India-Pakistan All-Time ODI XI

[kron]

This made me lol

Yea lot of colourful language would be used. Poor inzi. He would be forced to lose weight.

 

[TheSultan]

Could say the same for atg india team. Don't see anyone getting into the atg odi 11 barring wasim and imran and saqlain.

Rest all will be indian players in an ATG india pak lineup

Agreed - and this is why it’s a bit of a pointless thread.

It’s a good laugh for some bantz, but that’s about it

 

[Unleashed]

Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Inzamam Ul Haq
Yuvraj Singh
MS Dhoni (WK) (C)
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Jasprit Bumrah
Saqlain Mushtaq

I think this is a nice and balanced XI that has a little bit of everything. I would have liked a speedster like Shoaib or perhaps a rocket opener like Sehwag but it's unnecessary when loaded with such talent.

Easily the best team on here.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yea lot of colourful language would be used. Poor inzi. He would be forced to lose weight.

Inzi was no wallflower. He walked slowly for singles towards the end of his career but the big man had strength and temper. It would be an interesting battle.

 

[big_gamer007]

I picked Shoaib Akhtar over Wasim Akram because i need Shoaib Akhtar’s X factor.

Besides, Wasim’s not needed anymore now that Shami has surpassed him in ODIs.

Shoaib Akhtar remains a differentiator.

What when did shami surpass Wasim?

 

[kron]

Inzi was no wallflower. He walked slowly for singles towards the end of his career but the big man had strength and temper. It would be an interesting battle.

Inzi was extremely talented but for me he under achieved for what he is actually capable of

 

[Bhaijaan]

What when did shami surpass Wasim?

2023 CWC

 

[kron]

What when did shami surpass Wasim?

Check wc average and you will get your answer.
Even overall career average is very similar.
Shami also plays in a much tougher era for bowlers.

 

[kron]

2023 CWC

If moron kohli played shami in semis then india win 2019 wc too. They would have finished nz and England. Also missed dhawan bhai

 

[RexRex]

1. Saeed Anwar
2. Rohit Sharma
3. Kohli
4. Inzi
5. Imran
6. MS Dhoni
7. Kapil
8. Afridi
9. Wasim Akram
10. Saqlain Mushtaq
11. Bumrah

Bench
Waqar, Shami, Yuvraj, Miandad

You should have included Tendulkar, his gentle off-spinners could've been very handy.

 

[Buffet]

Shoaib cried when Sachin and Sehwag spanked him all over like a cheap bongo drum and begged Wasim Akram to take him off the attack. He was basically cannon fodder for Viru.

Shoaib's entire career is a tale of wilting at the biggest stage. Pathetic bowler.

Isn't it better to ask to be taken out of atttack than keep getting thrashed?

Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Inzamam Ul Haq
Yuvraj Singh
MS Dhoni (WK) (C)
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Jasprit Bumrah
Saqlain Mushtaq

I think this is a nice and balanced XI that has a little bit of everything. I would have liked a speedster like Shoaib or perhaps a rocket opener like Sehwag but it's unnecessary when loaded with such talent.

Yes, it's close to best because it covers everything. Playing in pacers friendly conditions , you have Wasim, Bumrah, IK and Dev. Play in spin firndly conditions you still have Saqlain and Yuvraj. Saqlain was generally good in all conditions. Batting line up is really long and strong. Even Wasim could bat a bit so only two tails here.

I think having 3 world class all rounders makes the side very well balanced.

 

[jeetu]

1. Sachin
2. Rohit
3. Virat
4. Miandad
5. Yuvraj
6. Dhoni
7. Imran
8. Kapil
9. Wasim
10. Saqlain
11. Waqar

Babar , Bumrah , Shami and Shaheen are good contender to replace some players by the time their career is done.

 

[shaz619]

Some Indians are legit putting Kuldeep ahead of Saqlain and expect to be taken seriously.

Kuldeep is like the left arm spin version of Wasim Akram

 

[shaz619]

A lot of Idnians rate Saqlain highly because he made their god his bunny, but their god was just a mediocre player.

 

[uppercut]

Honestly with Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Qadir, Mushy and saqlain (at all their peaks) at your disposal, I don’t see how any Pakistani would want any other bowlers from any other country, forget India.

