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India [340/6] beat Australia [304] by 36 runs in the 2nd ODI, level series 1-1

What does Kohli see in Manish Pandey and Sreyas Iyer? India should move on from these two and find some good talent from Dravid's pack.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Saini is a very good prospect. He will learn to mix his deliveries soon. His yorkers are getting better.
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Well he needs to work on his stamina. In his third spell he was bowling 130 kph, that is drastic fall from 142-143 in initial overs. You can get away in T20s but in ODIs you need to be sharp through out. Could be deliberate also of course as I haven’t seen him before.
 
Thomaskutty said:
What does Kohli see in Manish Pandey and Sreyas Iyer? India should move on from these two and find some good talent from Dravid's pack.
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Iyer did well in the previous matches. Even i don't have confidence in his batting against pace. But you should not discard based on that. HE should be given a run. These are not important matches.
 
IAJ said:
Well he needs to work on his stamina. In his third spell he was bowling 130 kph, that is drastic fall from 142-143 in initial overs. You can get away in T20s but in ODIs you need to be sharp through out. Could be deliberate also of course as I haven’t seen him before.
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He sprained his ankle. He is bowling with an injury.
 
Hitman said:
LOL, neither did South Africa win any ICC trophy under Graeme Smith. BTW, Kohli still isn't finished.
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We already have a good captain in ODIs i.e Rohit,Kohli should be captain only in test.
 
IAJ said:
Well he needs to work on his stamina. In his third spell he was bowling 130 kph, that is drastic fall from 142-143 in initial overs. You can get away in T20s but in ODIs you need to be sharp through out. Could be deliberate also of course as I haven’t seen him before.
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I doubt it is because lack of stamina. He is focusing on landing in the later part.
 
Kohli captaincy critics:

He hasn’t won the IPL.

Also Kohli captaincy critics:

IPL is rubbish pajama cricket. No one takes it seriously.

:moyo2
 
andy0204 said:
Rohit should be the captain in ODIs
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I got no problem with your suggestion. Rohit has shown good promise in the ODI format during the few matches he has captained so far. Plus, he is already the T20 captain. But I wonder BCCI would be too keen with the concept of split captaincy in the 2 major formats.
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
Iyer did well in the previous matches. Even i don't have confidence in his batting against pace. But you should not discard based on that. HE should be given a run. These are not important matches.
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Iyer's just never looked convincing to me.
With some players, when you look at the quality of their strokes and how they middle the ball .. you know that they have potential and can be a given a good run despite failure. Iyer doesn't tick that box.
 
Thomaskutty said:
Iyer's just never looked convincing to me.
With some players, when you look at the quality of their strokes and how they middle the ball .. you know that they have potential and can be a given a good run despite failure. Iyer doesn't tick that box.
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He played a few decent knocks recently. We cannot drop players randomly based on our observation. We should give them a chance to fix their issues.
 
Normalcy restored.

Great to see Shami and Saini executing Yorkers with so much precision. Our pace bowling is settled for the t20 wc this year.
 
Hitman said:
LOL, neither did South Africa win any ICC trophy under Graeme Smith. BTW, Kohli still isn't finished.
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They had a mental problem, we didn't have 1 until kohli took over. Also another interesting fact, only multi lateral series we have won in recent times have come with rohit incharge.
 
Mean&Green said:
Bumrah bowling better Yorkers and faster than anyone else but just been unlucky
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He is always going to be quicker because his release point is much later.. Basically he is much closer to the batsman when he releases than other bowlers
 
jagatk said:
They had a mental problem, we didn't have 1 until kohli took over. Also another interesting fact, only multi lateral series we have won in recent times have come with rohit incharge.
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Tell them about it rohit is the man
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli captaincy critics:

He hasn’t won the IPL.

Also Kohli captaincy critics:

IPL is rubbish pajama cricket. No one takes it seriously.

:moyo2
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He is a trash captain, it's now 3 years since CT, we still have no functioning middle order and the captain's chop and change policy is most at fault.

You are his buddy, even after 10 failures he will get you into the team every chance he gets, you aren't, 1 -2 failures out you go, never to get a look in again.
 
