India [326 & 70/2] beat Australia [195 & 200] by 8 wickets to win 2nd Test [1-1]

[MenInG]

India managed to turn around the series after winning the second Test match convincingly against Australia at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. They were on the backfoot after the debacle in Adelaide and did not have the services of their captain Virat Kohli. On top of that Mohammed Shami was missing due to injury while Umesh picked up a niggle during the second innings. Things were going against India but the team powered through all the adversities.

They defeated Australia by 8 wickets with Ajinkya Rahane shining with the bat and with his leadership skills. The 32-year-old was instrumental in the win as smashed a century in the first innings when India were on the backfoot due to a fall of wickets. It proved to be a pivotal innings as India eventually came on top due to their superiority in batting during the Test.

India head coach Ravi Shastri was impressed with Rahane’s hundred and the innings as the turning point of the second Test against Australia.

“I think, it was the innings of Ajinkya Rahane.”Shastri said Rahane batted on probably the toughest day when the conditions were overcast.

“The discipline, you know on such a big stage...When he (Rahane) went out to bat, we were 2 down for 60, and then to bat six hours, on probably the toughest day to bat, because it was overcast all day and he batted for six hours, unbelievable concentration,” the former batsman recalled.

“I thought that was the turning point. His innings was the turning point,” he added at the post-match virtual press conference.

Rahane scored 112 runs in the first innings off 223 balls and managed to stitch important partnerships with Hanuma Vihari, Rishabh Pant and Ravindra Jadeja as India took a 131-run lead after the first innings.

However, the stand-in captain refused to take credit for his Man of the Match show in the second Test and chose to highlight the performance of debutants Mohammed Siraj and Shubman Gill.

“Shubman, we all know his first-class career and in this game, he has shown the intent to play shots at this level. Has shown composure. Siraj has shown that he can bowl with discipline. It’s really difficult for debutants to bowl with discipline but that’s where I think the first-class experience comes in handy,” he pointed.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...f-the-match/story-BqqWKDLHqVlhe8n7Ho9ZeJ.html

 

[Local.Dada]

Yet the same team was marmalised 1-4 by a weak side in England, so I don't rate them.

Nah you just sound a little sore. Let me ask you this India won without Kohli,Shami, Ishant,Rohit, would Aussies even be able to compete in SC without comparable players: Smith (Kohli) Cummins (Shami) Hazelwood (Ishant) and Labu (Rohit), I should have compared Warner and Rohit but given Rohits test career so far, even bringing him down to a level of a relatively new comer .

Indian team overall is the best team in the world if you account for bench strength and the quality of new comers coming in.

Rest what you rate or don’t rate doesn’t matter, it’s a matter of bias or prejudice

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We are missing Kohli, Ishant and Shami.

But we lost the first game when both Kohli and Shami played.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

BHag jaidrath bhaaag

Toss Tyron Toss

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

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WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO

BOOOOOOM.

Wow wow wow.

 

[mystical man]

Same team din't Play. Go have a look.

Bumrah missed 2 games
Bhuvi din't play the whole series.

Mayank never played
Rohit din't play or Gill whatever you like from the two

Jaddu and Ashwin never played together

You never played or beat our best team. Besides we dint play any practice games before a major test series. We went straight from odi to tests.

I am 100© sure India can beat England in England if they play at full strength, provided they play some county practice games as well.

Mayank and Rohit were in form in 2018. Mayank din't play IPl. He modified his stance after 2018.

All said and done we need to beat new zealand and England to be rated as one of the best Asian sides other wise we are an average test cricketing nation.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

1. Woke up at 6 am.

2. Realized 1 hour of play had occurred.

3. Took a deeep breath and checked Cricbuzz hoping India had bundled them out and chased the runs.

4. Saw Aus still batting.

5. Heart sank. Thought they were already 100+ ahead.

6. Looked closely. 8 wickets down and they were just 50 odd ahead.

7. Felt ok.

8. Knew we just had to be a bit patient.

9. Watched a bit of game.

10. No wickets were falling.

11. Took a small break.

12. Wickets fell and the innings was wrapped up.

13. Heaved a sigh of relief.

14. Got back to my work knowing India will chase it down.

15. And they chased it after a minor hiccup with Rahane hitting the winning run in what would be the most fitting end to this AMAZING test match.

What an end to the 2020.

Face had a smile plastered over it the whole damn day.

Thank you Indian cricket team for this incredible performance.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Actually wasn't working.

Was browsing the web and casually chatting knowing India will get it done.

Didn't even know we were 19-2 at one point lol.

Tuned in at the end to see Rahane struggling to put away Lyon (still ) ) but ended up hitting the winning run.

 

[Local.Dada]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] Flip the time zones and my story also same

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] Flip the time zones and my story also same

Haha what a day for the fans.

 

[Ab Fan]

Playing XI for next test:-

Rohit
Gill
Pujara
Rahane(c)
Vihari
Pant(wkt)
Jadeja
Ashwin
Bumrah
Siraj
Natarajan

 

[JaDed]

Playing XI for next test:-

Rohit
Gill
Pujara
Rahane(c)
Vihari
Pant(wkt)
Jadeja
Ashwin
Bumrah
Siraj
Natarajan

Lol at Rohit opening what?

