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India choking in ICC tournaments for the last 10 years

Which one in your opinion is a curse for the Indian team?

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I think that their obvious trolling aside (hey we do the same to them) we should consider seriously what Pakistani fans are saying and use it to improve our perspective.

I believe that

1. We are still an excellent team, and amongst the very very elite teams.

2. We didn’t choke - choke means you consistently lose a game when you’re winning it all along, or you consistently lose a close contest. We were in fact outclassed right from the outset. We never had a chance today.

3. Hence we’re not as good as we thought we were. Champion teams find a way to win regardless. We are not a champion team - yet.

4. This was our best chance to win (home conditions) and we mucked it up. It’s going to get tougher.

5. However we have an excellent process in place and we’re going to get better and better.

That’s about it. Salute to the Aussies.
 
Bewal Express said:
You had all the bases and pitches covered but fell to pieces under pressure.
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The lack of all rounders hurt India in the finals. Once Rohit and Kohli are gone for less than 150 score, it was always an uphill task to put a decent score on the board. 240 is too low on that pitch. It was a 300 pitch and the bowlers did not have enough to defend.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
I think that their obvious trolling aside (hey we do the same to them) we should consider seriously what Pakistani fans are saying and use it to improve our perspective.

I believe that

1. We are still an excellent team, and amongst the very very elite teams.

2. We didn’t choke - choke means you consistently lose a game when you’re winning it all along, or you consistently lose a close contest. We were in fact outclassed right from the outset. We never had a chance today.

3. Hence we’re not as good as we thought we were. Champion teams find a way to win regardless. We are not a champion team - yet.

4. This was our best chance to win (home conditions) and we mucked it up. It’s going to get tougher.

5. However we have an excellent process in place and we’re going to get better and better.

That’s about it. Salute to the Aussies.
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Choke means when you can’t cope up with the pressure of the occasion and you can’t play the way you normally do.

Apart from Rohit, the rest of the batting couldn’t cope up with the pressure.

If this was a bilateral against Australia we would have scored 350+ easy.

Unless we accept the shortcomings we will never work on it and never improve.

This generation of players is done, they did extremely well. Let’s hope the next generation has a stronger mental fortitude.
 
To be fair Ind didnt do a lot wrong, probably nothing wrong in their selection. I did say that this was an ageing batting lineup and they were vulnerable and so it proved.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its amusing that Pakistan hasn't been to the WC final in 23 years.

Have been to one semis in 23 year and pakistanis have the gall to mock India.
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Pakistan isn't obsessed with cricket like india. U have all the resources but still underachieved. U must be feeling like we felt in 1999. Hard luck ur team was by far the best in this tournament
 
The funny thing is, the only ICC tournament won by Pakistan in the past 10 years was under Sarfaraz,

Someone who is pretty much disowned by the same fans celebrating India’s inability to win an ICC trophy in the past 10 years.
 
Issue for India is same As before. Kohli performs they generally perform. Today kohli didn't get the big hundred and the younger flat track bullies were exposed.
 
Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma need to go if India needs to win something of relevance

The team has revolved around them for 10 years now and has won NOTHING

Both always flop when it matters the most
Only good in making records in useless bilaterals

Both are very very weak mentally. Cant perform in knockouts
2015 WC semi, 2017 CT final, 2019 WC semi to name a few
 
cricketjoshila said:
Correct.

But Australia are very good tactically.

They beat us tactically.

Ability wise they didn't have a ODI Batsman of the calibre of Rohit or Kohli.

But they devised a way to counter them.

Look at the India vs Australia match in Chennai. Australia batted first. Lost. Even though they took 3 Indian wickets cheaply.

Similar pitch and Australia this time batted second.
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What are you talking about? Travis Head, Warner on current form and caliber ar at par. In fact, I believe Travis Head is the best ODI batter in the world right now.
Aussies also had more complete batting with Maxwell, Marsh, Smith and Lab pretty capable as well.
 