To answer that question ... Look no further than the 8-NOTHING record in big WC Matches vs India. None of your sooper phasth bowlers could win a single WC ODI match vs India.

Fun fact Venky Prasad has a better WC record than Waz and Waqar combined

 

[Hitman]

But that average of 23 across 4 WC cannot be swept under the carpet. Forget raising his game on the grandest stage, he consistently choked. If he had performed similar to his career average in WCs, I'd not call his 1992 performances fluke, but the evidence of his consistent choke is clear as day.

5 WC's.

 

[kingusama92]

Inzamam seems to be getting a bit of flak but I have included him in my XI.

Yes, the WC record is not up to par (barring his 92 excellence) nor was his fitness. But I do want to paint a picture for those wondering how this teletubbie of a batsman could ever make such an XI when there are other quality batsmen sitting out.

If we're getting prime Inzi, he was able to soak up the pressure well and could legitimately handle those middle overs better than most. His average went up in chases into the 40s, which would be devastating when surrounded by the likes of Kohli, Yuvi, and Dhoni in an XI. I think they would be able to chase down anything.

Sadly his general numbers do him a real disservice but I rate him higher than a Mohammad Yousuf even though the latter had "better numbers" than the big man.

He was also an excellent slips fielder which is a nice bonus.

 

[uppercut]

I understand and respect your deep feelings for pakistani players but I am afraid this is nothing more than putting a lipstick on a pig. It'll remain a pig.

Many, many players have fluked memorable performances in WCs. And frankly, credit to Inzamam he has that trophy. But that average of 23 across 4 WC cannot be swept under the carpet. Forget raising his game on the grandest stage, he consistently choked. If he had performed similar to his career average in WCs, I'd not call his 1992 performances fluke, but the evidence of his consistent choke is clear as day.

That avg further falls down to an avg of just 15.25 vs India in WC matches. Wait It gets better ... the strike rate is a sizling 50% ( 61 runs in 122 balls a total of 3 boundaries lol )

If I was Misbah I would be really upset at being labeled as a tuk-tuk player

 

[Hitman]

That avg further falls down to an avg of just 15.25 vs India in WC matches. Wait It gets better ... the strike rate is a sizling 50% ( 61 runs in 122 balls a total of 3 boundaries lol )

If I was Misbah I would be really upset at being labeled as a tuk-tuk player

LOL, there's a big reason why Pakistani fans of the 90's have such a deep rooted animosity towards Tendulkar.

 

[Bhaijaan]

People are hesitating in mentioning Azharuddin in the middle order because at some point it’s getting a bit embarrassing how many Bharatiyas are you going to put in that line up.


Ganguly, Azharuddin, Gambhir, Dhawan - Too much class and match winning ability and they all make a case for being selected in that middle order actually.

Just makes one wonder how blessed Bharat has been in batting especially in ODI Cricket

The parallel batting line up although inferior is still a very decent and capable batting up


Tendulkar - Dhawan
Sharma - Sehwag
Kohli - Gambhir
Azharuddin- Ganguly
Yuvraj - Dravid
Dhoni - A. Jadeja
Kapil - Pant

 

[Mohraheem]

Glad to see no one picked Misbah warnaaa they would’ve heard from me

 

[kron]

To answer that question ... Look no further than the 8-NOTHING record in big WC Matches vs India. None of your sooper phasth bowlers could win a single WC ODI match vs India.

Fun fact Venky Prasad has a better WC record than Waz and Waqar combined

Fun fact
Madan lal. Yes madan lal has a better world cup odi record than waqar Younis and wasim akram.

Yes.....spaz619 wonder how he feels.

 

[kron]

People are hesitating in mentioning Azharuddin in the middle order because at some point it’s getting a bit embarrassing how many Bharatiyas are you going to put in that line up.


Ganguly, Azharuddin, Gambhir, Dhawan - Too much class and match winning ability and they all make a case for being selected in that middle order actually.

