"India-Pakistan games in FTP are a $100-150m issue" : Najam Sethi

[MenInG]

Chairman PCB speaking to media at the NSK

"On this trip, we discussed three main points; First of all, how is the Sindh Gov going to handle the security arrangements including formulation of plan, SOPs have to be established and a demonstration given on this"

"Sindh Gov knows that this is a now or never moment for Karachi"

"If this match (PSL final) is held in Karachi, it would change the whole map of the situation and people will see that a city that was known as a dangerous place is very peaceful"

"We think stadium will be complete by 15th Feb (reconstruction), even if it is not then as long as its ready even by 15th March we are fine as final is on 25th March"

"I also met some sponsors to help our franchises so that they can be profitable"

"If due to some unforeseen circumstance, the final is not held in Karachi, then the plan B is to hold it in Lahore""There is no better game (match-up) than the India v Pakistan one"

"Its not a question of us being desperate but the India-Pakistan games in FTP are our right and we must fight for our rights, this is a $100-150m issue"

"India Pakistan games have happened and sometimes they have happened, this is not an issue of losing respect or anything like that"

"India (BCCI) want to hold the the Asia Cup in India but the Gov of India has not given them that permission"

"We would like the Emerging Nations Cup in Pakistan and that matter is pending, lets see what happens in the future"

"Dont make me say words like 'hijacked' etc when we talk of India's influence on the ICC...."

"There is no doubt that most big broadcasters and viewership is from India"

"All ICC members want to play with India as its lucrative"

"India's team is also one of the top teams so its not question of India hijacking the ICC; Everyone is fighting for their rights"

"India feel that since they contribute most to the ICC, they have a bigger say in matters but that is not the case; all ICC members are equal"

"I have an academic and business background"

"If I had said on the first day that we are in favour of T10 from the first day, then the way we got money out of T10 League people, maybe they would have not agreed"

"So we said to them, yes we will think about it, this is called 'playing hard to get'"

"It is only then that they decided to pay us, otherwise they wouldnt have given us a single penny"

"Initially they said we will give PCB $100k but because of our posturing we took that to $400k"

 

[Savak]

We are not begging, this is our right: PCB on Pak-India series

We are not begging, this is our right: PCB on Pak-India series

2 HOURS AGO BY AGENCIES

LAHORE: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Najam Sethi has said that it is unfair to say that Pakistan is begging to play with India as playing a series against India is Pakistan’s right.

Talking to media in Karachi, the chairman PCB said that India shouldn’t have signed the contract with Pakistan earlier if it didn’t want to play.

“There’s nothing bigger than India Pakistan matches,” he said when asked about why PCB is insisting on series against India despite India’s reluctance in playing with Pakistan.

“We are not begging, this is our right. This is our right to earn revenue from India series. There’s a contract with India and we want India to honor that, if they didn’t want to play then they shouldn’t have signed the contract,” he added.

He also said this perception isn’t correct that India has hijacked ICC and all members are equal in ICC.

“The fact is that India has financially strong position,” he said.

The chairman reiterated his commitment to hold PSL final in Karachi saying that the Sindh Government is fully cooperating with PCB and things are on right direction.

“Sindh Government is cooperating with us for PSL. They understand that this is now or never moment of Karachi. This is very important for Karachi to give the message that Karachi is also a peaceful city,” he said.

Sethi said that he had ad meetings with security officials and CM Sindh during his visit of Karachi

“Meetings were very fruitful. We discussed things related to security, which include making of plan, implementation of that plan and demonstration of SOPs,” he said.

“Foreign experts will review SOPs.” The chairman PCB added.

Najam Sethi further said that work at the Karachi stadium is in full swing and it should be completed by February 15, 2018.

“Even if it is not prepared by February 15, then deadline should be extended by March 15, because final is to be held on March 25. We will fulfill our promise of having the PSL final in Karachi,” he said but also revealed that ‘plan B’ for the PSL final is to have it in Lahore.

Link: https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...ng-this-is-our-right-pcb-on-pak-india-series/

 

[Savak]

Najam Sethi: All countries want to play against India to make money

Najam Sethi: All countries want to play against India to make money

The PCB chairman acknowledged that “broadcasters are from India, India has most money.”

PTI

24 DECEMBER, 2017 22:25 IST

KARACHI: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Najam Sethi has acknowledged that all countries want to play against India as it allows them to earn maximum revenue. Sethi disagreed with the notion that the Indian board tried to hold the International Cricket Council (ICC) hostage all the time.

“I don’t think we need to use such words like hostage. The fact is that broadcasters are from India, India has most money. Every ICC member wants to play India as this allows them to make money and India is a top team as well,” Sethi told reporters on Sunday. “India’s point of view or that what they think is that since they contribute most revenues to the ICC they should get more but for us all ICC members are equal.”

He said that the Asian Cricket Council had put on hold a decision regarding the venues for next year’s Asia Cup and Asian Emerging Nations Cup. “Asia Cup and Asia Emerging Nations Cup tournaments are matters which are pending and so let us see what happens now,” Sethi said.

The Emerging Nations Cup was earlier scheduled to be held in Pakistan next April. “There have always been ups and downs in Pakistan and India relations including cricket so it is nothing new,” he said.