 

[Saurav]

So so proud of this team.Our win in 2018 was demeaned by posters here because of absence of Smith and Labusachne.But here we missed Kohli,Ishant,Shami,Bhuvi and even Umesh in 2nd innings.To win from there shows why India is truly top team.Can you imagine Aus winning in India without Smith,Cummins and Lyon?

Some posters are still salty here.Lovely

 

[Saurav]

Playing XI for next test:-

Rohit
Gill
Pujara
Rahane(c)
Vihari
Pant(wkt)
Jadeja
Ashwin
Bumrah
Siraj
Natarajan

Rohit will replace Mayank unfortunately
Saini will replace Umesh

 

[Saurav]

All said and done we need to beat new zealand and England to be rated as one of the best Asian sides other wise we are an average test cricketing nation.

Which Asian side is ahead?

 

[Saurav]

There was no asterisk.

Exactly.

 

[Hasan123]

1. Woke up at 6 am.

2. Realized 1 hour of play had occurred.

3. Took a deeep breath and checked Cricbuzz hoping India had bundled them out and chased the runs.

4. Saw Aus still batting.

5. Heart sank. Thought they were already 100+ ahead.

6. Looked closely. 8 wickets down and they were just 50 odd ahead.

7. Felt ok.

8. Knew we just had to be a bit patient.

9. Watched a bit of game.

10. No wickets were falling.

11. Took a small break.

12. Wickets fell and the innings was wrapped up.

13. Heaved a sigh of relief.

14. Got back to my work knowing India will chase it down.

15. And they chased it after a minor hiccup with Rahane hitting the winning run in what would be the most fitting end to this AMAZING test match.

What an end to the 2020.

Face had a smile plastered over it the whole damn day.

Thank you Indian cricket team for this incredible performance.

Great win for India. Genuinely didn't see it coming. Expecting Australia to bounce back. They need Warner back.

 

[Saj]

This was some comeback by India, especially after being humiliated for 36 all out in the first Test.

Just shows there are some very mentally strong players in the current Indian group.

All set up for a fantastic series.

 

[Saurav]

Great win for India. Genuinely didn't see it coming. Expecting Australia to bounce back. They need Warner back.

Australia will make a greentop now that we are missing everyone except Bumrah.Will also negate our spinners

 

[Saurav]

But we lost the first game when both Kohli and Shami played.

So you agree that 2018 win was valid since Aus lost with Smith and Labu here?

 

[Slog]

Australia will make a greentop now that we are missing everyone except Bumrah.Will also negate our spinners

Lol that would be recipe for disaster. Their batsmen are largely useless and would get rolled over on a green top. Indian batsmen are definitely much more equipped for green tips.

Secondly green top pitches don’t suit Cummins and esp Starc imo.

 

[Hasan123]

Australia will make a greentop now that we are missing everyone except Bumrah.Will also negate our spinners

That would take Lyon out of the game. They should produce a typical Australian pitch as more often than they not they will beat teams in those conditions.

 

[Slog]

So so proud of this team.Our win in 2018 was demeaned by posters here because of absence of Smith and Labusachne.But here we missed Kohli,Ishant,Shami,Bhuvi and even Umesh in 2nd innings.To win from there shows why India is truly top team.Can you imagine Aus winning in India without Smith,Cummins and Lyon?

Some posters are still salty here.Lovely

Smith and Labushagne? I thought it was Smith and Warner? And lol you can’t include bhuvi wth lol. That’s like an Aussie including Pattinson

 

[Local.Dada]

Smith and Labushagne? I thought it was Smith and Warner? And lol you can’t include bhuvi wth lol. That’s like an Aussie including Pattinson

If India bowls out teams without Ashwin and Jadeja in SC which is a possibility would you just attribute it to India being dominant at home or winning without 2 premier spinners?

Similarly Australia is expected to roll over teams at home, you can’t expect Australia to become Zimbabwe by removing 1-2 batsmen. Also this and the bowling attack that played in 2018, is collectively the greatest Aussie bowling unit. (Not my words by Aussies themselves).

Anyway listening to lot of salty statements ( not you personally) some part of me also started questioning if the 2018 was really an achievement but beating Australia with 4 bowlers (1 debutant) and injury to another big player like Umesh we beat their team without just 1 star and that too trashed them badly. This win is definitely liberating and hopefully put a stop to people picking and choosing caveats.

 

[Saurav]

Smith and Labushagne? I thought it was Smith and Warner? And lol you can’t include bhuvi wth lol. That’s like an Aussie including Pattinson

The argument was Smith and the improved Labushagne

Warner too yes,but I doubt he'd have made much difference.Ashwin does well vs lefties

Bhuvi is our 4th seamer when fit overseas after Bumrah,Ishant and Shami.Given a choice,he'd have played over Siraj

Pattinson would have been there had one of Aus pacer been injured,no?

Anyway bigger point is that it shows character and bench strength

 

[Saurav]

When was the last time a team missing its main players beat India in India in Tests?

 

[Saurav]

That would take Lyon out of the game. They should produce a typical Australian pitch as more often than they not they will beat teams in those conditions.