Kohl’s is a great test captain.

Average odi captain


But who can replace him in odi. Apart from Rohit I mean? Who?
 
Rohit is a better captain. He is never going to replace KOhli though. So no point in talking about it. Different captains for different formats don't work for India if they play all 3 formats.
 
Mean&Green said:
Tell them about it rohit is the man
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It's not about rohit being anything, its kohli being an idiot. He's basically tried to follow in dhoni's footsteps in managing the team, pick your favorites over whose talented, check. Set random fields and weird bowling decisions, check.

Small problem, the team dhoni inherited came with a most set lineup, so his favorites didn't hurt our results as much, kohli's team has far more holes. Dhoni was a genius, the random weird fielding placement and bowling decisions he made at times, paid off. You know what would happen if others tried to bowl joginder sharma vs a set misbah in a wt20 final or play himself up the order in a wc final, it would flop badly, losing their team the game and the person their job.

You can admire what he did, you can't copy it, that's like trying to copy steve Smith's batting style because it worked for him.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Rohit is a better captain. He is never going to replace KOhli though. So no point in talking about it. Different captains for different formats don't work for India if they play all 3 formats.
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I wouldn't be so certain, ganguly's statements make me believe this wt20 is kohli's last chance in icc events, another loss and I feel he will get the boot in LoI's.
 
Couldn't watch the match today. How was Rahul's keeping today? Can he play as a wicketkeeper batsman in the future as well? :inti
 
Kohli is a an average LOI captain. Hasn't won any major ICC trophy for India yet. Compare that to someone like Saurav Ganguly who was one of the best captain India had in all formats. Fans think just because Kohli makes aggressive faces he comes across as aggressive captain in LOI's. :inti
 
Thomaskutty said:
Iyer's just never looked convincing to me.
With some players, when you look at the quality of their strokes and how they middle the ball .. you know that they have potential and can be a given a good run despite failure. Iyer doesn't tick that box.
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Same for me.

I just want to keep an open mind.

But whenever I see Iyer, I don't feel like he belongs.
 
Since January 2019, India vs Australia is 6-5 in ODIs. Very little between these two sides. Only England is better than either of them.
 
I mean, Dhoni plays one of the most ugly looking strokes. But in his prime, he was one of very few bats who convinced you that he obviously belongs to this level.

Iyer has never given me that comfort feeling.
 
jagatk said:
I wouldn't be so certain, ganguly's statements make me believe this wt20 is kohli's last chance in icc events, another loss and I feel he will get the boot in LoI's.
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Ganguly is only serving for 6 months or something so his personal opinions don't hold that much weight.
 
And where do you start from about that mental midget, Manish Pandey?
 
MP2011 said:
I mean, Dhoni plays one of the most ugly looking strokes. But in his prime, he was one of very few bats who convinced you that he obviously belongs to this level.

Iyer has never given me that comfort feeling.
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He hasn't had enough chances. Even I'm not that convinced by iyer but he's certainly an upgrade over trash like Jadhav, Rayudu, Karthik etc.
 
As others pointed out, I was referring to present day Dhoni who has become a liability. He was no doubt one of the greatest finisher, captain and player from India, but for the past 4 years, he has only spoiled his reputation.

I never thought Pandya was any good. He is no Stokes, although some believe that he has the potential. The disappointment has always been KL Rahul, he has the technique, timing and power game but he failed to apply himself. Good to see that he is turning his career around. I also feel that Manish Pandey is someone that needs to be persisted with. Although his technique is not pleasant to watch, he is a smart player who tries to make the best of his abilities.

IAJ said:
Lol you must be out of your mind placing Dhoni, one of the greates LOIs players of all time, in same line with Iyer, Pant and the rest.

He probably continued for a bit too long, but he has saved India many times and won you guys so many matches.

But Pandya, wasn't he supposed to be the next Kapil Dev?
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Kohli is a an average LOI captain. Hasn't won any major ICC trophy for India yet. Compare that to someone like Saurav Ganguly who was one of the best captain India had in all formats. Fans think just because Kohli makes aggressive faces he comes across as aggressive captain in LOI's. :inti
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Agree regarding Kohli, the LoI captain.