‘It is a question of asking for our rights’

Sethi said it was a wrong impression that Pakistan was desperate to play India and insisted it was about asking for its due. “It is not a question of us falling over to get India to play with us. It is a question of asking for our rights. It is about USD 100 to 150 million dollars revenue and it is not right for us to leave it like that,” he said.

“There is nothing bigger than Pakistan and India matches. We are only asking them to fulfill their contractual obligation and if they could not adhere to it they should not have signed the MoU with us.”

The PCB chief said that the Indian board will have to get clearance from its government for hosting the Asia Cup and it was yet to be decided.

Sethi also defended the decision by the PCB to support the controversial T10 League held in Sharjah this month and allow players to appear in it. “I look at this way that it has earned us money. Initially, they were not willing to pay us anything but we got a substantial amount from them. My background is business and academic and when I negotiate I do everything which is to PCB’s advantage.”

Link: http://www.sportstarlive.com/cricke...ainst-india-to-make-money/article22271526.ece

 

[Proactive_]

What a shocker.

 

[mohan11]

Why they use word begging and in the same breath says we are not begging ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its not your right to make a dime from India or Indians.

The sense of entitlement is shocking.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Its not your right to make a dime from India or Indians.

The sense of entitlement is shocking.

I was wondering the same what 'Right' he meant by. Playing India is privilege and not right. If it was right then Im sure they would've thought about it in 90s when they were boycotting India. Now tables have turned and all of a sudden PCB thinks about their so called 'Rights'.
This dirty game of Boycotting a nation was started by PCB in 90s and now BCCI are just repaying them. #Karma

Well going by this logic, shouldnt BCB also have rights that they are invited to UAE and not blackmail them playing in Pakistan or this so called rights is only reserved for PCB?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I was wondering the same what 'Right' he meant by. Playing India is privilege and not right. If it was right then Im sure they would've thought about it in 90s when they were boycotting India. Now tables have turned and all of a sudden PCB thinks about their so called 'Rights'.
This dirty game of Boycotting a nation was started by PCB in 90s and now BCCI are just repaying them. #Karma

Well going by this logic, shouldnt BCB also have rights that they are invited to UAE and not blackmail them playing in Pakistan or this so called rights is only reserved for PCB?

Privilege? Pakistan has a better head to head record and the last time both team mets, India recorded the biggest lose in a final in cricketing history.

PCB's job as administrators is to bring in as much money as possible. Pakistan as a cricketing nation is used to not playing India and it will make no difference to it continuing to be a cricketing superpower. Most Pakistan fans find it funny India is scared to play us.

 

[rudra]

India havent signed any bilateral series contract in 2019-2023, previous contracts have already expired.
accept it, you are begging lol.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its about money and PCBs desperation to play India to earn money.Also some how PCB feels its entitled to earn money from Indians.

Cricketing superpower are not desperate to play someone to earn money

 

[KingKhanWC]

Its about money and PCBs desperation to play India to earn money.Also some how PCB feels its entitled to earn money from Indians.

Cricketing superpower are not desperate to play someone to earn money

Its the job of the PCB to make as much financial gains as they can. What else do you think the job of administrators is ?

The Pakistan cricket team and the fans don't care if India don't play us.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its the job of the PCB to make as much financial gains as they can. What else do you think the job of administrators is ?

The Pakistan cricket team and the fans don't care if India don't play us.

Pcbs job is to literally beg India for a series to earn money?

PCB runs Pakistan cricket and they are desperate to play India, thats what matters.

 

[navin]

If this is not begging then what is?

 

[navin]

Again I am reiterating myself, not a single penny would be given.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pcbs job is to literally beg India for a series to earn money?

PCB runs Pakistan cricket and they are desperate to play India, thats what matters.

It was India who agreed to play Pakistan and then got scared. PCB will try for a series because it brings in money but the team and fans don't care, its only India.

 

[Syed1]

Its not your right to make a dime from India or Indians.

The sense of entitlement is shocking.

Well Pakistanis benefited quite a bit from India on June 18th

 

[asfandyar]

Its about money and PCBs desperation to play India to earn money.Also some how PCB feels its entitled to earn money from BCCI.

Cricketing superpower are not desperate to play someone to earn money

Fixed. If you were talking about PCB in the post I previously quoted, you should use the term BCCI. PCB and Indians are not equivalent / comparable terms.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Well Pakistanis benefited quite a bit from India on June 18th

Well then shouldn’t that be satisfactory for PCB? Because this daily dosage of “India-Pakistan series” saga by Sethi is getting now annoying. You wont hear BCCI complaining about so called ‘Rights’ to play against Pakistan and/or money could’ve been made from Indo-Pak series.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Privilege? Pakistan has a better head to head record and the last time both team mets, India recorded the biggest lose in a final in cricketing history.

PCB's job as administrators is to bring in as much money as possible. Pakistan as a cricketing nation is used to not playing India and it will make no difference to it continuing to be a cricketing superpower. Most Pakistan fans find it funny India is scared to play us.

What has ‘Head to Head’ record got anything to do with PCB chairman claiming ‘Right’ to earn money from India.

Please enlighten me where exactly has it written that every countries have right to earn from Indian market, and also do tell me where was this so called rights when PCB were openly violating in 1990s?