Yeah the one with pace and bounce.I doubt they care about Lyon as long as it takes out Ashwin and Jadeja and also strengthens their pace bowling

 

[Slog]

If India bowls out teams without Ashwin and Jadeja in SC which is a possibility would you just attribute it to India being dominant at home or winning without 2 premier spinners?

Similarly Australia is expected to roll over teams at home, you can’t expect Australia to become Zimbabwe by removing 1-2 batsmen. Also this and the bowling attack that played in 2018, is collectively the greatest Aussie bowling unit. (Not my words by Aussies themselves).

Anyway listening to lot of salty statements ( not you personally) some part of me also started questioning if the 2018 was really an achievement but beating Australia with 4 bowlers (1 debutant) and injury to another big player like Umesh we beat their team without just 1 star and that too trashed them badly. This win is definitely liberating and hopefully put a stop to people picking and choosing caveats.

The caveats will be there by the naysayers obv. Let’s see what final score is here.

Also this india team IS superior to Australia. This isn’t a great australia side. While this is one of India’s greatest ever sides. Even with full strength Aussie side, india would a mostly certainly be competitive in Australia and trash Australia in India.

 

[MP2011]

People offering excuses for our win in '18 is so demeaning to that Indian team which won fair and square. However that doesn't matter. What matters is that apart from SA (twice) and England (once), we are the only team which defeated Australia in their own den during last decade.

 

[MP2011]

If not for pathetic rain at SCG in '18, we'd have thrashed them 3-1 which would have been true reflection of the relative strengths of both the teams.

 

[Hyperion66]

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WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO

BOOOOOOM.

Wow wow wow.

Thankfully I didn't have to take any early morning shots, sara din fir pet kharab rehta hai

 

[Hyperion66]

If not for pathetic rain at SCG in '18, we'd have thrashed them 3-1 which would have been true reflection of the relative strengths of both the teams.

True, agree completely.

 

[Hyperion66]

The caveats will be there by the naysayers obv. Let’s see what final score is here.

Also this india team IS superior to Australia. This isn’t a great australia side. While this is one of India’s greatest ever sides. Even with full strength Aussie side, india would a mostly certainly be competitive in Australia and trash Australia in India.

You gotta be kidding me, right? This batting line up is the worst Indian line-up since I started watching cricket. Yes, bowling is sublime but overall no way comparable to the team we had from 2002/3-2008/9. Gambhir won us test matches away not even talking about fab 5.

 

[Babbar]

Give me Sachin- Sehwag- Gambhir-Dravid-Laxman-Ganguli-Dhoni-Yuvaraj over Mayank-Shaw-Pujara-Gill-Rahane-Vihari-Kohli-Saha any day. This India batting is the worst in the last 15 years.

 

[Kroll]

Give me Sachin- Sehwag- Gambhir-Dravid-Laxman-Ganguli-Dhoni-Yuvaraj over Mayank-Shaw-Pujara-Gill-Rahane-Vihari-Kohli-Saha any day. This India batting is the worst in the last 15 years.

Don't get too greedy, it's not even a contest when it comes to Pak top order. Plus you have the best bowling not only in Indian history but the best in world right now.

 

[Slog]

You gotta be kidding me, right? This batting line up is the worst Indian line-up since I started watching cricket. Yes, bowling is sublime but overall no way comparable to the team we had from 2002/3-2008/9. Gambhir won us test matches away not even talking about fab 5.

I said one of the greatest sides. Not the greatest. And even then they are very comparable . In a head to head Prolly the 2007-2010 side may beat it in India but it would be close run. Away this side is likely to win.

 

[Slog]

If India bowls out teams without Ashwin and Jadeja in SC which is a possibility would you just attribute it to India being dominant at home or winning without 2 premier spinners?

Similarly Australia is expected to roll over teams at home, you can’t expect Australia to become Zimbabwe by removing 1-2 batsmen. Also this and the bowling attack that played in 2018, is collectively the greatest Aussie bowling unit. (Not my words by Aussies themselves).

Anyway listening to lot of salty statements ( not you personally) some part of me also started questioning if the 2018 was really an achievement but beating Australia with 4 bowlers (1 debutant) and injury to another big player like Umesh we beat their team without just 1 star and that too trashed them badly. This win is definitely liberating and hopefully put a stop to people picking and choosing caveats.

Btw how is this the greatest Australian bowling attack ever. It’s not. The best is: McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Warne. People underrate Gillespie a lot for some reason.

If you combine both bowling attacks, the best four would be:
McGrath
Cummins
Gillespie
Warne.

 

[Dingolfy]

Give me Sachin- Sehwag- Gambhir-Dravid-Laxman-Ganguli-Dhoni-Yuvaraj over Mayank-Shaw-Pujara-Gill-Rahane-Vihari-Kohli-Saha any day. This India batting is the worst in the last 15 years.

Dhoni and Yuvraj were never good test players especially in SENA.

 

[Hyperion66]

I said one of the greatest sides. Not the greatest. And even then they are very comparable . In a head to head Prolly the 2007-2010 side may beat it in India but it would be close run. Away this side is likely to win.

