India close Day 5 of the WTC final at 2/64, leading New Zealand by 32 runs

[MenInG]

New Zealand 101/2 - still trail by 116 runs - could this be the day NZ put the game out of India's reach? or will they collapse in a heap and give India the advantage?



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[street cricketer]

I'm afraid we'll get very little play today.

 

[MenInG]

I'm afraid we'll get very little play today.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yesterday was one of the most embarassing days for our modern pace attack.

Pretty humiliating as a fan to watch that show.

Even 36 all out can be explained as ill-luck where the ball kept getting the edge ​but what the heck was that bowling performance.

We could barely extract swing (barring Ishant).

Hoping we regroup and fight back.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yesterday was one of the most embarassing days for our modern pace attack.

Pretty humiliating as a fan to watch that show.

Even 36 all out can be explained as ill-luck where the ball kept getting the edge ​but what the heck was that bowling performance.

We could barely extract swing (barring Ishant).

Hoping we regroup and fight back.

Yeah the only thing I was looking forward to in this game was our bowling but they were absolutely one-dimensional and gun barrel straight. The same back of the length skiddy nonsense on a wicket where the kiwi seamers were getting banana swing.

Even Ashwin was bowling flat with zero variations in pace or flight. It could have been a disastrous day if not those stupid shots by Latham and Conway toward the end.

 

[sindhiboy]

Yesterday was one of the most embarassing days for our modern pace attack.

Pretty humiliating as a fan to watch that show.

Even 36 all out can be explained as ill-luck where the ball kept getting the edge ​but what the heck was that bowling performance.

We could barely extract swing (barring Ishant).

Hoping we regroup and fight back.

I don't think india bowled that badly. It was high quality test batting from Latham and Conway. A shame they went out with soft dismissals

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yeah the only thing I was looking forward to in this game was our bowling but they were absolutely one-dimensional and gun barrel straight. The same back of the length skiddy nonsense on a wicket where the kiwi seamers were getting banana swing.

Even Ashwin was bowling flat with zero variations in pace or flight. It could have been a disastrous day if not those stupid shots by Latham and Conway toward the end.

Yeah it was pretty bad.

Only Ishant was getting shape but his radar wasn't on.

Ashwin could have varied his pace more but he did vary it. In fact, Latham fell to a more flighted slower one after a series of quicker ones. Conway almost could have gone the same way an over or two back. There were showing the trajectories of the 2 deliveries.

Then there was no leg slip or he would have got Williamson for 0.

The issue however was that his ratio of slower balls (80-85) to quicker ones (90+) was low. Gavaskar was rightly pointing out that he has to slow it down.

He could have tried to bowl more slower one and if batsmen found it easy on this pitch, then switched over. Annoying bowler.

I don't think india bowled that badly. It was high quality test batting from Latham and Conway. A shame they went out with soft dismissals

Check the swing chart. Google or twitter it.

 

[Junaids]

Rotten weather forecast for today.

NZ will need to try to bat until Tea on Tuesday and declare on around 300, then see if they can bowl India out for around 200 by Tea on Wednesday.

Then they will need to score 100 or so in the final session.

 

[Junaids]

India’s only SENA victories have been in Australia, where there is virtually no seam or swing.

In England, New Zealand and South Africa they just keep losing.

 

[Rajdeep]

India’s only SENA victories have been in Australia, where there is virtually no seam or swing.

In England, New Zealand and South Africa they just keep losing.

A) We have not lost the test match yet and lots of game still remaining.

B) NZ is a very good side...just beat Eng in Eng. So no shame in losing to them in conditions favourable to them.

 

[Ab Fan]

Rotten weather forecast for today.

NZ will need to try to bat until Tea on Tuesday and declare on around 300, then see if they can bowl India out for around 200 by Tea on Wednesday.

Then they will need to score 100 or so in the final session.

Don't think they will declare at 300. Their best bet is if India bowl them out at around 300.

 

[Yasir_ch]

I really don't want India to escape with draw here.India should be humiliated badly.

 

[sindhiboy]

I really don't want India to escape with draw here.India should be humiliated badly.