So going by your logic Pakistan team with all those champions in their side were afraid of Team India who was borderline minnows in 90s when they boycotted us? Wow its good to know that Pakistan team were afraid of us despite being World Champs :

 

[KingKhanWC]

What has ‘Head to Head’ record got anything to do with PCB chairman claiming ‘Right’ to earn money from India.

Please enlighten me where exactly has it written that every countries have right to earn from Indian market, and also do tell me where was this so called rights when PCB were openly violating in 1990s?

So going by your logic Pakistan team with all those champions in their side were afraid of Team India who was borderline minnows in 90s when they boycotted us? Wow its good to know that Pakistan team were afraid of us despite being World Champs :

My point was historically India has been the minnow team against Pakistan. You're lucky we didn't play much in the 90's the head to head would have been an even bigger margin for Pakistan. Both teams were boycotting each other then, stop using arguments by other Indian posters on here which are not entirely true.


The difference here is India agreed to play a series but your government bottled it for some reason. Your PM can come over and hold hands with the Pakistani PM but you can't play a game of cricket? lol

 

[CanadianG00se]

My point was historically India has been the minnow team against Pakistan. You're lucky we didn't play much in the 90's the head to head would have been an even bigger margin for Pakistan. Both teams were boycotting each other then, stop using arguments by other Indian posters on here which are not entirely true.


The difference here is India agreed to play a series but your government bottled it for some reason. Your PM can come over and hold hands with the Pakistani PM but you can't play a game of cricket? lol

Yes we were lucky that we didnt play much in 1990s or else we would’ve got some phainty. Well, in 2010s the roles have been reversed, we are far stronger team despite one odd loss against you guys. So, luck factor evens out. Tbh i dont care if India-Pakistan games happens or not, cause already as an Indian fan im getting more than plenty games to follow plus 2months of IPL.

Lot of things in todays world are agreed only later to be called off. This things happens in life, no point crying foul. PCB should move on and try to be self reliant by tapping into their own market. When and If the series happens it will be a plus, if not Meh. PCB’s open admittance regarding their financial dependency on India series is making them weaker, as BCCI/GoI will use it to their advantage. Lets face it, we both knows this series isn’t happening anytime soon, so no point crying about it.

As far as Govt bottled it, well you must be grown enough to know, Govt policies often changes overnight, and last Govt tried to be ‘Pakistan Friendly’ and we all know how people of India dispose them in 2015 elections. Govt make policies based on mood of the people in order to maintain favourable environment. If Modi and his govt decides to continue bilateral relationship then perhaps his govt might face the same fate as Congress did.

Anyways, im not against series to happen, im one of those who is fine with if series happens and fine if it doesnt.

 

[giri26]

Well here we go again. Get this over with already. India is not going to play Pakistan unless they get permission from the government. This is not going to happen, so PCB should concentrate on filling their FTP with other cricketing nations.

 

[KhanNn]

So he played 'hard to get' to squeeze money out of the T10 league and now he's very proud about that?

Well people would have their guard up as to how to deal with the PCB..

A Nawazite is always good at squeezing money out of anyone

 

[Snak3eye5]

Well here we go again. Get this over with already. India is not going to play Pakistan unless they get permission from the government. This is not going to happen, so PCB should concentrate on filling their FTP with other cricketing nations.

As much as I'm going to miss seeing India and Pakistan playihg against each other as often as they used to which was entertaining like back in the 90's. I feel India has just moved on and these days they are content in playing amongst themselves through the Ipl.

What I foresee happening and time will tell is that since Ipl makes more money than all the Icc games combined , Ipl will expand to more states might take up a longer window like 7 to 8 months and India might opt out of playing test , t-20 and Odi's with other countries and might just take part in the odd World Cup or World tournaments and become an event, similar to what US does with its own Nfl and NBA leagues which are billion dollar domestic leagues. They might even opt out of having foreign players too. Not sure if that's really a big draw these days. As long as they have 1 billion people ready to watch and cheer their team/state on, broadcasters and corporations buying up advertising time, this is the only alternative. To sum up, I don't see Indian cricket playing against other countries happening in the near future...

 

[Napa]

As much as I'm going to miss seeing India and Pakistan playihg against each other as often as they used to which was entertaining like back in the 90's. I feel India has just moved on and these days they are content in playing amongst themselves through the Ipl.

What I foresee happening and time will tell is that since Ipl makes more money than all the Icc games combined , Ipl will expand to more states might take up a longer window like 7 to 8 months and India might opt out of playing test , t-20 and Odi's with other countries and might just take part in the odd World Cup or World tournaments and become an event, similar to what US does with its own Nfl and NBA leagues which are billion dollar domestic leagues. They might even opt out of having foreign players too. Not sure if that's really a big draw these days. As long as they have 1 billion people ready to watch and cheer their team/state on, broadcasters and corporations buying up advertising time, this is the only alternative. To sum up, I don't see Indian cricket playing against other countries happening in the near future...

Your basic error is the assumption that Indians and especially the Indian government view Pakistanis the same way as they view, for example Australians. There is no low-level war going on between India and Australia in which their soldiers are getting killed.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Sethi is not wrong tbh but he should know that it is not in BCCI's hands right? I mean look at it this way... if govt of India allows. BCCI's home rights are up for grabs in march, wouldn't BCCI earn bucketload more if they agree to play Pak? Even addition one home series in next FTP cycle could provide a big bump in that figure broadcasters will be willing to shell out.