I beg to differ. That 2007-10 team gave a GOAT Aussie team a run for their money, won against NZ in NZ, drawn against an ATG SA in SA, would have won the series if not for Kallis' heroic defense in the last test. That batting was just way too superior man, could dominate any bowling anywhere. In a 5 match series away say in England or NZ that team would probably win 4-1. With all due respect to Bumrah and Co they never had to bowl against any batting even remotely comparable to that line-up consisted of a Peak Gambhir-Shewag-Dhoni, Sachin, Dravid and Laxman.

 

[Yk313]

1. Woke up at 6 am.

2. Realized 1 hour of play had occurred.

3. Took a deeep breath and checked Cricbuzz hoping India had bundled them out and chased the runs.

4. Saw Aus still batting.

5. Heart sank. Thought they were already 100+ ahead.

6. Looked closely. 8 wickets down and they were just 50 odd ahead.

7. Felt ok.

8. Knew we just had to be a bit patient.

9. Watched a bit of game.

10. No wickets were falling.

11. Took a small break.

12. Wickets fell and the innings was wrapped up.

13. Heaved a sigh of relief.

14. Got back to my work knowing India will chase it down.

15. And they chased it after a minor hiccup with Rahane hitting the winning run in what would be the most fitting end to this AMAZING test match.

What an end to the 2020.

Face had a smile plastered over it the whole damn day.

Thank you Indian cricket team for this incredible performance.

Lol, there is this Fardeen Khan movie called "Khushi" in which one of the songs basically starts with his bathroom routine:

1. Woke up

2. Brushed my teeth

3. Had a shower

4. And a shave

You get the point. For some reason, I read through your list like that.

Wonderful win people, celebrate this one long and hard. And do not squander the lessons you have picked up from this one for the next few games.

 

[Local.Dada]

I said one of the greatest sides. Not the greatest. And even then they are very comparable . In a head to head Prolly the 2007-2010 side may beat it in India but it would be close run. Away this side is likely to win.

I didn’t say that, that’s what the Aussie commentary team including Allan Border and Warne were claiming it as. Obviously people missed it when india was getting knocked out while they were batting but obviously it doesn’t count now because India won anyway, so it’s ok I wouldn’t spend too much time going on a stats rabbit hole. However looking at the bowling attack, I think Aussies have pretty much one of the best bowling line ups in the world along with India and May be to some extent England (who don’t have a good spinner anymore with Ali declining)

 

[Yk313]

Btw how is this the greatest Australian bowling attack ever. It’s not. The best is: McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Warne. People underrate Gillespie a lot for some reason.

If you combine both bowling attacks, the best four would be:
McGrath
Cummins
Gillespie
Warne.

For some reason? He got the bounce that McGrath got with added pace. The variable he compromised on was accuracy but he was a strike bowler that most would have loved to have in the team.

 

[Yk313]

I didn’t say that, that’s what the Aussie commentary team including Allan Border and Warne were claiming it as. Obviously people missed it when india was getting knocked out while they were batting but obviously it doesn’t count now because India won anyway, so it’s ok I wouldn’t spend too much time going on a stats rabbit hole. However looking at the bowling attack, I think Aussies have pretty much one of the best bowling line ups in the world along with India and May be to some extent England (who don’t have a good spinner anymore with Ali declining)

Not sure about the ability of the ENG line-up to take 20 wickets in Asia, UAE etc.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Btw how is this the greatest Australian bowling attack ever. It’s not. The best is: McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Warne. People underrate Gillespie a lot for some reason.

If you combine both bowling attacks, the best four would be:
McGrath
Cummins
Gillespie
Warne.

Gillespie was a very good bowler but a bit too hit and miss. A lot of plays and misses and great as part of the attack but not someone who influenced a match/series by himself. I'd take Hazlewood or even Starc over him.

 

[Yk313]

Gillespie was a very good bowler but a bit too hit and miss. A lot of plays and misses and great as part of the attack but not someone who influenced a match/series by himself. I'd take Hazlewood or even Starc over him.

I wouldn't take Starc. Not sure how many series he's had where he's been the flag-bearer and leader of strike. Personally, would not take Hazlewood if I have already got McGrath. Would be between Lee, Cummins, Gillespie for the two slots.

That's assuming we are not going pre-2000s.

 

[Slog]

I didn’t say that, that’s what the Aussie commentary team including Allan Border and Warne were claiming it as. Obviously people missed it when india was getting knocked out while they were batting but obviously it doesn’t count now because India won anyway, so it’s ok I wouldn’t spend too much time going on a stats rabbit hole. However looking at the bowling attack, I think Aussies have pretty much one of the best bowling line ups in the world along with India and May be to some extent England (who don’t have a good spinner anymore with Ali declining)

The Aussies are used to hyperbole. Take their words with a pinch of salt. I’m surprised that as a long term follower you put that much stock in their words. It is full of contradictions and esp when it is for media consumption and headlines.

Justin Langer himself has said “Virat Kohli is the best batsman I have ever seen.” And prior to that he had same same about Steve Smith and then he said that again recently in 2019. He has given same statements regarding Ponting. I’m sure about Sachin at some point too. So one has to ask which one is it?

Shane Warne and some others are prone to even more hyperbole. You could literally come up with a page full of his contradictory statements.