Just makes one wonder how blessed Bharat has been in batting especially in ODI Cricket

The parallel batting line up although inferior is still a very decent and capable batting up


Tendulkar - Dhawan
Sharma - Sehwag
Kohli - Gambhir
Azharuddin- Ganguly
Yuvraj - Dravid
Dhoni - A. Jadeja
Kapil - Pant

And bowling too

 

[Ab Fan]

People are hesitating in mentioning Azharuddin in the middle order because at some point it’s getting a bit embarrassing how many Bharatiyas are you going to put in that line up.


Ganguly, Azharuddin, Gambhir, Dhawan - Too much class and match winning ability and they all make a case for being selected in that middle order actually.

Just makes one wonder how blessed Bharat has been in batting especially in ODI Cricket

The parallel batting line up although inferior is still a very decent and capable batting up


Tendulkar - Dhawan
Sharma - Sehwag
Kohli - Gambhir
Azharuddin- Ganguly
Yuvraj - Dravid
Dhoni - A. Jadeja
Kapil - Pant

Suresh Raina and Irfan Pathan should be included.

2nd team batting :-

Sehwag
Dhawan
Gambhir
Azharuddin ( Ganguly in 1st XI)
Dravid(wkt)
Raina
Pathan
Bhuvi
Harbhajan
Kuldeep
Srinath


3rd team batting :-

Sidhu
Gill
M Amarnath(c)
A Jadeja
KL Rahul(wkt)
Pandya
R Jadeja
Agarkar
Ashwin
Siraj
V Prasad

 

[RexRex]

Suresh Raina and Irfan Pathan should be included.

2nd team batting :-

Sehwag
Dhawan
Gambhir
Azharuddin ( Ganguly in 1st XI)
Dravid(wkt)
Raina
Pathan
Bhuvi
Harbhajan
Kuldeep
Srinath


3rd team batting :-

Sidhu
Gill
M Amarnath(c)
A Jadeja
KL Rahul(wkt)
Pandya
R Jadeja
Agarkar
Ashwin
Siraj
V Prasad

No matchfixers please, Azharrudin's record should be wiped from the books.

 

[uppercut]

LOL, there's a big reason why Pakistani fans of the 90's have such a deep rooted animosity towards Tendulkar.

Inzi's WC stories are truly legendary.... I remember that he lost a lot of weight as part of his preparation for the 2003 WC since he was Out of form.

That made no difference because he scored a grand total of 19 runs in 6 matches including a golden duck and a silver duck and was run out calling for quick single in the match against us. To insult to injury Tendulkar made that many runs in less than 2 overs later that day lol

In hindsight Inzi should have gone with his tried and trusted diet plan that includes Aloo's parathas etc

 

[RexRex]

^ Inzi was the original motabhai until Amit Shah came along and dazzled us with his potbelly.

Let's be honest though .. Inzamam is basically remembered for that one innings vs NZ in WC 1992 semi. I can't remember any other knock of his that made me go 'Wow.

 

[Mainul]

I just laughed at some posts of Gen G. They didn't watch 80s and 90s cricket. So their balance shifted to post 2010 cricketers with an imbalance. Just i want to point it out that Bumrah will feel lucky to tie the shoelaces of Waqar Younis.

 

[Mainul]

Inzi's WC stories are truly legendary.... I remember that he lost a lot of weight as part of his preparation for the 2003 WC since he was Out of form.

That made no difference because he scored a grand total of 19 runs in 6 matches including a golden duck and a silver duck and was run out calling for quick single in the match against us. To insult to injury Tendulkar made that many runs in less than 2 overs later that day lol

In hindsight Inzi should have gone with his tried and trusted diet plan that includes Aloo's parathas etc

When you try to loose weight as a batsman,with that weight you succeeded,you shall loose everything. Nasir Jamshed was a true example.

 

[RexRex]

Just i want to point it out that Bumrah will feel lucky to tie the shoelaces of Waqar Younis.

Waqar would've been Bumrah's waterboy if he played in this era.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Fun fact Venky Prasad has a better WC record than Waz and Waqar combined

How so? Please present actual facts.

Wasim has 55 wickets at 24 and Waqar 22 wickets at around 20.


Prasad has 17 wickets at 34.

Is this the sort of facts taught in India?