Marooned said:
Stop dissociating Indian folks. You guys just choked hardest when it mattered most :yk
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Actually you are right. India did choke. They did not play like the time they have been right through the tournament. The clarity of batting and target in mind was missing. They just were hoping for the best instead of going for a winning target.

I do feel India was the best team in the tournament even thought it had some obvious flaws. No team exposed it like Australia did in the finals.

India needs to find some world class all rounders it it will be disappointments galore in the future tournaments too.
 
Major said:
I would rather be in Australia's position, ACTUALLY WINNING SOMETHING.

Or atleast wining an ICC tournament during the last 10 years, which pakistan has done.
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Pakistan’s position is getting humiliated in the World Cup and crashing out in the group stage and then laughing at India because they lost a final.
 
Major said:
Hey, we won an ICC tournament in 2017..

Ok, we are PNG. Even than you couldnt beat us in 2017 or havent been able able to beat anyone in the last 10 years to get an ICC trophy.
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West Indies have won three trophies since 2000 but no one would look at this period and consider West Indies as one of the most successful teams.

Trophies aren’t the only measure of success. Pakistan cannot even dream of the level of cricket that India have played over the years.

I would happily swap Pakistan and India’s last 10 years across formats in spite of Pakistan’s CT win.
 
Mamoon said:
West Indies have won three trophies since 2000 but no one would look at this period and consider West Indies as one of the most successful teams.

Trophies aren’t the only measure of success. Pakistan cannot even dream of the level of cricket that India have played over the years.

I would happily swap Pakistan and India’s last 10 years across formats in spite of Pakistan’s CT win.
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ok bro, you can swap series win.

We will enjoy ICC trophies. When India finally holds on to a title let us know.
 
Syed1 said:
Indians did the same in the last T20 WC, just saying. :shh
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Indians can do it because their team is miles better than ours. It is quite stupid to laugh at a team that is vastly superior than you.
 
Mamoon said:
In spite of winning the CT in 2017, Pakistan is one of the worst ODI teams of the last 10 years. It sums up the value of that tournament - a tournament ICC wants to scrap.
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And the worst side of the last 10 years has an ICC trophy, while the top side and richest board has not won a single ICC trophy in last 10 years :)
 
Major said:
ok bro, you can swap series win.

We will enjoy ICC trophies. When India finally holds on to a title let us know.
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ICC trophies? You haven’t made an ODI World Cup final since 1999. Please sit down.
 
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Major said:
And the worst side of the last 10 years has an ICC trophy, while the top side and richest board has not won a single ICC trophy in last 10 years :)
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Which shows that winning ICC trophies isn’t everything and the only barometer of success.

Teams with most ICC trophies in this millennium:

1. Australia
2. India
3. West Indies

West Indies has the third most trophies in the last 23 years but no one including you who is doing trophy trophy like a kid would put them amongst the top 3 cricket teams of this millennium.
 
Mamoon said:
ICC trophies? You haven’t made an ODI World Cup final since 1999. Please sit down.
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And yet we have an ICC Title with us currently.

No matter what names you call Pakistan, it only looks bad on India, because Pakistan holds a current ICC title, while India doesnt.
 
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Mamoon said:
Which shows that winning ICC trophies isn’t everything and the only barometer of success.

Teams with most ICC trophies in this millennium:

1. Australia
2. India
3. West Indies

West Indies has the third most trophies in the last 23 years but no one including you who is doing trophy trophy like a kid would put them amongst the top 3 cricket teams of this millennium.
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First you yourself said 10 years, now you wana go back to the millennium.
Loving the gymnastics.

Thing is, the current ICC trophies belong to Australia, England, and Pakistan
 
Major said:
And the worst side of the last 10 years has an ICC trophy, while the top side and richest board has not won a single ICC trophy in last 10 years :)
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The ICC Champion’s Trophy also only admits the top 8 sides. Less opportunity for Kohli and the rest of the team to stat pad runs in the group stage.
 
Had Indian won the final, we would cry that it was fixed or rigged or the pitch was doctored to suit India. Toss technology, DRS technology, pitch change technology.

Now that India lost, we are crying about how they choked etc.