So yes. This Australian attack is a great great attack. But it is not the best ever Aussie attack and certainly using Warne and Border’s words as evidence isn’t the best strategy in this case.

 

[Slog]

Gillespie was a very good bowler but a bit too hit and miss. A lot of plays and misses and great as part of the attack but not someone who influenced a match/series by himself. I'd take Hazlewood or even Starc over him.

Gillespie is significantly superior to Starc.There is no question about it in test cricket. Hazelwood is more of a match but it’s very even Stevens. You’re not hit and miss with an average of 26. Also Hazelwood’s style is more similar to McGrath so for variety in bowling styles I would go with Gillespie in my attack.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Toss Tyron Toss

Pant jaidrath pant
Gill jaidrath Gill

 

[tyron_woodley]

Toss Tyron Toss

I was right about everything as usual.

Toss din't matter in pink ball not red ball for Kohli.

I said Kohli beta. Not Rahane. Rahane it's too early to judge. His sample size is small.

Unblemished Tyron.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Smith and Labushagne? I thought it was Smith and Warner? And lol you can’t include bhuvi wth lol. That’s like an Aussie including Pattinson

Bhuvi is a very good bowler. He can keep it tight on one end and build pressure. Give ample rest to our strike bowlers. He can also bat. He is very important to India along with our frontline 3.

Don't go by what Indian selectors pick. There is alot of selection bias.

But frontline 3 plus Bhuvi is our strongest lineup and that would be deadly Vs any team plus Ashwin.

Unfortunately jaddu has to be left out and that kills me.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Btw how is this the greatest Australian bowling attack ever. It’s not. The best is: McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Warne. People underrate Gillespie a lot for some reason.

If you combine both bowling attacks, the best four would be:
McGrath
Cummins
Gillespie
Warne.

Hazelwood better than Gillespie bro.

Warner
Hayden
Punter
Smith
Labuschagne (better than clarke)
Gilly
Martyn or you could have potentially green
Cummins
Hazelwood
McGrath
Warne

Drop off quality between Hazelwood and Gillespie is barely minimal.

Drop off between Cummins and McGrath is very minimal.

Starc is better than Lee

Warne is ahead of Lyon.

Overall 6-5 in favour of old Australia. It's still a great side now.

 

[Slog]

Hazelwood better than Gillespie bro.

Warner
Hayden
Punter
Smith
Labuschagne (better than clarke)
Gilly
Martyn or you could have potentially green
Cummins
Hazelwood
McGrath
Warne

Drop off quality between Hazelwood and Gillespie is barely minimal.

Drop off between Cummins and McGrath is very minimal.

Starc is better than Lee

Warne is ahead of Lyon.

Overall 6-5 in favour of old Australia. It's still a great side now.

Lmao you are really reaching.

Labushagne already better than Clarke )

Warner’s not playing this series but even then most people may pick Langer over him. Warner’s strength is to lay the opposition on the mat with his onslaught tho.

Cummins would make it over Lee but Hazelwood and Gillespie are equivalent.

But to top it off. The fact you think that you could potentially have Green over Martyn says everything about your reaching here

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lmao you are really reaching.

Labushagne already better than Clarke )

Warner’s not playing this series but even then most people may pick Langer over him. Warner’s strength is to lay the opposition on the mat with his onslaught tho.

Cummins would make it over Lee but Hazelwood and Gillespie are equivalent.

But to top it off. The fact you think that you could potentially have Green over Martyn says everything about your reaching here

Cummins is as good as macgrath.
Aussies themselves believe so. I live in Australia.
Hazelwood is better or equal to Gillespie
Starc better than Lee
Lyon is inferior to Warne

Actually current attack is superior with the addition of green. Old team dint have an all rounder in 2002-2006.

Old team had better batting.

It's up to the selector really. I would take green over Martyn for balance. Martyn is a great batsman.

Labuschagne is better than clarke. Clarke never excelled vs good pace bowlers. Labuschagne is tough and fights it out vs too bowlers.

I judge players on ability not numbers.

Green has serious potential.

People understimate the importance of an extra bowler. They give more rest to premium bowlers and if they can bat, it's a bonus. Green does that.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Cummins is as good as macgrath.
Aussies themselves believe so. I live in Australia.

And Indians these days believe Kohli’s as good as Tendulkar. Nuff said

 

[tyron_woodley]

And Indians these days believe Kohli’s as good as Tendulkar. Nuff said

Kohli is though. He is as good as tendu. Kohli is an all format player. Give him exposure to just tests specifically and his record would be close to Smith.

I would say Cummins is actually even better than McGrath. McGrath played and excelled in spicy pitches. On Pattas he struggled. Check his beautiful record in Pakistan.

In terms of skill Cummins is one of Aussies best ever. I judge based on skill. I don't care about their stats. Ability counts more.

Stats can be easily padded.

There is a reason why I believe bumrah was special. I saw his ability. There was dear factor. Same with Cummins.

 

[Slog]

Cummins is as good as macgrath.
Aussies themselves believe so. I live in Australia.
Hazelwood is better or equal to Gillespie
Starc better than Lee
Lyon is inferior to Warne

Actually current attack is superior with the addition of green. Old team dint have an all rounder in 2002-2006.

