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India close Day 2 on 54/1, 249 runs ahead after bowling England out for 134 in 2nd Test in Chennai

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Manunited18 said:
As a cricket fan whose used to watching quality Test cricket on high quality prepared test wickets in England, this wicket for me falls in to the substandard category.
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The bounce is good.

This is a type of cricket wicket too.

I loved the Aussie wickets (Except Sydney).

And I am loving this.
 
Actual English fans enjoying the contest but our salty parosis are in full maatham mode. :))
 
Ahmed216 said:
Ya they do but at least the pitches are not doctored. At least the english do not do it after a loss
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How you define it as doctored?

India got 330 and England top order threw their wicket to a world class quality spinner like Ashwin.
 
Enjoying how Pope is using his feet so late.
 
Eng can get to 200+ if these two can add some runs here.
 
Manunited18 said:
As a cricket fan whose used to watching quality Test cricket on high quality prepared test wickets in England, this wicket for me falls in to the substandard category.
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Substandard wickets are those English wickets where even 78 mph trundlers like Abbas and sam Curran look like world beaters.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Ya they do but at least the pitches are not doctored. At least the english do not do it after a loss
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If England had won the toss , then ? Just accept the fact India better than England in these conditions , this is not an ordinary Indian Team , they thrashed Aussies in their own home with a C - side. You expect India to be rolled over by England ?
 
Mesozoic said:
Actual English fans enjoying the contest but our salty parosis are in full maatham mode. :))
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Thats the best part. :)))

On top of that, this is for a team that has won in Aus 2 times in a row.

You would think results would change the views but some live in alternate dimension. lol.

The sad part is that some of these crying fans make it hard for other genuine Pak fans to raise legitimate criticism who end up choosing their words too carefully in order to not get lumped in with these folks.
 
Mesozoic said:
Yeah how dare they prepare this type of wicket...

They should have prepared a Trent Bridge type wicket just like how England prepare a Nagpur type wicket whenever we tour there right? :))
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“England” don’t prepare Trent Bridge wickets - the Notts CCC groundsman does and it is invariably a seamer.

Interesting to see the difference between these adjacent Chennai decks though.
 
Manunited18 said:
As a cricket fan whose used to watching quality Test cricket on high quality prepared test wickets in England, this wicket for me falls in to the substandard category.
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Sorry to break your heart, but these no-name Sibleys and Popes ain't cut out for anything other than dibbly-dobbly county seamers.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Substandard wickets are those English wicked where even 78 mph trundkers like Abbas and sam Curran look like world beaters.
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Look what I think is that every country prepares pitches to suit own strength , there is nothing wrong about it, it adds to flavour of test cricket , all kinds of skill sets are alive , this is great for test cricket , we do not want to see flat pitches ending in draws
 
Robert said:
“England” don’t prepare Trent Bridge wickets - the Notts CCC groundsman does and it is invariably a seamer.

Interesting to see the difference between these adjacent Chennai decks though.
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Just like how the TB wicket becomes an absolute belter for white ball cricket and a seamer for tests depending on Englands relative strengths for the respective formats . :)
 
Robert said:
“England” don’t prepare Trent Bridge wickets - the Notts CCC groundsman does and it is invariably a seamer.

Interesting to see the difference between these adjacent Chennai decks though.
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He is making a different point altogether.
 
Robert said:
“England” don’t prepare Trent Bridge wickets - the Notts CCC groundsman does and it is invariably a seamer.

Interesting to see the difference between these adjacent Chennai decks though.
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Lol, so innocent!
 
Justcrazy said:
Look what I think is that every country prepares pitches to suit own strength , there is nothing wrong about it, it adds to flavour of test cricket , all kinds of skill sets are alive , this is great for test cricket , we do not want to see flat pitches ending in draws
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That's the truth but some will act all lofty when it's clear as daylight, and acknowledged by pundits as well, as that England ho out of their way to give their fast medium attack every advantage available in home conditions.
 
Long hot Day for England here , as this pair is battling out , trying come a little close to India Total
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Substandard wickets are those English wickets where even 78 mph trundlers like Abbas and sam Curran look like world beaters.
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Gavaskar, Vengsarkar, Tendulkar, Dravid seemed to be able to bat on them.

But their successors (Kohli apart) don’t have the same skill-sets.

England is the home of seam and orthodox swing, so seamers and swingers (but not spinners or fast bowlers) proliferate here.
 
No wicket has fallen for so many overs. This is unacceptable!
 
Robert said:
Gavaskar, Vengsarkar, Tendulkar, Dravid seemed to be able to bat on them.

But their successors (Kohli apart) don’t have the same skill-sets.

