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India choking in ICC tournaments for the last 10 years

Which one in your opinion is a curse for the Indian team?

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cricketjoshila said:
Nothing to do with mentality.

Between 2007 and 2013 we won 3 ICC trophies. Because the captain was tactically very good.

Today Australia was tactically far superior. Appreciate their tactical brilliance.
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Acknowledge that Rahul, Sky and even Kohli played some pathetic cricket in the middle overs. Occasion clearly got to them.

India needed around 280 so can't really put any blame the bowling
 
India are the new South Africa.

They do very well in Test series, group stage, and bilateral series.

But, lose the plot during the knockouts somehow.
 
Itachi said:
This is NOT a strong Aussie Team. This is the weakest Aussie team I've seen since 1992.
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A team of Warner, Head, Maxwell, Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins , Zampa is stronger than every team except their own GOAT 1999-2007 team
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Dhoni didn't face a string Aussie team. They were in transition.


This is a strong Aussie team in both the batting and the bowling.

Told you earlier that these are the 2 teams with the best predictors.

Hard to show sustained aggression on that pitch during the day.

Once thr ball started skidding on under lights,our goose was cooked

Need a lot of luck to beat this Aussie side full of greats in white ball and red ball

There is absolutely nothing India could have done. Nothing.
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At 111-3 and 127-3 both Head and Labu nicked off through vacant slip region against the spinners.

127-5 and India would've been right back in it. The tactics left something to be desired.

But yes, Australia's planning and execution was exceptional.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You guys may descend to PNG level if fans are going to find satisfaction in others losses, because their team cannot win.
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Ok, and yet you lost to a PNG level team and couldnt win an ICC trophy against them either.

Na Sri Lanka
Na Australia
Na England
Na Pakistan
Na West indies
Na New Zealand
 
India losing final was expected, but wasn't expecting a one sided contest in a final that too in India. Dominant through out to be terribly mauled this way in the final will give them nightmares.

The choking list keeps getting bigger. I believe it has to do with their fans and nation's super over the top lame confidence and attitude with the game that they matter more than others, hence they keep getting reminders regularly in major tournaments with embarrassing humble pies. What better way to have that humble pie when you play so good through out and choke when it really matters.
 
Firstly no Pakistan fan deep down thinks they’ll win ICC tournaments, our country and domestic cricket situation is never stable enough for us to really make an impression on the world stage.

India on the other hand have a great domestic cricket system and a country that has unlimited amounts of money to be successful, that’s the difference.

But I don’t consider the Indians chokers, sometimes your beaten by the better team!
 
Markhor said:
At 111-3 and 127-3 both Head and Labu nicked off through vacant slip region.

127-5 and India would've been right back in it. The tactics left something to be desired.

But yes, Australia's planning and execution was exceptional.
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Nothing can be done when we have to defend such a low score under lights.
 
I'm not sure this was a choke. You could interpret the Rahul-Kohli partnership as timid, but I think they felt the par score would be <300, but 60 odd in 100 balls is a pretty poor effort.

I'd rather give credit to Australia. They might not be at their earlier levels, but they are monsters in WCs and find ways to knock anyone out. It's amazing. 47/3, the crowd baying for their blood and they find a Travis Head.

Sometimes you just have to accept someone is better and Australia are.

I wanted Aus in the finals because India would never feel like world champions to me unless they beat Australia in the final. And they couldn't.
 
hitthestump said:
India struggle for the big occasion in general.

Vegetarian diets decrease testosterone and this can reduce the ability to handle pressure.

On top of that we forget how bad India were in the past. This is not a country that is used to winning anything. I don’t think this will change any time soon.
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That's why we have more icc trophies than you lot. Relax Pakistan are never winning a wc in your lifetime, to Zimbabwe and Afghanistan os what you will have in store
 
Itachi said:
This is NOT a strong Aussie Team. This is the weakest Aussie team I've seen since 1992.
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This "not strong" team have won 2015 WC, 2021 World T20, 2023 WTC, and now 2023 WC (4 world titles).