Old team had better batting.

It's up to the selector really. I would take green over Martyn for balance. Martyn is a great batsman.

Labuschagne is better than clarke. Clarke never excelled vs good pace bowlers. Labuschagne is tough and fights it out vs too bowlers.

I judge players on ability not numbers.

Green has serious potential.

People understimate the importance of an extra bowler. They give more rest to premium bowlers and if they can bat, it's a bonus. Green does that.

You seem like a typical Pakistani fan judging players on their potential than their actual numbers

If Aussies believe Cummins is as good as McGrath then you are hanging out with the wrong Aussies or they don’t know much.

 

[Ab Fan]

It is very much possible that 10 years down the line, people will rate Cummins at about same level as McGrath. Nostalgia is nice but one shouldn't demean the modern era performance.

Labuschagne was averaging 60+ in tests before this series. So, again it is very much possible for him to hit the elite level of Martyn or Clarke. Same Labu was hitting hundreds for fun against other bowlers a year ago.

This is a top top Australian team and arguably their second best bowling attack of all-time with all their pacers at peak unlike other teams managing to win when McGrath or Warne were past their prime.

 

[MP2011]

Gillespie was a very good bowler but a bit too hit and miss. A lot of plays and misses and great as part of the attack but not someone who influenced a match/series by himself. I'd take Hazlewood or even Starc over him.

Disagree completely. Gillespie was a gun. Starc is nowhere near Gillespie. Have a look at his stats pre and post Sandpapergate.

As for Hazlewood, he still has long way to reach Gillespie's standards.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Cummins is as good as macgrath.

Come on man, stop, please dont make statements like this.

Hazelwood is better or equal to Gillespie

This one is a more reasonable comparison, however I would give the edge to Dizzy, but not wrong to pick either one, purely on personal choice here.

Starc better than Lee

Not in Australia, Lee was a yard quicker and way more intimidating, when combined with Mcgrath & Gillespie he was unplayable. Lee wins here.

Lyon is inferior to Warne

Obvious...

Actually current attack is superior with the addition of green. Old team dint have an all rounder in 2002-2006.

That old Aussie side from late 90s to mid 2000s did not need an allrounder, every player on that side was good to great. Green is still in his nappies.


Labuschagne is better than clarke. Clarke never excelled vs good pace bowlers. Labuschagne is tough and fights it out vs too bowlers.

Clarke destroys Labuschange in every way, not even a comparison.



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[Romali_rotti]

Cummins is as good as macgrath.

Come on man, stop, please dont make statements like this.

Hazelwood is better or equal to Gillespie

This one is a more reasonable comparison, however I would give the edge to Dizzy, but not wrong to pick either one, purely on personal choice here.

Starc better than Lee

Not in Australia, Lee was a yard quicker and way more intimidating, when combined with Mcgrath & Gillespie he was unplayable. Lee wins here.

Lyon is inferior to Warne

Obvious...

Actually current attack is superior with the addition of green. Old team dint have an all rounder in 2002-2006.

That old Aussie side from late 90s to mid 2000s did not need an allrounder, every player on that side was good to great. Green is still in his nappies.


Labuschagne is better than clarke. Clarke never excelled vs good pace bowlers. Labuschagne is tough and fights it out vs too bowlers.

Clarke destroys Labuschange in every way, not even a comparison.



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[MP2011]

Gillespie was a very good bowler but a bit too hit and miss. A lot of plays and misses and great as part of the attack but not someone who influenced a match/series by himself. I'd take Hazlewood or even Starc over him.

Disagree completely. Gillespie was a gun. Starc is nowhere near Gillespie. Have a look at his stats pre and post Sandpapergate.

As for Hazlewood, he still has long way to reach Gillespie's standards.

 

[tyron_woodley]

It is very much possible that 10 years down the line, people will rate Cummins at about same level as McGrath. Nostalgia is nice but one shouldn't demean the modern era performance.

Labuschagne was averaging 60+ in tests before this series. So, again it is very much possible for him to hit the elite level of Martyn or Clarke. Same Labu was hitting hundreds for fun against other bowlers a year ago.

This is a top top Australian team and arguably their second best bowling attack of all-time with all their pacers at peak unlike other teams managing to win when McGrath or Warne were past their prime.

This is exactly what I said. People are too nostalgic.

 

[Slog]

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Yea I am baffled as to how he says Labushagne is better than Clarke and Green can be potentially picked over Martyn.

Only Cummins could come in for Lee imo for the bowling line up.

Openers even In Hayden there is already an aggressive opener so many many pick Langer over Warner to balance it out. But still you can pick Warner for personal preference .

Rest are laughable.

 

[tyron_woodley]

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I am sorry. I am not nostalgic Like you guys. I don't believe so.

Labuschagne has shown better skills vs pace than clarke ever did imo.

Clarke feasted on weak bowling. The moment he faced rabada etc he struggled.

Hazelwood is better or equal to Gillespie.

Starc is superior to Lee everywhere. Let's be real. Lee was pretty mediocre outside Australia and South africa.

Even in Australia their records are similar.