Today will be washed out. Cloudy but not much rain forecasted for the next 2 days

Best chance for nz is to bat the whole day tomorrow. And they'll have all of Wednesday to bowl india out.
This is assuming bad light doesn't stop play. Which seems very unlikely.
So this will most likely be a draw

 

[Rajdeep]

I really don't want India to escape with draw here.India should be humiliated badly.

That is a narrow way of looking at things. Actually playing in a WTC Finals itself is an honour. Ofcourse one team will win and another will lose but there is nothing humiliation about it.

 

[RamLakhan]

Who will lift the trophy if its a draw?

 

[Pakhs]

NZ are clearly ahead in the game but I think most people knew even before the game began that weather will have the decisive say in this test match.

I would rather Indians have the upper hand in the game if weather is going to spoil it anyway at least that way for once NZ can claim they got a bit luck after that WC final.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Who will lift the trophy if its a draw?

England.

 

[Mesozoic]

Who will lift the trophy if its a draw?

According to a few reputable sources, the spherical part at the top will be given to Kohli and the long stick type handle will be awarded to Williamson.

 

[mastimasti]

Yesterday was one of the most embarassing days for our modern pace attack.

Pretty humiliating as a fan to watch that show.

Even 36 all out can be explained as ill-luck where the ball kept getting the edge ​but what the heck was that bowling performance.

We could barely extract swing (barring Ishant).

Hoping we regroup and fight back.

I think many sensible Indians have spoken about this before - India's pace attack is not as great as it keeps being made out to be. It's why we haven't won in England since the days of Zaheer Khan and it's why we lost recently in NZ.

There are certain conditions where our bowlers are good, on the tracks of Australia at times and obviously with spinners at home.

 

[Rajdeep]

Sky Sports is showing replay of Ind-NZ semi final..ugh such a torture

 

[mastimasti]

Who will lift the trophy if its a draw?

India as they had more points in the WTC. Silly way to decide a final imo and in a sport where draws are a viable result, why not just share the trophy? It's happened in ODI tournaments in the past, would make more sense at the end of a test tournament.

 

[Last Monetarist]

India as they had more points in the WTC. Silly way to decide a final imo and in a sport where draws are a viable result, why not just share the trophy? It's happened in ODI tournaments in the past, would make more sense at the end of a test tournament.

The trophy will be shared if it's a draw or tie.

 

[OMB]

WTC Final: Start of play on Day 4 delayed due to rain. New Zealand 101/2 in 49 overs vs India

 

[King_Kohli]

The rain is unlikely to stop whole day at Southampton.

 

[mastimasti]

The trophy will be shared if it's a draw or tie.

I initially read that it would be decided by points. Just had a read on cricinfo, it will indeed be shared. This makes more sense but is quite sad for which ever team ends up in a dominant position. Alas that is cricket.

 

[globalcitizen]

Nz runrate was 2.06 yesterday and everyone is speaking like they are ahead in game. They have struggled for runs here too.
India were 146/3 when they batted too so anything can happen here.

 

[globalcitizen]

NZ are clearly ahead in the game but I think most people knew even before the game began that weather will have the decisive say in this test match.

I would rather Indians have the upper hand in the game if weather is going to spoil it anyway at least that way for once NZ can claim they got a bit luck after that WC final.

There is nothing to suggest NZ is ahead in game

 

[King_Kohli]

Only one time in history ICC trophy has been shared between 2 sides.

India- Sri Lanka 2002 Champions Trophy.
India- NZ WTC 2021 Final likely to be the second if today is a complete washout.

 

[OMB]

Only one time in history ICC trophy has been shared between 2 sides.

India- Sri Lanka 2002 Champions Trophy.
India- NZ WTC 2021 Final likely to be the second if today is a complete washout.

or an unlikley event that match resumes later today or tomorrow and both the teams suffer a collapse.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Only one time in history ICC trophy has been shared between 2 sides.

India- Sri Lanka 2002 Champions Trophy.
India- NZ WTC 2021 Final likely to be the second if today is a complete washout.

Hold your horses lol. 2 complete days are good enough to get a result on this pitch.

 

[Thephenom]

Well done to India for arranging the Final in England where it rains more often then not, so they can’t loose!