 

[KingLiton]

Rohit
Sewag
Kohli
Yuvraj
Raina
Ms. Dhoni
Pandya
Afridi (captain)
Wasim
Akhtar
Bumrah

 

[RexRex]

What would be a good alltime non-IndoPak XI to challenge this IndoPak XI ?

 

[Rana]

1. Sehwag
2. Tendulkar
3. Kohli
4. Inzimam
5. Yuvraj
6. Razzaq
7. Dhoni (wk)
8. Afridi
9. Wasim
10. Bumrah
11. Saqlain


12. Saeed Anwar
13. Rahul Dravid
14. Shoaib Akhtar
15. Ravi Ashwin

 

[sweep_shot]

What would be a good alltime non-IndoPak XI to challenge this IndoPak XI ?

Warner
Gilchrist (wk)
Viv Richards
Ponting (c)
Lara
Stokes
Jos Butler
Shaun Pollock
Vaas
Murali
McGrath.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Waqar would've been Bumrah's waterboy if he played in this era.

go check the stats of waqar first!

 

[nish_mate]

Rofl at the eejit who put in Warner,Buttler and Stokes in AT XI...

 

[sweep_shot]

Rofl at the eejit who put in Warner,Buttler and Stokes in AT XI...

Who do you want me to add instead? Chris Martin? George W Bush?

Stokes is an ATG. He belongs there.

 

[nish_mate]

You identify yourself as an eejit lol

Glad to know...

Hayden, Gordon Greenidge, Haynes, Gayle or Gibbs or even Bazman over Warner

ABDV over Buttler

Watson, Shakib, Carl hooper, Klusner or even Cronje

 

[TheSultan]

How so? Please present actual facts.

Wasim has 55 wickets at 24 and Waqar 22 wickets at around 20.


Prasad has 17 wickets at 34.

Is this the sort of facts taught in India?

Facts hurt feelings. Let them be

 

[uppercut]

How so? Please present actual facts.

Wasim has 55 wickets at 24 and Waqar 22 wickets at around 20.


Prasad has 17 wickets at 34.

Is this the sort of facts taught in India?

In Ind vs Pak WC ODI matches ...

 

[kron]

How so? Please present actual facts.

Wasim has 55 wickets at 24 and Waqar 22 wickets at around 20.


Prasad has 17 wickets at 34.

Is this the sort of facts taught in India?

He meant india pak matches

 

[uppercut]

To answer that question ... Look no further than the 8-NOTHING record in big WC Matches vs India. None of your sooper phasth bowlers could win a single WC ODI match vs India.

Fun fact Venky Prasad has a better WC record than Waz and Waqar combined

@TheSultan ... no response to that post?

 

[sweep_shot]

Waqar would've been Bumrah's waterboy if he played in this era.

LOL. Doesn't seem like you watched Waqar live.

Bumrah is playing in an era of T20 hacks. Easy pickings for Bumrah.

Had he played in 90's, he might have found things trickier.

 

[big_gamer007]

2023 CWC

Are Kallis, Sangakkara, Steve Smith better test batsman than Sachin?

Shami hasn’t even got half the wickets of Wasim, he has played only 100 ODI’s.

I’m all for trolling our Pakistani friends here on PP but Wasim is one of the few greats they have had and is an actual cricketing icon and not just a Pakistani icon. So trolling him isn’t in the best taste.

 

[big_gamer007]

Sachin
Rohit
Kohli
Inzi
Yuvraj
Dhoni
IK
Kapil
Wasim
Saqlain
Bumrah

Extras: Kumble, Yousuf, Sehwag, Waqar, Shami, Pant/Rahul/Dravid (keeping reserve).

Should be unbeatable in most conditions.

 

[uppercut]

LOL. Doesn't seem like you watched Waqar live.

One name - Ajay Jadeja !!

 

[Buffet]

Sachin
Rohit
Kohli
Inzi
Yuvraj
Dhoni
IK
Kapil
Wasim
Saqlain
Bumrah



Should be unbeatable in most conditions.

Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Inzamam Ul Haq
Yuvraj Singh
MS Dhoni (WK) (C)
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Jasprit Bumrah
Saqlain Mushtaq

I think this is a nice and balanced XI that has a little bit of everything.