Green is more important for balance. Times have changed. I would not be surprised if current Aussies decimate old Aussies of 2000 era. Bowling is superior. Better all rounder.

gOAT Smith and labuschagne etc.

Their batsmen struggled vs a quality attack but they still destroyed plenty of other quality attacks over the years.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yea I am baffled as to how he says Labushagne is better than Clarke and Green can be potentially picked over Martyn.

Only Cummins could come in for Lee imo for the bowling line up.

Openers even In Hayden there is already an aggressive opener so many many pick Langer over Warner to balance it out. But still you can pick Warner for personal preference .

Rest are laughable.

At the end of their careers let's see who is laughing.

Everything I say is probably true. I look at their skillset and ability and make my opinions. I don't see those 2000 Aussies faring well vs current pace attack of Australia.

 

[MenInG]

India and the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG) go together like Chicken Masala and Basmati rice. Perhaps, that should read an aroused India and the MCG combine like Rogan Josh and Basmati rice.

Following the latest crushing victory under Ajinkya Rahane's imaginative leadership, that's four times India have beaten Australia at the Melbourne Coliseum. That's like saying four times the Christians overcame the Lions.


Apart from the first victory in 1977-78 which was comprehensive and I missed because I was otherwise occupied with World Series Cricket, the rest have been hard won in adverse circumstances.

In 1980-81, India was never going to win, especially after skipper Sunil Gavaskar threatened to take his batting partner from the field. However, that all changed when Karsan Ghavri bowled Greg Chappell first ball and Australia eventually fell 59 short of the meagre 143 target.

Then, in 2018-19, India were sufficiently chastened after losing in Perth by a large margin that saw the series levelled at 1-all. They needed an inspirational performance and they got it from Jasprit Bumrah with nine wickets for the match.

Those three were all meritorious victories but they can't match the latest version of David overcoming Goliath in a Coliseum. Battered by being dismissed for a deflating 36 in Adelaide and bruised by the loss of skipper Virat Kohli and fast bowler Mohammed Shami, India conjured up a remarkable victory that would have done Harry Houdini proud.

Led by the unflappable Rahane and again inspired by Bumrah's mastery at the MCG, India overcame an acclaimed attack on a spicy pitch and the loss of yet another injured fast bowler, to level the series and leave Australia with some serious selection headaches.

This latest win is up there alongside the incredible WACA victory in 2007-08 and the miracle at Kolkata in 2000-01.

And one of the more amazing things about the fourth victory at the MCG; after Tim Paine won the toss and decided to bat, India walked on to the ground looking full of confidence. It was like they were suffering from dementia; they couldn't remember last week but they had clear recall of distant victories.

Two players were responsible for this bout of confidence. Firstly, there was the captain with his calm, clear thinking approach and then there was Jasbrit Bumrah, the leader of an attack that is threatening to replicate the magnificent feats of their predecessors in 2018-19.

This pair proved that appearances weren't deceiving. Inspired by their calmness and their deeds, other heroes surfaced. Ravichandran Ashwin twirled away successfully, first bamboozling Matthew Wade and then tying Steve Smith in knots. Smith's early demise added to India's burgeoning confidence.

Then it was the turn of the debutants to inhale the pervading scent. Both Shubman Gill and Mohammed Siraj acquitted themselves admirably, displaying both the talent and temperament to suggest they'll serve India well for many years.

This was an incredible victory by a talented, confident and strong-minded group of individuals, well led by a positive thinking captain. Rahane and Bumrah and the other heroes of Melbourne look like they'll be rewarded with another Test at the MCG. Australia really has some problem solving to do if they are to match India's Houdini act.

https://m.mid-day.com/amp/articles/...-strong-minded-group-of-individuals/23167326?

 

[AMSS]

India would do well to secure a draw from the remaining two matches. Sydney's the place to do it. The weather forecast is wet and if the pitches are flat as they have been recently, Indian bats can blunt the relentless pace trio.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yea I am baffled as to how he says Labushagne is better than Clarke and Green can be potentially picked over Martyn.

Only Cummins could come in for Lee imo for the bowling line up.

Openers even In Hayden there is already an aggressive opener so many many pick Langer over Warner to balance it out. But still you can pick Warner for personal preference .

Rest are laughable.

I guess we are a little bit old school, maybe he has not seen the guys from that ATG Australian side. I would take Langer over Warner any day. Can you imagine what McGrath would do to all the batsmen now had he been playing, here is an old Mcgrath vs a young Warner:

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[Robert]

Nah you just sound a little sore. Let me ask you this India won without Kohli,Shami, Ishant,Rohit, would Aussies even be able to compete in SC without comparable players: Smith (Kohli) Cummins (Shami) Hazelwood (Ishant) and Labu (Rohit), I should have compared Warner and Rohit but given Rohits test career so far, even bringing him down to a level of a relatively new comer .

Indian team overall is the best team in the world if you account for bench strength and the quality of new comers coming in.

Rest what you rate or don’t rate doesn’t matter, it’s a matter of bias or prejudice

Sore about what? If India win this series I’ll call them the best side in the world.