Whether India wins or loses, there is one constant - our tears.
 
Mamoon said:
Had Indian won the final, we would cry that it was fixed or rigged or the pitch was doctored to suit India. Toss technology, DRS technology, pitch change technology.

Now that India lost, we are crying about how they choked etc.

Whether India wins or loses, there is one constant - our tears.
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Well that is an assumption, as you said, HAD india won.

We have been hearing this statement for the last 10 years though, HAD india won......
 
Major said:
And the worst side of the last 10 years has an ICC trophy, while the top side and richest board has not won a single ICC trophy in last 10 years :)
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I'm sure we would've won 1 or 2 more trophies over the last 12 years if it wasn't for Misbah. Remember the CT was won after he had retired from white ball cricket and before his coaching stint, so not sure where all this bhangra is coming from.
 
Mamoon said:
ICC trophies? You haven’t made an ODI World Cup final since 1999. Please sit down.

Pakistan is an absolute nonsense cricket nation. The epitome of mediocrity.
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How can you come at Pakistani fans if you’re a fan of English cricket? 😂

England invented the game, the first few World Cups were all played in England, and your team only just managed to finally fluke their way to an ODI WC win in 2019 with the most freakish accident - the ball bouncing off Stokes bat for a boundary - followed up by winning on boundary count. Then we found out how good these same players are when they’re not playing on flat pitches at home. On the Test side, you also only won the Ashes once in the last 10 years.
 
Mamoon said:
Had Indian won the final, we would cry that it was fixed or rigged or the pitch was doctored to suit India. Toss technology, DRS technology, pitch change technology.

Now that India lost, we are crying about how they choked etc.

Whether India wins or loses, there is one constant - our tears.
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I see no tears on our side today, only celebrations.
 
Mamoon said:
West Indies have won three trophies since 2000 but no one would look at this period and consider West Indies as one of the most successful teams.

Trophies aren’t the only measure of success. Pakistan cannot even dream of the level of cricket that India have played over the years.

I would happily swap Pakistan and India’s last 10 years across formats in spite of Pakistan’s CT win.
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You said before the World Cup that Gill is the best batter in the world. But he didn’t win India a single match and played a nothing shot today.
You jumped on the hype brigade and it calls into question your judgement here.
I told you on the thread that Travis Head is the next super star because he’s already proven himself in every format. But it seems that you care more about national origin rather than proven performers.
 

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Farabi said:
You said before the World Cup that Gill is the best batter in the world. But he didn’t win India a single match and played a nothing shot today.
You jumped on the hype brigade and it calls into question your judgement here.
I told you on the thread that Travis Head is the next super star because he’s already proven himself in every format. But it seems that you care more about national origin rather than proven performers.
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Gill is better than Babar and few years down the line, Gill vs Babar would be as idiotic as Kohli vs Babar.

Never compare Pakistani batsmen with their Indian counterparts. There will never any comparison.

Not sure what Travis Head has to do with this. Yes I understand he is Pakistan’s national hero today and will remain so for a few months but he is a mature 29 year old batsman who is in the peak of his career.

Gill is an upcoming batsman with massive potential and the comparison with Shafique was a joke because Shafique is not worthy of lacing his boots.
 
Mamoon said:
Gill is better than Babar and few years down the line, Gill vs Babar would be as idiotic as Kohli vs Babar.

Never compare Pakistani batsmen with their Indian counterparts. There will never any comparison.

Not sure what Travis Head has to do with this. Yes I understand he is Pakistan’s national hero today and will remain so for a few months but he is a mature 29 year old batsman who is in the peak of his career.

Gill is an upcoming batsman with massive potential and the comparison with Shafique was a joke because Shafique is not worthy of lacing his boots.
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The thread I am referring to was about who will be the best batter in the world cup.
And I called Rachin and Travis Head. But you insisted Gill. Where is he? India should have gone with Kishan, who is a much better talent and clutch batter
 
Mamoon said:
Gill is better than Babar and few years down the line, Gill vs Babar would be as idiotic as Kohli vs Babar.