 

[Sir-fraz]

This shouldve been played somewhere else. England is the worst spot when it comes ro rain and luck

 

[street cricketer]

India’s only SENA victories have been in Australia, where there is virtually no seam or swing.

In England, New Zealand and South Africa they just keep losing.

You could say the same for Kiwis too.

 

[Mesozoic]

Well done to India for arranging the Final in England where it rains more often then not, so they can’t loose!

If they really could, wouldn't "India" much rather "arrange" it in countries that are you know.... more favourable to them? Say like... anywhere except England?

 

[Shafi]

So this test is basically draw. Today is 4th day still first innings from both team yet to finish. No way both team crumble like us on 5th day if Ind even gives 200+ to NZ chase in 30+ overs.

 

[Shafi]

There shouldn't be any semi or final matches in England because the weather is so unpredictable.

 

[HitWicket]

So this test is basically draw. Today is 4th day still first innings from both team yet to finish. No way both team crumble like us on 5th day if Ind even gives 200+ to NZ chase in 30+ overs.

There's a reserve day.

 

[silentkiller187]

contrary to belief on here, india are still very much in this game, and in my opinion 2 days will be more than enough to force a result. Hope the rain stays away after today.

 

[King_Kohli]

GOOD NEWS: It has gotten a lot brighter at the Hampshire bowl, and the rain too has almost died down.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

lol and they took lunch ha ha ha!!!!!!
so archaic and idiotic

 

[globalcitizen]

lol and they took lunch ha ha ha!!!!!!
so archaic and idiotic

And what are they supposed to do.. Watch supersoper in action ?

 

[Saurav]

They should have chosen a stadium with a roof or built it on the chosen one.Had all the time

 

[King_Kohli]

Bad news - Rain has started again in Southampton.

 

[HitWicket]

They should have chosen a stadium with a roof or built it on the chosen one.Had all the time

The cost of a roof for a cricket ground would be insane and financially completely unfeasible.

 

[globalcitizen]

Bad news - Rain has started again in Southampton.

Rain forecast is for whole day and was known from a week. So just turn up tomorrow rather than these start stop updates lol

 

[King_Kohli]

Rain forecast is for whole day and was known from a week. So just turn up tomorrow rather than these start stop updates lol

Small hope bro.

Any how even if it totally stops, so much water has fallen that will take a while to dry.

 

[Ab Fan]

NZ are batting cowardly. If they bat whole day tomorrow, then they will reach to 300.

Then India will bat on Day 5 and end at 160/6 with 15 overs loss happening due to bad light and Pujara scoring his usual 50*(180).

All in all, a total of 26 wickets will fall in a 6- day match after being optimistic for final two days.

 

[King_Kohli]

NZ are batting cowardly. If they bat whole day tomorrow, then they will reach to 300.

Then India will bat on Day 5 and end at 160/6 with 15 overs loss happening due to bad light and Pujara scoring his usual 50*(180).

All in all, a total of 26 wickets will fall in a 6- day match after being optimistic for final two days.

I think they are happy for draw.

 

[Saurav]

The cost of a roof for a cricket ground would be insane and financially completely unfeasible.

There is already one.Etihad stadium I think

One was supposed to be built in Headingley

https://yccc.production.parallax.de...round will become,for the 2019 cricket season.

 

[RamLakhan]

NZ are batting cowardly. If they bat whole day tomorrow, then they will reach to 300.

Then India will bat on Day 5 and end at 160/6 with 15 overs loss happening due to bad light and Pujara scoring his usual 50*(180).

All in all, a total of 26 wickets will fall in a 6- day match after being optimistic for final two days.

Yes actually Rahane, Pant, Jadeja, Ashwin (and even Kohli) tried to up the rate (and hence lost their wickets). They were interested in result for the match. If they wanted to continue playing like that (Pujara & Kohli partnership), they would have continued to play slow (If so NZ innings wouldn't even have started yesterday perhaps!) And Indian team would have got mocked for their cowardice & what not!