Exact same XI, lol.
Even with so many posters, it rarely happens.
It's probably the strongest XI from Asia.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Are Kallis, Sangakkara, Steve Smith better test batsman than Sachin?

Shami hasn’t even got half the wickets of Wasim, he has played only 100 ODI’s.

I’m all for trolling our Pakistani friends here on PP but Wasim is one of the few greats they have had and is an actual cricketing icon and not just a Pakistani icon. So trolling him isn’t in the best taste.

I respect Wasim. He’s an all time great.

But, Shami has surpassed him in ODIs. His World Cup record is untouchable.

 

[big_gamer007]

I respect Wasim. He’s an all time great.

But, Shami has surpassed him in ODIs. His World Cup record is untouchable.

That’s your opinion and if that’s what you truly believe then you are entitled to have that opinion.

However, for most fans/pundits/experts and probably shami himself, he has a long, long way to go to be compared to Wasim.

 

[kron]

I respect Wasim. He’s an all time great.

But, Shami has surpassed him in ODIs. His World Cup record is untouchable.

Stats, record vs top teams and performance in wc all favour shami. But that's OK. Wasim is their best bowler. I understand how difficult it must be for them now that India has the bowling attack to rival their best.

Also madan lal has better WC record than waqar and I believe even wasim

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is about Idia-Pak ODI 11 and people are sharing the names of stokes, Buttler, etc.... Not reading the title of the thread I guess.

Back to the topic now.

Wasim, Bumrah, waqar in my 11
SRT, Saeed Anwar, Rohit Sharma, Kohli are the names that I would include.

 

[mominsaigol]

Inzi was extremely talented but for me he under achieved for what he is actually capable of

I agree on inzi, but people should not bash saeed Anwar on this thread.

I've watched Anwar play, Anwar post 2001 is trash, however I don't think people appreciate how ahead of his time he was.

Hitman amd sehwag are gun batter no doubt but saeed Anwar is in their class. He played in an extremely difficult era and this whole Anwar would have struggled against Bumrah is unfair.

Rohit even in his prime was a sitting duck if the bowler was seaming it. He was clueless against steyn in the infamous 1 of 19 score, and funny enough hitman had scored a double century a game prior to facing steyn so he wasn't out of form. Similarly shaheen had his number for a while and amir dismissed him easily in ct 2017.

Scoring multiple 200's was not possible in that era due to old pp rules and one ball making killer inswing unfair as well as longer boundaries and just lack of quality bats + ball tampering drama in general.

Anwar was a classy batsmen and a very very wristy player.

He's easily on par with rohit and sehwag and in that class, however Sachin and Prime Kphli are one class > Anwar I agree.

 

[TheSultan]

@TheSultan ... no response to that post?

brother @DeadlyVenom already addressed that which isn’t based on fact

give me something better to respond to

 

[Nikhil_cric]

^ Inzi was the original motabhai until Amit Shah came along and dazzled us with his potbelly.

Let's be honest though .. Inzamam is basically remembered for that one innings vs NZ in WC 1992 semi. I can't remember any other knock of his that made me go 'Wow.

Inzi is overrated big time as an overall batter but then who would play at #4 for this combined team? The other option is Azhar who was probably the better ODI batter by a slight margin but it's not that big.

Quality #4 batters have been rare in both India and PAK or at least they haven't played enough matches

Inzi gets that spot by default imo.

 

[TheSultan]

Stats, record vs top teams and performance in wc all favour shami. But that's OK. Wasim is their best bowler. I understand how difficult it must be for them now that India has the bowling attack to rival their best.

Also madan lal has better WC record than waqar and I believe even wasim

Yea alright mate, I’ll just put madan lal ahead of waqar and wasim.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

brother @DeadlyVenom already addressed that which isn’t based on fact

give me something better to respond to

We entered the twilight zone again. A couple of Indo Pak matches become "overall world cup record". I never knew Indians valued those games THAT much considering they say there is no rivalry too.

Suddenly Bilaterals become meaningless except when a certain batsman is discussed then 90s bilaterals also become the pinnacle of cricket.

 

[kron]

Yea alright mate, I’ll just put madan lal ahead of waqar and wasim.