Never compare Pakistani batsmen with their Indian counterparts. There will never any comparison.

Not sure what Travis Head has to do with this. Yes I understand he is Pakistan’s national hero today and will remain so for a few months but he is a mature 29 year old batsman who is in the peak of his career.

Gill is an upcoming batsman with massive potential and the comparison with Shafique was a joke because Shafique is not worthy of lacing his boots.
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I have never compared Babar with Kohli. There is no comparison with Kohli. After this performance, Gill should not be compared to anyone. A pathetic showing in home conditions. Forget Babar, even Abdullah looked more assured than Gill. Sorry but I am not buying this hype until I see substance. And sorry a 50 against Australia in a test match doesn’t count.
 
Mamoon said:
England have reached heights in the last few years that Pakistan cannot even dream of.

Again - please stop taking potshots at those who are much better than you. It is a very dumb thing to do.
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You fluked to a WC in home conditions and the world saw how good the team was the second they left home. When it comes to T20, I literally could not care less about the format. We were the runner ups in that tournament and no one really cared that much - the captain who led us to the finals of that WC was even fired before the next T20 WC. English cricket hasn’t had much to look forward to in the Test format or even the ODI format so I understand the emphasis on T20 results.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
Yes we haven’t won a finals in a while, it’s worrying. And this was our best chance.

We have a fantastic team, I believe that. But we didn’t win, and that’s what matters.

But I don’t think it’s a choke. A choke is when you should win but dont. We on the other hand were beaten by the better team.

More an indicator that we need to improve, not a choke.
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You should have won it based on the way you were playing the tournament, every batter and every bowler was in pure form, almost half a dozen in form of their life.
 
Rohit and Virat are the least people to be blamed for this defeat. Rohit tweaked his game a month before wc and consistently provided quick starts on all the wickets.

Virat was consistent throughout and did his part today as well. It was Gill and Iyer's ineptness today that cost them. Both should have put more price on their respective wickets especially considering they didn't bat deep. SKY hasn't done anything in ODIs or tests and maybe his experiment in the longer formats should be put on hold for now. Rahul (I feel he is always like this. He just isn't the guy who grabs the game by the scruff of its neck. even when he gets set, he doesn't make the opposition pay in high profile games, won't say rahul failed here, he just did what he's done throughout his career).
 
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Mamoon said:
Yes England should return the T20 World Cup because you don’t care about it.
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T20s will always have less importance/weightage than ODIs and tests for obvious reasons. The emphasis should be on the Captain getting fired from that format he lead his team into the final and semis not whether the dude cares or not.
 
India decision to make the pitch to their own comfort level kicked them in the ass. Had it been regular batting pitch they could have scored 300 and had a comfortable position. They tried best by taking advantage but became laughing stock at the end.. loved the silence.. Australia is the worst team to play final with....they are cool as cucumber. How much Asian team try they also scum under pressure. ..
 
As much as I dislike the Indian cricket team I can begrudgingly give them credit where it’s due, but all you do is bang on about how terrible Pakistan are, how great India are, then you call yourself a England fan, I’ll give you credit for one thing your consistent
 
160KPH said:
The ICC Champion’s Trophy also only admits the top 8 sides. Less opportunity for Kohli and the rest of the team to stat pad runs in the group stage.
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Kohli statpads pretty easily against Pakistan every time though. Scored a century in the semis, 50 in the final and won mott.
 
Farabi said:
You said before the World Cup that Gill is the best batter in the world. But he didn’t win India a single match and played a nothing shot today.
You jumped on the hype brigade and it calls into question your judgement here.
I told you on the thread that Travis Head is the next super star because he’s already proven himself in every format. But it seems that you care more about national origin rather than proven performers.
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Shubhman is Bradman and Prithvi is Tendulkar according to our bhai
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Kohli statpads pretty easily against Pakistan every time though. Scored a century in the semis, 50 in the final and won mott.
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True, Pakistan hasn’t been that good or consistently that good the last 10+ years so plenty of players have scored against us. That’s what makes it even more shocking that he managed to fail so badly when it mattered most - in the CT Final. Threw his wicket away twice in the span of two balls.
 