The conditions are not suitable for batting when it rains so much relentlessly, pitch should dry up at some point for the strokemakers (middle order players like Kohli, Rahane, Pant...) to make some runs after seeing off the new ball, waiting for the pitch to ease up! You can't keep playing cautiously & see the scoreboard strangled! It is not "test" cricket at all... You want to see some strokeplay in any form of cricket! Otherwise it will be boring & pointless...

If it rains like this and there is no result, then teams should not be blamed for this...

 

[HitWicket]

There is already one.Etihad stadium I think

It's an AFL stadium that is very occasionally used for domestic cricket (just the BBL), it hasn't been used for international cricket for 15 years.

One was supposed to be built in Headingley

https://yccc.production.parallax.de...round will become,for the 2019 cricket season.

This was an April fools joke...

 

[Yk313]

I really don't want India to escape with draw here.India should be humiliated badly.

IND should actually get the mace given they topped the rankings and also secured an away victory with more weight than any of NZD’s away victories in this cycle.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Imagine if the WTC finals was held in India , NZ being 217 AO and India being 100/2....& assuming VK won the toss (and santa claus exists) The internet would have melted - We'd be accused of doctoring the pitches, fixing the DRS, Fixing their lunches/dinners, the umpires, stomuch bugs, brain fades, the ridiculous BCCI = ICC , BCCI is responsible for everything evil in the universe etc...imaging the narrative set out in such a situation.
How about commenting on the fact that these conditions are more Kiwi than Indian? NZ is used to such conditions, used to bowling, and more importantly used to batting in such conditions facing such bowling, since their childhood, India is not.
By those parameters, they should have been miles ahead. They are not.
I thought India fought well in conditons foreign to us both literally and figuratively. Yes our MO was pathetic and threw away wickets eg Rohit, Rahane, Ashwin and Pant....Jads didnt play the situation.
Also NZ have match miles in their legs, have played two solid tests, our guys havent had any competitive cricket.
We are known to be pathetic slow starters and our engines take time to heat up.....
I guess tommorow we will be up and flying....watch out....
Go Indiaaaaaa..!

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

India’s only SENA victories have been in Australia, where there is virtually no seam or swing.

In England, New Zealand and South Africa they just keep losing.

Hmm....it swings and seams a lot in Jo-berg in the higher altitude....
it swings and seams a lot in Brisbane as well-muggy climate and it did in 2021 as well
It swings and seams a lot in melbourne as well as it has a climate almost changing on a daily basis
If these countries had 'virtually no seam or swing' it would not be successful in producing bowlers like damien fleming, pollock, hilfenhaus, harris, philander to name just a few, who were terrific swing and seam bowlers as well in addition to pace.
And its not that India have never won in England where there is lot of seam and swing....
Give credit where its due m8...

 

[Bahnz]

Yesterday was one of the most embarassing days for our modern pace attack.

Pretty humiliating as a fan to watch that show.

Even 36 all out can be explained as ill-luck where the ball kept getting the edge ​but what the heck was that bowling performance.

We could barely extract swing (barring Ishant).

Hoping we regroup and fight back.

Tbf, no one gets as mcu swing as NZ, not even England. They have to rely on swing because of the flat pitches, but have to be perfect with their techniques becausr of the kookaburra’s tendency to go gun barrel after 20 overs. The Duke spoils the English. It’s why mediocre journeymen like Woakes are able to fashion decent test records.

Seriously, the duke is too good for bowlers and is holding back English cricket - county cricket is littered with 125 kmh trundlers with 500+ fc wickets.

 

[MP2011]

Give credit where its due m8...

Easier said than done.

 

[Saurav]

Play abandoned for the day

 

[Buffet]

Horrible match and venue.

Teams are going 2 runs per over & constant rain. What an anticlimax of 2 years of wait.

Probably the best conditions NZ could have asked for, but it's not a good match to watch.

 

[Rajdeep]

Is is suppose to rain till early morning tomorrow. So I dont see a 10.30 start tomorrow either as the outfield will be wet. Wednesday is sunny though but 1 day is not enough for result.

 

[King_Kohli]

Is is suppose to rain till early morning tomorrow. So I dont see a 10.30 start tomorrow either as the outfield will be wet. Wednesday is sunny though but 1 day is not enough for result.

Tomorrow no rain predicted during playing hours.
Looks good.