Records show the discrepancy in odi world cups. Not saying madan is better obviously not.

But shami sure is

 

[mominsaigol]

Records show the discrepancy in odi world cups. Not saying madan is better obviously not.

But shami sure is

You guys underrate Waqar too much, His biggest crime is inconsistency and having a poor record at times whereas Bumrah has 90% of the time been consistent excluding ct 2017 final, WC 2023 final and a few other notable instances.

However waqar bowling at his best is > Bumrah, however Indian fans play it off by using the word ball tampering to explain certain deliveries even though it's never been proven.

Harbajan and Murli ironically have bigger cases and more evidence then Waqar Younis does, because with waqar it's pure speculation, whereas atleast with Harbajan I can clearly see the bend with his full sleeve cover up.

Don't get me wrong, I agree consistency is important and pakistani fans overblow this peak peak nonsense, for justifying inzi, or heck even amir, shaheen and other medicore players. Consistency is a massive factor, But it doesn't mean that we stop analysing absolute peaks altogether.

Just like Inzi's peak is nowhere near the peak of Viv Richards and Amir's peak is nowhere near the peak of Bumrah, We can't hide and speculate waqar's peak being a case of ball tampering. Even Shane Warne has more speculative evidence then waqar does and yet not a single soul blames him.

If it ain't proven then it ain't proven.

Bumrah > waqar 100% due to consistency and flare in 95% of his games however Waqar at absolute Peak > Bumrah.

 

[kron]

I agree on inzi, but people should not bash saeed Anwar on this thread.

I've watched Anwar play, Anwar post 2001 is trash, however I don't think people appreciate how ahead of his time he was.

Hitman amd sehwag are gun batter no doubt but saeed Anwar is in their class. He played in an extremely difficult era and this whole Anwar would have struggled against Bumrah is unfair.

Rohit even in his prime was a sitting duck if the bowler was seaming it. He was clueless against steyn in the infamous 1 of 19 score, and funny enough hitman had scored a double century a game prior to facing steyn so he wasn't out of form. Similarly shaheen had his number for a while and amir dismissed him easily in ct 2017.

Scoring multiple 200's was not possible in that era due to old pp rules and one ball making killer inswing unfair as well as longer boundaries and just lack of quality bats + ball tampering drama in general.

Anwar was a classy batsmen and a very very wristy player.

He's easily on par with rohit and sehwag and in that class, however Sachin and Prime Kphli are one class > Anwar I agree.

Yes I prefer hanif or Anwar over shewag. Shewag was not good vs swing. In odi.

Dhawan was clutch and he is underrated.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes I prefer hanif or Anwar over shewag. Shewag was not good vs swing. In odi.

Dhawan was clutch and he is underrated.

Dhawan falls below due to lack of consistency, he fizzled out very very quickly for india, compared to sehwag who fizzled only in 2012 at the end of his career.

 

[kron]

Dhawan falls below due to lack of consistency, he fizzled out very very quickly for india, compared to sehwag who fizzled only in 2012 at the end of his career.

Dhawan actually played really well for India. He was clutch in lot of ko games. He was so important for us. Only reason we lost in 2019 semis to nz was cause he dint play along with shami.

 

[TheSultan]

Records show the discrepancy in odi world cups. Not saying madan is better obviously not.

But shami sure is

You can use the same logic for your last statement.

Come on guys, we’ve entered the twilight zone many times in the last week. I’m dizzy

 

[Mainul]

Waqar would've been Bumrah's waterboy if he played in this era.

You r just not in a position to compare between the two. You only watched Bumrah not Eaqar. I have watched both in live action. Full career. Waqar is way above Bumrah in all aspects . Bumrah is a star of his generation. No doubt .Waqar would have dominated Bumrah and his generation easily had he played now.

 

[sweep_shot]

I just laughed at some posts of Gen G. They didn't watch 80s and 90s cricket. So their balance shifted to post 2010 cricketers with an imbalance. Just i want to point it out that Bumrah will feel lucky to tie the shoelaces of Waqar Younis.

Yes. It seems like they judge past players based on Cricinfo stats and current cricket metrics.

I saw one young Indian poster saying Abdul Razzaq was like Shivam Dube. LOL.

