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India close Day 2 of the 4th Test at the Oval on 43/0 trailing England by 56 runs

Once again Thakur brought India back into this match. He won't get the credit though because it is only reserved for golden boys of India. :inti
 
Its a very difficult road on for India, cant win this by any other way but go all guns blazing. If they gonna play proper cricket, they will lose the game. Need to set a target of atleast 300
 
Thakur’s short ball wont cause much issues for Woakes. He does have a weakness against short balls but not at this pace.
 
Woakes looking extremely comfortable as a batsman, he has improved his all-round game enormously.
 
Self inflicted wounds from England. Both Moeen & Pope didn't need to play those shots. The pitch has eased up. England could have taken a lead of 150+ and put pressure on India but that seems a bit far out of hand at the moment.
 
drubwrubnat said:
Its a very difficult road on for India, cant win this by any other way but go all guns blazing. If they gonna play proper cricket, they will lose the game. Need to set a target of atleast 300
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200 runs target is enough in the final innings.
 
Once again showing why you need to select bowlers for their bowling first and not whatever runs you can add
 
30's and 40's dont help in tests... bairstow and moeen should have capitalised on the starts and shut India out
 
Ahmed216 said:
30's and 40's dont help in tests... bairstow and moeen should have capitalised on the starts and shut India out
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The lead is 85 now and in the last test, England bowlers were able to extract much more movement on the same pitch which Indians struggled. So you really cant tell pitch is flat enough until England bowl again.
 
Really important runs for Eng these being scored on last wicket
 
Protea Fan said:
Woakes is far more utility cricketer than curran
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I would say he is proper all-rounder. BCCI should learn from ECB on how to groom bowlers and their batting skills. With much less population(majority of them not even play cricket), look at what ECB achieved. Most of their bowlers are competent batsmen whereas India’s young fast bowlers still bat like Ashish Nehra.
 
England is now humiliating India ...batting them completely out of the game.
 
Amazing captaincy

:)))

Took him 20 runs to realize he needs to put fielders in the deep.

And no yorker for Anderson.

Genius stuff from GOAT captain of Asia.
 
We'd lose at least half our side in usurping these 100 runs!
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Once again showing why you need to select bowlers for their bowling first and not whatever runs you can add
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You keep repeating the same irrespective of match results.

Not that i disagree with you but Englands lower order saved them.

The bowlers who can bat saved them.

Had India bowled out for 150 but Englabd too bowled out for 130....it would have ghanta made difference.
 
MP2011 said:
We'd lose at least half our side in usurping these 100 runs!
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Expect England to be chasing two digit score in 4th inning. We have an awful batting lineup and no Ashwin in the final inning to give us a chance of win while defending anything under 200.
 
You want proper bats.

You want a lower order that can atleast hang around.

Yes, there are times when we deviate from this and it would make sense but theres no hard and fast rule.
 
99 is a very handy lead. I was not impressed with the top order last night and this morning, but it’s been a really good performance from the England middle and lower order today.
 
Chris woakes is a proper batsman.He is just way too good in these conditions.

He was thoroughly missed in first three tests.
 
Why.

Oh why.

Why oh why.

Did India not pick Ashwin.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
You keep repeating the same irrespective of match results.

Not that i disagree with you but Englands lower order saved them.

The bowlers who can bat saved them.

Had India bowled out for 150 but Englabd too bowled out for 130....it would have ghanta made difference.
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Because I dont think match results are a true indicator of how right selections are. Woakes is a brilliant bowler atleast in these conditions and among their best .
 
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This is a very poor lead to concede for India, should really have wrapped it up as soon as Pope got out. Poor captaincy and bowling in the last half hour.

England firm favourites to win this test now.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Because I dont think match results are a true indicator of how right selections are. Woakes is a brilliant bowler atleast in these conditions and among their best .
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Agreed on both counts.

What about Moeen...wasnt his runs useful .

Also theres a difference betwern playing bowlers just for batting....and playing 4 number xis.

As i said, yes there are situarions where 4 number xis would make sense with solid batting but more often than not...it flops.

Problem with our team is lack of a nuanced approach to understanding the game.
 
These are decent batting conditions. Good enough for someone to play a big knock and India would be hoping for someone to put his hand up
 
Might be a radical move, but if a wicket falls tonight we should promote Rahane to #3.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Agreed on both counts.

What about Moeen...wasnt his runs useful .

Also theres a difference betwern playing bowlers just for batting....and playing 4 number xis.

As i said, yes there are situarions where 4 number xis would make sense with solid batting but more often than not...it flops.

Problem with our team is lack of a nuanced approach to understanding the game.
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Why are you giving an example of Moeen when you can easily give an example of Shardul Thakur from our own team? :inti
 
The pitch has dried out now, no grass left. The next day or so shall comprise some of the best batting conditions for the test.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Agreed on both counts.

What about Moeen...wasnt his runs useful .

Also theres a difference betwern playing bowlers just for batting....and playing 4 number xis.

As i said, yes there are situarions where 4 number xis would make sense with solid batting but more often than not...it flops.

Problem with our team is lack of a nuanced approach to understanding the game.
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There is no need for a nuanced approach imo for this this team. The batters are not scoring runs and that is the only real concern. I dont think Thakur is a test class seamer and shouldnt play no matter what.
 
Win or lose doesnt matter to me, need to go hard, thats all i ask 🙂

On a side note, a few lines from Dylan Thomas ……

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
There is no need for a nuanced approach imo for this this team. The batters are not scoring runs and that is the only real concern. I dont think Thakur is a test class seamer and shouldnt play no matter what.
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There absolutely is cos batters are not scoring runs.
 
India should play positively here , runs are what will matter , they need to go for runs , that will put pressure on England.
 
England let India off the hook. If the pitch is flat I back India
 
Woakes has the ball in hand now , India should attack him and show how medium pacers are treated
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Then we need better batters. Bowling quality cannot be compromised or you'll have heists like the one Woakes pulled off.
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They had 4 pacers just like you wanted.

Still you are saying this.

They picked shardul cos he can swing the ball and he did well in gabba.

Are you telling me the 4 pacers have to ve exactly upto your specifications?

If such perfection can be achieved why do we even need a captain and management
 
It seems the modern way of getting batsmen out in tests is to stem the flow of runs for a few overs. T20 era batsmen tend to lost patience very easily.
 
Just make bad light excuse and call for a spinner to be brought or ask for stumps.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
They had 4 pacers just like you wanted.

Still you are saying this.

They picked shardul cos he can swing the ball and he did well in gabba.

Are you telling me the 4 pacers have to ve exactly upto your specifications?

If such perfection can be achieved why do we even need a captain and management
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The four fast bowler strategy has failed in this test, there was a big drop in quality between Bumrah and the rest of the attack. Yadav bowled some wicket-taking deliveries, but was too inconsistent as usual to maintain the pressure on the batsmen.

Sure the batting on day 1 was horrific, but India didn't bowl well today either.
 
Last Monetarist said:
The four fast bowler strategy has failed in this test, there was a big drop in quality between Bumrah and the rest of the attack. Yadav bowled some wicket-taking deliveries, but was too inconsistent as usual to maintain the pressure on the batsmen.

Sure the batting on day 1 was horrific, but India didn't bowl well today either.
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Agreed.

In a long series this is expected.
 
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