160KPH said:
True, Pakistan hasn’t been that good or consistently that good the last 10+ years so plenty of players have scored against us. That’s what makes it even more shocking that he managed to fail so badly when it mattered most - in the CT Final. Threw his wicket away twice in the span of two balls.
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He scored a century against Pakistan in a wc didn't he and let's not forget his epic knocks of 82&183.
He failed in the ct final but had a great wc this time around
 
Statpadder Inc said:
He scored a century against Pakistan in a wc didn't he and let's not forget his epic knocks of 82&183.
He failed in the ct final but had a great wc this time around
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His T20 record is undeniable. He’s the T20 GOAT and the 82 was legendary, just don’t think he’s as good at ODIs as the highest tier like Sachin and Vivian Richards.
 
160KPH said:
His T20 record is undeniable. He’s the T20 GOAT and the 82 was legendary, just don’t think he’s as good at ODIs as the highest tier like Sachin and Vivian Richards.
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Fair enough, I think is a top 3 odi batsmen but you have to count for the difference in eras. But those who call kohli a choker seem to forget the fact that the great viv richards himself in 2 finals and in one of those he failed to chase 183 against a mediocre Indian team with a trundler army
 
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Mamoon said:
Had Indian won the final, we would cry that it was fixed or rigged or the pitch was doctored to suit India. Toss technology, DRS technology, pitch change technology.

Now that India lost, we are crying about how they choked etc.

Whether India wins or loses, there is one constant - our tears.
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We aren't crying about this monumental choke, why would we lol? We are gloating with happiness.
 
Mamoon said:
Good. Keep celebrating Australia’s success because your own rubbish team doesn’t give you any reason to celebrate.
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Your team does?

I guess choking is an art form which India has perfected, so it can be celebrated too :najam
 
Marooned said:
We aren't crying about this monumental choke, why would we lol? We are gloating with happiness.
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That's sad but I understand. Can't choke when you don't reach the knockout stages. Getting humilated by Afghanistan and reaching same out of world cups as kenya in the 21st century must fill your heart with pride, because that doesn't count as choking. Let's how much love you have for Australia after the inevitable whitewash
 
Mamoon said:
Had Indian won the final, we would cry that it was fixed or rigged or the pitch was doctored to suit India. Toss technology, DRS technology, pitch change technology.

Now that India lost, we are crying about how they choked etc.

Whether India wins or loses, there is one constant - our tears.
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Me , I'm a neutral Brit, I just like to see the best team win, and that's what happened.
 
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Major said:
And the worst side of the last 10 years has an ICC trophy, while the top side and richest board has not won a single ICC trophy in last 10 years :)
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Are you now claiming that Trophy for Pakistan? You do now who the captain was and who bowled Pakistan to victory? Two guys that you have openly disowned here
 
Mamoon said:
Had Indian won the final, we would cry that it was fixed or rigged or the pitch was doctored to suit India. Toss technology, DRS technology, pitch change technology.

Now that India lost, we are crying about how they choked etc.

Whether India wins or loses, there is one constant - our tears.
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Who are we in this ridiculous statement? Who is crying after getting crushed by Australia in front of their own misery inflicted fans? Sometimes you just need to accept defeat gracefully instead of wishing it weren't so. Don't be sad Mamoon, just wish for better tomorrow.
 
Mamoon said:
Gill is better than Babar and few years down the line, Gill vs Babar would be as idiotic as Kohli vs Babar.

Never compare Pakistani batsmen with their Indian counterparts. There will never any comparison.

Not sure what Travis Head has to do with this. Yes I understand he is Pakistan’s national hero today and will remain so for a few months but he is a mature 29 year old batsman who is in the peak of his career.

Gill is an upcoming batsman with massive potential and the comparison with Shafique was a joke because Shafique is not worthy of lacing his boots.
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But they lost. So all these Personal milestones mean jack when you have everything you want including pitch switching and you get humiliated in front of your own fans.
 