 

[batandballbattle]

Will add a test side as well

Test

Tendulkar (c)
Gavaskar
Kohli
Dravid
Younis Khan
Abbas (wk)
Imran Khan
Akram
Waqar
Akhtar
Kumble

Difficult to leave VVS out but had to have a WK and AR in the lower order

ODI

Tendulkar
Sehwag
Kohli
Inzi
Ganguly
Yuvi
Dhoni (c & wk)
Akram
Waqar
Akhtar
Saqqy

Pacers aee the same, but they equally shone in ODIs too

I don't take as much interest in the shortest form, so won't do a T20 side

 

[RexRex]

You r just not in a position to compare between the two. You only watched Bumrah not Eaqar. I have watched both in live action. Full career. Waqar is way above Bumrah in all aspects . Bumrah is a star of his generation. No doubt .Waqar would have dominated Bumrah and his generation easily had he played now.

I am a millenial .. which means I started watching cricket right about the time Waqar started his career. I know everything there is to know about him. Waqar was hyped up mostly by English journalists because of his performances in 1992 and 1996 Eng tours.

Jayasuriya used to club sixes off him for fun iirc.

 

[nish_mate]

Given it's India Pak All Time, I would include East Pakistan as well.

A few mentions that would get in the squad:

Shakib for AR slot in the XI, Fizz for reserve pacer, Ashraful as reserve opener and Liton as standby wk.

Mushfiq man in charge of tweeting.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You r just not in a position to compare between the two. You only watched Bumrah not Eaqar. I have watched both in live action. Full career. Waqar is way above Bumrah in all aspects . Bumrah is a star of his generation. No doubt .Waqar would have dominated Bumrah and his generation easily had he played now.

Why is it necessary to watch a player to compare him with the other, I haven’t watched Bradman play but I can easily say he is a better batsman than Liton Das? Its easy to say that with stats.

Similarly Waqars record against the best teams of his time is way inferior to Bumrahs record, why is it gard to judge, the only thing where Waqar is ahead as of now is longevity, Once Bumrah gets to 220 wkts even that would be a non factor considering legends like Holding, Garnee also have taken around 220-250 wkts

 

[kron]

Why is it necessary to watch a player to compare him with the other, I haven’t watched Bradman play but I can easily say he is a better batsman than Liton Das? Its easy to say that with stats.

Similarly Waqars record against the best teams of his time is way inferior to Bumrahs record, why is it gard to judge, the only thing where Waqar is ahead as of now is longevity, Once Bumrah gets to 220 wkts even that would be a non factor considering legends like Holding, Garnee also have taken around 220-250 wkts

I am sorry. Bumrah can retire now and he will still be ahead of every Asian bowler across all formats except wasim. He is well past waqar. Better than imran too in tests and there is no question about him being better than imran in odi. He is aeons ahead of shoaib.

 

[uppercut]

brother @DeadlyVenom already addressed that which isn’t based on fact

give me something better to respond to

So 8-0 is a meaningless achievement compared to winning hajmola/kitply/cola/pepsi trophies?


I wonder why those trophies have completely vanished from the cricket world.

We entered the twilight zone again. A couple of Indo Pak matches become "overall world cup record". I never knew Indians valued those games THAT much considering they say there is no rivalry too.

Suddenly Bilaterals become meaningless except when a certain batsman is discussed then 90s bilaterals also become the pinnacle of cricket.

Back again with the same old arguments?

here check this article on the 2003 WC Centurion match :
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/tendulkar-smacks-shoaib-around-419194

Here is the all important tidbit about that match: "This was a match Tendulkar said he was compelled to live a year in advance. Everywhere he went, people reminded him about the 1st of March, the fixture against Pakistan...."

Remind me which bilateral match in the past had that kind of a buildup

And you talk as though Pakistan has a clean-sweep record in bilateral series ( like the WC record )

Coping mechanism much ?

 

[Bhaijaan]

That’s your opinion and if that’s what you truly believe then you are entitled to have that opinion.

However, for most fans/pundits/experts and probably shami himself, he has a long, long way to go to be compared to Wasim.

Opinion?

Stats are not opinion.