So he's really barking the wrong tree. As for BCCI or ICC compensating them for not playing via money or points in league. Well someone should tell him that ICC only requires teams to play 6 other opponents and not all. So the expenses they are incurring over getting India fined are just a waste which could be used to improve domestic infrastructure.

 

[aniket1911]

"If I had said on the first day that we are in favour of T10 from the first day, then the way we got money out of T10 League people, maybe they would have not agreed"

"So we said to them, yes we will think about it, this is called 'playing hard to get'"

"It is only then that they decided to pay us, otherwise they wouldnt have given us a single penny"

"Initially they said we will give PCB $100k but because of our posturing we took that to $400k"

I don't know why but this just sounds so cringy. Why is PCB so impecunious that they resort to such underhanded way to extract money.

 

[USofA]

Yes we were lucky that we didnt play much in 1990s or else we would’ve got some phainty. Well, in 2010s the roles have been reversed, we are far stronger team despite one odd loss against you guys. So, luck factor evens out. Tbh i dont care if India-Pakistan games happens or not, cause already as an Indian fan im getting more than plenty games to follow plus 2months of IPL.

Lot of things in todays world are agreed only later to be called off. This things happens in life, no point crying foul. PCB should move on and try to be self reliant by tapping into their own market. When and If the series happens it will be a plus, if not Meh. PCB’s open admittance regarding their financial dependency on India series is making them weaker, as BCCI/GoI will use it to their advantage. Lets face it, we both knows this series isn’t happening anytime soon, so no point crying about it.

As far as Govt bottled it, well you must be grown enough to know, Govt policies often changes overnight, and last Govt tried to be ‘Pakistan Friendly’ and we all know how people of India dispose them in 2015 elections. Govt make policies based on mood of the people in order to maintain favourable environment. If Modi and his govt decides to continue bilateral relationship then perhaps his govt might face the same fate as Congress did.

Anyways, im not against series to happen, im one of those who is fine with if series happens and fine if it doesnt.

Good points. And a very fair post.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It was India who agreed to play Pakistan and then got scared. PCB will try for a series because it brings in money but the team and fans don't care, its only India.

Team is run by PCB and they care.Thats what matters.

Nobody is scared of the 7th ranked test team in the world and no one is scared by the 5th or 6th ranked ODI team either.Rather the pcb was told that they wont be making a dime of Indian market.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well Pakistanis benefited quite a bit from India on June 18th

We have big hearts.After 11-0 over 25yrs.....

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sethi is not wrong tbh but he should know that it is not in BCCI's hands right? I mean look at it this way... if govt of India allows. BCCI's home rights are up for grabs in march, wouldn't BCCI earn bucketload more if they agree to play Pak? Even addition one home series in next FTP cycle could provide a big bump in that figure broadcasters will be willing to shell out.

So he's really barking the wrong tree. As for BCCI or ICC compensating them for not playing via money or points in league. Well someone should tell him that ICC only requires teams to play 6 other opponents and not all. So the expenses they are incurring over getting India fined are just a waste which could be used to improve domestic infrastructure.

Actually you are wrong.BCCI's Tv rights are sold on per match basis.Last time it was $7mn per match.Ofcourse the matches will be a mix mainly top 6 countries as thats how BCCI plans it.So Pakistan or no Pakistan BCCI will make money.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Actually you are wrong.BCCI's Tv rights are sold on per match basis.Last time it was $7mn per match.Ofcourse the matches will be a mix mainly top 6 countries as thats how BCCI plans it.

That's not how it works. The per match figure is just derived out of dividing the total by FTP.

The Rupert Murdoch-owned STAR India has won the BCCI's Media Rights (covering Television, Internet and Mobile) for global territories, for the period July 2012 – March 2018.

STAR India bid Rs 3851 crore for the six-year period for 96 matches. It comes down to an average of around 40 crore per match. Multi Screen Media (Sony) were a close second with a bid of Rs 3700 crore.

Of course if series are added in between I am sure BCCI and broadcasters will work something out extra but when the bid happens in march it will be on the premise of the FTP and what BCCI promise them, and if India play Pakistan that certainly makes it more lucrative for broadcasters.

So Pakistan or no Pakistan BCCI will make money.

BCCI are making money, no one is disputing that. But India/BCCI/Broadcaster stand to earn a LOOOT more with Pakistan series in the FTP or a series outside of it than without it at all. Whether we should play them or not is another thing.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's not how it works. The per match figure is just derived out of dividing the total by FTP.

The Rupert Murdoch-owned STAR India has won the BCCI's Media Rights (covering Television, Internet and Mobile) for global territories, for the period July 2012 – March 2018.

STAR India bid Rs 3851 crore for the six-year period for 96 matches. It comes down to an average of around 40 crore per match. Multi Screen Media (Sony) were a close second with a bid of Rs 3700 crore.

Of course if series are added in between I am sure BCCI and broadcasters will work something out extra but when the bid happens in march it will be on the premise of the FTP and what BCCI promise them, and if India play Pakistan that certainly makes it more lucrative for broadcasters.




BCCI are making money, no one is disputing that. But India/BCCI/Broadcaster stand to earn a LOOOT more with Pakistan series in the FTP or a series outside of it than without it at all. Whether we should play them or not is another thing.

The bids were made on per match basis and not overall basis.