However, Ganguly too didn't win any ICC trophy, save that shared ICCCT in '02. Our record under him in finals was pedestrian to say the least.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
He hasn't had enough chances. Even I'm not that convinced by iyer but he's certainly an upgrade over trash like Jadhav, Rayudu, Karthik etc.
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Oh absolutely! He is a huge upgrade over those never beens...
 
MP2011 said:
Agree regarding Kohli, the LoI captain.

However, Ganguly too didn't win any ICC trophy, save that shared ICCCT in '02. Our record under him in finals was pedestrian to say the least.
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Yea. he had this final issues right through. Also as a test captain after taking the lead he will go on the defensive going after draws something which was criticized heavily. Actually as a player he let India down badly yet continued with his captaincy. That Bangalore test debacle was the icing on the cake. They started a dedicated website name ihategangulydotcom. It was very popular upto a point. Then they renamed to something else.
 
Steve Smith's highest ODI score in three years couldn't save Australia from their first loss of the summer, as India sealed a 36-run victory in Rajkot.

After Adam Zampa took three wickets and India scored an imposing 6-340, Smith scored 98 and Marnus Labuschagne hit 46 as Australia were bowled out in the last over for 304.

The result means the three-match series will go to a decider in Bengaluru on Sunday.

On a pitch that offered little assistance to bowlers, Smith batted beautifully for his 98 off 102 balls before he played on to Kuldeep Yadav (2-65).

He combined in a 96-run stand with Labuschagne, who was busy at the crease and faced just 16 dots in his 47-ball innings before he chipped Ravindra Jadeja to long off.

Alex Carey, who was promoted up the order to No.6 and upped the scoring, also came and went for 18 off 16 before Kuldeep had him caught at cover.

Aaron Finch had earlier been controversially stumped off Jadeja (2-58) for 33 despite replays sparking debate on social media and in commentary that part of the skipper’s foot was behind the line.

David Warner also fell early to a spectacular one-handed catch from Manish Pandey at point on 15 from just 12 balls off the bowling of Mohammed Shami (3-77)

But while Smith was there as the innings went on, the tourists remained some chance.

He drove nicely down the ground and regularly swept in front of the wicket with great power, while still working the ball nicely off his legs.

The 30-year-old looked set to post his first hundred since January 2017, but he bottom-edged a cut shot against Kuldeep into his stumps and swung his bat into the turf in disappointment.

That left the Aussies requiring 120 from 73 balls, with their lower order exposed and Ashton Agar walking in at No.7 before they collapsed.

The loss marked Australia's first of the summer, after previously winnings five T20s and five Tests at home as well as the previous ODI in Mumbai by 10 wickets.

But it wasn't all good news for India, with Rohit Sharma suffering a right shoulder injury in the field that could leave him in doubt for Sunday's decider.

Earlier, Australia's bowlers endured a tough time on the batter's paradise as Mitchell Starc had the second worst return of his career with 0-78.

Kane Richardson also finished with 2-73 and Ashton Agar 0-63 from eight overs as Indian opener Shikhar Dhawan hit 96 and KL Rahul 80 in the run-scoring spree.

Pat Cummins bowled well for his 0-53, but Zampa was by far the tourists' best.

He removed Virat Kohli for a seventh time in international cricket on 78 when Ashton Agar and Starc combined to catch him on the boundary.

India have beaten Australia by 36 runs in the second ODI in Rajkot to level the three-match series at 1-all.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mat...s-warner-smith-kohli-cummins-starc/2020-01-18
 
India basically batted Australia out of the game with a mammoth total.

Now contrast this with our master tactician Misbah-ul-Haq who'd be aiming for a total of 240 so that the bowlers have a "defendable total".
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Since January 2019, India vs Australia is 6-5 in ODIs. Very little between these two sides. Only England is better than either of them.
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englsnd won't beat india in India. australia can beat india in India. That's the difference.

india and australia are still the two best teams in the world. England are the third best in my opinion. Rankings are not always accurate. England would beat india in England on flat pattas yes. Any other bowling friendly pitch would favour india.

australia would kill then on bouncy pitches and turning ones. Their players play so in better.

