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India 39/1 at end of Day 4 as they chase 420 to win the 1st Test against England

sensible-indian-fan said:
We are not saying the aim is right or wrong.

We are saying the aim is overly defensive.

Which you yourself are kinda agreeing with when you feel the goal is to ensure India doesn't get to bat out the overs to chase this.
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I was just messing with viru bhai.
Totally agree with you that england's tactics were poor.
They neither succeeded in hitting big nor in playing out overs.
 
Sir-fraz said:
They rely too much on it, anything can happen in cricket, especially when your spinners are bang average.

Im not even an indian, im just a fan of good cricket.

England looked nervous in the dugout idk what match you are watching. They are not comfortable at all. They tried to squeeze every single run while also wasting overs.
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"England fans are comfortable" I'm watching the same match as you which is why i believe england still have enough times to take 10 wickets.
 
I like it, this is how openers has to play.
Come on Rohit..You can...

We need to win this test.
 
Butcher agrees with the general sentiment here that England were poor in post tea session.
 
Lol, rohit needs to be dropped. Never been a test player. I tried ti give him a chance lmao
 
I was about to ask how is Rohit against spinners and he is gone against a spinner. Lol. Has this guy ever played well for us under pressure?
 
That's the Day 4 surface for you. Flighted ball pitching within the sticks and turning square after disturbing the surface.

:sree:sree
 
Sir-fraz said:
I forgot you guys had him. Why is rohit even playing dude is clearly not fully fit.
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KL Rahul has been tried and been a failure. And we now have a better LOI middle order version out of him. We have other options.
 
Kevin Pietersen

@KP24

If India play England’s spinners off the front foot this innings, it’s game, set and match! Rohit should have been back to that delivery.
 
King_Kohli said:
Kevin Pietersen

@KP24

If India play England’s spinners off the front foot this innings, it’s game, set and match! Rohit should have been back to that delivery.
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Kya zamana aagaya hain. A former English batsman is giving tips to Indians on how to play spin!
 
Sir-fraz said:
Need to look at recent perfromances. Avgs dont matter.

I think hes gone over the hill. Last year
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Need to look at how he got the 80 average in India...

That will reveal all...

He ain't over the hill imho...in fact he played the best I have seen him play in Australia...He just has his weaknesses which will get exposed ina tough pitch or against tough opposition...
 
Dingolfy said:
Kya zamana aagaya hain. A former English batsman is giving tips to Indians on how to play spin!
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Except for may be Pujara, none of these Indian batsmen will get a spot in our '00 batting lineup if contest is just to play spin.
 
Bobby is a much better captain then Root. Why not hound the batsmen with close in fielders with the end of day so close? Nothing to lose.
 
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100% control for Gill after facing 35 balls on a Day 4 pitch - Future.
 
Wow everything was going great for India and then Virat came back as captain & now India is on verge of losing the game vs England at home. This shows that how much better Rahane is as compared to Kohli as far captaincy is concerned.
 
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I would like to know from spinners out there WHY spinners have a cover point on the boundary when you have near on 400 on the board on a pitch that is spinning square ... and you an off spinner bowling ... and it’s the last over of the day !!!!!!!!!!!!! *** .... #INDvENG
 
ChTab said:
Wow everything was going great for India and then Virat came back as captain & now India is on verge of losing the game vs England at home. This shows that how much better Rahane is as compared to Kohli as far captaincy is concerned.
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Different opposition and different conditions. And there is still 9 wickets to take for England victory. And even then they have 3 more matches to play.
 
silentkiller187 said:
How many times have india batted 106 overs in the 4th innings of a test match? Its not experienced posters its India fans hoping the declaration came earlier so they had a lower score to chase or more time to chase. England fans seem very comfortable with their position at the moment.

England plan a lot on analysis and numbers, theres a reason behind thir tactics whether you agree or not.
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Don't know about England fans but you saw what happ today.

Another 15 overs and we could have been 60-3 with the game pretty much done.

Ask any test batsman and they will. Loathe batting in the twilight zone where they are unsure about attack or defense.

England gave us a real gift today.

Whether we utilize it will remain to be seen.
 
I'd be shocked if Pujara doesn't bat for a few hours to ensure the draw tomorrow. India are clear favourites to save the match.

England's tactics post-tea were abysmal, those extra 15 overs could be the difference between a victory or a draw, knowing how India managed to save a test at Sydney a couple of weeks ago.

I've listened to Cook trying to rationalize the decision by stating England wanted to use the new ball tomorrow morning and they felt their bowlers weren't fresh enough to do anything with it today. However, it's an overcomplication; by the same token the Indian batsmen would have been tired as well from three days in the field and it's much more likely that they would have made mistakes this evening than tomorrow morning after a night's rest.
 
England on the whole have had a very good game, but they played some absolutely awful cricket after tea.

Defensive, meek, playing into the hands of the opposition, and extremely tactically inept.

It may, or may not, cost them the Test match.

Win, lose or draw from here, there are plenty of lessons to be learned for England from that bizarre couple of hours.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Don't know about England fans but you saw what happ today.

Another 15 overs and we could have been 60-3 with the game pretty much done.

Ask any test batsman and they will. Loathe batting in the twilight zone where they are unsure about attack or defense.

England gave us a real gift today.

Whether we utilize it will remain to be seen.
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England backed their own abilities, they have enough time to win this test match, lets see what happens tomorrow.
 
Mamoon said:
The level of arrogance by Indian fans is staggering. Cricket is a great leveler, and this degree of arrogance is beyond what we have seen from India previously even in home series.

The historic, phenomenal win in Australia has made them unnecessarily arrogant. No doubt this is the GOAT Asian Test team, but that does not mean they cannot be beaten, even at home.

England is also a top team, led by a very good captain.