The BCCI's marketing committee had fixed a floor price of Rs 32.25-34 crore (per Test, one-day international and Twenty20). The bid price of Rs 32.25 crore a match was for 2012-14 (the remaining part of the cancelled contract with Nimbus Communications) and Rs 34 crore for 2015-18.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...How-Star-grabbed-BCCI-media-rights-years.html

Check the break up.


Bcci will make same money whether Pakistan tours or England.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

The bids were made on per match basis and not overall basis.



The BCCI's marketing committee had fixed a floor price of Rs 32.25-34 crore (per Test, one-day international and Twenty20). The bid price of Rs 32.25 crore a match was for 2012-14 (the remaining part of the cancelled contract with Nimbus Communications) and Rs 34 crore for 2015-18.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...How-Star-grabbed-BCCI-media-rights-years.html

Check the break up.


Bcci will make same money whether Pakistan tours or England.

That's how BCCI lists for the rights. But broadcasters make cumilative bid, so they bid for the whole season not just matches.

BCCI comes to that figure per match based on the tours lined up. So yes while BCCI gets same for a match whether Zimbabwe tours or England, but if BCCI has just 8 tours of Zimbabwe lined up in FTP, the per match fee will come falling down to pennies. That is what my point was.

If a Pakistan tour is added before the rights are up for grabs, you could well see the per match figure go up.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's how BCCI lists for the rights. But broadcasters make cumilative bid, so they bid for the whole season not just matches.

BCCI comes to that figure per match based on the tours lined up. So yes while BCCI gets same for a match whether Zimbabwe tours or England, but if BCCI has just 8 tours of Zimbabwe lined up in FTP, the per match fee will come falling down to pennies. That is what my point was.

If a Pakistan tour is added before the rights are up for grabs, you could well see the per match figure go up.

The bids have to be submitted on per match basis only thats the format.The total bid value is then calculated on basis of number of years and matches to be played and the bid per match.

Zimbabawe doesnt play in India much.As i said almost all tours to India are by top 6 countries.So pakistan tour wont matter as long as Bcci gets another top 5 team to tour.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

The bids have to be submitted on per match basis only thats the format.The total bid value is then calculated on basis of number of years and matches to be played and the bid per match.

Zimbabawe doesnt play in India much.As i said almost all tours to India are by top 6 countries.So pakistan tour wont matter as long as Bcci gets another top 5 team to tour.

Missing the point again.

BCCI gets more money than anybody else or everyone else put together combiend - ESTABLISHED!

BCCI stand to get more if Pakistan series is in the mix - Something you are not willing to accept but that won't change reality.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Missing the point again.

BCCI gets more money than anybody else or everyone else put together combiend - ESTABLISHED!

BCCI stand to get more if Pakistan series is in the mix - Something you are not willing to accept but that won't change reality.

Why will bcci earn more if Pakistan is in the mix?Bcci will earn the same as long as a top team is touring.

 

[UN talkz]

Why will bcci earn more if Pakistan is in the mix?Bcci will earn the same as long as a top team is touring.

Yes they will earn more if Pak tours India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes they will earn more if Pak tours India.

Exactly how when the bcci tender format asks the price to be put on per match basis over x number of years.So when contract is done BCCI will get the same per match price so it doesnot matter if australia tours or SA or Pakistan.

I understand that this misconception have arisen due to the fact that pcb makes money due to India tours.PCB contract says specifically that 90mn of the 150mn tv contract will be paid only if India tours.

 

[Savak]

BCCI needs to compensate the PCB for the Pakistani home series in Pakistan and on neutral territory which they refused to honor when govt permission was not as issue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI needs to compensate the PCB for the Pakistani home series in Pakistan and on neutral territory which they refused to honor when govt permission was not as issue.

When did this happen?When did the govt grant permission and bcci didnot play?

 

[rashmin]

BCCI needs to compensate the PCB for the Pakistani home series in Pakistan and on neutral territory which they refused to honor when govt permission was not as issue.

Okay, we will request BCCI to pay PCB.

 

[waleed88]

Its fine BCCI don't wanna play us, but then pay us as per the MOU

 

[mohan11]

Its fine BCCI don't wanna play us, but then pay us as per the MOU

I hope they pay, 70-80 millions $ are pennies for BCCI.

And for your own benefit, I request you to read what is a an MOU.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Its fine BCCI don't wanna play us, but then pay us as per the MOU

Did PCB paid the fine for boycotting series in 90s?

 

[fitCricFan]

Would love to see an Indo-Pak series but it ain't happening any time soon. BCCI has come a long way since the 90's and being down and having played second or vene third fiddle to other boards has probably learnt its lessons well. With full support from CA/ECB and CSA it will be mighty tough for Mr. Sethi to get what he wants, more so because he does not have any legal footing. But of course we all know he is playing for the galleries.

It amusing that some posters keep referring to the MOU (or multiple MOU's) as if it was a contract between PCB and BCCI when it isn't even worth its weight in paper.

Wonder how long can PCB continue with this charade

 

[Kroll]

Sethi Sahib needs to realise that India are running scared and that Sarfraz may have been onto something. After the June 18 massacre, I can't see them queuing up to get annihilated this time.

 

[princeuk]

The BCCI totally duped PCB to get a vote during the big 3 and promised them that they would play each other but now is acting underhand when it comes to playing games them. BCCI have always been underhand and sneaky.