England is the home of seam and orthodox swing, so seamers and swingers (but not spinners or fast bowlers) proliferate here.
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Except that we have enough data to show that between 2006 and 2014 , England didnt produce pitches that seamed a lot. But after that series loss to SL at home, pitchrs started seaming a lot more and have consistently done so for the last 7 years . All a coincidence I'm sure.
 
i see the doctored pitch brigade are out in force..sorry but if you want to win in the sub continent you got to play spin..end of..what about when Pakistan go to australia and get thrashed on fast bouncy pitches? or when India go to New zealand and we suddenly see kiwi trundlers getting bags of wickets?

The fact is this is int test cricket, not hit and giggle t20 bakwaas..beat the best in their back yard on their pitches..like we did in 87 and 2005, and like they did in 2004..stop moaning..

ps the english use every home advantage they can get then prance around for months claiming they are the best in the world..
 
England did not face this quality spinners in Lanka where they won easily , there spinners were not this consistent
 
When the newer, harder ball is bursting through the surface, it is very challenging to bat on this pitch. But it both innings we have seen how batting gets slightly easier when the ball gets significantly softer (after 30 overs).
 
the Great Khan said:
i see the doctored pitch brigade are out in force..sorry but if you want to win in the sub continent you got to play spin..end of..what about when Pakistan go to australia and get thrashed on fast bouncy pitches? or when India go to New zealand and we suddenly see kiwi trundlers getting bags of wickets?

The fact is this is int test cricket, not hit and giggle t20 bakwaas..beat the best in their back yard on their pitches..like we did in 87 and 2005, and like they did in 2004..stop moaning..

ps the english use every home advantage they can get then prance around for months claiming they are the best in the world..
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This. Well said.

This is test cricket for heaven's sake and spinners and spinning pitches are as much part of cricket as seamers and seaming pitches are.
 
First wicket on home soil for Siraj on his first ball on home soil.
 
Lol what the heck. Now this is the old England in India routine
 
the Great Khan said:
i see the doctored pitch brigade are out in force..sorry but if you want to win in the sub continent you got to play spin..end of..what about when Pakistan go to australia and get thrashed on fast bouncy pitches? or when India go to New zealand and we suddenly see kiwi trundlers getting bags of wickets?

The fact is this is int test cricket, not hit and giggle t20 bakwaas..beat the best in their back yard on their pitches..like we did in 87 and 2005, and like they did in 2004..stop moaning..

ps the english use every home advantage they can get then prance around for months claiming they are the best in the world..
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Could you give an example of “the English” prancing around for months claiming this? Perhaps you can quote Root, or Stokes, or Anderson? Perhaps Giles, or Silverwood ?
 
Encouraging to see a man with two test hundreds in India at #8. Come on our Beard.
 
Pitches reflect local conditions and climate, and the type of soil.
Mohali pitch is a bit harder.. Mumbai and Chennai are turners.. Rajkot is flat and dead.
India a country of spinners.. So pitches will turn. Same as Australia is a country of bounce,
England/NZ is a country of swing/seam.

People moaning about a turning pitch.. lol.. they were celebrating and asking for creating low, slow turners in Karachi of all the places.. and they got it.
I have never see such a low bounce wicket in Karachi before.. So what gives.
 
England lower order may try hard but its nearly impossible for them to save the game , 329 is a massive score on this surface
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Substandard wickets are those English wickets where even 78 mph trundlers like Abbas and sam Curran look like world beaters.
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Substandard in England? We don't get the consistent hot summer's in the UK as you guys do in the subcontinent, a test wicket in England in general plays two ways, if it's overcast and damp it generally swings and seems, if decent weather its a belter for batting. Am sure you can remember back to 2018 when the wickets were quality test wickets which ran their course over 5 days and most importantly the paying public got their money's worth.
 
India should enforce the follow-on if they get the chance. Put the final nails in the English coffin.
 
the Great Khan said:
i see the doctored pitch brigade are out in force..sorry but if you want to win in the sub continent you got to play spin..end of..what about when Pakistan go to australia and get thrashed on fast bouncy pitches? or when India go to New zealand and we suddenly see kiwi trundlers getting bags of wickets?

The fact is this is int test cricket, not hit and giggle t20 bakwaas..beat the best in their back yard on their pitches..like we did in 87 and 2005, and like they did in 2004..stop moaning..

ps the english use every home advantage they can get then prance around for months claiming they are the best in the world..
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I used to buy into that narrative that only some teams doctor pitches but the data that's available now , those myths have been shattered completely. NZ prepared the most bowler friendly wickets in a decade when India toured, Australia prepared the flattest Sydney and Gabba wickets in years when their batsmen struggled at MCG and Adelaide . England have been preparing seamer friendly wickets since 2014 since that embarrassing loss to SL.
 
Robert said:
Could you give an example of “the English” prancing around for months claiming this? Perhaps you can quote Root, or Stokes, or Anderson? Perhaps Giles, or Silverwood ?
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Ashes 2013 was the classic example. After dishing out Swann-centric wickets your lot were dancing in the aisles until Johnno made it all come crashing down.
 