They will have a job though - Burns is out and Warner is back, Pukovski is coming in, and I don't expect Smith and Labuschagne to both fail twice in the same match again.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I guess we are a little bit old school, maybe he has not seen the guys from that ATG Australian side. I would take Langer over Warner any day. Can you imagine what McGrath would do to all the batsmen now had he been playing, here is an old Mcgrath vs a young Warner:

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McGrath din't have to play IPl. You can't compare the decades. Different priorities. Different training systems.

You can only compare teams that have player each other.


Warner is way better than Langer.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Sore about what? If India win this series I’ll call them the best side in the world.

They will have a job though - Burns is out and Warner is back, Pukovski is coming in, and I don't expect Smith and Labuschagne to both fail twice in the same match again.

Sore or not. England din't beat Indias full strength team in England.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Kohli is though. He is as good as tendu. Kohli is an all format player. Give him exposure to just tests specifically and his record would be close to Smith.

I would say Cummins is actually even better than McGrath. McGrath played and excelled in spicy pitches. On Pattas he struggled. Check his beautiful record in Pakistan.

In terms of skill Cummins is one of Aussies best ever. I judge based on skill. I don't care about their stats. Ability counts more.

Stats can be easily padded.

There is a reason why I believe bumrah was special. I saw his ability. There was dear factor. Same with Cummins.

Lol you are funny. Everytime during the ODIs and T20s were going on you used to give stats of Tests so much importance over them. According to your logic Steve Smith should be better than Kohli already so why are you bringing in the excuses?

And sachin played 200 tests, 463 ODIs and 1 T20. Come back when any present cricketer is mentally and physically fit enough to do that. Sachin was an all format player too. T20s got importance when he was on his last legs. For more info on Sachin, you can contact [MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION]

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol you are funny. Everytime during the ODIs and T20s were going on you used to give stats of Tests so much importance over them. According to your logic Steve Smith should be better than Kohli already so why are you bringing in the excuses?

And sachin played 200 tests, 463 ODIs and 1 T20. Come back when any present cricketer is mentally and physically fit enough to do that. Sachin was an all format player too. T20s got importance when he was on his last legs. For more info on Sachin, you can contact [MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION]

Tests are more important. Kohli priorities all 3. Hence he can't focus specifically on tests alone. Kohli is better than tendu in odi's.

Tendu slightly ahead in tests. But Kohli Playa T20 as well. It affects his workload and hence his overall performance.

Had he been playing just tests and odi like tendu, he would be well ahead of tendu.

To me tests are more important but players prirotize all 3 formats so they need to be weighted accordingly.

Kohli if he sacrifices t20 like Smith then he would be on par with him in tests comfortably. That's how good he is. Tendu was no where near Smith.

 

[Slog]

At the end of their careers let's see who is laughing.

Everything I say is probably true. I look at their skillset and ability and make my opinions. I don't see those 2000 Aussies faring well vs current pace attack of Australia.

Lol sure.

The current Aussie lineup will get rolled over innings after innings by the 2000s Aussie attack. The same won’t happen othrr way around

Look at the state of you. Claiming current Aussie lineup is better or even comparable to 2000s lineup in order to feel good about India’s win lol. Where is this insecurity even coming from?

 

[Slog]

McGrath din't have to play IPl. You can't compare the decades. Different priorities. Different training systems.

You can only compare teams that have player each other.


Warner is way better than Langer.

Warner is “way better” than Langer?

Lol ab tu zyada hogaya.

As I said. Look at the state of you

 

[Slog]

Sore or not. England din't beat Indias full strength team in England.

Lol why are you so salty today?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol why are you so salty today?

More than winning I wanted to see some blood and some broken bones. Din't happen.
Cummins got away.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

McGrath din't have to play IPl. You can't compare the decades. Different priorities. Different training systems.

You can only compare teams that have player each other.


Warner is way better than Langer.

IPL is a measure of Test cricket now? McGrath is better than Cummins.

Also even by that metric, Cummins failed in IPL?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol sure.

The current Aussie lineup will get rolled over innings after innings by the 2000s Aussie attack. The same won’t happen othrr way around

Look at the state of you. Claiming current Aussie lineup is better or even comparable to 2000s lineup in order to feel good about India’s win lol. Where is this insecurity even coming from?

You are a product of your time. Different eras. If t20 din't exist, current Aussie team would have adapted and prioritized tests instead of having to split their focus across various formats.

Current Aussie lineup is very good in their Condtions. They can outbat old Aussies side. They also have a better bowling attack overall.

Old Aussie side never faced bowling of this standard. The few times they did they struggled. Like vs n.z when they had bond. Nearly beat Australia in Australia.

Peak West Indies with Ambrose and Walsh used to beat Australia too.
Hell that Aussie side even struggled vs India's average bowling in 2000 era.
Lots of close games. Besides some of the pitches they batted on was a farce.

On spicy pitches Australia always had problems. Lost to frame Smith's team as well when Smith just started to hit his peak. Steyn was still young.

 

[tyron_woodley]

IPL is a measure of Test cricket now? McGrath is better than Cummins.

Also even by that metric, Cummins failed in IPL?

IPL
T20
Test
Shelield cricket
Odi

He has a lot to play for.

He isn't better because of IPL. He is better because he has a higher ceiling and a superior skillset. I am not nostalgic so I can be more objevtive.