 

[Savak]

Did PCB paid the fine for boycotting series in 90s?

Govt permission remember

 

[CanadianG00se]

Govt permission remember

Same logic applies here then.

 

[giri26]

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. India vs Pakistan bilateral are not going to happen in the near future.

 

[daytrader]

Same logic applies here then.

Not really, the current GOI was elected after the MoU was signed and there is no clause in the MoU that specifies government permission

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Doesn't matter even if they were worth $500m Sethi, India can not bear to see their HTB heroes fail.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Not really, the current GOI was elected after the MoU was signed and there is no clause in the MoU that specifies government permission

If you read all the news in media, there is clear mentioned about “Subject to Govt approval”, and its totally irelevant if the Govt have changed in India.

 

[USofA]

By the way, is the resolution committee anywhere near giving a verdict? Just to put this thing to bed. It has dragged on and on and on.

 

[giri26]

By the way, is the resolution committee anywhere near giving a verdict? Just to put this thing to bed. It has dragged on and on and on.

It will keep dragging on. There will be no conclusion in the near future. Eventually both parties will move on.

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[CanadianG00se]

By the way, is the resolution committee anywhere near giving a verdict? Just to put this thing to bed. It has dragged on and on and on.

What exactly will ICC do even if for a second we assume they give their verdict in favour of PCB. Take away BCCI’s share and give it to PCB? If they do that, Supreme court will STOP all the major transfer of funds from India to ICC. Im sure we both knows who will lose more in the end. ICC( Sashank Manohar) had recently gave a statement that case is too weak against BCCI, and later PCB alleged him for being biased(LOL).

 

[CanadianG00se]

Not really, the current GOI was elected after the MoU was signed and there is no clause in the MoU that specifies government permission

Here read this, its clearly mentioned that for series to take place(MOU) BCCI needs govt permission.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/19330752/playing-pakistan-depends-government-bcci

 

[USofA]

What exactly will ICC do even if for a second we assume they give their verdict in favour of PCB. Take away BCCI’s share and give it to PCB? If they do that, Supreme court will STOP all the major transfer of funds from India to ICC. Im sure we both knows who will lose more in the end. ICC( Sashank Manohar) had recently gave a statement that case is too weak against BCCI, and later PCB alleged him for being biased(LOL).

There is no question the PCB had a very weak case. They are going to lose this. The resolution committee should hurry up and settle this thing so everyone can move on.

 

[daytrader]

Here read this, its clearly mentioned that for series to take place(MOU) BCCI needs govt permission.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/19330752/playing-pakistan-depends-government-bcci

Bro this is a news story that is 3 years after the MoU was signed. It only proves that for 3 years the BCCI did not approach GOI on the issue and was just using 'government permission' as a delaying tactic. It was only when **** hit the fan that they thought ok now we need the government to tell us no for us to back out of our commitment

 

[daytrader]

If you read all the news in media, there is clear mentioned about “Subject to Govt approval”, and its totally irelevant if the Govt have changed in India.

Why rely on news when we can read the MoU

 

[CanadianG00se]

Bro this is a news story that is 3 years after the MoU was signed. It only proves that for 3 years the BCCI did not approach GOI on the issue and was just using 'government permission' as a delaying tactic. It was only when **** hit the fan that they thought ok now we need the government to tell us no for us to back out of our commitment

What makes you think they never approached the Govt before? Only reason they came out in open was PCB claiming that BCCI is not fullfilling their end of bargain. They just reminding PCB that its not in their hands.

Believe me BCCI would love to have a series where they could milk a fortune, but its not in their control.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Why rely on news when we can read the MoU

Same ‘MoU’ that was signed on plain peice of paper with No letterhead? Do you really believe that piece of document hold any weight in court of law?

 

[daytrader]

Same ‘MoU’ that was signed on plain peice of paper with No letterhead? Do you really believe that piece of document hold any weight in court of law?

If it was on a letter head it would indicate it was written as a letter and would therefore only be signed by one party that wrote the letter. Two party agreement are not written on a letter head of one party

 

[waleed88]

Did PCB paid the fine for boycotting series in 90s?

I think we have played man subsequent series's after that. Not just bilaterals, but test matches, sharjah cups, and VB series, if there was any compensation, more cricket probably made millions on top of that.

 

[waleed88]

I hope they pay, 70-80 millions $ are pennies for BCCI.

And for your own benefit, I request you to read what is a an MOU.

If its hurting your sentiment, or you feel PCB is defaming your board for no reason, just sue them in criminal court what is stopping them? Just stop playing the victim card, it doesn't suit the stature of the biggest cricketing board of the world.

The victim mentality is similar to what America is saying the world is wrong when they voted in favor of Palestine.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bro this is a news story that is 3 years after the MoU was signed. It only proves that for 3 years the BCCI did not approach GOI on the issue and was just using 'government permission' as a delaying tactic. It was only when **** hit the fan that they thought ok now we need the government to tell us no for us to back out of our commitment

Google and you will see that govt has denied permission since 2008.


https://m.rediff.com/cricket/2008/dec/18india-tour-of-pakistan-called-off.htm

 

[Mp812]

What has ‘Head to Head’ record got anything to do with PCB chairman claiming ‘Right’ to earn money from India.

