet here you are generalizing about them all:inzi2

See the many monuments like the Taj Mahal that the Mughal's built in India. It alone attracts millions of tourists every year giving India massive income. Char minar as well as various tombs and the red fort in Delhi that was built by Shah Jahan. I can't think of even one thing that has Hindu roots in India which attracts me in the slightest, not one. Sure the Mughal's looted India too but provided in equal numbers if not more.

Nothing is ever black and white as you seem other then your hatred and contempt of Muslim/Mughal rule of India. Well it happened to deal with it:abbas2
 
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I have provided a list of what the Muslim's gave to India not what the people of the subcontinent were dressing in prior to their arrival. Sure the Hindu's were dressing in lungi's and their ladies in costumes seen in "Mahabharata" type of TV shows.

"Qawwali is lowest form of Music. Indian traditional music and dance dwarfs any of the Qawwali or ghazals. Funnily Muslims frown upon Qawwali as it is against their religion." Qawwali is far batter then ancient and boring Indian Music like the weird Bharatanatyam that makes no sense to the outsider. I would rather not even talk about the roots of it! You do realize that the hundred's of millions of Muslim's of the subcontinent have different views about the Qawwali yet here you are generalizing about them all:inzi2

See the many monuments like the Taj Mahal that the Mughal's built in India. It alone attracts millions of tourists every year giving India massive income. Char minar as well as various tombs and the red fort in Delhi that was built by Shah Jahan. I can't think of even one thing that has Hindu roots in India which attracts me in the slightest, not one. Sure the Mughal's looted India too but provided in equal numbers if not more.

Nothing is ever black and white as you seem other then your hatred and contempt of Muslim/Mughal rule of India. Well it happened to deal with it:abbas2

I will simply divide this into few arguments.

1. You somehow claim that Mughal culture is richer than Old Indian culture

And you quoting “Bharatanatyam” which is a dance form as music shows how knowledge full you are. So, thanks for enlightening us. Large part of South Indians doesn't even know about mughal culture as its not integrated much. Regionally people celebrate individual music/dance here depending on tastes. I cant compare Mughal culture/music with ours as I know zilch about it.

2. On the monuments part, let me take example of Charminar.
If you visit the forts in Northern part of India or in South, they do have intricately designed statues. But they are damaged during multiple invasions and lack of historical preservation efforts as being part of earlier history.
Just cause Nizam’s built it doesnt make them heroes. As being the recent part of history, they are considered the worst due to their treatment of tribals, submitting to british etc etc. But would the average hyderabadi care?? No. Would an average muslim in hyderabad care? No

You arguing for Mughal empire to be part of education is cause, you feel the supremacy with being associated with Muslim rulers. Particularly you bring the religion in every aspect and later cry foul game. This is hypocrisy.

3. Heck, Bollywood is facing backlash for not understanding the tastes of Indian dispora. And you come and belittle regional cultures like Bharatanatyam which you know little about.
 
I will simply divide this into few arguments.

1. You somehow claim that Mughal culture is richer than Old Indian culture

And you quoting “Bharatanatyam” which is a dance form as music shows how knowledge full you are. So, thanks for enlightening us. Large part of South Indians doesn't even know about mughal culture as its not integrated much. Regionally people celebrate individual music/dance here depending on tastes. I cant compare Mughal culture/music with ours as I know zilch about it.

2. On the monuments part, let me take example of Charminar.
If you visit the forts in Northern part of India or in South, they do have intricately designed statues. But they are damaged during multiple invasions and lack of historical preservation efforts as being part of earlier history.
Just cause Nizam’s built it doesnt make them heroes. As being the recent part of history, they are considered the worst due to their treatment of tribals, submitting to british etc etc. But would the average hyderabadi care?? No. Would an average muslim in hyderabad care? No

You arguing for Mughal empire to be part of education is cause, you feel the supremacy with being associated with Muslim rulers. Particularly you bring the religion in every aspect and later cry foul game. This is hypocrisy.

3. Heck, Bollywood is facing backlash for not understanding the tastes of Indian dispora. And you come and belittle regional cultures like Bharatanatyam which you know little about.