 

[TheSultan]

Opinion?

Stats are not opinion.

The stat is a fact, the conclusion is an opinion.

Personally, I respect you for propping up Shami because he seems to go under the radar. He was definitely India’s best bowler in the 2023 wc by far.

However, he needs some trophies to put and defining final performances to start dethroning others.

 

[Buffet]

You r just not in a position to compare between the two. You only watched Bumrah not Eaqar. I have watched both in live action. Full career. Waqar is way above Bumrah in all aspects . Bumrah is a star of his generation. No doubt .Waqar would have dominated Bumrah and his generation easily had he played now.

I am in position to compare both because I saw entire career of Waqar. Waqar was comfortably below Bumrah due to not having many skills. Waqar's limited skills shows up below against good sides.

Good sides thrashed Waqar in general. You don't have to watch games, you can see his actual output against the top 5-6 sides. Mcgrath, Donald, Ambrose, Bishop, Walsh, Pollock, Wasim etc played at the same time. Now Waqar was very effective agaisnt the bottom 4 teams( NZ/SL/Zim/BD). Weaker sides found it hard to tackle his insinwing yorkers and that made Waqar's career.

Very few have watched Marshall but it's not hard to see why he is rated near the top in history as a pacer. Same way, you don't actually had to watch Waqar to see that he struggled agasint the top sides. Hardly 8-9 countries played test back then.

This is not even away performance. That was worse for Waqar. Waqar has a very good record at home and despite that he averages 29-29 combining home and away both.

I am not even going into non-cricket factor. There is very little evidence to suggest that Waqar would have dominated current generation.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The stat is a fact, the conclusion is an opinion.

Personally, I respect you for propping up Shami because he seems to go under the radar. He was definitely India’s best bowler in the 2023 wc by far.

However, he needs some trophies to put and defining final performances to start dethroning others.

We love Wasim bhai.

But truth is above all.
Shami has cemented his legacy as the GOAT ODI pacer

 

[RexRex]

I am in position to compare both because I saw entire career of Waqar. Waqar was comfortably below Bumrah due to not having many skills. Waqar's limited skills shows up below against good sides.

Good sides thrashed Waqar in general. You don't have to watch games, you can see his actual output against the top 5-6 sides. Mcgrath, Donald, Ambrose, Bishop, Walsh, Pollock, Wasim etc played at the same time. Now Waqar was very effective agaisnt the bottom 4 teams( NZ/SL/Zim/BD). Weaker sides found it hard to tackle his insinwing yorkers and that made Waqar's career.

Very few have watched Marshall but it's not hard to see why he is rated near the top in history as a pacer. Same way, you don't actually had to watch Waqar to see that he struggled agasint the top sides. Hardly 8-9 countries played test back then.

This is not even away performance. That was worse for Waqar. Waqar has a very good record at home and despite that he averages 29-29 combining home and away both.

I am not even going into non-cricket factor. There is very little evidence to suggest that Waqar would have dominated current generation.


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Wait a min .. even roly-poly Angus Fraser has a better average than Waqar on this chart; that's just sad.

 

[Buffet]

Wait a min .. even roly-poly Angus Fraser has a better average than Waqar on this chart; that's just sad.

Fraser was not a bad bowler but his career average is built by performance against declining WI in 90s.

 

[Mainul]

Yes. It seems like they judge past players based on Cricinfo stats and current cricket metrics.

I saw one young Indian poster saying Abdul Razzaq was like Shivam Dube. LOL.

That's the problem with this kind of thread. An all time XI can authentically be formed only by seniors who saw at least 3 generations of players playing.

 

[anikrc1]

That's the problem with this kind of thread. An all time XI can authentically be formed only by seniors who saw at least 3 generations of players playing.

So , after watching cricket for 3 generation you come to the conclusion that Waqar is better than Bumrah? Looks like watching less cricket gives a better understanding of it. Try it, May be.

 

[Local.Dada]

Rohit Sharma
Saeed Anwar
Virat Kohli
Sachin Tendulkar
Yuvraj Singh
Kapil Dev
MS Dhoni
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Bumrah/ Kumble/ Qadir- depending on pitch

12th man- Afridi