I say they are pretty strong. Many Indians (including you) underestimated them.
 
Its an embarrassing loss but also india was unfortunate. The only hurdle they have to workout is finals. People blaming india to win icc tournament finals in last 10 years must remember that in 2015 australia was favourites, in 2019 weather ditched india. Between india has won 2 back to back test series against australia in australia which no one managed upto now.
Indian team has brought more joy to there fans as compared to many other teams. There is no issues in selection and planning.

I m very proud of India's performance and Inshaa ALLAAH india will win many icc trophies in the near future.

Gear up for next T20 world cup and champions trophy.

BLEED BLUE
 
Kriketer said:
India losing final was expected, but wasn't expecting a one sided contest in a final that too in India. Dominant through out to be terribly mauled this way in the final will give them nightmares.

The choking list keeps getting bigger. I believe it has to do with their fans and nation's super over the top lame confidence and attitude with the game that they matter more than others, hence they keep getting reminders regularly in major tournaments with embarrassing humble pies. What better way to have that humble pie when you play so good through out and choke when it really matters.
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I've a different view. Except Australia, most of the teams try to do "too much", bring in the "extra effort" for the final. Seems like too much planning goes on amidst which you forget the basics.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its amusing that Pakistan hasn't been to the WC final in 23 years.

Have been to one semis in 23 year and pakistanis have the gall to mock India.
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Thread is about India. Pakistan don't have IPL, they are not the powerhouse, they are not even allowed to host big tournaments either so not sure why are you comparing India with Pakistan here? For once, talk about India without bringing Pakistan into discussion. I am sure if this was a challenge you would have lost it 100 out of 100 times. Enjoy the long vacation, andhbhakht. :inti
 
Major said:
I heard that Cummins placed a char pai on the square with a hookah to keep an eye on the wicket over night
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You gotta do whatever it takes man.

These guys tried every trick in the book.

Now they are taking ages to get presentation ready because they were convinced they were going to win and it was all focused on India
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its amusing that Pakistan hasn't been to the WC final in 23 years.

Have been to one semis in 23 year and pakistanis have the gall to mock India.
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Why do you take everything ultra blind nationalistically? Dont try diverting the issues India has in winning icc tournaments. Just accept the failures. India is a massive cricketing nation and with all its cricketing resources prowess, a billion people to choose from, so many academies up and down the country, so many qstadium and the best t20 league in the world. Still havent dominated cricket anything even half like Australia has. Pakistan, SL and BD probably doesn't have half the resources as India put together, Pakistan didn't have cricket at home for many years, still produced the players and won T20 WC and CT17. Yes they havent made CWC final since 1999 but guess what? Only winner gets the trophy.
 
Why do Indians (some not all) feel the need to verbally abuse other players on their social media after they beat India?
Look at the instagram posts of Travis Head and other Australian players. It's filled with Indians calling them mfers and really abusive language.

We NEVER see this with any other cricketing nation except for Indian fans. What is the reason for this?
 
Yes we haven’t won a finals in a while, it’s worrying. And this was our best chance.

We have a fantastic team, I believe that. But we didn’t win, and that’s what matters.

But I don’t think it’s a choke. A choke is when you should win but dont. We on the other hand were beaten by the better team.

More an indicator that we need to improve, not a choke.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You guys may descend to PNG level if fans are going to find satisfaction in others losses, because their team cannot win.
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Given the absolute hostility Pakistan cricket has met from Indian administrators for over a decade, how would you expect Pakistan fans to react? Only baigharats of the highest order would support India during these times.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You gotta do whatever it takes man.

These guys tried every trick in the book.

Now they are taking ages to get presentation ready because they were convinced they were going to win and it was all focused on India
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man this has to be the worst post match broadcasting ever.

The muted celebrations. The pathetic commentary by Indian commies

ANd now Ravi Shastri's sooja wah moo.