You initial point is wrong itself! I am telling people like you about the Moghul and Muslim cultural impact on India that Hindu's seem to belittle for no good reason. What do you know about Mogul culture is nothing! The takeaways all over the world that sell kebabs and all are essentially selling Moghul food! Did you know for example that biryani and shami kebabs were introduced by the Moghuls Are you aware of the many costumes in the entire subcontinent that have Moghul roots?How do you want for South Asian's to "care" about it? You admit to knowing nothing about Moghul culture, enuff said! Thanks for admitting your ignorance on the subject.

Bharatantyam is a weird dance accompanied by music just like most dances are then what have i said that is incorrect?. What makes you feel good about it? What has Bharatanatyam contributed to human thought that we should all go gaga about it??

Yes indeed Muslim's do care about what they have contributed be the structures damaged or not. So what is the point you are making here talking of them being damaged by invaders or the Brits? Muslim's are not stopping the Hindu's taking pride in what they have built then why the continuous hostility towards the Moghuls? Religion and culture are two very different things anyway if i feel Muslim and Moghul culture is superior then why does it bother people like you? The RSS are always talking up how great ancient Hindu's were that even aliens visited them and they had plastic surgery in the subcontinent trillions of years back!:jofra

"Heck, Bollywood is facing backlash for not understanding the tastes of Indian dispora" What is this supposed to mean? I have read articles about Bharatanatyam by Hindu thinkers lets just leave it at that:abbas2 I am not an ignorant like Nupur Sharma making silly comments about things she doesn't understand. You go and tell your Bollywood to showcase their own Hindu greatness instead of always kissing the west's behind!:virat1 Nowhere did i claim for Moghul culture to be older then Indian culture but yes it is and was far more influential.
 
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Why is Modi so scared of history textbooks?
The PM’s party is editing textbooks to create a fantasy of India as a Hindu-only nation that has always been loving and just. Truth be damned.

After nine years in power, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Hindu nationalist government has finally defeated the long departed Mughal Empire and other Muslim rulers.

It has quietly pushed them to the margins in school textbooks, where they had occupied significant territory for the past seven decades, recent revelations show.

Several pages on the Mughal rulers and Delhi Sultanate have been deleted from the textbooks of different classes. The Mughals have not disappeared entirely, but students will no longer learn of the milestones and achievements of some of India’s most important rulers even though their legacy lives on in the architecture and cultural landscape of India.

It’s shocking – how will students make sense of present-day India without understanding the role and contribution of Mughal and Muslim rulers?

Yet these edits aren’t surprising. They are in keeping with the ideological agenda of Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which seeks to portray India as a historically Hindu-only land. Any other presence, especially of Muslims, is to be seen as an intrusion and pollution – a distortion of the ideal original past that the BJP wants to persuade Indians was the reality.

School textbooks have made Indian Muslims an inalienable part of the national memory with their history long predating an invasion and their immense contributions an inescapable reality, so this legacy must be deleted. Mughals and Muslim rulers must be referenced only as cruel invaders.

This approach is in sync with the renaming of Muslim-sounding towns and roads. The historic city of Allahabad is now Prayagraj. Aurangabad is Chhatrapati Sambhaji Nagar, and Osmanabad is Dharashiv. The demolition of the Babri Mosque in 1992 in Ayodhya was part of this great anti-Muslim cultural purge. The Gyanvapi Mosque in Varanasi and the Shahi Mosque in Mathura have been identified as next in line.

The marginalisation of Mughals and Muslims in textbooks mirrors what Muslims in Modi’s India are facing in real life. The recent textbook edits are part of a cultural genocide.

But this war against history has many more enemies. It isn’t enough that the past and the present be uniquely Hindu. They must also be harmoniously Hindu. Anything that shows conflict or tension in society must be eliminated. That’s why, in addition to Muslim history, the truth about caste and its legacy of untouchability and exclusion are also being whitewashed by the textbook revisionists, who want future generations to believe in the fantasy of an India that was – and is – free of conflict.

More recent history also makes the BJP uncomfortable, such as the Hindu extremist background of Nathuram Godse, the man who assassinated Mahatma Gandhi in 1948. Godse was part of a Hindu supremacist network led by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh organisation, the ideological fountainhead of the BJP. He killed Gandhi because of Gandhi’s insistence on a secular India. The parts of history books that detailed these links have been deleted too, and Godse comes across as a lone wolf.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/...-so-scared-of-history-textbooks?sf176780631=1
 
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