Please enlighten me where exactly has it written that every countries have right to earn from Indian market, and also do tell me where was this so called rights when PCB were openly violating in 1990s?

So going by your logic Pakistan team with all those champions in their side were afraid of Team India who was borderline minnows in 90s when they boycotted us? Wow its good to know that Pakistan team were afraid of us despite being World Champs :

Ground rule = if India does something it is due to fear or x y z reason where bcc is villian. if Pakistan does same thing it always has some valid justification and heroic. If everything fails bring head 2 head into equation but ignore everything

 

[Savak]

Google and you will see that govt has denied permission since 2008.


https://m.rediff.com/cricket/2008/dec/18india-tour-of-pakistan-called-off.htm

I find it hilarious how Indian Govt permission becomes an issue whenever India has to tour Pakistan or play Pakistan on a neutral venue for Pakistani Home Series but does not become an issue whenever Pakistan plays India in India or in the ODI WC, T-20 WC, Asia Cup e.t.c.

I bet if Pakistan were to come to tour India for an Indian home series tomorrow the Indian govt will magically grant permission for Cricket b/w India and Pakistan again.

 

[big_gamer007]

I find it hilarious how Indian Govt permission becomes an issue whenever India has to tour Pakistan or play Pakistan on a neutral venue for Pakistani Home Series but does not become an issue whenever Pakistan plays India in India or in the ODI WC, T-20 WC, Asia Cup e.t.c.

I bet if Pakistan were to come to tour India for an Indian home series tomorrow the Indian govt will magically grant permission for Cricket b/w India and Pakistan again.

Do you live in Pakistan? In India cricket is much more than just a game the political ramifications for BJP whose entire perception is based on taking a hard stance against Pakistan will be too much.. Why would BJP want to face embarrassment in media and from congress for a series against Pakistan?

If you live in Pakistan I would have thought you would know how politics work in sub continent.. If you live in west then is all politics and India v Pakistan series would not happen..

And No Indian government would not give permission for Pakistan team to visit India.. You have no clue about sentiments against Pakistan right now in Indian government and the countrymen as well if you think they will give permission..

 

[daytrader]

Google and you will see that govt has denied permission since 2008.


https://m.rediff.com/cricket/2008/dec/18india-tour-of-pakistan-called-off.htm

Pakistan has visited India after this. So this news is irrelevant and nothing to do with the current dispute

 

[Third_Umpire]

Much has been said about this topic, though it should have been resolved in a much simpler manner. It is shameless to see India's continued evasion to a resolution, and ICC's reluctance to be the enforcer.

Bottom line: Per a fair FTP plan, each country should play each other at some minimum frequency home and away. In a league of 10 teams (8 meaningful ones), you can't have lopsided schedules and especially ones where two teams don't play each other at all. Therefore, series between Pakistan and India needs to be inked as part of FTP.

Not playing Pakistan is India's problem. Whether's its because they don't want to, or want to but can't because their government doesn't allow, is nobody else's problem. Why should anyone else care what GOI thinks and wants? If the BCCI is unable to get them onboard, and therefore unable to play, then forfeiture of the series and associated points along with any fees/media rights is the only reasonable outcome. Why should anyone other than India have to pay for their internal dysfunction?

If you want to mix sports and politics, go right ahead but be honorable in your stance and be accountable for your choices.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Much has been said about this topic, though it should have been resolved in a much simpler manner. It is shameless to see India's continued evasion to a resolution, and ICC's reluctance to be the enforcer.

Bottom line: Per a fair FTP plan, each country should play each other at some minimum frequency home and away. In a league of 10 teams (8 meaningful ones), you can't have lopsided schedules and especially ones where two teams don't play each other at all. Therefore, series between Pakistan and India needs to be inked as part of FTP.

Not playing Pakistan is India's problem. Whether's its because they don't want to, or want to but can't because their government doesn't allow, is nobody else's problem. Why should anyone else care what GOI thinks and wants? If the BCCI is unable to get them onboard, and therefore unable to play, then forfeiture of the series and associated points along with any fees/media rights is the only reasonable outcome. Why should anyone other than India have to pay for their internal dysfunction?

If you want to mix sports and politics, go right ahead but be honorable in your stance and be accountable for your choices.

Actually India is doing just fine not playing with Pakistan. They have busy calendar, plus BCCI doesn’t seemed to have lost a penny. The problems lies on the other side of the fence, where chairman of PCB is giving out statements on daily basis. BCCI doesnt need Pakistan series to make money, on the other hand can’t say the same about PCB.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Actually India is doing just fine not playing with Pakistan. They have busy calendar, plus BCCI doesn’t seemed to have lost a penny. The problems lies on the other side of the fence, where chairman of PCB is giving out statements on daily basis. BCCI doesnt need Pakistan series to make money, on the other hand can’t say the same about PCB.

I'm sure they are doing fine, and that's good for them. However that is not the point. The point is to keep the sport fair and equitable and that is much larger than who is making how much money. Two major teams never playing each other is nonsensical. What if tomorrow England decides they don't want to play South Africa at all, and refuses to schedule any series with them nor will they compensate in any other way? That would be problematic, as is this.