I think Shastri is going to start crying here. Cant see him like that
 
India have won one more World Cup then us, in history, we’ve both won T20 world cups, so despite limitations in our cricket we’re pretty neck and neck as far as icc tournaments are concerned
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its amusing that Pakistan hasn't been to the WC final in 23 years.

Have been to one semis in 23 year and pakistanis have the gall to mock India.
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Exactly Indian have one of the greatest ODI squads in the world. And they’ve reached the finals atleast
 
sweep_shot said:
This "not strong" team have won 2015 WC, 2021 World T20, 2023 WTC, and now 2023 WC (4 world titles).

I say they are pretty strong. Many Indians (including you) underestimated them.
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You have misunderstood. I didn't say this is not a "strong team".

What I said was, "This is the weakest Aussie team I've seen since 1992."

Means this team is "weak" in comparision to other aussie team of the past. NOT that this team was weak in comparision to other current teams.

If in Final, if you must beat an aussie team, you can not get a weaker aussie team in this. Because by next world cup, the australians will be leap and bound above from other teams and will be untouchables with young guns blazing.
 
Major said:
man this has to be the worst post match broadcasting ever.

The muted celebrations. The pathetic commentary by Indian commies

ANd now Ravi Shastri's sooja wah moo.

I think Shastri is going to start crying here. Cant see him like that
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I heard Modi was meant to be more involved but a last minute change of plan was needed.
 
Itachi said:
This is NOT a strong Aussie Team. This is the weakest Aussie team I've seen since 1992.
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Correct.

But Australia are very good tactically.

They beat us tactically.

Ability wise they didn't have a ODI Batsman of the calibre of Rohit or Kohli.

But they devised a way to counter them.

Look at the India vs Australia match in Chennai. Australia batted first. Lost. Even though they took 3 Indian wickets cheaply.

Similar pitch and Australia this time batted second.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I heard Modi was meant to be more involved but a last minute change of plan was needed.
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make a thread on this.

Modi did a Hasina Wajid....

She also ran away when Pakistan won the 2012 Asia Cup.

Real pathetic.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its amusing that Pakistan hasn't been to the WC final in 23 years.

Have been to one semis in 23 year and pakistanis have the gall to mock India.
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Bro, we troll them to the end of the world on a Pakistani website. What do you expect. Just take it on the chin and wait for the next WC to continue the streak :runaway:
 
m.shah said:
Crowd booing on umpires during presentation
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Actually that umpire's call decision was a very crucial one and could have seen a different result.

But as things stand- India have choked yet another final. That too at home which is embarrassing.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I applaud your efforts to maintain balance, but Indians have singlehandedly tried to damage Pakistan cricket for the past 10-15 years. Even as a neutral Brit I can understand why Pakistanis might not be wellwishers of the current India set up.
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Oh the bullying administrators, graceless ex-players like Sehwag and the cybertrolls deserve every bit of mockery that comes their way.

However quips about veg diets and so on is unnecessary.
 
faraz39 said:
Why do Indians (some not all) feel the need to verbally abuse other players on their social media after they beat India?
Look at the instagram posts of Travis Head and other Australian players. It's filled with Indians calling them mfers and really abusive language.

We NEVER see this with any other cricketing nation except for Indian fans. What is the reason for this?
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Its a country of 1 billion with a high proportion of delusional idiots.
 
Major said:
biggest trophy?

bro you cant even win the smallest trophy in the last 10 years
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You will never see your team win a wc in your home, I did. 31 years of failure and now getting humiliated in the group stages. I have seen India win a ct, doesn't compare to the big one
 
faraz39 said:
Why do Indians (some not all) feel the need to verbally abuse other players on their social media after they beat India?
Look at the instagram posts of Travis Head and other Australian players. It's filled with Indians calling them mfers and really abusive language.

We NEVER see this with any other cricketing nation except for Indian fans. What is the reason for this?
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It's a lot easier to be abusive online than face to face. I imagine there's some pent up frustrations being vented from normally docile types.
 