Mamoon said:
Indians can do it because their team is miles better than ours. It is quite stupid to laugh at a team that is vastly superior than you.
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This is absurd logic and makes no sense

So India can laugh at Pakistan losing because they are miles better?

Yet we can't laugh at them for losing despite them being miles better? How on earth does that work?
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Fair enough, I think is a top 3 odi batsmen but you have to count for the difference in eras. But those who call kohli a choker seem to forget the fact that the great viv richards himself in 2 finals and in one of those he failed to chase 183 against a mediocre Indian team with a trundler army
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Viv Averages 55 in One day finals= 17 Innings
Kholi Averages 26 in One day and T20 finals=9 innings
 
Bilal7 said:
They are a team of chokers. Really not that complicated. 2015, 2017, 2019 and now 2023. Not to mention the T20 cups.

ZERO ICC trophies in the last decade.
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You are back after Babar Azam vs Virat in WC thread.strated it and was not seen after Virat scoring runs . Came back after India lost finals

Lol
 
Indian cricket team - always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

Still grinning from ear to ear this morning after our boy Head's heroics. 😁
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I thought you guys dont have rivalry with Pakistan but you are mentioning every second post.

Even neutrals worldwide are laughing at India today.

Just relax and take it. IPL starts soon.
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Don't worry bilaterals are here too.
Also don't forget an Indian won the world cup

Sanghaaaa
 
I would rather have a team as strong as India for last decade or so. But Pakistan has done relatively in line or even a case of outperforming for its strength. India has on paper been the best side arguably for a decade and nothing for show for it. If I were an Indian fan I’d feel very sad about that. It’s bad enough when your team isn’t good enough. But if your team is good enough and you still don’t win anything, must be even worse.

Theres not really anything positive about this. Everyone knows India is a a strong team and has been for a long time, they’ve proved that many times. What they lack now are tournament wins which yet again they’ve failed to do so.

We go over the top in criticism for Pakistan when they fail to win when they weren’t even close to tournament favourites in any tournament. Especially when they get to final/semi final. We need to become the strongest team or one of them realistically before we can demand success like that, otherwise it’s just not fair. India on the other hand, the justification for being made about them not winning tournaments especially when they often enter as favourites is far more understandable.
 
India have won two 50 over world cups and one T20 world cup. Pakistan have won one of each. Considering the fact, that India have way more resources at their disposal, and that ICC are their dost, India are massive underachieves in cricket. They have only won one more World Cup than Pakistan when they should have been the most successful cricketing nation, instead of Australia.
 
Yeah.

India played quite poorly in the final.

Australia are World Champions deservedly so.

They find ways to win tournaments.

One good thing that has happened by India losing is that the mood in Pakistan has improved.

Rest is the usual trolls who were hiding and waiting for India to lose before they could troll so we have those types on both sides of the border.

Think Kohli has a good tournament though and cemented his place as ATG and that made my tournament. : )
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Yeah.

India played quite poorly in the final.

Australia are World Champions deservedly so.

They find ways to win tournaments.

One good thing that has happened by India losing is that the mood in Pakistan has improved.

Rest is the usual trolls who were hiding and waiting for India to lose before they could troll so we have those types on both sides of the border.

Think Kohli has a good tournament though and cemented his place as ATG and that made my tournament. : )
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Kohli cemented his status as an ATG by 2016.

Those who cannot stomach his greatness will try to find ways to weigh him down no matter what he does.
 
Technics 1210 said:
I feel more sorry for the haters of Pakistan who once again were priming themselves with a litany of posts anointing India for sainthood while condemning Pakistan (Just go read the commentary thread of the WC final and the usual suspects dragging Pakistan into the WC final for no reason).

The same sorry lot have zero say on India getting caught rigging pitches - but alas, India are so good they do not need to rig pitches! :LOL:

India are not winning an ODI WC for at least 10 years, so I guess the hate towards Pakistan will have to wait until the next decade! :LOL:
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What rigging was done in WC 2023? Care to explain?
 
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