PCB has done a poor job of presenting their case just in terms of lost revenue, since that's the primary lens they are viewing all of this with. But the issue is much larger with more at stake than just money.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I'm sure they are doing fine, and that's good for them. However that is not the point. The point is to keep the sport fair and equitable and that is much larger than who is making how much money. Two major teams never playing each other is nonsensical. What if tomorrow England decides they don't want to play South Africa at all, and refuses to schedule any series with them nor will they compensate in any other way? That would be problematic, as is this.

PCB has done a poor job of presenting their case just in terms of lost revenue, since that's the primary lens they are viewing all of this with. But the issue is much larger with more at stake than just money.

I get your point, however sports have always been used for political gains. England did banned SA during apartheid era, and now ignoring Zimbabwe. So, to your original argument that countries should avoid mixing sports with politics is myth. Infact, Pakistan have been guilty of mixing sports with politics too.

World of sports is not as simple as you seem to potray it. Countries have always been using sports to gain upperhand in political environment be it Olympics or Cricket.

Lastly, lets face it PCB arent really trying to push for series for fans or goodness for the game, they only doing it cause they see $$$. PCB are perhaps struggling with finances and thus trying to push for series with India to recover the lost $$.

 

[Third_Umpire]

I get your point, however sports have always been used for political gains. England did banned SA during apartheid era, and now ignoring Zimbabwe. So, to your original argument that countries should avoid mixing sports with politics is myth. Infact, Pakistan have been guilty of mixing sports with politics too.

World of sports is not as simple as you seem to potray it. Countries have always been using sports to gain upperhand in political environment be it Olympics or Cricket.

Lastly, lets face it PCB arent really trying to push for series for fans or goodness for the game, they only doing it cause they see $$$. PCB are perhaps struggling with finances and thus trying to push for series with India to recover the lost $$.

Just because something has been done in the past, doesn't make it right. I would like to think we are evolving in a positive direction. Besides, comparing boycotting South Africa for apartheid is much different than boycotting Pakistan for political reasons. South Africa was unilaterally engaged in apartheid, whereas India-Pakistan is a *** for tat political issue.

Whatever PCB's reasons might be, and I'm sure they are financially driven as any business entity should be, the point still stands. PCB's motives don't render the point any less pertinent.

And as I mentioned, if India wants to stick to their stand, then so be it. Just pay up in terms of forfeited points and $$s.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan has visited India after this. So this news is irrelevant and nothing to do with the current dispute

The govt that allowed that small tour got a pasting in the media and parliament and has lost almost every election since then bar one.The current govt has said it a number of times that India wont play Pakistan in a bilateral series.Heck they even refused to allow Pakistani players for Kabbaddi leagues etc.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Much has been said about this topic, though it should have been resolved in a much simpler manner. It is shameless to see India's continued evasion to a resolution, and ICC's reluctance to be the enforcer.

Bottom line: Per a fair FTP plan, each country should play each other at some minimum frequency home and away. In a league of 10 teams (8 meaningful ones), you can't have lopsided schedules and especially ones where two teams don't play each other at all. Therefore, series between Pakistan and India needs to be inked as part of FTP.

Not playing Pakistan is India's problem. Whether's its because they don't want to, or want to but can't because their government doesn't allow, is nobody else's problem. Why should anyone else care what GOI thinks and wants? If the BCCI is unable to get them onboard, and therefore unable to play, then forfeiture of the series and associated points along with any fees/media rights is the only reasonable outcome. Why should anyone other than India have to pay for their internal dysfunction?

If you want to mix sports and politics, go right ahead but be honorable in your stance and be accountable for your choices.

There is no rule in ICC that says India must play Pakistan in a bilateral series and such a rule wont be brought in because PCB needs to get millions of dollars from Indian market.

England and Australia dont tour Zimbabwe.

Lets assume ICC says India must play Pakistan to be in the ICC ODI and Test league.India will simply withdraw from the league and play all its bilateral series outside the league.Will ICC find sponsors for such a league when its biggest market just walked away?Will other countrys hurt themselves so that PCB can get Biryani Money?

Pcb refused to sent team for the 1990 Asia cup and then refused to tour India in 1993 for political reasons.Bcci didnt start begging.

 

[navin]

“If Pakistan wins the case, India will have to give us the matches and for that purpose the FTP will be changed,” said Sethi. “And if we lose, the same FTP with some minor changes may go ahead.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1379026/pakistan-reserves-the-right-to-pull-out-of-asia-cup-next-year-sethi-warns-bcci


It seems that sethi's tone has started to change already as he know the outcome of his futile exercise to become a hero infront of his gulible audience, and he is leaving such bread crumbs behind so when it happens, he doesn't have to face wrath of it's media and people.

 

[USofA]

Just because something has been done in the past, doesn't make it right. I would like to think we are evolving in a positive direction. Besides, comparing boycotting South Africa for apartheid is much different than boycotting Pakistan for political reasons. South Africa was unilaterally engaged in apartheid, whereas India-Pakistan is a *** for tat political issue.

Whatever PCB's reasons might be, and I'm sure they are financially driven as any business entity should be, the point still stands. PCB's motives don't render the point any less pertinent.

And as I mentioned, if India wants to stick to their stand, then so be it. Just pay up in terms of forfeited points and $$s.

I agree on SA, but the ECB have been boycotting Zim for a while. They have not paid any compensation for it either.

Losing points and $$ has to be enforced by the enforcing authority, the ICC. But you will find Mr. Manohar hiding under his desk. Will the back boneless ICC do it?