Lol seeing Indian fans swearing at him and asking "why he just won't get out, what will u lose by getting out"
 
Pathetic. These troll need to do something serious in life .this is just a game , winning or losing is part of it. Have some Grace .
 
Statpadder Inc said:
You will never see your team win a wc in your home, I did. 31 years of failure and now getting humiliated in the group stages. I have seen India win a ct, doesn't compare to the big one
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Good for you. I last saw Pakistan win an ICC trophy only 5 years ago, you saw it 11 years ago.

we not same bro
 
7sins said:
I know but they chose the grounds according to the other team weakness pretty well
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What weakness? They played in every ground. They batted first and they chased too and they won fair and square. In the final, they lost to a better team. It happens. If at all, toss and pitch bit India today but Indian fans won't complain. It's part of the game.
 
Finisher said:
Lol seeing Indian fans swearing at him and asking "why he just won't get out, what will u lose by getting out"
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Asking him to get out is all fun and games so no issues with that.
 
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what’s the point of winning all the group games if you are choke in the final

Shows that they are not a big enough team

Lets see what happens in 2024
 
cricketjoshila said:
You guys may descend to PNG level if fans are going to find satisfaction in others losses, because their team cannot win.
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Irfan Pathan came out dancing when we lost to Afghanistan. Sehwag posted “Pakistan Zindabhaag!” after New Zealand beat Sri Lanka because it made it almost impossible for us to qualify.

Your team are worst chokers than even the South African cricket team but at least the South African cricket team does not pretend like they’re the best in the world after they win some group stage matches.

You can say we will “descend” to any level. We still managed to win a trophy more recently than your team stacked with “legends”, at home, with literally everything stacked in your favor.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
You will never see your team win a wc in your home, I did. 31 years of failure and now getting humiliated in the group stages. I have seen India win a ct, doesn't compare to the big one
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This choke was legendary too. Congrats on that too.
 
Only God knows when Pakistan would actually taste a 50 over World Cup final let alone win a World Cup
 
JaDed said:
It’s not a resources argument, there is a reason why Saffers win Rugby as well, they are just ahead as a sporting nation.

I doubt many Aussies were even watching the WC.

If any Desi team had won T20,WC, WTC we would be calling them all time greats and in Aus no one would care lol.

It’s same situation in hockey too.
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I moved to Australia last year and like 90% people I talked to either didn’t even know there was a World Cup going on or didn’t care enough to watch it.

Tomorrow will get to know how many actually watched the finals, but the interest in World Cup amongst the Australian public was pretty lacklustre compared to other sports.

The Australian sporting culture is just different level, their mentality when it comes to sports is different.
Indians have just way too much pressure in cricket and they can’t cope up with the pressure of the big finals.
Australians don’t have such huge pressure, and on top of that their mindset is stronger hence they always do well.
 
This was no choke, just an exceptional performance by a champion team in the Finals. We just need to do one better next time.
 
At 3 wickets down no way Aus should have won this. On numbers only I would traditionally say this is a choke, but Aus is such a GOAT sporting nation, some of this win has to be attributed to that. Choke would take away from what they accomplished.

But given how India perfomed since Asia cup, to not conjure it up for a final maybe there is an element of choke.
 
Major said:
make a thread on this.

Modi did a Hasina Wajid....

She also ran away when Pakistan won the 2012 Asia Cup.

Real pathetic.
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What are we talking about? Modi was there. Or did he leave before the presentation?
 
To be fair to Rohit, even I must give my respect to the man. Absolutely stunning batsmen who played for the team in every single match - unfortunately he was let down by his fellow batsmen when it mattered most. He could’ve easily had one of those tournaments where he smashed centuries and scored 700+ runs, instead he chose the job of setting the pace for his team.
 
Itachi said:
This is NOT a strong Aussie Team. This is the weakest Aussie team I've seen since 1992.
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Yeah they had the same issue that Indian team did - a shaky batting lineup after the top which is susceptible to collapses. But today the Indian bowling especially spin couldnt bring any pressure after the three early wickets.
 
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