England will crush Aussies on pattas ofcourse.
 
Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Iyer
Rahul
Pant (wkt)
Pandya
Kuldeep
Chahal
Shami
Bumrah

Let's bring back KulCha again. We have specialist bats and no bits and pieces, so fine with batting till 7 only, as bowling looks a question mark all of a sudden for India now.

I am not even sure how these guys will fare in NZ. They haven't had enough rest also and then if they fail in the first few matches, fans will call them out.
 
Ab Fan said:
Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Iyer
Rahul
Pant (wkt)
Pandya
Kuldeep
Chahal
Shami
Bumrah

Let's bring back KulCha again. We have specialist bats and no bits and pieces, so fine with batting till 7 only, as bowling looks a question mark all of a sudden for India now.

I am not even sure how these guys will fare in NZ. They haven't had enough rest also and then if they fail in the first few matches, fans will call them out.
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yes my concern is only test matches. I don't care about these odi's.

they definitely don't have enough rest unfortunately. God forbid it works out. india plays too many games. very densly packed schedule.

I don't agree with playing both kul cha on flat pattas. I would go with kuldeep or jaddu and the 3 sealers. saini shami and bumrah.
 
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Australia batsman Steve Smith rued the loss of three quick wickets in the middle overs, including his own, that proved decisive in his team’s 36-run loss to India in the second ODI here.

India posted a fighting 340 for six on a flat track with opener Shikhar Dhawan top-scoring with 90-ball 96 and then bowled out the visitors for 304 to level the three-match series 1-1.

“The area where we lost it was losing the three wickets in between 30 and 40 overs and not having someone there that could start to launch,” Smith said after the game on Friday.

“If we had someone that had been out there for a while, perhaps things may have been different but that was probably where we lost it,” he added.

Australia lost three quick wickets between the 30 and 40 overs. Marnus Labuschagne was dismissed in the 31st over and Chinaman Kuldeep Yadav accounted for both Alex Carrey and Smith in the 38th over which turned out to be a game-changer.

“I thought Marnus played really well in his first outing, first bat in ODI cricket. We were going at a reasonable rate at around six an over for a while. We playing good cricket shots. I thought we timed the run (rate) reasonably well but just losing those three wickets in that 30 to 40 overs but (was) a big dent in the run chase,” said Smith.

According to Smith, the key to India’s victory was their partnerships in the middle.

“I think it’s just our normal one-day game plan, with the ball it’s trying to take wickets and stem the run rate that way, obviously they had some pretty good partnerships, Virat (Kohli), Shikhar (Dhawan) and KL Rahul played really well at the back end. They were able to form some partnerships through the middle,” he said.

On a personal note, Smith said it was good to be among the runs but he would have preferred if he could take his team over the line.

“It was nice to score a few runs, I would’ve liked to have batted a bit longer and been there in the happy hour but unfortunately, tried to cut one that stopped in the wicket a little bit and dragged it on. It was a pretty bad time. We had lost Kez (Alex Carey) in the same over.”

Indian pacers used short-balls against Smith and the prolific Australian batsman said he had to think about how to play.

“I got a few away but I probably didn’t feel great the first 20 balls I was at the crease, and then I started to find a bit of rhythm and feel a bit better. Hopefully some-time in the middle helped and I can make some more runs in Bengaluru.”

India opener Rohit Sharma hurt his hand while fielding and there is no clarity on whether he will be available for the final ODI.

Asked whether the absence of India vice-captain would be an advantage, Smith said, “He’s a world-class player and if he’s no good — we wish him all the best, hope he’s all right — but if not, that does leave a hole for them, because he’s phenomenal at the top of the order. His record speaks for itself.”

With the series level 1-1, the decider will be played at the M Chinnaswamy Stadium in Bengaluru and Smith expects it to be a high-scoring affair.

“It’s a nice batting wicket. It feels like the ball goes further in the air, it sort of travels, you see lots of sixes generally there. It’s quite a fast outfield and it’s usually a nice-paced wicket. I can see perhaps another high-scoring game,” he said.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...wickets-for-rajkot-defeat/article30592151.ece
 
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