 

[Firebat]

The rain was the only winner on day four of the ICC World Test Championship Final in Southampton as a washout frustrated India and New Zealand.

New Zealand would have started the day on 101 for two in reply to India’s first innings score of 217 but conditions meant Kane Williamson’s side were unable to make any more progress.

With no play taking place at the Hampshire Bowl, the match will now extend into the designated reserve day on Wednesday, if required, after rain also disrupted day one.

The forecast for the fifth and potential sixth days of the Test is significantly better and an announcement will be made on the reserve day on Tuesday.

When play does restart, Williamson and Ross Taylor will be the men at the crease with the Black Caps 116 runs behind India after 49 overs of their first innings.

 

[Ab Fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the forecast better over the next two days and, potentially, 196 overs available, there is enough time for a result. 50% of test matches in the last 3 years have ended in under 320 overs which is what we will most likely end up with.</p>— Harsha Bhogle (@bhogleharsha) <a href="https://twitter.com/bhogleharsha/status/1406990738894643204?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Who will stop Bad light though? I expect 150 overs of cricket more in next two days.

So, overall 290 overs.

 

[HitWicket]

Who will stop Bad light though? I expect 150 overs of cricket more in next two days.

So, overall 290 overs.

The light should be fine until the close of play the next couple of days, it'll be over rates that result in lost overs.

 

[MP2011]

The light should be fine until the close of play the next couple of days, it'll be over rates that result in lost overs.

Over rates have been quite good in this test so far.

 

[Lego20]

If they really could, wouldn't "India" much rather "arrange" it in countries that are you know.... more favourable to them? Say like... anywhere except England?

Ferozshah kotla, delhi!

 

[King_Kohli]

Ferozshah kotla, delhi!

Arun Jaitley Stadium

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I think many sensible Indians have spoken about this before - India's pace attack is not as great as it keeps being made out to be. It's why we haven't won in England since the days of Zaheer Khan and it's why we lost recently in NZ.

There are certain conditions where our bowlers are good, on the tracks of Australia at times and obviously with spinners at home.

It's a combination of multiple things.

Bumrah not being the same after his injury.
Shami coming back after a LONG layoff in test cricket and not being a swing bowler.

Our current pace attack is better at seaming the ball than swinging it.

Should have picked Siraj who can swing it a long way.

Simon Doull was mentioning that Siraj and Thakur were swinging the ball MILES in the nets

Thakur was swinging the Kookaburra in Gabba. He could have been a handful here but picking him is a bit of a hindsight call. Cos if you drop Jaddu or Ash for Thakur and it backfires, the same fans would be seething with anger.

Siraj should have been there.

Ideally in place of Bumrah. But if not, then in place of Shami.

By the way, Shami created the most chances in 2018 series (they showed a table and he had the most chances created compared to other Indian bowlers). He even created a few this test. But he hasn't picked up enough wickets. He has to figure out how to pick wickets in England.

Tbf, no one gets as mcu swing as NZ, not even England. They have to rely on swing because of the flat pitches, but have to be perfect with their techniques becausr of the kookaburra’s tendency to go gun barrel after 20 overs. The Duke spoils the English. It’s why mediocre journeymen like Woakes are able to fashion decent test records.

Seriously, the duke is too good for bowlers and is holding back English cricket - county cricket is littered with 125 kmh trundlers with 500+ fc wickets.

Interesting points...Nikhil also mentioned the same (as in NSZ pacers being better at swing than Englishmen).

With that being said, the performance of our bowlers was still under-par.

They barely troubled the bats much on such bowler friendly conditions which was unfortunate to see.

Let's hope we fight back hard today.

 

[dravidthewall]

Next 3 days weather is clear.. no rains... pity that friday and monday got washed out .. as tuesday wednesday and thursday weather is clear....

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Next 3 days weather is clear.. no rains... pity that friday and monday got washed out .. as tuesday wednesday and thursday weather is clear....

There are only 2 days left in this test.

 

[dravidthewall]

 

[dravidthewall]

There are only 2 days left in this test.