First we kept hearing about how India will score a mountain of runs in the first innings because of England can so can we, we are much better etc., and now we are hearing about how they will chase anything England puts in front of them because they did at the Gabba.

We are seeing very little appreciation for England and they way they have played so far. All the focus is on what India will do.

It won’t hurt anyone to admit that England have completely outclassed India in all departments and thoroughly deserve to win this Test.

It is not just about the pitch on the first two days or the way India bowled or the team selection - they have simply played much better cricket and have shown that they are a very strong side.
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don't know whom you are referring to tbh but after a successful away tour like the one we just had and with the team flying high there was always a risk of something like this happening. i said in another forum that we will have done exceedingly well if we avoid losing a single test and that is what has happened. IN the context of the series this may be a blessing in disguise because England are a team who usually prepare well for any away tour. They went to bangladesh before touring india in 2016 and toured SL before coming here and while ashwin was making and releasing videos on youtube i hoped they - arun in particular - were also looking at root and how to counter him.
the series itself may pan out similarly to the 2017 one where India had to dig deep to prevent Australia from winning the series and had several rearguard performances.
 
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Mamoon said:
The level of arrogance by Indian fans is staggering. Cricket is a great leveler, and this degree of arrogance is beyond what we have seen from India previously even in home series.

The historic, phenomenal win in Australia has made them unnecessarily arrogant. No doubt this is the GOAT Asian Test team, but that does not mean they cannot be beaten, even at home.

England is also a top team, led by a very good captain.

First we kept hearing about how India will score a mountain of runs in the first innings because of England can so can we, we are much better etc., and now we are hearing about how they will chase anything England puts in front of them because they did at the Gabba.

We are seeing very little appreciation for England and they way they have played so far. All the focus is on what India will do.

It won’t hurt anyone to admit that England have completely outclassed India in all departments and thoroughly deserve to win this Test.

It is not just about the pitch on the first two days or the way India bowled or the team selection - they have simply played much better cricket and have shown that they are a very strong side.
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This!! , from India's biggest cheerleader as well, spot on!
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Lol did you watch the bowling changes or you just saw the scorecard?
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Who should have bowled according to you? He attacked England like he had a lead of 200 runs . opened with Ashwin, bowled Ishant and bumrah at right time to break middle order. He did bowl nadeem on a leg stump line in end to delay proceedings which was well within his rights. England had to make the call. Now you watch match and understand the nuances
 
First session is the key tomorrow.

If England scalps atleast two in the morning session, then it'll be extremely tough to save the game as Rahane is a dud against the turning ball and Pant is not the one who can make 30* (170).
 
England set big target for India despite Ashwin six-for

An exciting finale awaits as England finished day four on a high, setting India a target of 420, despite R Ashwin's brilliant six-wicket haul.

As many as 15 wickets fell on what turned out to be an eventful day of Test cricket in Chennai. First, England had India bowled out for 337 in the morning session, then the hosts' bowlers bounced back, leaving England all out in the final session for 178 from 46.3 overs, setting Virat Kohli and co. a target of 420.

India got off to a steady start in their chase, but lost Rohit Sharma, who hit one four and one six en route to a 20-ball 12, in the sixth over. Cheteshwar Pujara and Shubman Gill survived the next six overs, taking their side to 39/1 at the close of play.

India need 381 more runs to win on the final day, while England need to take nine wickets, setting up an intriguing finale.

Earlier, the hosts resumed day four on 257/6 with Washington Sundar (33*) and R Ashwin (8*) at the crease. England, who had posted a solid 578 in their first innings, had walked into the field with an intention to bowl India out as early as possible, with the second new ball due in just six overs.

But Sundar looked in good touch from the start, played against England's spin-bowling duo of Dom Bess and Jack Leach well, as he kept the scoreboard ticking with regular boundaries. It took him only 14 balls in the day to race to his fifty, his second half-century in two Tests.

The next over saw England introducing pace, with a shiny new ball in hand. Ashwin and Sundar continued to tackle the England attack, and a stable partnership was building. The duo shared an 80-run stand before Leach had Ashwin caught behind for 31.

A few overs later, the spinner had accounted for Shahbaz Nadeem's wicket who fell for nought, the extra bounce from the new ball did the trick for Leach yet again. India kept losing from one end but Sundar remained unperturbed as he kept finding gaps, even hitting Anderson and Root for a six.

Soon India lost their tail-enders with Anderson claiming the last wicket of Bumrah, and bowling the hosts out for 337 with Sundar remaining unbeaten on 85 at the other end.

With a lead of 241, England did not enforce the follow-on and sent in their openers Dom Sibley and Rory Burns to bat. India introduced spinner Ashwin in the first over, and got a wicket with the first ball, as Burns edged it to first slip.

In the seventh over, India lost a review when Ashwin thought he had trapped Dan Lawrence in front, but the replays showed the impact was outside off. But the India spinner didn't have to wait for long for a wicket. He had Sibley (16) caught at leg slip, where, Cheteshwar Pujara took a brilliant reflex catch.

A few overs later, Ishant Sharma reached the 300-wicket milestone in Tests, becoming only the third India paceman to achieve the feat, when he dismissed Lawrence lbw for 18.

England kept losing wickets at regular intervals, with skipper Joe Root, who made a sensational 218 in the first innings, falling for 40 this time. Only Ollie Pope, Jos Buttler and Dom Bess made in twenties while the rest of the line-up crumbled.

Despite a good comeback from the Indian bowlers, the visitors had set a solid target on board. Ashwin was the pick of the bowlers for India, with returns of 6/61.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2020754
 
Ind can collapse at home against swing and left arm spin.
Too many loopholes in the test side.
Regardless, Eng not winning this series.
Would they get to play WCT finals, yet to be sen.
 
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