Manunited18 said:
Substandard in England? We don't get the consistent hot summer's in the UK as you guys do in the subcontinent, a test wicket in England in general plays two ways, if it's overcast and damp it generally swings and seems, if decent weather its a belter for batting. Am sure you can remember back to 2018 when the wickets were quality test wickets which ran their course over 5 days and most importantly the paying public got their money's worth.
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Any pitch where 78 mph trundlers can take a wicket is a substandard pitch. It's the only reason England have not lost a series at home since 2014. The tests lasted 5 days because India were good enough to last 5 days. If England are good enough, they'll last 5 days here
 
Nikhil_cric said:
That's the truth but some will act all lofty when it's clear as daylight, and acknowledged by pundits as well, as that England ho out of their way to give their fast medium attack every advantage available in home conditions.
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Olly stone, archer, woods fast medium?
England seam attack is more balanced than indias id say, genuine pace , seam and swing, hit the deck bowlers, it's India's seamers who fall in the category of one paced fast mediumers .
 
MP2011 said:
Lol, so innocent!
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You think the Notts groundsman could make the usual TB seamer into a flier or a Bunsen to order?

How, specifically? Would he dig the pitch up and relay it with different soil? How long would that take, do you think? Could it be achieved in under a year?
 
Manunited18 said:
Olly stone, archer, woods fast medium?
England seam attack is more balanced than indias id say, genuine pace , seam and swing, hit the deck bowlers, it's India's seamers who fall in the category of one paced fast mediumers .
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Archer is fast medium in test cricket. His pace falls of rapidly after his first spell. How many tests did mark wood 2.0 and Olly stone even play in test cricket? The english attack for the most part of the period I referred to was Broad/Anderson/Woakes and, latterly, Curran. All fast medium or medium fast
 
Kuldeep has shown no impact so far. Crime to drop the in-form Washington for this boy. Washi would do the same job and also provide better stability in the batting.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Any pitch where 78 mph trundlers can take a wicket is a substandard pitch. It's the only reason England have not lost a series at home since 2014. The tests lasted 5 days because India were good enough to last 5 days. If England are good enough, they'll last 5 days here
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Get these two teams at Lords on back to back Test matches and youd see two very similar wickets on the square, we've had two back to back Tests here and it's astonishing the difference in preparations of both wickets, for me this looks way to under prepared.
 
RainStopsPlay said:
Kuldeep has shown no impact so far. Crime to drop the in-form Washington for this boy. Washi would do the same job and also provide better stability in the batting.
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Washington can't take a wicket either.

And Kuldeep has barely begun bowling.
 
How India get 329 if pitch is so underprepared

Rahane,known to be bad against spin,got 67

Pant got 58 at a fast clip

Rohit got a daddy ton

Surely not signs of underprepared pitch
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Archer is fast medium in test cricket. His pace falls of rapidly after his first spell. How many tests did mark wood 2.0 and Olly stone even play in test cricket? The english attack for the most part of the period I referred to was Broad/Anderson/Woakes and, latterly, Curran. All fast medium or medium fast
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Well in the current period England always go in with a genuine quick to compliment each other.
 
Varun said:
Washington can't take a wicket either.

And Kuldeep has barely begun bowling.
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Atleast hes a batsman

The problem is Kuldeep is too slow for this pitch

It helps accurate darters which Sundar is
 
Manunited18 said:
Olly stone, archer, woods fast medium?
England seam attack is more balanced than indias id say, genuine pace , seam and swing, hit the deck bowlers, it's India's seamers who fall in the category of one paced fast mediumers .
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And we know Wood's record in England to start with. England's best bowlers in England are Anderson, Broad, Woakes and Archer. Clearly, it is a land of seamers and their dibbly dobbly seamers do well there like Woakes and Curran.
 
Manunited18 said:
Get these two teams at Lords on back to back Test matches and youd see two very similar wickets on the square, we've had two back to back Tests here and it's astonishing the difference in preparations of both wickets, for me this looks way to under prepared.
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Why back to back specifically? England produced a green mamba at Lord's when India toured and the very next year produced the slowest Lords deck in memory to negate a red hot Hazlewood, who was hitting the deck and was bowling with unbelievable accuracy , and Pat Cummins .

Of course, the likes of you will revert to type and blame the capricious English weather for affecting pitch preparation :)
 
Mesozoic said:
What is going on in the comm box? :))
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The typical humourless nonsense that you'd expect from commentators on the BCCI payroll. Butcher should have explained better why bringing up Michael Vaughan's wicket of Tendulkar in 2002 has been a running gag since Vaughan moved into the media.
 
This chap Siraj has got good pace.

Foakes looks in control. Hope :moali stays in for a while, love watching him bat, like a beardy Gower.
 
Robert said:
This chap Siraj has got good pace.

Foakes looks in control. Hope :moali stays in for a while, love watching him bat, like a beardy Gower.
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Should Eng play both Foakes and Buttler going forward?
 
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