Yes sad that Thursday there wont play

 

[Devadwal]

I can sence Nz win here .Nz will score around 300 in 1st innings then india will be fold around 160 in 2nd inning .Nz can easily 70-80 runs in 25 overs.

 

[mastimasti]

It's a combination of multiple things.

Bumrah not being the same after his injury.
Shami coming back after a LONG layoff in test cricket and not being a swing bowler.

Our current pace attack is better at seaming the ball than swinging it.

Should have picked Siraj who can swing it a long way.

Simon Doull was mentioning that Siraj and Thakur were swinging the ball MILES in the nets

Thakur was swinging the Kookaburra in Gabba. He could have been a handful here but picking him is a bit of a hindsight call. Cos if you drop Jaddu or Ash for Thakur and it backfires, the same fans would be seething with anger.

Siraj should have been there.

Ideally in place of Bumrah. But if not, then in place of Shami.

By the way, Shami created the most chances in 2018 series (they showed a table and he had the most chances created compared to other Indian bowlers). He even created a few this test. But he hasn't picked up enough wickets. He has to figure out how to pick wickets in England.



Interesting points...Nikhil also mentioned the same (as in NSZ pacers being better at swing than Englishmen).

With that being said, the performance of our bowlers was still under-par.

They barely troubled the bats much on such bowler friendly conditions which was unfortunate to see.

Let's hope we fight back hard today.

As Athers and Bish stated on comms, creating chances is not enough. You have to bowl well enough to actually pick wickets.

I'd be interested on a deep analysis into India's supposedly improved pace attack in the last ten years and how they have actually performed...that may be my next project.

 

[mastimasti]

I can sence Nz win here .Nz will score around 300 in 1st innings then india will be fold around 160 in 2nd inning .Nz can easily 70-80 runs in 25 overs.

IF play begins today and there is a full day, and IF we have the use of the 6th day, then I see this as a draw. Theer has been too much time lost and NZs own batters have not looked comfortable. They could get a lead but it will be slender and I think we have enough grit to fight it out in the second innings.

 

[Napa]

Yesterday was one of the most embarassing days for our modern pace attack.

Pretty humiliating as a fan to watch that show.

Even 36 all out can be explained as ill-luck where the ball kept getting the edge ​but what the heck was that bowling performance.

We could barely extract swing (barring Ishant).

Hoping we regroup and fight back.

The Shastri-Kohli selection duo strike again. Bhuvi, Siraj and Thakur should have been playing.

 

[Devadwal]

IF play begins today and there is a full day, and IF we have the use of the 6th day, then I see this as a draw. Theer has been too much time lost and NZs own batters have not looked comfortable. They could get a lead but it will be slender and I think we have enough grit to fight it out in the second innings.

190 over ( weather looks perfect only problem is light at the end of day ) are lots of on this pitch to get a result here.

 

[globalcitizen]

I can sence Nz win here .Nz will score around 300 in 1st innings then india will be fold around 160 in 2nd inning .Nz can easily 70-80 runs in 25 overs.

Nz has more chanced of a win here , it all depends on their intention. It's even better for them to declare with a slender lead of 50. time is essence and they can go hard when india starts batting. We will see how much confidence and courage the #1 team has got.

 

[Proactive_]

The Shastri-Kohli selection duo strike again. Bhuvi, Siraj and Thakur should have been playing.

Actually it's probably one of the very few times the Kohli-Shatri overseas selection has been somewhat acceptable. Being a swing bowler doesn't mean anything if one doesn't have consistency and nobody would back an inexperienced Shardul Thakur in a game of such massive proportions to bowl consistently better than the likes of Bumrah and Ishant. Hindsight is an amazing thing, I shudder to think how Indian fans would have reacted on Day 1 to see Thakur and Siraj in place of Bumrah and Ishant

Southee extracted the most swing of all NZ bowlers and he was easily the worst bowler from NZ in the 1st innings. Only Indian batting is to be blamed for not being able to measure up to the challenge. In the same vein, people are seriously underrating how well the NZ openers played in such conditions to negate the Indian bowling attack. Playing 2 Spinners is the most questionable move in these conditions .

 

[OMB]

The sun was out today and now it seems the rain is out too

 

[Ab Fan]

Just shake hands and close this game.